One Piece Chapter 860 Discussion

ToG25thBaam said:
Jesus Christ that Katakuri design, I am looking at this page, thinking Toei will definitely screw up this scene, making Katakuri look like 16 yo teen with added vibrant color.

G_Spark233 said:
So many massive entrances!

Loving Katakuri's design. Dude definitely seems like the biggest threat to the plan.

tkrisz2 said:
Nice, the wedding ceremony starts next week, and I'm sure we'll finally see how their plan will work out.

This Katakuri looks badass. He could shoot sanji with a jellybean with ease, if Big Mom planned it like that.

I wonder how they are going to go according to plan, if there's someone with such a powerful haki.
By the way, where is Cracker? He's in coma, he will not try to fight again?

Galaxy__ said:


i doubt cracker will come back. it would make the whole luffy fight meaningless.

tkrisz2 said:


Yeah, I think so too. But sometimes I just find it really weird when someone who isn't the main opponent gets beaten, they're never dead, but we never see them fighting again, meanwhile if Luffy or someone gets seriously beaten up, they can get ready for the next fight in just hours.

Vongola said:
Getting to see Crocodile in the opening panel was nice lol

Pretty good chapter, I feel like this is going to be a really long arc for some reason.. just so many people in this one.

tkrisz2 said:



It has been confirmed that it's a shorter arc. It's going to end in a few months.

Isterio said:


Agreed with Katakuri. Best design since Kaido. Though. Who are those guys?
We know none of them and they probably won´t be interesting or important past this arc.

It showed some names. What do those names entail? Some assholes that controll the underworld or have important businesses we won´t ever get the details too. None of those assholes are important aside from their professions.
Their only purpose was to showcase the political power of Big Mom.
Although she isn´t royal. She achieved political power great enough to have other industrial or criminal leaders jump at her whim. But how did she get there? Through brute force.

What´s the purpose of this chapter? To me it comes off as if Oda desperately wants to pay homage to The Godfather, specifically the marriage scene, in the beginning, where it´s revealead that Don Corleone has power over politicians on Senator level and makes deals with global business tycoons.

Here´s the problem why this doesn´t work with Big Mom and turns into needless filler. Don Corleone was a charismatic, smart, family loving, composed, scheming, vengeful, survialist that went from rags to riches by following the biblical phylosophy of an eye for an eye. Half of those traits, we only learned about in his childhood flashback arc, in the secodn Movie. How does Oda intend, to squeeze in a whole backstory arc for Big Mom? Big Mom on the other hand is a boring giant baby, that throws temper tantrums whenever she doesn´t get what she wants, whose only talent is brute strength, which she achieved her power with. Nothing about her or her methods is smart or intriguing, or interesting.
She´s the equivalent of an evil, fat female version of Luffy.
But we already have that in Blackbeard aside from the female part. She´s getting more boring by the chapter, because we get repeated information we already knew about her.

3/5 chapter aside from Katakuri it did barely anything for me. The worldbuilding was there. The potential to do something with it is there. But how? And why? This isn´t a Novel to explore all those characters it´d take another 50 chapters of sidestory. Oda isn´t gonna do any of that. Pointless worldbuilding.

This is unnecessary. We knew she was controlling a fucking quarter of the New world! This the equivalent of controlling a an 8th of the Pacific Ocean and everything in it, if the Pacific Ocean was filled with islands, and kingdoms.
We also knew through the Jeff threat that her influence transcends the borders of the Grand line as a whole.

ashfrliebert said:
You're going to say..is that a Jojo reference?

ashfrliebert said:

Now, of course, that's because the arc was 100 chapters, but almost every little detail of the arc had relevance. Oda' track record with these sort of things is what he does best.

edit: except Rebecca maybe.. Rebecca development was kinda let down near the end there. But it's whatever.

ashfrliebert said:

This is a comic book, show don't tell. If you're gonna imply someone's importance, especially as one of the four strongest people in the world, you'd better damn deliver. This tea party has been built up since the end of Fishman Island, you can't hold back.

Isterio said:

First, you claim here how the Riku family was at the center of attention but later deny Rebecca´s development. What is it? If she was the center of attention why was her development a let down?

Yes, it´s true that he encorperated and "almost an entire block" But he also introduced 4 blocks with meaningless filler characters that had names given to them just to be oneshot. Like did you ever care about the guy that steals weapons or the jacket brothers?

And as far as the Strawhat Navy goes. We haven´t seen the role they´re supposed to play yet. He may just shove them to the sidelines and make all of them do something off screen. Currently all of them are nothing more than a named number.

Where is he going to give all of those guys a relevant role? If they´re going to follow over into the next arcs, when are they going to get their roles?
The Yonkou are supposed to be the focus of this arc. Will those guys play a subrole? I just think Oda bit more off than he could chew here.

One Piece has to end eventually

and to properly write those guys in detail he´d need a whole arc for

Except they just get glossed over, which defeats the purpose of introducing them in the first place.

tkrisz2 said:


Yeah, I think so too. But sometimes I just find it really weird when someone who isn't the main opponent gets beaten, they're never dead, but we never see them fighting again, meanwhile if Luffy or someone gets seriously beaten up, they can get ready for the next fight in just hours.

ashfrliebert said:

She was given a due amount of importance in the arc and the situation and was extremely important in the arc. She was the crux of the arc, Kyros was the crux of the arc and the story *progressed* with them. That alone makes them not useless characters. Maybe she wasn't the *best* of character and her development was disappointing, but Oda didn't introduce her and then make her completely sidelined throughout.

Rebecca is....an exception! Because uh...she was built a whole lot and given alot of focus and at the end managed to do absolutely nothing. I'll concede there, Oda kinda dropped the ball with Rebecca. But at the same time she wasn't introduced to be like..off-screened our something, she had a purpose in the arc one way or the other.

ashfrliebert said:

That was something like 40 characters. This here is five. This makes it much easier to not make them useless.

ashfrliebert said:

Well..if they aren't given even the remotest amount of focus through the entire series, I'll be sure to say I'm wrong. But..

ashfrliebert said:

Their defined characters with distinct personalities, he literally said "these guys will be a part of something big". They played significant roles in the very arc they were introduced, even.

ashfrliebert said:

This is Big Mom's tea party, they are underworld characters..they are already playing a subrole right now..to the main focus - Big Mom. A yonkou.

ashfrliebert said:

It took 61 volumes and 13 years for this series to even kick off it's ending stage. If that's any indication, eventually and "soon" aren't the same thing by Oda's logic

ashfrliebert said:

And again, considering the extreme length of this series, Oda has shown he is more than willing to do that.

ashfrliebert said:

Whether or not they are actually good characters remain to be seen, sure Oda has his fair share of bad ones. Helmeppo, Hody, Alvina, Cody(bad..uh maybe, doesn't really do much in the story, I liked that time Luffy punched him), Rebecca. But out of those only Helmeppo has been basically a background character. As Dressrosa show, an excess of characters can have negative effects, but if their a named character given due focus..their usually important in the story eventually.

Besides, this chapter serves enough purpose as build up for the tea party. Hey, if Oda drops the ball big time and their off-screened our something I'll be the first to say I'm wrong here, too.

Speaking of dropping the ball, Oda better make Sanji do something good. "The Year of Sanji failing miserably" has been sad.

TrashDax said:
These bounties are starting to get DBZ power level ridiculous.