| "The exposition is MEANT to be a little messy" Haha I can't believe people are writing this with a straight face. The exposition is Badly done and still is looking at the recent episode. There's only one episode left now. squirrvev said: wittykitt said: Oh really? Explain to me the wise one, how Rin is supposed to be a demi servant, with proper explanations. Note, it was already said in the post credits scene where a "proper master" is to be prepared but that doesn't mean anything. And no one even asked Rin about that lol, just like you are fine with everything. Hilarious, if tomorrow it's said that everyone is a servant and earth is flat, you wouldn't even blink an eye. >exposition is meant to be messy KnK exposition is also messy but it gathers itself carefully. Here? It doesn't even bother . The anime good points? Oh yeah it's there, the umu counter Oh and keep the intentional excuses coming, it will really help with the sales. You have a brain. Use it Good job with deflecting his argument. You've been attacking users by saying they're unwilling to use their brain but here you can't respond to his points. If you can use yours, then why don't you enlighten us and explain how Rin is supposed to be a demi servant? |
frenze12 said: squirrvev said: I had more important things to do and it was getting late in my timezone. I assumed episode 9 would reveal something crucial. Anyway, this is a virtual world. Everyone and everything is made of computer code. Enough ? Calling it just a virtual world is a terrible misunderstanding it is much more complicated (1000+ reality marbles and soul translation/dive/projection complicated) We never truly know the limits of the mooncell but appearently it cannot do time travelling where i "assume" that it can't do something on the level of true magic. Well but it basiclly is as the moon cells runs a simulation where everything happens aka in a digital space created by the supercomputer. |
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Burguburu said: why this Fate is so hated? I don't see why. There is no forced romance like Apocrypha, a cringe MC like Apocrypha and a lot of characters that is hard to follow like Apocrypha. Also there is no subplot that feels like a filler. Of course, this Fate/Extra have problems like the rushed battles (the first 3 episodes), some undeveloped characters and some unexplained things. Everybody saying that is confusing but the tone of mystery reminds me of the original Fate, unlike Apocrypha that feels like a generic anime and easily forgettable. Apocrypha was bad in nearly all the aspects. Finally, Saber is better than Ruler. After many bad/average animes of this season, my score for Fate/Extra is 6/10. That's like....your opinion man. I personally loved every single aspect of Apocrypha, and I've watched some episodes like 30 times. Also, I wanted to like Fate Extra, I really did, but all it seems to have are Nero as* shots... It's basically an insult to compare this to Apocrypha. |
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| There are many reasons that contribute to this show being hated, such as: people watching meme subs, bad action scenes, not so interesting characters (except Saber), badly set up mystery, not giving any answers or explaining anything for 8 weeks, it is hard to understand what is going on in the episodes, Shaft's style that many (Fate)fans are not used to. Show was also wrongly advertised imo, they said you don't need to play the game, but I think playing the game makes the show more enjoyable and easier to understand. There are many more reasons but these are the ones I could think of atm. Overall I think it is badly executed show in many aspects, but because it is a mystery show I'm willing to hold my final judgement until it ends since it can still make up for some of it's faults by the end. |
| Poor pacing, anticlamatic battles and storylines, and visually lackluster fight scenes(especially by Shaft standards). Overall I don't hate it and I've found joy watching LE, mainly thanks to Nero and Rin. Still its probably my least favorite fate anime so far and a disappointment. Things might be able to turn around a bit with the last 4 episodes(eps 11-13 are going to be broadcasted later on), but I'm not going to put anything on it. |
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| Here are the most likely possible for the disgustingly poor reception, and it could be any number of these. 1. People expected it to be an adaptation of Fate/Extra. They didn't realize that Kinoko Nasu write this wrote this as a new story based on Extra solely for the purposes of trying new fans in whilst most likely feeling that Extra wouldn't be good for adaptation. 2. It isn't animated by Ufotable. You know how some people are about that, even though this has the best visuals in the series, only being remotely rivaled by Zero and Heaven's Feel. 3. It is a very confusing puzzle thst pieces itself together regarding information about the main setting and main characters. I guess some people can't handle that and demand a more straightforward story? Given the convoluted world and lore for the Fate/Extra series (going based off Last Encore alone), if they told it to you more straightforwardly, which would result in many, many lengthy exposition dumps, it would be an absolute chore and would already be impossible to stomach all at once. This was one of my major problems with Mahouka. 4. They (erroneously) find the MC to be insanely bland. Yes, he is a reserved guy whose main aspect is his confusion and rage, by they is far more personality than say, Ritsuka from Fate/Grand Order First Order, and still more thank Sieg from Apocrypha has by the end. Also, the fights here are infinitely better than those of Apocrypha. Yeah the best of Apocrypha's fights would fit right in with this one, but none of the Last Encore fights are incomprehensible messes of disconnected shots and annoying motion blur like a large amount of the fights in Apocrypha, nor is the frame rate absolutely jank either like in that show. Plus, the fist fight here was way better than that appalling excuse for a fist fight in Apocrypha. Also, the character develop way more here and aren't as atrocious as 80% of the cast of Apocrypha. It's narrative, while convoluted, is coherent and not riddled with as many holes, errors, contradictions, and missed opportunities as that show either. Also, neither of those two are even remotely as bad as the UBW 2010 Movie, let alone Grand Order First Order, which he the worst in the franchise by far. |
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christiansen said: Like other people said, it's mostly viewers who didn't play the game the ones who are hating it. Why are they watching this show when this is a continuation of the game? Who knows, this is as dumb as people who start watching a season two without watching season one first. You just need to compare reactions from people who played the game (the ones who should be watching it) vs anime onlys (why are you even here?) to see how ridiculous this is. And apparently the show is "too confusing" or "too hard to follow" (Seriously? Do you multitask while watching it?), this already gives you a good idea of the kind of people who are hating Last Encore. Even people who haven't played the game but have a brain are able to understand what's going on (an anime only redditor wrote a great and accurate summary of the show so far on /r/anime). Why are anime-only people here? That is because Nasu himself said in his blog that he wants this show to be a starting point into the Extra universe for people who never played any of the extra games. |
christiansen said: Like other people said, it's mostly viewers who didn't play the game the ones who are hating it. Why are they watching this show when this is a continuation of the game? Who knows, this is as dumb as people who start watching a season two without watching season one first. You just need to compare reactions from people who played the game (the ones who should be watching it) vs anime onlys (why are you even here?) to see how ridiculous this is. And apparently the show is "too confusing" or "too hard to follow" (Seriously? Do you multitask while watching it?), this already gives you a good idea of the kind of people who are hating Last Encore. Even people who haven't played the game but have a brain are able to understand what's going on (an anime only redditor wrote a great and accurate summary of the show so far on /r/anime). Anime-only people are watching the show because it was NOT marketed as a show that required the viewer to have seen/read the source material for them to understand it. Now that it's almost over, it's pretty clear that it is was only meant for those that played the game, yes, but that doesn't excuse it's failings. |
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Wasshio said: 1. To be fair, this means that the lore of the series it is loosely advertising is convoluted by default if it is presenting the information in a way in which you can look at it and say that even if it was straightforward it would be hard to follow. You could make the argument that the atypical presentation of the information makes that even worse, but eh.CodeBlazeFate said: Here are the most likely possible for the disgustingly poor reception, and it could be any number of these. 1. People expected it to be an adaptation of Fate/Extra. They didn't realize that Kinoko Nasu write this wrote this as a new story based on Extra solely for the purposes of trying new fans in whilst most likely feeling that Extra wouldn't be good for adaptation. 2. It isn't animated by Ufotable. You know how some people are about that, even though this has the best visuals in the series, only being remotely rivaled by Zero and Heaven's Feel. 3. It is a very confusing puzzle thst pieces itself together regarding information about the main setting and main characters. I guess some people can't handle that and demand a more straightforward story? Given the convoluted world and lore for the Fate/Extra series (going based off Last Encore alone), if they told it to you more straightforwardly, which would result in many, many lengthy exposition dumps, it would be an absolute chore and would already be impossible to stomach all at once. This was one of my major problems with Mahouka. 4. They (erroneously) find the MC to be insanely bland. Yes, he is a reserved guy whose main aspect is his confusion and rage, by they is far more personality than say, Ritsuka from Fate/Grand Order First Order, and still more thank Sieg from Apocrypha has by the end. Also, the fights here are infinitely better than those of Apocrypha. Yeah the best of Apocrypha's fights would fit right in with this one, but none of the Last Encore fights are incomprehensible messes of disconnected shots and annoying motion blur like a large amount of the fights in Apocrypha, nor is the frame rate absolutely jank either like in that show. Plus, the fist fight here was way better than that appalling excuse for a fist fight in Apocrypha. Also, the character develop way more here and aren't as atrocious as 80% of the cast of Apocrypha. It's narrative, while convoluted, is coherent and not riddled with as many holes, errors, contradictions, and missed opportunities as that show either. Also, neither of those two are even remotely as bad as the UBW 2010 Movie, let alone Grand Order First Order, which he the worst in the franchise by far. If I could answer something for this (if you don't mind me), I can give a bit of an idea personally: 1. I don't have anything against the idea of Nasu trying to take this direction. I feel like it could have worked fine... until the series convolutes itself. This is by far one of the weakest or cheapest tactics to get me as a viewer invested to get or play the game. Instead, it only made me not want to go into it in the near future. 2. Not really me. I think the problem with this entire reason is more of a bias complaint for people that likes Ufotable. I mean granted I like them, but I don't mind anyone else doing the adaptions of Fate or anything. My problem comes from the fact that Shaft might have problems with their sources, and I believe a lot of them went on focusing on 3gatsu more than this. 3. I wouldn't have an issue if it was intentionally doing this for people to piece things together if they haven't left anything that might be stuff connected to the games. I seriously had to ask few people about certain stuff about the anime, and to this day the anime hasn't made that very transparent. That's one of my gripes with the anime. But my biggest gripe was the characters as they don't hold onto the series as much. 4. Hakuno to me is actually the best out of the series personally. He's actually the one that holds the show weight because I find the fact that he was built out of anger and negative so to speak interesting. Unlike Hakunon which the only thing she has is the fact that she's just there personally (now that I can see Hakunon as a character in the show, I never understood the reason why people wanted her to be there... aside from "assuming here btw" waifu baiting and yuri baiting. It would make the show worse for me). Overall I personally think Extra just falls right onto its face honestly. I think the concept and the idea is fine. My problem comes from some information being missing as well as the characters not being actually engaging to where it can deflect the writing as well. Hakuno is the only good thing I personally think the show holds up to since the entire mystery revolves around him. Even if I say this, and while I find his part interesting, the entire writing is just filled with mumbled folders being pieced together incoherently and it looks like such a mess in the end. I don't think Apocrypha is even that great, but despite the issues of the writing, you know what deflect that writing for me? The characters. They're not great, but they felt more lively and have something to stand on, despite some of them being killed relatively quickly, they hold something unlike Extra's. It doesn't help that the production when it comes to the fight scenes are just barebone slideshows. Its not even my main problem to be honest. The best episode for me when it comes to visuals would be episode 6 since it had a lot from the director's own specialty when it comes to these type of works... unfortunately it didn't helped much with the overall product. 2. TBH, there were no real animation or art issues aside from a few background faces looking like A-1 Pictures in episode 1. It moves just fine and it fan all be followed along perfectly, even if the action can occasionally feel slow and clunky. 3. I am not exactly sure if they had missed anything important (to be fair, it's dealing with world-building that was convoluted to begin with) but more so than being an intentional puzzle, it wasn't even remotely involving anything from the games in the first place, aside from the characters, background lore, and world-building mechanics. 4. Glad we agree that Hakuno is great. It definitely doesn't come off as that incoherent to me. It's convoluted, sure, but I don't think the information is the problem. If anything, it's the pacing that's the big issue, as characters sometimes perform things like learn about an opponent's location, offscreen, without any explanation as to how. TBH, I disagree heavily; the majority of the characters in Apocrypha were god awful. Apart from how 2-3 decent character dynamics (Reina and Jack, Semiramis and Shakespeare, and maybe Semiramis and Shiro Kotomine) were woefully undercooked due to the sheer lack of time for them to really come into their own, a majority of the characters were dry and dull at best (Astolfo, Chirion, Fiore and her brother, Karna, Siegfried) and intolerable at worst (Celenike, Atlanta). I think the only remotely decent characters (many of which could have been even better with more time) are: Sieg, Jeanne, Shakespeare, Semiramis, Jack, Reina, Shishigo, Mordred, and Vlad. That's roughly 1/3 of this 26 or so cast and I can't even call 1 of those 9 good, except Shakespeare; Shakespeare's the best. They weren't presented interestingly either, apart from maybe a few scenes. Contrast this with Last Encore. Looking at the sum of their parts, a fair amount of these characters might not seem to interesting (notably the floor 2 guys and floor 5 guys). However, through the show's magnificent presentation of these characters, incredibly lame characters become somewhat entertaining, and already interesting and even depressing characters such as Alice and Shinji suddenly become wonderful and chilling to the bone. Hakunon and Nero are also great examples of this in my opinion. Yeah, Wonderland was just...a new level of creative visuals, disturbing or not. Man, that was quite the treat to look at, even more so than the rest of the series. Also, to anyone who claims this requires knowledge from the games...what the actual shit?! Nasu himself said it was specifically designed for all audiences in mind, new and old. This doesn't require knowledge from Fate/Extra and can be watched standalone. It's just that it was written in a way in which how it played out caused mass confusion for newcomers and Fate/Extra fans (the fact that MAL and other sources erroneously call it an adaptation of the games and many viewers get suckered into that lie, made all parties involved even more confused than intended). Complain about the convoluted nature of the lore here (which aside from the characters and art style, is the only thing it has in relation to the games), but don't think for eve a second that this is a bad adaptation of something it isn't adapting in the first place. This isn't Dies Irae or Blazblue Alter Memory. |
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