I can´t be the only one who is sick of the new characters

Feb 26, 2017 2:37 PM

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What was the big idea when Toei thought to introduce Mei and Maicomon?
One functions as a plot device to keep the story going and the other is just her worthless partner that immediately after introduction becomes deep friends with the main cast although she´s depicted as a shy loner type and just met them.

This is one of the worst storytelling techniques in television. Introducing a new character in a show with an established beloved cast of characters and give them major screentime. Worst of all she´s a reactive character not a proactive one, therefore all her actions are motivated by others and not herself, making her a boring POS.

Every time Mei or Mei are on screen and they build up their worthless drama I cringed and wanted to skip ahead.

IsterioFeb 26, 2017 3:27 PM

Feb 26, 2017 6:48 PM

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I feel the same. I get they want to show us classic Taichi, Yamato, Mimi, etc and not ruin their characters...but for the most part their characterization is pretty good. They should have introduced new personal plots for the cast rather than a new plotpoint character for the cast to deal with. I think some of the more interesting conflicts they've introduced into this series are Taichi realizing with age that his actions have real world consequences, Mimi's egocentrism, etc. I wish we'd get more of that rather than seeing Mei and Meicoomon overcome their own problems...no one asked for that.

Actually, if Mei and Meicoomon were taken out of the equation and the situation was dealing with infected Digimon due to Himekawa trying to start a reboot I'd be fine with that. I think Himekawa and Nishijima are actually the better new characters they introduced because their roles don't overshadow the main cast's. Looking at things that way...Mei and Meicoomon seem pretty unnecessary.

Feb 27, 2017 9:23 AM

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Chanaynay said:
I feel the same. I get they want to show us classic Taichi, Yamato, Mimi, etc and not ruin their characters...but for the most part their characterization is pretty good. They should have introduced new personal plots for the cast rather than a new plotpoint character for the cast to deal with. I think some of the more interesting conflicts they've introduced into this series are Taichi realizing with age that his actions have real world consequences, Mimi's egocentrism, etc. I wish we'd get more of that rather than seeing Mei and Meicoomon overcome their own problems...no one asked for that.

Actually, if Mei and Meicoomon were taken out of the equation and the situation was dealing with infected Digimon due to Himekawa trying to start a reboot I'd be fine with that. I think Himekawa and Nishijima are actually the better new characters they introduced because their roles don't overshadow the main cast's. Looking at things that way...Mei and Meicoomon seem pretty unnecessary.

Not only that. they are build into the worlds lore gracefully and expand it´s worldbuilding while answering questions that were brought up by the original series.

Gennai mentioned that humans entered the digital world before because it couldn´t fix it´s problems by itself. Now we know who those kids were, not only that, but their partners are the ones who became the Sovereigns, a staple in the digimon lore. I think it´s dumb how they were introduced into Tamers since that supposedly takes place in a different universe and they shouldn´t be connected this loosely, but it kept me interested. I can only guess, but I think Mei and Meikomon were introduced to create some bullshit romcom plot. The only thing the director has worked on before, therefore they don´t really know what to do with them and use them to fill screentime. Honestly I´m angry at the decisionmaking of Toei since it´s made clear that they valued money over quality. I´d rather had one or two Movies with a condensed story without the characters going back and forth with their conflicts that persist each Movie just to be resolved by it´s end without any motivation. What pissed me off the most about the conflicts is that they never felt natural. They just stopped because the 3rd act came in and that´s when they had to wrap them up after going nowhere for 5/6 of the Movie.

Feb 27, 2017 11:20 AM

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I've known since the announcement that tri was going to have new characters, so I had expected them to be likeable and memorable. Thing is, I don't want to hate Meiko, but there's nothing about her that I really like, let alone care for. She's not really adding anything new or interesting to tri, and Meicoomon is frustrating to watch at times. If they were trying to go for a "DigiDestined not getting along with their Digimon", haven't they already done that in the past? If they were trying to go for "DigiDestined super protective of/secretive with their Digimon", haven't they also already done this in the past? I can tell that there's something going on in the background when it comes to Meiko's father, but there wasn't much focus on him, so we don't know what his role is two-thirds into the series.

Maki and Daigo I think are alright, but they could've been handled better, especially with this new revelation of their characters (if you want to call it that, since people have called this for a year). I'm thinking at this point, they should've been the only new characters. Meiko can technically be taken out of the equation and nothing would be different. Meicoomon's a plot device, but if you replace her with another Digimon (like an old ally or just someone else), it'd be the same.

I wonder if this is a problem because tri is a series of six films, and thus restricted to time limits. Not that a TV series wouldn't have suffered the same way, but it'd most likely be longer than something that'll equate to a 26-episode series.

Feb 27, 2017 12:37 PM

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Lil-Bird said:
I've known since the announcement that tri was going to have new characters, so I had expected them to be likeable and memorable. Thing is, I don't want to hate Meiko, but there's nothing about her that I really like, let alone care for. She's not really adding anything new or interesting to tri, and Meicoomon is frustrating to watch at times. If they were trying to go for a "DigiDestined not getting along with their Digimon", haven't they already done that in the past? If they were trying to go for "DigiDestined super protective of/secretive with their Digimon", haven't they also already done this in the past? I can tell that there's something going on in the background when it comes to Meiko's father, but there wasn't much focus on him, so we don't know what his role is two-thirds into the series.

Maki and Daigo I think are alright, but they could've been handled better, especially with this new revelation of their characters (if you want to call it that, since people have called this for a year). I'm thinking at this point, they should've been the only new characters. Meiko can technically be taken out of the equation and nothing would be different. Meicoomon's a plot device, but if you replace her with another Digimon (like an old ally or just someone else), it'd be the same.

I wonder if this is a problem because tri is a series of six films, and thus restricted to time limits. Not that a TV series wouldn't have suffered the same way, but it'd most likely be longer than something that'll equate to a 26-episode series.

Digimon was always a cheesy cartoon for kids. The conflicts were often world ending threats, that had to be resolved by young children because of their destined super powers only they received because special.
It borrowed everything even down to the designs from the mecha series it´s inspired by and added some pet & owner bonding that it extended by making the pets having a consciousness.

Which is perfect for the targeted audience. A basic concept with a basic but charming execution. A formula Toei kept recycling and experimenting with, for a decade, which sometimes worked out like Adventure 02 and bombed with Tamers because the commercial undertones were too obvious in that one. Then 15 years later they decided to reboot the franchise after it´s been 3 years in hibernation because of bad tv quotas and sales and instead of hiring the old writers and directors to further the original story or just give the kids from a decade ago some adventures with their childhood heros that they can enjoy possibly with their own kids by now. They waste 50% of the screentime on unineresting boring new characters.

Which mind you is the worst part of it, but not everything that´s bad. Than they go actively out of their way, to show us the crew bickering amongst each other and go through teenage angst for the other 40% of the story. And shoehorn the fanservice of everything people loved about the series as kids in the last 10 % of the Movie.

Like, Toei ask the kids twho watched season one that are now grown up what they liked about the show? Does none of them have their own kids?

This show is for no one besides it´s last 10 minutes each Movie where they finally give everyone what they want. It´s terrible for kids because it´s atrociously slow and boring. It´s terrible for the old fans because only the last bit of content each episode is giving them what they want and it´s terrible for teenagers who can identifiy with the teenage angst, but have to go through everything else which they either will find childish or poorly written.

It´s like mixing two foods that do not go together. Sweet and sour go surprisingly together, but you cannot mix sugar and spice and expect a good outcome. It´s not the Powerpuff girls.

IsterioFeb 28, 2017 11:00 AM

Feb 27, 2017 11:13 PM

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wow wow wow, rabid dissapointed fanboys. hold it right there. stop the hate train XD

eventhough i agree that the new addition to the chosen children (meiko and meicoomon) is not likeable, i am not gonna hate on them just yet. WHY ?

because they are the main plotpoints in these film franchise (like it or not,thats the fact) and we got 2 more films to go.

fine, things may not develop and just get worse by then, but we can never be sure. there are still lots of things to develop in the next 2 movies. and im still giving my hopes up .

lol thats just my opinion tho XD have fun

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Feb 28, 2017 4:14 AM

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Movies have good things and another things can be better but still are very good!

Feb 28, 2017 6:31 AM

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5 seconds of Meicoomon and I'm already sick of her (and her partner). Like, do you mind? I know you better get outta my face! Outta my face! Outta my face!

Feb 28, 2017 7:17 AM

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I already stated this on another post but if I was one of the tri writers I would take out Meiko & Meikuumon and include the 02 cast instead tbch. I just don't like Meiko & meikuumon (very shitty characters)

Feb 28, 2017 7:03 PM

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Sora-desuINA said:
i am not gonna hate on them just yet. WHY ?

because they are the main plotpoints in these film franchise (like it or not,thats the fact) and we got 2 more films to go.

That's kind of the point of this thread. People are "rabid disappointed fanboys" because they're the main plotpoints of this film series when this reboot should focus on the actual cast getting rebooted. Regardless of whether Meiko and Meicoomon get better over the next two films, their detraction from the original cast can't be undone. The ends don't always justify the means.

Feb 28, 2017 8:09 PM

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Chanaynay said:

Sora-desuINA said:
i am not gonna hate on them just yet. WHY ?

because they are the main plotpoints in these film franchise (like it or not,thats the fact) and we got 2 more films to go.

sure, i can live with that opinion of you guys :) why not XD ?

now, even if meiko on her own is kinda of an ass , meicoomon is a well-developed digimon in my opinion (really good digimon design and backstabbing background story) , and so with the dynamics between those 2 (meiko and meicoomon).. and at the end that makes up for it (for me, at least).

Now, eventhough this is a fanservice films to the OG of the digimon fanbase, i really have to disagree on this show should focus JUST on the original cast of digimon adventure. why ? because i believe that this film is made for exactly the purpose to give us what the original Digimon Adventure hasnt been able to give. thus you get the emotion-relationship dynamics between characters that this films has, new characters, non children aspects (edgy gennai) . adding a new character to a show doesnt make the new character bad, the execution of those new characters will determine the outcome (and yes, the execution of meiko is not that good) .

actually, i am very hyped for what more additional things this film franchise can offer to the digimon adventure universe/timeline.

then again, thats just me trying to give the other side of the debate here XD

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Mar 2, 2017 12:59 PM

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I'd take Meiko over Hikari, tbh. Since Hikari appeared in Adventure, she's either a plot device or a shipping bait for Takeru. By herself, Hikari does not have any personality; she's a blank slate. The gang accepted her immediately as well. Hikari didn't even interact that much with the others in Adventure other than Taichi and Takeru, and the trend continues even in Tri. I think the writers never know what to do with Hikari as a character.

In comparison, I see Meiko interacted with multiple characters and sees her being emotionally affected by things around her, and in this movie starts taking action. The other 7 kids and Meiko manage to do something in the movies where they are not the main focus. Hikari is neither active nor reactive so far (other than talking to Jo in the 2nd movie). She is just there existing, being passive most of the time.

I'm glad the next movie focuses on Hikari and Meiko because so far these two characters are probably the weakest characters among the cast, and seeing the next movie's poster made me hoping that they can give Meiko proper character development and make Hikari more interesting personality-wise (that is, coming from her internally instead weird dark event happening to her again).

Mar 8, 2017 12:25 PM

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Meikomon is absolutely terrible I hate her as a plot device because she is the very definition of clingy and insufferable. Meiko is absolutely a bad character, and useless to boot. I do not like either one of these two and the show would be so much better without them.

I hope the story focuses more on the first digidestines since those guys at least look to be somewhat interesting, unlike the two plot devices.

And so help me, Mei better not get with Tai...

Mar 12, 2017 7:28 PM

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I must admit, Meicoomon is carved from beginning to ending to be markeatable, that's pretty obvious. It was made to be the next big thing. I think it was included in this series solely to be it.

Remember Ryo and his partner whose name I can't even remember in Tamers? Same thing, I read his character profile on the main writer for Tamers and the writer was trying very hard to not say "I included this useless character that does nothing but stealing screen time because my bosses ordered me too".

It's the same thing here, except that we have this moeblob here instead, that I'm half-convinced that it's gonna be Tai's future wife because...because Meicoomon is a expy of Tailmon, the Digimon of his sister. I know, it's a little creepy, marrying someone who resembles your sister.....It's the same director of Date A Live(ok he didn't wrote it, but he may have liked the idea)....

So, I like it, I dislike it? There is a point? They eat screentime yes, but I saw much worse. That may make me not care as much as I should.

Mar 13, 2017 5:42 AM

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IDontWishToBe said:
I must admit, Meicoomon is carved from beginning to ending to be markeatable, that's pretty obvious. It was made to be the next big thing. I think it was included in this series solely to be it.

Remember Ryo and his partner whose name I can't even remember in Tamers? Same thing, I read his character profile on the main writer for Tamers and the writer was trying very hard to not say "I included this useless character that does nothing but stealing screen time because my bosses ordered me too".

It's the same thing here, except that we have this moeblob here instead, that I'm half-convinced that it's gonna be Tai's future wife because...because Meicoomon is a expy of Tailmon, the Digimon of his sister. I know, it's a little creepy, marrying someone who resembles your sister.....It's the same director of Date A Live(ok he didn't wrote it, but he may have liked the idea)....

So, I like it, I dislike it? There is a point? They eat screentime yes, but I saw much worse. That may make me not care as much as I should.

Well you bring up a few good points. Though I´ve gotta give Ryo the edge since he was an established character in the digimon games and Tamers was a sellout to begin with. Comeone buy our cards to be a tamer too? I mean by it´s end it had an interesting and compelling story, but it had lost me as an audience member at this point, therefore I cannot be as harsh to Ryo since he did serrve some form of purpose that didn´t involve solely sobbing and being sad over nonclonflicts. He was a reactive character. Ryo got shit done himself. It´s the difference between having a loaf of bread with a little bacon on it in the nix, compared to two loafs of bread that are constantly showed down your thorat with the occasional shitstain of rapist Genai.

Mar 13, 2017 11:27 AM

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Yes, Meicoomon is just another plot device just like Hikari was in the first Digimon Adventure and Meiko herself isn't even interesting to begin with. She feels like air. Even if Meicoomon was the only new character, aside from Himekawa and Sensei, to be introduced I don't think it would even affect the outcome of the anime greatly. She's just... there. Himekawa and Sensei were the only interesting pair added in the movies. It's especially sad that the new Digidestined and her Digimon turned out to be extremely boring because I just love how they dealt with the movies like Tai's realization of his actions having consequences in the real world, Mimi's egocentric personality and Jo's problems with his responsibilities and dealing with pressure, Sora's kindness, etc.

Aug 2, 2017 11:46 AM

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Agreed about Meiko and Meicoomon. I enjoy these movies overall, but was there really a need for these characters?

Aug 7, 2017 6:25 AM

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RedSwordHeart said:
Agreed about Meiko and Meicoomon. I enjoy these movies overall, but was there really a need for these characters?

if I was one of the writers, I would take out Meiko and Meikuumon and include the 02 kids instead

Aug 7, 2017 12:00 PM

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KingArti said:

RedSwordHeart said:
Agreed about Meiko and Meicoomon. I enjoy these movies overall, but was there really a need for these characters?

if I was one of the writers, I would take out Meiko and Meikuumon and include the 02 kids instead

Yes. At least we have something emotionally invested in them. All we saw of them was them apparently dying in the first episode, which has never been touched upon since.

Aug 7, 2017 12:02 PM

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RedSwordHeart said:

KingArti said:

if I was one of the writers, I would take out Meiko and Meikuumon and include the 02 kids instead

Yes. At least we have something emotionally invested in them. All we saw of them was them apparently dying in the first episode, which has never been touched upon since.

the 02 kids are NOT dead

Aug 7, 2017 12:07 PM

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KingArti said:

RedSwordHeart said:

Yes. At least we have something emotionally invested in them. All we saw of them was them apparently dying in the first episode, which has never been touched upon since.

the 02 kids are NOT dead

Well, that's what it looked like. I'd at least like to know what happened to them.

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