Fate/Apocrypha Episode 19 Discussion

pillsburyXV said:
wait, wait... wait.

How or why could Fiore transfer the crest to Caules? Isn't it usually held by the head of the family and that person passes on all of that generational prowess to only one of his children, Wouldn't Darnic have been the one to hold the crest in the Yggdmilenia family?

SilentNox said:
Who thinks does Shakespeare has any combat abilities?

RadTicTacs said:


I'm pretty sure EMIYA was lying about that in F/SN so Rin didn't learn his name. His plan wouldn't have worked out if she knew (not that it worked anyways). That being said, Astolfo's master dying could still be why he forgot the name. For all his screen time, we've not really seen any of Astolfo's backstory, so that's hopefully coming up soon along with an explanation to his NP.

Dark_Kain said:


Actually it's quite possibly a reference to the "Orlando Furioso".
While Astolfo indeed has a book capable of negating any spell he (or the author) sort of forget this during the story: Astolfo used the book just once, shortly after receiving it, never ever mentioning its existence again for the rest of the epic poem.
It is a sort of well known "plot hole" in the original poem.

LeloTheUnamused said:


Ando answered about the choice Fiore made.
Talking about the technical aspect, the Yggdmillennia family is different, because is made of many families of magi who have their own crests, plus the LN stated that they had collected many others in a room for emergency. So Fiore had at least the Forvedge crest.

Confucius said:
So why was Astolfo wearing a skirt?

Astolfo’s clothes are based on his tastes—no, not his tastes; rather, he wore them in order to calm and appease Roland, who went mad after he was spurned by the woman he loved. The reason he had that appearance when he was summoned is probably because the Greater Grail decided that that was the point of “Astolfo’s heyday”. How cruel.

glassknuckles said:
So, Caules confronts Fiore about...not being cut out to be a mage? The decision is only to attack now or attack later, it's not a question of spilling blood since that's a foregone conclusion no matter what Fiore decides. It's not a consistent train of thought.

glassknuckles said:
So, the decision is to attack in three days...so there's no problem with the red faction being outside of their territory anymore? Okay...

Shayon said:

she isn't fit for spilling blood with her own hands, nor ordering the blood spilling if the situation demands it when they attack the hanging gardens, yet she is the leader of Yggdmillennia

Whgedia said:
So im guessing that in the VN the brothers have sex right? Cause if im not mistaken they transfer the magic circuit right?

Shayon said:

apocrypha is adapted from a light novel, not visual novel
and no

Whgedia said:
Wait what really?. I thought all fate was VN.
But anyway so what was tha?t, what they did there' didn´t she tranfer her magic circuit to her?

Shayon said:

Fiore transferred her magic crest to Caules, 80% of it to be exact. this is different from transferring mana, so no sex was involved

magic circuits and magic crests aren’t the same thing.
magic circuits are like nerves in the human body that allow someone to use magic, the number of magic circuits that someone has is determined at birth, and that number won’t ever change naturally, a normal person rarely has magic circuits, or they have very few

a magic crest, on the other hand, is a series of magic circuits that are passed down in mage families, they’re engraved somewhere on the mage’s body and act as an archive of magic.
each successor to the crest in a family adds some of their own magic circuits, and most or all of the spells they learned life to the crest, passing it down to the next successor, mages that have the crest can cast any spell that is recorded in it, even if they never learned that spell themselves.

normally, magic crests can only be given to someone blood related, and they’re transplanted to children little by little as they grow older and their bodies get used to the crest.
in the forvedge family, Caules was born as Fiore’s spare and his body was adjusted since birth so that the crest could be transplanted to him at any time if the situation required it, but transferring so much of the crest all at once was still dangerous, and clearly painful for him

Shayon said:
magic circuits and magic crests aren’t the same thing.
magic circuits are like nerves in the human body that allow someone to use magic, the number of magic circuits that someone has is determined at birth, and that number won’t ever change naturally, a normal person rarely has magic circuits, or they have very few

a magic crest, on the other hand, is a series of magic circuits that are passed down in mage families, they’re engraved somewhere on the mage’s body and act as an archive of magic.
each successor to the crest in a family adds some of their own magic circuits, and most or all of the spells they learned life to the crest, passing it down to the next successor, mages that have the crest can cast any spell that is recorded in it, even if they never learned that spell themselves.

normally, magic crests can only be given to someone blood related, and they’re transplanted to children little by little as they grow older and their bodies get used to the crest.
in the forvedge family, Caules was born as Fiore’s spare and his body was adjusted since birth so that the crest could be transplanted to him at any time if the situation required it, but transferring so much of the crest all at once was still dangerous, and clearly painful for him