Seiren Episode 4 Discussion

Itachi_0893 said:
I really wanted some extra romance development without the necessity of time skipping.

furchia said:
what the heck is this? I mean, Hikari is good character, definitely better then Sae or Rikhoko from Amagami, Shoichi well he's not so bad anyway as well, but where is romance part? The last few seconds are 5+ years from the beginning so they are 22-23 now and they're still well good friends I guess. Not lovers. In Amagami Junichi began to date each girl at least on 3th year of studing (Rikhoko) ~18. In 23 he had child with Sae and maybe even with Tsukasa.
but here... it's well... I'm speechless. Good characters, good character designes, atmosphere of old amagami but poor script (many inappropriate ecchi moments) and zero romance. So 1st arc is 2,5-3/5 max. It doesn't deserve more. Will see what sempai and kohai girls will give us next.

SkyLETV said:
I liked it but, that's it? 5 years passed and what?

I really liked it Tusneki's design and personality but again, that's it?

Panaru said:
Overall though, I'm pretty let down by the conclusion of this arc. I really hope the other arcs have more satisfying endings, though they may not be able to top the underwater kiss.

polesp said:
Conclusion felt a bit rushed.

To dedicate your whole career on a whim just to stay close to someone, who went off to pursue their dream and to top it off join her old job as well while having no contact anymore whatsoever, felt quite stalker-ish and overly optimistic lol.

Then again MC was quite transparent, not like there was anything hinting that he had his own passions like Junichi did depending on the arc. But man 4 years past high school is a huge chunk of your life to be on standby waiting.

Rotted said:
Pretty terrible conclusion. They time-skip and dont even give a good ending, Not even a neutral ending since it seems they never talked and she didnt even seem to care he was there when she showed up.

SJ7izm said:
Terrible ending to an already disappointing arc. Hopefully the next two can clean up after this one.

Doomdoctor said:
Didn't expect the friendship route. I wonder if there will be a second season like Amagami to give some sort of a conclusion.

Rotted said:


Hinted well enough?

You must of watched a different episode than I did.

She cut off all contact while they were still in high school. She didnt talk to him for 5 years. She didnt even know he was working at that store. She didnt seem all that interested when she noticed it was even him.

Sure who really knows what "could" happen after that horrid ending but there was 0 hints that could lead anyone to believe anything good or even neutral would happen after being cut out of her life stone cold like what happened.

randomman57 said:


Honestly, the way they wrote this arc it would've been better as a full 12-cour series by itself. Their relationship was rushed, the friend drama was rushed, and so was the drama at the end.

Also, who the fuck forgives their friend so easily after the shit Yukie pulled on Hikari? Hikari just didn't care? Were they trying to imply that it didn't bother her because she was able to get close to Shouichi because of it? And then she goes on to friendzone him because of career goals. The writing in this episode was terrible and all over the place.

5/10 if I had to rate this series based on the first arc alone.

Rock_Gamiasedes said:
It was an utter disappointment. Just when you start to think that things are going to pick up pace the arc ends.
I don't understand why it was called an arc at the first place. The romance was actually crammed into last 10 minutes. It was shallow at best even then. They didn't confess at the first place. They didn't keep in touch despite having each others' contacts. They didn't remain friends let alone lovers.
After time skip they had another chance meeting where they are a little more than strangers. May be from then the arc should have started. This previous story was as useless as iphone front camera.

Overall if you were really excited about second coming of amagami and awesome character design of tsuneki...prepared to be utterly let down. And pray that other arcs are actually better scripted.

Ysad_Ziwezhan said:
The writing is so lame it's funny :
On the beach :
_ wind suddenly push the ball far in the sea in magical manner.
_ MC fall in the water in a totally calm see.
_ There's no wave ... except one big one to suddenly push Tsuneki in the water (indeed, how can we get into any romantic mood if we don't see her bra?)
_ Tsuneki chase our MC in 30 cm deep water.
_ next second Tsuneki kiss our MC in 70 cm deep water.

ah ah ah!

and finally, the "let stay friend" scenario with a pretty common "long separation" because hey! study and career are more important than love and you can't manage both, not even dating, never, ever!
Let's not forget that this show is for teenagers and parents don't want their kids to screw around before they get a proper job, which is more or less what the two MCs get as a conclusion. That's the message : first work hard then later you can fuck, and that's traditional Japanese thinking for you!

ah ah ah!

jbeat said:
I like tsuneki's personality and character design, so I hoped that this arc would be good. Sadly, I was left disappointed. I really wanted them to be an official couple but towards the ending got me disappointed. If I was the guy and had a summer romance fling with a girl and she became distant to me (doesn't want to at least give it a try with a relationship) and we haven't spoken for 5 years or more, I say it's time to move on. He was just lucky to be able to meet her in the end. In reality, chances are slim to none to meet someone you like again despite having no communication. That 5 years was a long time, I don't think you can start where you left off, especially when you left off not talking to each other in high school. Lol

Hoping next arc will have more romance and better script writing.

SJ7izm said:
It didn't even feel like she liked MC to be honest. Lol. Never has Amagami made me feel like the MC was just a nuisance to the other party. Never has Amagami made me feel like the two characters weren't genuinely in love with one another. It almost seems like Tsuneki just wanted to shake him off and get back to living her life, and this dude decided to follow her like a lonely dog. Tsuneki pretty much grew up without the MC.

Speaking of which, they both look exactly the same after 5-6 years passing.

Wintovisky said:
5 years have passed with cute girl in Spain. They never confessed feelings or even sent messages it seems. Yea, she totally didn't get into a relationship or find some cool guy, instead, she was just waiting to randomly find that "loser" again? I can't buy this fish.

Granted I watched it 3 years ago, one of my first anime, but Amagami is SO MUCH BETTER THAN THIS. Great main character, not bad dialogues and 4 of the 6 girls are pretty good.

loplop said:
What a major disappointment for a show that I want to like. It may be done by the same people that did Amagami, but definatly not the same quality of story and writing. We'll see what happens with the second arc.

Atavistic said:
Awful ending to this first arc. For a romance show, there was a complete and utter lack of romance in this route all the way to the very end, and the whole thing was just kinda dull in the end.

Hopefully the next arc can be better, but my expectations are very low after this arc.

curzon17 said:
Tsuneki was way more forgiving of Yukie than i would have been. Sure, she had no interest in Araki to begin with, but still, that's a selfish thing to do to your friend. All and all it was an alright story arc, but the ending was quite a disappointment. I'm supposed to believe after 1 more year in school and 4 years abroad in Spain, she still has any lingering feelings for that sad sack? They could have written it a bit better to make her feelings more discernible. Then i might have believed it.

Duckerz said:
I don't know what I feel about this Arc. It was nice that they ended it in a different way to the typical "Happy" ending, but it felt like something was missing from the ending to truly sign the arc off.

Also, i wasn't much of a fan of the Heroine in this arc if i'm honest, found her quite irritating at times, and although towards the end I started to enjoy her scenes a bit more, overall I felt she wasn't a very enjoyable character to watch. Lets hope for better from the next one!

MikanRobot said:
>five years in Spain

she ain't innocent anymore :(

notraven said:
That ending felt so out of place, as if they handed the last 10 minutes of writing off to the intern. The sudden shift in tone and drop in writing quality was almost jarring.

It's like the writers spent 1.5 hours building the perfect 5ft tall sand castle and then as you come running to see what all the fuss is about, they stomp it down, just to fuck with you.

Testament956 said:
Didnt really like this arc at all and they way it ended kind of solidified my disappointment. Hoping the next arc is better.

Skurd said:
This anime had so much potential but sent it all into the dumpster.

3 first episodes was good to me. Teaser girls are always fun. However the ending of this arc was terrible.

Why make an omnibus format if he is just getting friendzoned.

Maybe a better end would be ending with the kiss in the water and just left it open.

Stepch said:


But, this is romance anime and use omnibus format, they must bring a best good ending for it. Although for Tsuneki's personality, in amagami ss you can see that Morishima Haruka is childish and like teasing too, but they had good ending and get married in the end.

Shinichi- said:
Wow, 5 years... Anything can happen in 5 years. There is no reason for them to wait for each other if they never made any promises to begin with...
Felt really unsatisfying, I'm cool with open-endings, but only if it's well executed.

PoLoBreak said:
Anyone else feel really disappointed about the first arc? Judging by the pacing of their relationship I suspected it was going to be rushed but I didn't expect it be basically friendzone the anime. I can't tell if it was trying to be a romance story or it's just a story about falling in and out of love in a summer fling. If it's the latter then they rushed the hell out of it. You can't condense the exploration of those emotions in like the last 5 mins of the episode and expect to tell an effective story. (Aku no hana manga and 500 days of summer did far better job) They could've spent 1 or 2 episode fleshing that out for it to be a relatable and realistic story. At the end the mc was talking about how he thought he finally gotten closer to Tsuneki when they kissed, only to drift farther apart. Also he talked about how he exchanged numbers with Tsuneki and she never texted him once. I was like what the hell is this depressing shit lmao.I don't even know what the whole point the writer is trying to convey. Are they just mad that this happened to them so they wrote this out of spite?
In terms of the characters, i thought the dialogue felt kind of realistic especially how they nonchalantly talk about lewd stuff without freaking out like anime characters usually do. I disliked the mc because he was milquetoast. I was kind of annoyed about how ambiguous Tsuneki felt about Kamita. One moment she is cold/trolls Kamita and next moment she is nice/flirts with him for no explicable reason. The inconsistency in her behavior made her feel a bit unrealistic.

dend08 said:
they skipped five years and meet again..
i cant help but compare it with amagami.
in amagami, time skip means they either married and have a kid, or living together
in this.. ugh.
and they have contact number but none of them take the initiative~ ugh
the kiss was good tho.
but still, if this one were to get a game, no one would want to take this route.
the main character really need to step up his game, juunichi confess to haruka again even after being rejected and this guy not even confess once.

Jonesy974 said:
Incredibly disappointed with the ending of that arc.

I thought that entire beach scene was fantastic, and then when she says she wants to leave, and doesn't even want to date him in the last year of high school, he literally didn't even remotely attempt to put up a fight.

Then there is a FIVE YEAR time skip! Holy hell that's a long time. And then their reunion lasts 11 seconds and is equally anti-climactic. "oh, you're back?" "oh, you're the college student they hired?" Cut. The end. Roll credits. The fuck was that shit.

It irritates me more because Tsuneki ended up growing on me as a character when I thought she was just spiteful and bitchy in the beginning.

Genix said:


Pretty much this. It just felt... Underwhelming.

The first two episodes were alright, the third one sorta meh, but this last one, the most important one as it wraps up the arc, was mostly bad I think.

Too open ended for an epilogue, specially. One can think that they hit it off again after 4 years of not seeing each other (They saw each other for their last schoolyear, as normal classmates at least, so 4 years if you take it at face value of it being a 5 year time-skip after the events at the beach).

But as they didn't really make a promise or commitment to start a proper relationship from the beginning, you can also think of it as a non-romantic resolution. I.e., Tsuneki moved on (the lad got friendzoned at best), and perhaps met an alternate partner in her life. The fact that it can be interpreted as such bothers me.

The other 2 remaining arcs for the next two girls better be handled better than this, or my opinion on this anime may be borderline abysmal.

gophercg said:
Friendzoned, but still kiss mc twice. Have contact, but never txt for the school year & nothing in 4 years. How's that even "friend"? relationship so weird. Also Hikari so generous to that scum friend's plot. These make her interesting & non-cliche as a character, but in a confounding unreal way.
I like the resolution of both inspiring each other & persuing goals, sorta trusting their independence. Skip skip kinda weird but ok, at least they meet again. This plot might work better in a full season, but 4 episodes seems odd.

Holmes15 said:
Are you kidding me? He chose his career based on the off chance he might see her again? This isn't normal, there is something mentally wrong with the MC if he thinks that's ok. I mean they didn't even stay in contact. What if she fell for some other guy? Then what would he have done with his cucked ass? Hopefully the next arc is better than this awful start.

earnshaw30 said:
what a load of shit that episode was Juuinchi or whatever he was called in amagami at least fucking confessed jesus christ right fucking waste of time

daybreaker69 said:
So like WTF! Is that it? Just when she was starting become likable she up and leaves, while at the same time rejecting ma dude who didn't even get a chance to properly confess. Then the whole 5 year time skip. It might just be me but i don't know if the show will continue after the time skip or go back in time. If they do go back 5 years then what was the point in having that scene if it really didn't mean anything.

Cashdax said:
lmao the conclusion was fcking horrible, like seriously horrible

Sakagami_Tomoyo said:
Shit compared to Amagami SS. Plot felt so forced, unnatural and convenient.

Todd_ said:
All of our time and investment and we get that kind of ending. Might as well kick us in the nuts instead.

Tsuneki was cute, but I wasn't a big fan of her personality. It's the next girl that I'm really looking forward to. I love girls like her.

Pretty disappointing arc though.

Vonatra said:
Tsuneki Arc is really lack romance development, and i really hate that ending. sigh...

i hope the next Arc is better than this.

FinalFlash18 said:
Disappointing. I wanted more concrete conclusion. Even more so when they practically showed no implications of same in previous three episodes.

ManlyTear said:
It had a realistic way to end off things which happens more often than not but,rather disappointing overall given what has happened so far. Just one freaking kiss,come on... at least make it night of "memories" before splitting off for the next 5 years. The show got rather rather lazy here at the end, IMO. Also, to think that Shouichi really hoped and outgoing girl like Hikari would still be into him after 5 years when their time memorable time together was so brief. If we're to talk about realism, most of the time one such girl would've found a boyfriend by then.

Felt to me like they tried to strike a good balance between realism & a satisfying end but it got rather lazy towards the end and the execution suffered as result. Kind of a shame since Hikari seemed to be one of the more fun & interesting girls and the previous episodes had their charm with her & Shouichi's flirting but it just didn't wanna go the extra mile - or heck,just a few extra meters would've cut it - there to end things on a satisfying note.