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Nov 28, 2016 10:44 AM
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Private Eyes: @Astros @Gruffin @grave_robber @Jackrito Citizens: We're members of an elite squad known as the Spooky Victims Unit(SVU). These are our stories investigations. |
AstrosNov 29, 2016 12:50 PM
Nov 28, 2016 10:46 AM
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Astros said: Private Eyes: @Astros @Gruffin Citizens: We're members of an elite squad known as the Spooky Victims Unit(SVU). These are our stories investigations. Yesss. 8D |
Nov 28, 2016 10:48 AM
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Gimme a sec, I'm going to gather up all my ramblings from the comments section and put them in this post. Edit: Here's the fruits of my N1 investigation before I died. I was planning to post this at the start of D2. ------- Apologies, I got off to a really rough start there. *-* Going to reset my thoughts on this game and start fresh. If I learned anything from D1, it was to focus on one thing at a time. >.> I had no focus, which lead me to being confused, which lead to an iffy vote that helped lynch a townie and make myself look bad. In short: Not helpful! I’ll do better today. I suggest we all post some sort of reads list as we go into Day 2. Some players haven’t made their stances clear yet, which is something I want fixed now. ✧Town✧ Ruu: I misinterpreted her RVS comment, assuming she was implying that we do a policy lynch. #70 cleared this up thankfully. #154 sounds like a town post because she showed frustration at the lack of activity, something I was also feeling at the time. Easily faked by scum, but I liked it. I can easily follow her thought process on Grrr/Claire. Jackrito: I hope he’s town. If he actually is scum, then we’ll have to rely on methods other than behavioural analysis to catch him because I’m not seeing a whole lot of suspicious stuff in his posts so far. The only thing that bothers me is suspecting Logic for his reads list while not offering his own. This is excusable since hardly any of us posted a full reads list on D1. _Claire_: Townlean. Don’t know where she sees the trolling in Grrr’s posts, but her suspicion of him is valid. I’d like to give her a townread with how hard she was pushing for Grrr to be lynched, but I don’t know her intentions for building the train yet. Phraze: Townlean. I like the question directed at Logic in #232 and #277. In #237 she wants to reform the wagon on Claire up against Grrr. I decided to approach reading this with the following possibilities: A) Town trying to get reactions, bringing more info into the game/Pressuring someone who they think is scummy. B) Scum trying to cause chaos/Get a mislynch on Claire/Save Grrr. I find option A to be most likely considering her tone and her subsequent responses to others as well as her backing off of Claire later on. Something else of note is she started using numbers to describe feelings again. -_- I don’t care for this practice, but it’s how Phraze has reasoned in the past. This tells me she is trying to work things out in her own (albeit arbitrary) way. ✧Neutral✧ Coromandel: Nothing about their posts has caught my eye, but maybe that was because it was 1 AM by the time I was analyzing them. I'll give them another look today and I’d like to see a VCA post sometime soon. Grave_robber/Astros: I don’t quite follow her read on aa-dono and Soren. I think her reaction to Ruu’s wording of her question was a bit much because I can see myself wording that question the same way Ruu did. She’s very aggressive this game, but I don’t know if that’s townie or scum aggression. I’ll have to see how Astros plays. Kit: This is going to conflict with what I said in Post #321, just a warning. :| I didn’t have a clear mind when I posted that. I expected Kit to really start questioning people this game like they did in Camp, but that doesn’t seem to be happening. Their reasons for trusting Claire’s plan in #190 seems a little too easy, and when questioned about it by Logic, they agree that his question is fair and don’t defend their stance in #337. I want to see more scumhunting effort from Kit today if they are town. Grrr: Predicts a mafia win on Day 7, which really isn’t indicative of anything to me. It sounds like pessimism or a random post. I wanted to give him a chance on Day 1 because I went into this game knowing he’s a common mislynch target, but he needs to post more of his thoughts for me to be comfortable with keeping him around. I do like that he’s trying to analyze Jack and Soren, so it’s a start. We’ll see. ✧Scum✧ Soren: Scumlean. He’s been asking me a lot of questions about Grave concerning the policy lynch misunderstanding and my read on Grave. Getting a little fearful that he’s planning to set me up starting with this misunderstanding, but maybe I’m just crazy. I would have expected him to be questioning the lynch candidates around phase change rather than me if he wanted to scumhunt. I don’t mind being questioned, it’s just that he was focused on all the wrong people given the situation we were in. Rinto-kun: Scummy lurker in my eyes until he starts posting more. RVS voted Luna, posted fluff, and answered questions that were directed at him. In #104 he didn’t seem to be very happy that I questioned him. And the “I sound kinda scummy even to myself” sounded odd. Don’t know why he thought his own answer sounded scummy. By the end of phase, his vote was still on Luna. Logic340: Reeeaaally wanted him to be obv town in this game...I haven’t seen him post much of his own content or question people. He’ll say something is interesting, but not go into detail why. His reads post is incomplete, only giving out a bunch of neutrals and two leans. Voted Kit because they were his lead suspect, but didn’t do anything to push a lynch on them/question them. If Kit was only a scumlean, then why didn’t he question Kit further to figure out their alignment? Why am I of all people his sole townread? Something’s not right here. ._. ✧Null✧ Luna/DenjaX: Luna only posted fluff early on and didn’t participate because she was busy. I hope DenjaX can give us more insight and a fresh view of the game. I went post by post for hours while writing this. -flops over in exhaustion- That said, I’d be happy to walk anyone through any of these reads, so if you don’t understand where I’m coming from with one, just ask me and we can discuss. Today I plan to pressure Logic, but I'd like to see some pressure on Rinto, Soren, Grrr, and even Kit as well. Vote: Logic340 ------- This is pretty long. I'll post the rest separately. Edit 2: Spoiler'd for convenience. |
GruffinNov 28, 2016 11:16 AM
Nov 28, 2016 10:48 AM
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I'll be back soon to give my thoughts. Going for a walk. |
Nov 28, 2016 11:08 AM
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[PART 1] Cutting out the fluff for brevity: --- Gruffin | Yesterday, 12:10 PM And I kinda suspected that Grave was TPR, but I wasn't going to say that since TPR and Town could possibly work together. --- Gruffin | Yesterday, 12:38 PM While I was making my reads list, I started to get this super paranoid theory that the scumteam was a mix of Soren/Logic/Grave/Rinto?/Kit because of the way they interacted with me. Soren was only interested in questioning me about my superficial townlean on Grave, I didn't buy that Logic wanted Kit lynched because he never questioned them, and not to mention the "Ruu misunderstanding" that got blown out of proportion by Soren and Grave. ._. Rinto's just a lurker, so he could fit anywhere in this theory. --- Gruffin | Yesterday, 2:34 PM I always like seeing Coro's VCA posts. ^.^ Very easy to follow. And ooo, Ruu's analysis is pretty good. Except that I disagree with nearly all of it. ._. Really wish I was still alive to discuss this with her. I just wanna shake her and say "Nooo! You're trusting Soren and Logic too easily! Look at what they aren't posting!" --- aa-dono | Yesterday, 4:03 PM @Gruffin I can't be ghost detective coz I made the mistake of knowing who mafia is >< Anyway, after death, my brain started thinking. And I knew that grave can't be scum. She's a good player so for her to stick on some really silly reasoning even though I defended myself for a lynch, I read her as confused. I mean, my flip will come back to her later so if scum, I doubt she's gonna use RVS for a reason to vote for me. She'll use better reasoning. Since Jack's only reason was different from RVS, and it seems reasonable even though wrong, I put him in neutral pile. That's why I thought you were scum. Soren could be but I've seen him play this way. He just gets busy and doesn't catch up until later :/ Here's a hint. Usually, mafia would kill off people who look town. Yet they killed you who was on my wagon. This makes the suspicious pool among much smaller target, but of really good players. Whoever scum is, wanted to make use of the confusion and get rid of good players through a lynch, instead of kill. Urgh, I hate great scum team. >< I admire them and hate it at the same time lol --- Gruffin | Yesterday, 4:27 PM Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing about my death after a bit. :I I wasn't doing too well D1, so there had to be some other motive to kill me off. Sure I tried to get the thread out of RVS but then people started scumreading me. It's not like I was the towniest player there. (Also I know I keep talking about it, but in Camp we were able to line up a bunch of mislynches since town focused on Phraze's lynch train so much. Wondering if the scumteam is doing this with Grave.) Hmm. Maybe your train was all actually town, then? Or mostly town and one mafia that can be bussed later on. Eh, I'll have to think on it more. --- Gruffin | Yesterday, 7:55 PM I'm skimming through the current conversations going on, too tired to really analyze anything much. x.x But because of your (aa-dono's) hint, I'm starting to think it's possible that Ruu pocketed me? Lots of the things I townread her for were emotional, which is something she's good at manipulating (see werewolf game). :I We'll see who she decides to vote on by Phase Change in addition to her actions, I guess. Still liking my scumread on Logic for now, but I want to look back through his posts again now that he's providing more content. Not quite sure about Soren still. Would be happier with pressure on him rather than Astros. Phraze is now my current top townread, which is something I never expected I would say. :'D Coro's a mystery to me because I haven't read over their posts very well. >.< DenjaX too since they haven't posted yet. In a world where Astros, Soren, and Jack are all town, I could see Logic, Ruu, and Claire being the scum team. This is literally me giving wild guesses again like on D1, but whatever I'm dead. x) This will be given more thought later on. --- Gruffin | Yesterday, 10:25 PM grrr(4) // coromandel, _Claire_, Soren, Kit Astros(3) // Ruu, logic340, Jackrito Not voting : grrr, Rinto-kun, Phraze, DenjaX, Astros Hm. Not sure what to think about these current trains. :\ They're kind of...easy. --- aa-dono | Yesterday, 11:36 PM Yeah the train are very easy. Town aren't really looking past one person :( We have passive town who's just sheeping atm, and leading town that's tunneling on players based on the previous train. They should try questioning people that doesn't give input >< and expand their search |
Nov 28, 2016 11:15 AM
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[PART 2] --- Gruffin | Today, 12:01 AM Eh, well. I can see why people are voting Grrr and Astros though. >.> I may have been okay with joining in on one of their trains for pressure reasons if I wasn't suspicious of Logic/dead. And who knows, maybe Logic was just off to a rough start on D1. Meh. Nice to see a couple people going against the current. ^.^ Don't like Phraze's reasons, but that's kinda how she is. Denja's reason is okay (Maybe more of a pressure vote?) Kinda weak, but Ruu needs to be in the spotlight for a little anyway. >Next is Astros, I think he may be TPR. I might be wrong though. But when I read grave_robber's post, I get the feel that she might have guessed aa-dono's lynch. Woah! :O That's exactly why I thought Grave was TPR! But then I remembered that TPR had to guess during Night Phase and we started on Day Phase which made that theory crumble. But hm. Grave did bring that up early on in Post #27...Maybe she really was allowed to guess and asked that to stay under cover? Then again, she was pretty involved with the TPR talk pregame, so it could have been fresh in her mind. >Also the scum killing Gruffin is bothering me a bit. I wish I am on my computer so I can analyze the VC. Hm? Claire's pointing it out? :> Interested to see this VCA. --- Gruffin | Today, 12:05 AM >They should try questioning people that doesn't give input >< and expand their search Definitely. Having Camp flashbacks? XD I sure am. --- Gruffin | Today, 12:07 AM I actually went into this game refusing to claim D1/D2 as well because of my role. :I I would have been useless if I claimed. --- (Not going to include the convo I had here with SoulEaterQUEEN, but I recommend going back and taking a look. :3) --- Gruffin | 3 hours ago Nooo! The thread's still hyper-focused on Grrr/Astros after I woke up. :C Stop all looking in the same direction guys! (Phraze)>Coro is starting to look bad to me for wanting to vote Grave/Astros. Saaaame. -_- Coro, pls. (Rinto-kun)>Hmm... I'm not sure if anyone is actually scum-hunting... I don't see you scumhunting. >:| (Rinto-kun)>If it's possible, I'd like to avoid a lynch by any means and give some time to our town investigative roles to search. What? No! Lynches = more info, correct? An informative PR role may be killed in the night or get unhelpful results or get results and have a hard time sharing them without outing themselves. Lynches are free info for all of town even if you lynch a townie, right? (Phraze)>I did mention in a post that Grrr 'thanked' Grave, which Gruffin noticed Gah! My posts to Grrr during N1 were fluff. I didn't "notice" Grrr thanking Grave, just said that he should explain himself D2. :\ A post pointing out scummy behaviour would have counted as strategy talk anyway. (Jackrito)>They are more examples in the EOD of Grave not reading peoples posts as shown from a bit from reads here. The thread was so fast and chaotic, I doubt everyone was reading every post. I remember by the time I posted a catch-up post, there would be 15 more to catch up on. (ಥ_ಥ) I'm just really not liking this town's tunneling on Grave/Astros right now. (Jackrito)>The way Gruffin townread this still annoys me. I really regret posting those weak reads because Jack keeps running off with them in his posts against Grave. They weren't serious! They were all superficial reads to get discussion going! I didn't townread Grave, I gave her a weak townlean. Big difference! Is this Jack twisting my words to his benefit? Also I remember people starting to say we were "buddying up" because of that townlean, but I think I was just happy to have another active user in RVS. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (Phraze)>going with the confirmed targets No stoppp. I liked that vote on Claire. D: She needs more pressure! (Ruu)>This doesn't mean I think you are 100% town, it means that for now I'm not getting a strong scum read from Grave/you so I don't think you should get lynch today. You are neutral for now. AHA! I was wondering if you or Logic would unvote Astros before EoD! Logic/Ruu/Claire? theory lives! grrr(6) // coromandel, _Claire_, Soren, Kit, Rinto-kun, Phraze Astros(2) // logic340, Jackrito Ruu(1) // DenjaX Not voting : grrr, Astros, Ruu Ughhh these trains are so bad. x( And Grrr's begging for his life. :o Not liking the fear tactics, but still feel like he shouldn't be lynched. --- aa-dono | 3 hours ago true~would scum grrr begs for his life.... hmm in CCS he was scum, and he was caught but he tried to fake scumhunt instead of just begs. --- Gruffin | 3 hours ago Eh. I just don't know with him. But that's why I don't like the train on him. >.> I don't think piling on the votes to pressure him is going to accomplish anything since he's so hard to read. --- aa-dono | 2 hours ago Hmmm logic can be ruthless, but I like his posts. I want to play more with him T_T When's the signup for next game... Though imo, if he wanted to get away from tunneling, he should stop pointing out that others are just tunnelling. That invites defensive replies. He should find the post that is scummy and highlight that. That goes the same with Jack. --- Gruffin | 1 hour ago Astros... ;o; I knew this wasn't a good lynch! --- And that's all that's been said so far! |
Nov 28, 2016 11:22 AM
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Just got back, will give my thoughts on this first I suppose as its easier than revisiting the mafia thread for a third time ._. |
Nov 28, 2016 11:28 AM
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I'll be spending some time today re-reading D2, evaluating what I can. |
Nov 28, 2016 12:45 PM
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Gruffin said: While gut feeling is important as its a response of your subconscious figuring something out without you, you need to refine your reasons in order to avoid just paranoia. What about the questions was striking? Simply asking questions isn't enough. If it was D1 then logic likely just didn't want to waste his vote due to power outages. Which misunderstanding was this? I don't recall. Also, the biggy, what persuaded you to think they were working together instead of coincidentally acting in unison. --- Gruffin | Yesterday, 12:38 PM While I was making my reads list, I started to get this super paranoid theory that the scumteam was a mix of Soren/Logic/Grave/Rinto?/Kit because of the way they interacted with me. Soren was only interested in questioning me about my superficial townlean on Grave, I didn't buy that Logic wanted Kit lynched because he never questioned them, and not to mention the "Ruu misunderstanding" that got blown out of proportion by Soren and Grave. ._. Rinto's just a lurker, so he could fit anywhere in this theory. Gruffin said: I believe I made note of this and she refused to admit to trusting them. That is until she had a night to sleep on it. --- Gruffin | Yesterday, 2:34 PM I always like seeing Coro's VCA posts. ^.^ Very easy to follow. And ooo, Ruu's analysis is pretty good. Except that I disagree with nearly all of it. ._. Really wish I was still alive to discuss this with her. I just wanna shake her and say "Nooo! You're trusting Soren and Logic too easily! Look at what they aren't posting!" Gruffin said: Not necessarily. Good mafia know they can kill just about anyone and hit town and that suspicion can change within a day. They'll likely go after those they think have power roles or are not easily swayed.Here's a hint. Usually, mafia would kill off people who look town. Gruffin said: There's a good possibility at least one mafia is on each if grr is mafia. I don't expect mafia to strongly defend grr due to their behavior. Well, aside from saying "he's just random like that". It's good not to put all your eggs in the same basket, that proverb works here.--- Gruffin | Yesterday, 10:25 PM grrr(4) // coromandel, _Claire_, Soren, Kit Astros(3) // Ruu, logic340, Jackrito Not voting : grrr, Rinto-kun, Phraze, DenjaX, Astros Hm. Not sure what to think about these current trains. :\ They're kind of...easy. Reading Part 2 of the comments I don't see much worth noting. It seemed like largely speculation and assumption without a lot of backing. My eyes glaze over at that, likely from doing it for hours yesterday. My thoughts on the game so far are relatively the same as in post #632 Town is divided and depending on weak leads in the hopes of getting mafia. Which is something mafia can take advantage of. Instead of what Grave did that was questionable they focused on the motive behind the action. And while it was only D2 and D1 wasn't very helpful, they were still too confident and didn't take advantage of the time to pressure others. Individually there were a few who I was suspicious of, but not enough to vote on. Grrr seems to have no concern for lynches or the game. His only reason for coming and voting was to insure he didn't die. Though this itself isn't the only thing striking about it. Jack mentioned that players can use their meta to their advantage and that seems to be what Grr may have done by coming in and being trollish. Though Jack didn't really seem to think that was a big deal compared to his reasoning for me. (#72) I also didn't particularly like Claire's vote here. #170 She inadvertently influenced the thinking processes of town. Ru only reinforced this group mentality. #172 While I'm not saying that no mistakes isn't a sign of mafia, it shouldn't be a huge focus as that's narrowing the field of thought. Group mentality builds assurance. While they may be right in assuming certain posts indicate mafia they could be wrong. But, with sufficient amounts of support for an idea, users will be less likely to challenge it. For a myriad of reasons, including fear of being accused of shielding someone like we see in the case of D1 and D2. It also blurs the lines between what's mafia behavior and town. Of course it could be a ploy to see who all changes their styles, but it comes off as too obvious and requires too much time to establish results. Of the two most active users regarding questions, reads, and leading votes. I think it's possible for either Logic or Jackrito to be mafia. This is largely from a strategic opinion than meta/behavior. Having someone to keep focus off mafia is useful and poses little risk to the mafia as a whole. If their partner is lynched they can always direct new suspicion to those most active. When your main source of reads and support turns out to be scum you generally get second thoughts about others. Not only does this waste time, but can end in the lynching of a helpful town. Phraze is an oddity. They seem to keep their opinions to themselves regardless of pressure which I would do in cases of weak pressure. One thing of note that bugged me relating to the suspicion of Grave over her vote was that Phraze himself changed his vote shortly after phase change. Of course me mentioning that would have done nothing to save me, it would look like I was simply wanting to redirect suspicion off me. #419 I'm not sure what made the shift in their opinion from prior, but it may be worth looking into. #269 The same can be said of Jackrito's opinion. #449 For Soren all I can note is his cherry picking Grave and then defending me near the end. I didn't pay much attention to it as I was busy catching up and thinking of how to defend myself, but it's definitely worth a read. Watch his and Jack's interaction in the coming days as well. #284 #746 #317 Here he states it wasn't to produce discussion so that option is out unless he wants to take that statement back. I don't have much opinion of Kit or Coro, but they seemed to be trying to put words in my mouth. Possibly to make the lynch against me stronger or they actually believed their misinterpretations. Kit #580 Coro #763 On this page I thought this post by Jack was peculiar. To me he seems to be reading way too much into the motives of Grave's vote. Granted that could be a strategy, but it has no relevance to the current stage of things. While I don't remember everything I've read I don't think anyone was pushing for that on town side. To change your vote because of that without little backing is strange. #597 Ruu and Rinto-kun seem to be rather laid back voters. I think if anyone could be persuaded to vote one way or another it would be them, more so Ruu. Rinto-kun just seems like a lurker which can be a sign of concern given circumstances. Overall odd behavior, but no Meta or posts to back it up. |
AstrosNov 28, 2016 1:24 PM
Nov 28, 2016 2:05 PM
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@Astros While gut feeling is important as its a response of your subconscious figuring something out without you, you need to refine your reasons in order to avoid just paranoia. What about the questions was striking? Simply asking questions isn't enough. If it was D1 then logic likely just didn't want to waste his vote due to power outages. Which misunderstanding was this? I don't recall. Also, the biggy, what persuaded you to think they were working together instead of coincidentally acting in unison. Okay, let’s see if I can work this out then. The thing that bothered me about Soren’s questions was that I was the one that Soren was focused on at Phase Change. He was questioning me about Grave, but kept his vote on aa-dono and then left. Fair enough on Logic. The misunderstanding I’m talking about is here. ....Good point. ._. This theory was all paranoia. I wasn’t planning to immediately post it on D2 since I wanted more evidence/pressure before accusing them of something like this, but that doesn’t take away that this is all assumption. I believe I made note of this and she refused to admit to trusting them. That is until she had a night to sleep on it. I’m not sure if I’ve caught up to that part yet. Which post was that? Not necessarily. Good mafia know they can kill just about anyone and hit town and that suspicion can change within a day. They'll likely go after those they think have power roles or are not easily swayed. True. Why do you think the mafia killed me off? There's a good possibility at least one mafia is on each if grr is mafia. I don't expect mafia to strongly defend grr due to their behavior. Well, aside from saying "he's just random like that". It's good not to put all your eggs in the same basket, that proverb works here. Do you think town should focus on Grrr D3? Reading Part 2 of the comments I don't see much worth noting. It seemed like largely speculation and assumption without a lot of backing. My eyes glaze over at that, likely from doing it for hours yesterday. Pretty much. I was burnt out from N1. Thoroughly reading things takes up a lot of time. I also didn't particularly like Claire's vote here. She inadvertently influenced the thinking processes of town. Ru only reinforced this group mentality. While I'm not saying that no mistakes isn't a sign of mafia, it shouldn't be a huge focus as that's narrowing the field of thought. Group mentality builds assurance. While they may be right in assuming certain posts indicate mafia they could be wrong. But, with sufficient amounts of support for an idea, users will be less likely to challenge it. For a myriad of reasons, including fear of being accused of shielding someone like we see in the case of D1 and D2. It also blurs the lines between what's mafia behavior and town. I just want to make sure I understood correctly. So are you saying that you suspect Claire and Ruu are working together to make town confident in the way they are reading Grrr, thus creating a herd mentality and allowing scum to blend in easier? Of the two most active users regarding questions, reads, and leading votes. I think it's possible for either Logic or Jackrito to be mafia. This is largely from a strategic opinion than meta/behavior. Having someone to keep focus off mafia is useful and poses little risk to the mafia as a whole. If their partner is lynched they can always direct new suspicion to those most active. When you main source of reads and support turns out to be scum you generally get second thoughts about others. Not only does this waste time, but can end in the lynching of a helpful town. Have you seen any behavior from either of them to support that they are pulling this strategy so far? Phraze is an oddity. They seem to keep their opinions to themselves regardless of pressure which I would do in cases of weak pressure. One thing of note that bugged me relating to the suspicion of Grave over her vote was that Phraze himself changed his vote shortly after phase change. Of course me mentioning that would have done nothing to save me, it would look like I was simply wanting to redirect suspicion off me. That she is. She’s prone to making weird jumps in logic to accuse people, and I’ve seen her do 180s on her reads more than once in other games. She was a lot more vocal about her reads in Camp Crystal Lake (which we used to spin a mislynch on her D2). Sometimes she’ll say scummy things as town, which makes for a great distraction. I've never seen her scum game before. For Soren all I can note is his cherry picking Grave and then defending me near the end. I didn't pay much attention to it as I was busy catching up and thinking of how to defend myself, but it's definitely worth a read. Watch his and Jack's interaction in the coming days as well. Oh weird...What happened there? Will do, this is interesting. I don't have much opinion of Kit or Coro, but they seemed to be trying to put words in my mouth. Possibly to make the lynch against me stronger or they actually believed their misinterpretations. Pushing the herd mentality or sheep themselves? Hm. Your comment about Grave’s physical condition was a weird thing for them to focus on. |
Nov 28, 2016 2:20 PM
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Gruffin said: I’m not sure if I’ve caught up to that part yet. Which post was that? #534 Here I ask where her reasoning lies. #536 Her reply shortly after. #547 Having caught up and read the post, I mentioned her wild faith in the face of previous evidence otherwise. #563 Here I feel she misinterpeted by post and focused on the quotes themselves and not that they refuted Soren's claim. Though, granted she apparently hadn't slept in 24 hours. Subsequent replies #571 - Mine #577 - Hers #586 - Mine #596 - Hers #601 - Mine #605 - Hers #609 - Mine #611 - Hers #614 - Mine Then she replied back after a supposed nights sleep. #696 I'll answer the rest, but this should come first. |
Nov 28, 2016 2:52 PM
#12
Gruffin said: I couldn't tell you, other than random first day kill. You didn't do anything that made you stand out terribly well. If my idea of mafia influencing suspicion is true then possibly as you were a third wheel. On a hunch I think post #321 may have had something to do with it, but I don't know what.True. Why do you think the mafia killed me off? Gruffin said: If they have no solid leads otherwise and he doesn't prove himself worthy of living for the sake of town, then yes.Do you think town should focus on Grrr D3? Gruffin said: You're telling me. I spent my Sunday afternoon just catching up. Pretty much. I was burnt out from N1. Thoroughly reading things takes up a lot of time. Gruffin said: It's a possibility, but a small one. I don't remember that topic being brought up in later posts. From what I read no one seemed to vote for someone as their posts were too clean. Just the act of influencing the reads of people can be dangerous. If Ruu isn't helping Claire then she's just trying to be helpful which may be Claire's motive as well. Too early to tell and I don't have any meta on them.I just want to make sure I understood correctly. So are you saying that you suspect Claire and Ruu are working together to make town confident in the way they are reading Grrr, thus creating a herd mentality and allowing scum to blend in easier? Gruffin said: Can't say that I have. I would need to read D2 which I have not yet. Jack's tunneling could be seen as that in one light. He was so sure despite my claims he was wrong and wasn't open to my suggestion of re-evaluating his opinion. Come flip time he simply said "I give up" which could either be frustration or an attempt to shift blame off him. When someone usually gives up it's either after much frustration or multiple failures. Have you seen any behavior from either of them to support that they are pulling this strategy so far? This was Jack's first mislynch so that doesn't fit the later situation. Can't say he really struggled with his opinion as it seemed pretty confident after reading the thread again. I'm not sure what he found during then that he didn't the first time around. Having read his major reasons for voting against me, they seem a mix of neutral and possible scum behavior. Nothing substantial. Of course, this is opinion and not solid evidence like behavior. Is Jack usually distraught after a single mislynch? Gruffin said: Good to know.I've never seen her scum game before. Gruffin said: A bit. It seemed more of an after thought for Coro than for Kit. I find it humorous that they thought me mentioning the cold was an excuse, yet suspecting me for such was equally an excuse. To simply not consider it a factor due to possible use by the mafia is silly as anything one says could be used to that extent. What separates paranoia and mafia behavior is the actions on the suspect's part. Pushing the herd mentality or sheep themselves? Hm. Your comment about Grave’s physical condition was a weird thing for them to focus on. If I had seriously pushed to excuse her actions based solely on her cold then I could agree more with the reasoning considering what day it was. |
AstrosNov 28, 2016 2:55 PM
Nov 28, 2016 3:14 PM
#13
Is Jack usually distraught after a single mislynch? This is the first time I've played with Jack, I wouldn't know. Ah, if you don't already know, this is only my second game and my first one as town. I'm still working on a D2 catch-up post, so I can't really give any opinions on it yet. |
Nov 28, 2016 4:03 PM
#14
I’m going to try pointing out some posts that look scummy to me and explain why. Let’s see if this works better. #497 Ruu: After my death, she gives a 100% townread on me, does not provide evidence for why. This is much different from her reads on #515, where each read apart from DenjaX receives an explanation of some sort. The difference in effort is apparent. #515 Ruu: ❖ Grrr is playing different this game, he's not doing many jokes and is very active which is weird. Grrr has not been active. To be honest Jack's responds was townish for me because that is something I would say and I'm town. Saying you believe in town doesn't make you scum people Defends Jack in her read of Grrr, using it as a point against Grrr. Note that Jack is not present in Part 1 of her reads and she hasn't delivered part 2. ._. ❖ I still can't read Soren as scum or town. I really want him to be town because I think as scum he could be a real treat (also because we could finally be on the same team <3). ???? I don’t understand this part. ❖ I don't have any interesting posts from him to share sorry. I'll read the thread again to see if I can find solid evidence of his alignment (it was 2 am when I wrote down all the posts and he was the last one so I was too lazy gomen ;-;) This is part of her read on Soren, but on her read of Grave she turns around and says: I recomend you all read Soren post because he makes good observations regarding grave's behaviour. #498 Logic: I'm surprised by this thought the Mafia would try to use her push for a mislynch on aadono to there advantage. If Logic was town, he would not know I was town. This could also suggest he was confident in his townread of me, but In #499 he says he was looking into my posts, suggesting suspicion. Then later there’s #509: I was looking at Gruffin as a suspect before she was killed by mafia. I'm up to #523 right now. o~o Kinda slow-going. |
Nov 28, 2016 4:37 PM
#15
Gruffin said: For one, you're dead. Mafia only kills Town and TPR on most night kills. We know the TPR is still alive as prior green posted this "Today's magical number is 5 <--- refering to the claim mechanics."Ruu: After my death, she gives a 100% townread on me, does not provide evidence for why. This is much different from her reads on #515, where each read apart from DenjaX receives an explanation of some sort. The difference in effort is apparent. #492 Gruffin said: That very well may be a typo. The is near "very" could have meant to be isn't*. Though, if she makes comment of his activity later we know what she meant.Ruu: ❖ Grrr is playing different this game, he's not doing many jokes and is very active which is weird. Grrr has not been active. Gruffin said: She may have been referring to this quote of grrr which she included.To be honest Jack's responds was townish for me because that is something I would say and I'm town. Saying you believe in town doesn't make you scum people Defends Jack in her read of Grrr, using it as a point against Grrr. Note that Jack is not present in Part 1 of her reads and she hasn't delivered part 2. ._. grr said: What he wrote makes no sense. Only mafia person would post it to look townish. town person won't post that. Gruffin said: An emotional defense it seems. She can't find anything to read Soren as guilty and wants to be on the same team. Likely blinded her rational when talking to me, but not sure. ❖ I still can't read Soren as scum or town. I really want him to be town because I think as scum he could be a real treat (also because we could finally be on the same team <3). ???? I don’t understand this part. Gruffin said: Yeah, she definitely was oblivious to her post contents or simply thought of only scum posts instead of good/neutral defense posts. ❖ I don't have any interesting posts from him to share sorry. I'll read the thread again to see if I can find solid evidence of his alignment (it was 2 am when I wrote down all the posts and he was the last one so I was too lazy gomen ;-;) This is part of her read on Soren, but on her read of Grave she turns around and says: I recomend you all read Soren post because he makes good observations regarding grave's behaviour. Gruffin said: Yeah, a few things are odd about that post. First, if you notice he made edits to it. Though, usually Logic will add in text stating what he edited. Not the case with this one. The post itself doesn't make a lot of sense nor does it contribute much. Dono was dead already so if they were to use you they would have already done so. Also as you said there's no need to suspect you of being a misinformed townie and mafia at the same time. Either Logic got his story mixed up or he meant to say something, but it was lost in the convoluted manner it was posted in.#498 Logic: I'm surprised by this thought the Mafia would try to use her push for a mislynch on aadono to there advantage. If Logic was town, he would not know I was town. This could also suggest he was confident in his townread of me, but In #499 he says he was looking into my posts, suggesting suspicion. Then later there’s #509: I was looking at Gruffin as a suspect before she was killed by mafia. I'm up to #523 right now. o~o Kinda slow-going. |
AstrosNov 28, 2016 4:41 PM
Nov 28, 2016 4:56 PM
#16
For one, you're dead. Mafia only kills Town and TPR on most night kills. We know the TPR is still alive as prior green posted this "Today's magical number is 5 <--- refering to the claim mechanics." Yes I’m dead, but according to that post, this was an already-made read: This is my goodbye to you Gruffin - I was going to post this in my analysis My point still stands that she had a weird lack of effort there. That very well may be a typo. The is near "very" could have meant to be isn't*. Though, if she makes comment of his activity later we know what she meant. Yeah, that could be it. She may have been referring to this quote of grrr which she included. Like putting in her opinion on the matter? An emotional defense it seems. She can't find anything to read Soren as guilty and wants to be on the same team. Likely blinded her rational when talking to me, but not sure. Ah okay, her wording had me confused. Yeah, a few things are odd about that post. First, if you notice he made edits to it. Though, usually Logic will add in text stating what he edited. Not the case with this one. The post itself doesn't make a lot of sense nor does it contribute much. Dono was dead already so if they were to use you they would have already done so. Also as you said there's no need to suspect you of being a misinformed townie and mafia at the same time. Either Logic got his story mixed up or he meant to say something, but it was lost in the convoluted manner it was posted in. Completely forgot to look out for strange edits -facepalm- Didn’t even notice that. @Astros |
Nov 28, 2016 5:16 PM
#17
Gruffin said: Huh, I must have missed that. Regardless, that is true, but the purpose is next to be decided. I'd sum it up to her being easily persuaded, as evidence of believing Soren's cherry picking on Grave.Yes I’m dead, but according to that post, this was an already-made read: This is my goodbye to you Gruffin - I was going to post this in my analysis My point still stands that she had a weird lack of effort there. Gruffin said: Yes, as opinion tends to leak across varying people in analysis unless you're strict with order. She may have been referring to this quote of grrr which she included. Like putting in her opinion on the matter? Gruffin said: I wasn't really looking for it. Just something I noticed.Completely forgot to look out for strange edits -facepalm- Didn’t even notice that. |
Nov 28, 2016 5:28 PM
#18
@Astros Huh, I must have missed that. Regardless, that is true, but the purpose is next to be decided. I'd sum it up to her being easily persuaded, as evidence of believing Soren's cherry picking on Grave. I was thinking the vagueness pointed to her knowing that I was going to die. But yeah, her true purpose isn’t clear quite yet. How would her being easily persuaded tie into town reading me like that? |
Nov 28, 2016 5:52 PM
#19
Gruffin said: Possibly, but she may not be very careful with her words. From post #596(Up above), it's apparent she takes assumptions for granted. In the case of assuming my defense and Soren to be correct in his cherry picking. Definitely isn't trying as much as she could be which may lean toward being mafia, too early to tell right now.I was thinking the vagueness pointed to her knowing that I was going to die. But yeah, her true purpose isn’t clear quite yet. How would her being easily persuaded tie into town reading me like that? Though, prior to your death Logic posted reads on post #301 in which you were their highest town read. Perhaps she was swayed by his reasoning and inactive enough not to change that opinion. Re-reading her post the (100%) may be exaggeration more so than speaking literally. |
AstrosNov 28, 2016 5:56 PM
Nov 28, 2016 6:35 PM
#20
Caught up to page 14, but I’ve got nothing. It’s hard to find anything scummy because people are all making wild assumptions that can be WIFOM’d into oblivion. :[ coughlikemeearliercough |
Nov 28, 2016 7:07 PM
#21
Gruffin said: Pretty much. They're stuck on RVS behavior as well.Caught up to page 14, but I’ve got nothing. It’s hard to find anything scummy because people are all making wild assumptions that can be WIFOM’d into oblivion. :[ coughlikemeearliercough |
Nov 28, 2016 7:12 PM
#22
Astros said: Gruffin said: Pretty much. They're stuck on RVS behavior as well.Caught up to page 14, but I’ve got nothing. It’s hard to find anything scummy because people are all making wild assumptions that can be WIFOM’d into oblivion. :[ coughlikemeearliercough Sigh. So where are you at on the thread currently? Find anything of interest? |
Nov 28, 2016 7:30 PM
#23
Gruffin said: Page 13, where I left off before I gave up. I'll give it another look tomorrow sometime. Not going to devote nearly as much time to it as I did when playing. Though feel free to bounce suspicion off me.Sigh. So where are you at on the thread currently? Find anything of interest? |
Nov 28, 2016 7:59 PM
#24
Astros said: Gruffin said: Page 13, where I left off before I gave up. I'll give it another look tomorrow sometime. Not going to devote nearly as much time to it as I did when playing. Though feel free to bounce suspicion off me.Sigh. So where are you at on the thread currently? Find anything of interest? Gotcha. I've got a few things to point out still. #732: Jackrito says Gruffin defended him when it was me he defended, this shows Soren was not paying attention which is so bad. Why is this so bad? Sometimes people make mistakes/misunderstand. I don’t like Jack’s logic here. points out Kit's read list is wrong, I hate when people do this but lacking a lot themselfs. Jack did the same thing to Logic here. And Soren did not say that Kit’s reads list was wrong. I actually...Agree with Soren on #746. Suddenly defending Grave/you is weird after D1, but there’s nothing scummy I can see about the post itself. Jack’s response in #751 is lacking since he doesn’t address each (valid imo) point Soren made. |
Nov 28, 2016 8:48 PM
#25
Ah, look at that. #756 & #764 sound good. If Soren is town I hope he’s not killed off tonight since he doesn’t seem to be having the same wild theory problem the rest of the thread is having. I don’t want to townread him for this yet, still need to see him really scumhunt. There’s the type of response I was wanting from Jack! His case on Grave/you looks really weak here with how most of the points are neutral and one town. 6It is a misynch pool because they are so easy to lynch, I would expect Grave if town to look out the box more. Really, now?! >.< This entire thread is guilty of not doing that, ughhh. #776 Logic: Sickness doesn't explain her behavior which is similar to CCL where she also asked to be replaced. If I was home sick I would have more time to focus on this game while resting and relaxing. Your arguments in support of lynching aa were also weak and I would have felt better had you said that you didn't agree with it. Again, I don’t like the reasoning in this post. Just because Logic acts one way while sick doesn’t mean that Grave will act the same. People are different. The sick thing (as you pointed out) is a weak argument for getting you lynched. And then he says Grave’s argument for lynching aa-dono was weak. This post isn’t scummy, but I don’t like it. #783 Kit: Correcto. But no townread for you yet, Kit. #784 Claire: Either he is very desperate to paint me as a "newbie" Ahem. _Claire_ said: 1. It was day 1 phase?? Do you expect me to come out with awesome reasoning? As you may have noticed I am a newbie :/ But that doesn’t really tell me anything. >.> She basically contradicted filler arguments. |
Nov 29, 2016 9:48 AM
#26
I’m not quite caught up to this point yet (Stopped at Post #785 last night) but I want to comment on this post. Nothing scummy, but more flawed reasoning. #874 Ruu said: She’s making association assumptions again. I've got a few points to make of this:and with that we know that coro is town and is safe.... thanks for the help grrr ;) 1. She (if town) does not know for sure that Grrr is scum. 2. If Grrr is scum, he could be trying to confuse people considering he is prime suspect going into D3. 3. If Grrr is town, he could be making random guesses like how he predicted who would win the game. Or this may be a joke post that I’m taking too seriously. It’s hard to tell. ._. I'll wait until our new member(s) arrive before catching up. Edit: Another thing I thought of: 4. Mafia can kill whoever they want to. It won't matter if someone guesses who dies in-thread. |
Nov 29, 2016 10:30 AM
#27
Gruffin said: Is Jack usually distraught after a single mislynch? This is the first time I've played with Jack, I wouldn't know. Ah, if you don't already know, this is only my second game and my first one as town. I'm still working on a D2 catch-up post, so I can't really give any opinions on it yet. I can be pretty distraught I put a lot of work into this as well which is why I was distraught, I can post the stuff from my club here if you want. Even though most is likely wrong, I can't deal with so many people not trying it makes me go off meta which I'm really not good with. I was wrong on the second day but they was so many bad things from Grave i could not ignore it. |
Nov 29, 2016 10:37 AM
#28
Jackrito said: Gruffin said: Is Jack usually distraught after a single mislynch? This is the first time I've played with Jack, I wouldn't know. Ah, if you don't already know, this is only my second game and my first one as town. I'm still working on a D2 catch-up post, so I can't really give any opinions on it yet. I can be pretty distraught I put a lot of work into this as well which is why I was distraught, I can post the stuff from my club here if you want. Even though most is likely wrong, I can't deal with so many people not trying it makes me go off meta which I'm really not good with. I was wrong on the second day but they was so many bad things from Grave i could not ignore it. Please do. :> May as well post what you worked on. And yeah, I can see how you would be upset with that. |
Nov 29, 2016 10:48 AM
#29
I will say one thing Claire is 3rd party about 90% they are only going for grr becuase he is a easy lynch and meets thier quota. Denja is likely scum based off Luna been inactive they are good as town but they did nothing but fluff, also Denkax seemed to know that Astros was going to be a mislynch and their ploy about using 3rd party to town's adv is bad and something he would do as scum. Nothing he did was postive. I found everyone so bad the only person I would say is playing well is Logic at least he is trying everyone else is too happy to lynch grr. Rinto,Grr, and Soren lack of input in this game was literally driving me insane. I will post my post reads, this is not a read list moore my general thoughts on peoples posts I was going to come to a conclusion based off this and how today went. This town needs to get off the grr bandwagon though and think out the box my plan today was to make people active and push Denjax. |
Nov 29, 2016 10:58 AM
#30
@Astros, I'm sorry bro! The host told me to shush at night so I couldn't defend myself against the frame job I knew was coming, then I was replaced before day started. #salt =D Jackrito said: I will say one thing Claire is 3rd party about 90% they are only going for grr becuase he is a easy lynch and meets thier quota. Denja is likely scum based off Luna been inactive they are good as town but they did nothing but fluff, also Denkax seemed to know that Astros was going to be a mislynch and their ploy about using 3rd party to town's adv is bad and something he would do as scum. Nothing he did was postive. I found everyone so bad the only person I would say is playing well is Logic at least he is trying everyone else is too happy to lynch grr. Rinto,Grr, and Soren lack of input in this game was literally driving me insane. I will post my post reads, this is not a read list moore my general thoughts on peoples posts I was going to come to a conclusion based off this and how today went. This town needs to get off the grr bandwagon though and think out the box my plan today was to make people active and push Denjax. I dunno, I got the feeling that logic is hiding sth, he's either a powerful townie or TPR imo, he could still be mafia but I'm not sure. He was very adament at lynching me on D2. Soren is not town or he's being incredibly bad this game as town, I said it but no one went back and looked at my posts, he came back d1, accused me and gruffin of being scum then kept his vote on aa-dono... wtf Then you have coro, I said it right before day 1 ended, I told her I was suspicious of her and I think that's why I was framed >_> As for claire, she's been after grr since d1 so I think she might be town or TPR. Could be mafia but I'm not sure why she would try to lynch grr if he's town, that would just make her look bad. She could be going for the "I'm town because I was super focused on my target" but that's not the best mafia move, you guys said she was good. Rinto, denja, kit.... all inactive and could very well be the mafia team. Ruu and phraze I'm not even trying to read atm, because of how confusing and poor their town game was in my previous game with them. |
grave_robberNov 29, 2016 11:03 AM
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Nov 29, 2016 11:04 AM
#31
Day one thoughts on people eadlist one. Before I start this properly since so many people disliked Grave's color question why did you all answer? _Claire_ - Comes in late, gives selfmeta which is true and mentions being a potential mslynch target this can be seen as too much self awarness. I like their point on Grr after as well, defends me in it then shades the hell out of me and how not to trust me.anyone else I would call this bad but with Claire I'm used to it. I like thier next point on how scum won't make many mistakes this is true. The train theory by Claire worries me, this is a good way to push a mislynch, by been vague, this can also be used as town to gather info though. Wants action and for trains to be build not random votes I like this. i hope they explain thier theory later on because using it too much as a reason. Tries to get grave to join train I don't like how eager they are. Uses old scum games as defense not a big fan of this, shows doubt on Coro which is ok, i do like how they say Coro should not reveal thier scum game because Coro can use it later this shows confidence. Claire next big post I agree with all the points in the first part, their lack of wanting to vote change annoys me though since it is a narrow view which they are still doing,I like their point on Grr. Part of me wonders if this is the 3rd party. Claire later defends reasons for actions to make train which are decent and want s to move game foward. I do wonder if gamabler had night 0 prediction because it feels like it and Claire is it. Say's Soren is worse then dono in hidesight they are right the lynch on dono was stupid by me,. Next they go for Logic at 357 this comes off as defensive which I can see her doing more as town. Defends Grave to Phraze at 364 this rubs me the wrong way. Kit- Early fluff then disappears, comes back and questions Grr on prediction, I like their 124, it shows fair doubt in me, but also understands my reason so not biased. Their thoughts list is at Thoughts list I like how they point out positivist of Gruffin and Grave, but also says can be faked, a bit of shade on Gruffin for been pushy, I think their like of Grave needed a bit more. Some dobyut on Ruu and Soren which is positive. Says me Rinto and Grr are answering questions, I disagree on Rinto annd find this a strange read. Little on rest. They dislike Claire's theory and see it as scummy, so want to see others thoughts, but then follows it this makes no sense. Gives reason, but sounds a bit fake. also since they say reason is because grr is not answering a question but eariler said grr was, this is a contradiction. They did eariler want Grr to answer and pinged them to be fair, but this means thoughts were wrong then. Kit's post I find it strange how they say Grave was UTR when Grave was most active this seems like a distance attempt, Soren interaction is too friendly, i like their question to Claire, catch up post at 359 great logic340 - First real post is 171 they like Kit early on and me, not sure on Grave. I find it strange how no mention of Gruffin who more active then me and Kit. Also thinks grr and Soren have a town mindset I disagree. Mini reads my reply They pressure Soren more which is good Claire's theory I like this post it shows they won't be led by others, and vote with reason, possible protect of Grr but i doubt it. It holds true to what I see from them. Debates with Claire a lot I see this more as town v town though. A slight defend of grr at 385 but I see this more as trying to find out mindset and get info. [b][size=150]grrr- Early push on Claire, did not sound like a rvs vote. Made prediction of mafia win, why do this. His vote and reason on me was poor, would call it scummy but Grr is strange. On 118 brings predictions back up not sure why, looked like intent to shade Soren, but never did Rinto-kun- fluff on colors, when asked thoughts on predictions gave their own not helpful. Strange post avoids another Question by Grave on prediction, then talked about pressure claims for no reason, not sure why when they never apply pressure. Comments on own scummy posts, did this when scum with me last game. I dislike it because takes heat and pressure off by doubting oneself Soren - OMGUS vote on Dono did not change this even when on later, I hate the prediction. some brief questions on events. did defend Ruu on Policy lynch issue, this is not scummy but stands out. Soren comes back far later, Asks a question to me and Grave one on Grave with colors is fair one on me on ways to deal with inactives also ok. Then he shades Grave early game heavy I agree but he does similar a lot his prediction thing a example, says Gruffin defended him when it was me he defended, this shows Soren was not paying attention so bad. He also did not answer my reply why bother asking then, points out Kit's read list is wrong, I hate when people do this but lacking a lot themselfs. Talks about own prediction and how it surprised him the outcome, he is still adding nothing here. Knows he will miss phase change but does not change vote, or even talk about votes and the lynch, he cares more about others then he does about finding scum. He does this when scum as shown by Hidimari, the only push was on Grave, which reminds me of him in that game when he only pushed Crossbell Ruu- Posted straight after gruffin asked Grave about them, maybe lurking. Questions scumreads on Claire, this can come from lack of understanding which looks town,depending on Claire flip can be seen as bad. had no reads, which is fair and weary of random lynch which is good. 152 starts off a bit fluff comemnts on me and Grr is pretty fair, calls me town and grr unsure, My issue is this is their only reads surely they would have more. Pushes people to be active this can be fake though. Wants to pressure Grr I like this, Their way to disprove own weak role hint I like as scum they would not mind this and run with it, the fact they cared about the 3rd party thing would come more from town then scum imo. Defends self to grave at 380 it is a decent post and matches up with early posts Phraze - Had a late start at 232 to look at the post, thier anoyance at a RVS alerts me and accusation on Logic when he had reasons unfair. Their views on meta, are very double standard. I don't like the thing about been a easy mislynch not needed to point out this early. Reasons to Vote Claire or lack of are poor a counterwagon is not always the best thing this could be them protecting Grr. Pus on Claire saying they are trying too hard in RVS I disagree with this and looks like weak shade. Jumps on soren's shade on Grave, adds in more self meta. Changes vote to Grave at 355 looks k and I agree with it after reread. Luna DenjaX - Luna was fluff central, still fluff by 116 says voted Claire to get a convo going and read them,need to check if this happened. grave_robber Astros- Starts off by asking about players they don't know, I like this because shows interest in player base can be used as away to find easy though. Calls me out I expect this and like it because wants me to be active. Has a early push on Dono Moves onto color discussion this is a good icebreaker but why not start with this? This carried on too long as well. The way Gruffin townread this still annoys me. Starts to get into game at 103 by giving meta read on Ruu Ruu read , needed to be asked though, the answer is a lot of words just to come to a neutral read this catches my eye. Goes back to fluff but questions grr on plans, I like this because a lack of grr plan is bad. Puts doubt on Gruffin from old game i understand why though. Inactive callout Calls out Kit and Logic, I find is strange why only them, Logic was not here at all but Kit had done about same as some others. Says loves to suspect me and does suspect ,me but never outright talk to me or call me out. Comes back at Return post Gives some doubts on Grr but then puts it down to them been Grr i did this as well so can't complain Reasons on Kit's Question to Dono, I like this because this comes form a Grave town mindset.a lot of paranoia. post to Dono is aggressive but this is Graves play style, their annoyance at been misquoted i get. Next points on dono been lacking i agree with, also their view on Dono voting me for bad reasons I agree with it is a big push on Dono but I did same to disagree with this makes me a hypocrite. I'm not sure how I became in her top 3 though with Grr, since we are both neutral to her. next big post This messes me up a lot, since in this post she says happy with vote on Kit, but last post said want to vote was Dono, me and Grr. I like thier points on Grr though. Their want to vote Soren,Dono, and Rinto is a vast change from last post me and Grr are gone and Rinto and Soren are in. This looks like a list of easy mislynches hate this post. A lot of VCA then votes Rinto I can get behind reasons Next post First point is very strange, and it annoys me, just seems to be annoyance at Grr more then anything, 2 point I don't really get at all, 3 is not revelant, 4 Not sure why she saw this as positive, 5 is valid. Dono vote This annoys me since they vote Dono off my reasons not their own, which they had shown, this makes me feel they are setting me up, Calls out kit again could maybe be scum buddies, same with Rinto This is the a slipup here grave's slipup Here she accuses Dono of not voting and been stuck in RVS the issue here is, she liked my reasons on dono but did not know Dono was voting me not possible, since this was a main point. This shows she did not read my reasons only the vote and wanted to set me up. They is a 9 post gap no way she forgot. Graves's second mistake Here she says she just noticed the vote change, yet more evidence she did not read my post. Graves next big post posts on Ruu appear forced, logic post is ok I guess, The Soren interaction is intresting they both did the same thing and both have reasons they won't say yeah I bet. The Rage at Soren looks fake to me she would be more mad at this then is shown. grave is yet again appling pressure on dono, it just feels bad this post she seems certain Dono is bad, but at end mentions inactives and doubts, this does not match up with first half. Reply to dono This is a bad reply dono explained herself fine and makes sense why she did not vote, Clear that Grave did not care at this point. reply to me yet again she is clearly not reading fully, I never mentioned sorens thing on why I suspected her, tried to get dono to claim I think this was because she wanted a role and then flip lynch on grr. Finally she vote changes to grr in last min I think she mistimed this and it would of made a tie, Grave would not make a tie willingly as town, the change to grr also makes no sense. I see this as a way to frame me and Claire at same time if both flipped town. Also puts blame on lurkers. coromandel - did some early fluff, comes into game proper at 206, notices change in Grr, and confuses them I agree with this, I don't like how they feel a need to say they are town though, feels unneeded . Point on Claire train attempt is fair and I like them questioning Gruffins unvote and ping of Next post Seems to towmread Grr I sort of get it, their points on Claire make sense. a lot on voting but they use this as prime source of scum hunting so makes sense. Wants to pressure Soren which is good, then Votes like it. Coro views wanting people active , I like it and their question on logic is good. Changes to Gruffin in last 10 and defends dono the vote makes sense and so does defense of dono Off topic since Dead but Gruffin townreads on Soren for prediction been valid and they gave reason for prediction which is a lie, also says Grave was moving game forward which is also wrong. Both reads are wrong and make me question them. which makes night kill stand out to me. Day 2 _Claire_ GRR push This grr push starts again, I don't like the doubt on me for not joing lynch i don't agree with it all feels narrow minded. I disagree with this, if you are going to die claim, it will put pressure on limit but lesses chance of mislynch, biy on trust seems defensive. Tries to convince to vote grr a lot I don't like this push still View on grave This is pretty good, why not change to Grave/Astros here it seems you have good reason, goest back to grr 584 not much to say on this anymore. annoyed at phraxze accusation and defends view on me this is a true view, says Phraze defended grr day one is this true i need to check. Claire annyoyance I see this as frusation leaning town, because of their points and Phraze making stuff up, I don't like how she points out my reason for b=voting Dono on RVS I never once mentioned it. Kit Death reaction I can't help but to see this as fake, and the thing about janitor should be obv,So why mention it potential derp check. Reaction to logic This can be seen as a bit defensive to been suspected, points on lack of view on Claire and grr is valid though. [url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1571860&show=500#msg48734594[ another post wanting a explanation from Logic and connection to Grr and Claire why does this bother them so much, Were they this paranoid in CCL. 3rd post on topic this is a bit much now. defends their vote of grr Their point on grr is fair but why does this worry me still I need a grr flip, because it gives me a view on Kit and Claire. Last part seems like a town appeal need to come back to t rhis are they working out the game. Readlist Some reads in this worry me, Soren made decent contribution when?, not sure how Rinto is so good and Grr is bad here, also Rinto did not answer questions, read on Claire is strange and not true scum need theroys to hide behind. Read on Ruu is too high as well votes Grr This tells me nothing until grr flip but looks weak, back to eariler point is this working game out. Shade on Grave This is ok at the time 3rd party view says that a lynch on 3rd not worst thing and do want to hunt scum first. Diagrees agree with Denjax Matches up with my view and is a town view. gets defensive The want to prove themselfs worries me push on Soren I like this post and it is revelant and on point, Soren could be a mislynch but I can't blame people for voting him if he is town. distant from grave lynch no reason why apart from setup potential with all the evidence this just seems like distance. Denja view This could be true. after lynch post is pretty bad logic340 - Suspects kit early reasons why here Kit view I agree with this view and makes me worried about kit. readlist I don't like this defense of grr at all, yet again grr flip helps push on me it is fair enough I guess, reply to me I don't like the misquote on done a lot it is took out of context, points on the dono lynch fair, last bit bothers me personally, next couple of posts in a row are decent and show townmind set. more on me It is fair and i understand their thoughts. view on scum strats This is a pretty good answer and comes froma town mind followed by frusation at 574 which I see as town. soren push Tries to get Soren active i like this and questions asked, did similar on 566 Leaves me alobe This shows he is thinking about the game and wanting to move foward. Info push on Claire Trying to move game foward again. readlist update Not really impressive, but shows current mindset I guess, not really seeing kit and Ruu postives thoug, Vote on Rinto I like this it is shadeing but more annoyance at unhelpful player Unvotes Grave I don't like the reasons at all for this, they like Denja posts which one? attack on soren I like this shows frusation at soren's lack of effort a couple of posts behind it are goon on Claire inactives I like this view it is clear frustration at people not trying this is either town or a really good act. underwhelming part used for the second time this is a harsh thing to say and would only come from disappointment grrr Comes in at self defense this is so bad and so are future posts, says we can lynch him Grave is town sure lets go, shades claire town reads Coro, shows fear of ruu this looks so fake. I just want them dead now. scum claim? Rinto-kun Rinto's return Why won't questions move game foward, calls out people for not scumhunting, votes grr train much and then says he does not want to die. Worst post of the game maybe, posts down says he won't scum hunt because can't then critics more, then calls me out wtf. number time Oh my god what is this it is not simple maths time, also yet againtalks about need to hunt scum does not comes after called what is the point in this he has exp so this view is bad, [uts shade on both trains but does not vote. after this he votes Grave after preffering grr vote before and tries to look town in post with it, then changes to grr ok. Soren- prediction result Won't explain thanks for that, follows this with a weak vote for grr. admits Passive play ok thanks for this how about some more. first decent post This defense annoys me though because he missed the point of my post and only pointed out the things to make me look bad, the wy he put me down seems to show he knew the flip and I was wrong whatever. This is his only scum read why the change. more criticsm Strange how first half decent thing he does is self defense goo town view here. more discredit on me [/url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1571860&show=750#msg48746988] more defense [/url] it is clear the reason I'm annoyed is his lack of play not his defense so why point this out. askk on flip Now this annoys me a lot why ask this, if Grave flips bad he has buried a grave here, if not he looks town, he does not take this risl unless he knows the flip which means scum. more defense First part is strange why ask it you know why, 2 part is weak reasons I expect Soren to have more to townread and defend someone this much apart from meta and false reasons, like donod RVS voting and posts,he also shades me blaming me for graves vote Ruu- Ruu death reaction Similar to Kit this reaction feels forced the use of something from a read list on their towniness looks good could they of had a readlist as scum though. Why did they point out Phraze scum interaction? read list I need second half of this. buddy up with Kit This looks like a buddy up attempt is it scum to town or scum to scum Votes Astros No real reason here, i disagree on reads on Phraze and Kit as well. Ruu view on meta on me Claire's tunneling is a good point, shade on grave I'm noticeing a pattern now of Ruu and kit doing the same thing all the time. RVS explained They explain how to get out of RVS did they do this Mentions lurkers espically Soren I agree, does not vote does this mean two town train. distance post I don't like this seems to be taking a backseat Phraze First post This post is a bit scummy, bit on Gruffin sounds like they were scared of them figureing them out, bit on late vote I don't buy it. Based off posts straight after pretty sure they don't understand meta. view on day one I don't like been compared to Soren in this, the rest of it is bit convoluted and based on speculation, not sure how I'm scum with Claire but not on same team, then votes Claire On grr train Here they agree trains a re bad, and try to shade me and claire this goes back to a previous defense on grrm and they also try to convince coro to unvote grr, if Grr is scum this is a buddy, next post a bit down they call me 3rd party I have no idea where this came from and I'm helping mafia does this not require me to know mafia? Next uses false info on claire supporting dono lynch to link us which is false. more on Claire Here they question th eplan and say that Grr has been better this game, more defense here. Questions my vote I don't quite get it though. Phraze pushes Claire more First point here is wrong and 3rd is false because Claire was not under threat at all. Phrazes annoyance First point is fair why did they mention logic though , the theroy view though is wrong as I do this when town.Second weak shade on me, 3rd is also wrong this is not a bad or scum move. defends grr again Here they try to shade me Claire and Grave, I need a grr flip. shade central They shade half the players in the game here, but town read Ruu, is this the scum team. Then they try to pocket me and force me to scum read grave not sure how Grave and Claire on same team? same as above praises me while pushing me to Grave. next post a bit later Vote on grr How did Grave not become a target and they vote grr who they have defended all game?. is this setting me up, also Coro is a solid town but they shaded them eariler this readlist does not mtch rest of game, next post calls grr lesser of evils why vote Grave then Phraze flip How are they not calling Claire tricky here their whole voting on them was off that, I'm scummy again and Clair is town??. Later same page flip Ok they change vote to Grave again why? and Claire is scummy again ok. DenjaX late entry Getting role late I don't buy it, Based om Ruu reaction to them I doubt this is a scum combo, next post is disliking train which is either Astros or grr at this point. Vote Votes Ruu reason a bit poor but not uptpdate to be fair, says dono train build natrual based on flips it looks true, strange they notice it though. Denja plan This plan is far too risky and only benefits scum, I don't like how much they want them alive, This seems like a denjax scum plan. on Grr I like this apart from vote on RUU. denja post This looks so bad seems he expects it to backfire. coromandel Calls out the inactives again, seems to want to move game foward. VCA I need this for my own benefit, depending on grr phraze looks bad here, attempt at town rep? Grr vote I have no issue with this, if grr is scum coro unlikely a buddy. Above post on Grave decent no matter the flip coro next big post all of this is pretty town, another call out to inactives Reasons on grave This is all good and I agree we were both wrong but still good reasons. This is followed by more Grave push I can't see scum coro been this certain. changes vote She makes herself look bad if scum off this so why do it, makes town read stronger, calls out Rinto again A lot of this is likely wrong and me tunneling but low content forced me to be over crital this sort of scum hunting is not my thing, I perfer to be proactive and work off gut reads, but this game was so bad I had to try a different approach. Also people should really claim in last 10. |
Nov 29, 2016 11:24 AM
#32
@Jackrito, I read your post, but maybe you all forgot that I am sick? having a headache + fever and trying to focus on a game that requires quite a bit of effort and time. As for this post: #2 coro was saying she had a town-ish read on grrr, I only had a neutral read on either of you at the time and I found it weird that she thought he was town just because of he "caught" that "suspicious" post you made and voted for you. As for the color question, it wasn't just an ice breaker -_- What color is envy? green what's my favorite color? teal Luna knows it and soren knows it, luna didn't say anything so I couldn't get a read on her, soren used the color question against me which made think he was anti-town. Along with him not changing his vote despite questioning me and gruffin. However, I admit that I have some pent up aggression towards you and soren and that's why I avoided you both. I think you know why I feel that way. Jack, the reason I became unsure of the aa-dono lynch last minute is that everyone seemed happy with the status quo, that's always cause for alarm, if the mafia are happy with the lynch, then it's wrong. The other option was grr and it wouldn't have been a tie, grr would have been lynched and that would have made claire's alignment quite clear. I did read you posts and you did agree with soren that if gruffin flipped scum then I would be scum, you said you would lynch me next if gruffin flipped scum. Whatever, this town is lazy and they're letting the mafia do what they want. >_> Grrr's prediction is gonna be spot on, and of course the townies have less votes, this is why I said the game should be run before it's played. there you go, double vote is dead and now the game can break easily. |
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Nov 29, 2016 11:26 AM
#33
And for the record, aa-dono admitted that her vote wasn't random, that she deliberately threw shade on us and other players, that she was accusing soren of being scum based on RNG and a post he made at sign ups. She never claimed or provided analysis of other players. She only voted you for a dumb reason imo and she was just very anti-town. I don't regret lynching her. |
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Nov 29, 2016 11:36 AM
#34
Something bothering me is the only people I could find somewhat scummy posts on were Ruu, Logic, and Jack. Jack's dead and town, and I remember him saying something about townies being more likely to make scummy posts. So crud. Ughhh there's just so many inactives that the scum can just float their way to victory here. (ಥ_ಥ) Ninja janitor's still alive so they can't be caught easily with claims endgame. Edit: Maybe I should start looking for townie posts too and try to figure something out that way. |
Nov 29, 2016 11:44 AM
#35
I think maybe the RB stopped the janitor, I don't think they wanted Jack's role to be known. Early game is the best time to steal roles, no one is sure who to role block or vig kill, no one's made clear hints or claimed their role. Ruu's not looking good tbh but again, I'm mostly ignoring her now. If it's the lurkers, I will not be happy. Whoever it is, they have some experience, the was I was framed, which way lame and obvious imo, was done through killing you gruffin, the aa-dono and the color question, I could have easily defended, but your kill, that's a double play I've done before. "The I'm being framed therefore I am town" act combined with the "why would I kill the person you just linked me to and draw suspicion to myself" act. I can't believe this lame frame job worked so well >_> I wouldn't have gone the way I did on aa-dono if I were mafia, I have much better skills as mafia than to do that in such an obvious way, that alone should have prevented coro from voting me, that's another reason I'll be surprised if she flips town. The 1st reason being her reaction to claire around the end of the 1st day and her desire to follow my lead, why would she trust me d1? especially if she didn't agree with my way of thinking on aa-dono. It was creepy -_- |
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Nov 29, 2016 11:51 AM
#36
grave_robber said: @Jackrito, I read your post, but maybe you all forgot that I am sick? having a headache + fever and trying to focus on a game that requires quite a bit of effort and time. As for this post: #2 coro was saying she had a town-ish read on grrr, I only had a neutral read on either of you at the time and I found it weird that she thought he was town just because of he "caught" that "suspicious" post you made and voted for you. As for the color question, it wasn't just an ice breaker -_- What color is envy? green what's my favorite color? teal Luna knows it and soren knows it, luna didn't say anything so I couldn't get a read on her, soren used the color question against me which made thin he was anti-town. However, I admit that I have some pent up aggression towards you and soren and that's why I avoided you both. I think you know why I feel that way. Jack, the reason I became unsure of the aa-dono lynch last minute is that everyone seemed happy with the status quo, that's always cause for alarm, if the mafia are happy with the lynch, then it's wrong. The other option was grr and it wouldn't have been a tie, grr would have been lynched and that would have made claire's alignment quite clear. I did read you posts and you did agree with soren that if gruffin flipped scum that I would be scum, you said you would lynch me next if gruffin flipped scum. Whatever, this town is lazy and they're letting the mafia do what they want. >_> Grrer's prediction is gonna be spot on. and of course the townies have less votes, this is why I said the game should be run before it's played. there you go, double vote is dead and now the game can break easily. First point is fair just how much you were trying in other areas made me forget that,Thanks for explain the second part. I never had much issue with the colour question Soren pointing out felt shallow though based off their own content. Yeah I know you do, I would of preferred you use to that though which is more your normal style, I can agree with the thing on grr, you did it so late though it threw me because you still seemed pretty certain on Dono at the time. I never agreed with Soren that much, and Gruffin thing was just off hand and not serious. I agree on town this is so bad. The game won't break easily we are in this bad position because of our own bad play and inactives. |
Nov 29, 2016 11:58 AM
#37
grave_robber said: I think maybe the RB stopped the janitor, I don't think they wanted Jack's role to be known. Early game is the best time to steal roles, no one is sure who to role block or vig kill, no one's made clear hints or claimed their role. I thought Jack's role reveal was weird too for those reasons. Do you think there's a chance the RB could figure this out themselves? Ruu's not looking good tbh but again, I'm mostly ignoring her now. If it's the lurkers, I will not be happy. Whoever it is, they have some experience, the was I was framed, which way lame and obvious imo, was done through killing you gruffin, the aa-dono and the color question, I could have easily defended, but your kill, that's a double play I've done before. "The I'm being framed therefore I am town" act combined with the "why would I kill the person you just linked me to and draw suspicion to myself" act. I can't believe this lame frame job worked so well >_> Ah yeah. That's could be a reason. I wouldn't have gone the way I did on aa-dono if I were mafia, I have much better skills as mafia than to do that in such an obvious way, that alone should have prevented coro from voting me, that's another reason I'll be surprised if she flips town. The 1st reason being her reaction to claire around the end of the 1st day and her desire to follow my lead, why would she trust me d1? especially if she didn't agree with my way of thinking on aa-dono. It was creepy -_- Didn't someone bring that point up in-thread? (referring to your skill as mafia) Coro's been under the radar for me all game. I wouldn't be surprised if they're scum. >.> |
Nov 29, 2016 11:59 AM
#38
Jackrito said: I agree on town this is so bad. The game won't break easily we are in this bad position because of our own bad play and inactives. I think at least 1 of the mafia is lurking. Logic is soo bad imo, I just can't see any decent town effort from him, problem is kit's not doing much either. But Logic is scummier and they way he flipped on kit as soon both gruffin and I called them out D1 makes me think he's scared of being lynched. What if the mafia are phraze, Ruu and Rinto? AKA the lurker bunch... I would be so bummed. I don't think it is though. My normal style is the nice kind of aggressive, right? =/ |
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Nov 29, 2016 12:06 PM
#39
Jackrito said: Gruffin thing was just off hand and not serious. I agree on town this is so bad. The game won't break easily we are in this bad position because of our own bad play and inactives. I was somewhat suspecting you for that. :P Town was doomed from the start, even if we didn't realize it. ._. So many inactives and the actives either didn't know what they were doing (Me) were thrown off by lack of content (Jack) or victims of a frame job (Grave/Astros). grave_robber said: Jackrito said: I agree on town this is so bad. The game won't break easily we are in this bad position because of our own bad play and inactives. I think at least 1 of the mafia is lurking. Logic is soo bad imo, I just can't see any decent town effort from him, problem is kit's not doing much either. But Logic is scummier and they way he flipped on kit as soon both gruffin and I called them out D1 makes me think he's scared of being lynched. What if the mafia are phraze, Ruu and Rinto? AKA the lurker bunch... I would be so bummed. I don't think it is though. My normal style is the nice kind of aggressive, right? =/ What do you think of my post #14 here? I pointed something out about Logic there I found really weird. Pls no on that scumteam. >.< Any mix of Phraze/Ruu/Rinto/Soren/Grrr would just upset me. |
Nov 29, 2016 12:08 PM
#40
Gruffin said: I thought Jack's role reveal was weird too for those reasons. Do you think there's a chance the RB could figure this out themselves? I hope this is the case and I hope they figure it out. The way Kit (was it?) just sprung out of nowhere and said coro could be bad, makes me think Kit's the RB and they stopped coro. Or I hope they are Ah yeah. That's could be a reason. Ah, I didn't mean it like that, you definitely posed a threat and killing you was sth they needed to do before you could prove your towniness and gain even more trust. Didn't someone bring that point up in-thread? (referring to your skill as mafia) Coro's been under the radar for me all game. I wouldn't be surprised if they're scum. >.> Did they? I haven't read the game thread since I was replaced, only the few posts around the phase changes. *sighs* I will never understand why people would immediately lynch/vig kill someone who just replaced another player. Especially when I said I was looking for a replacement long before people starting mud flinging me. ugh, soren and his double standards! I'm never gonna let him live this down, giving me flak over things he and others do, saying I'm bad for doing them. -_- [insert grudge related pic here] |
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Nov 29, 2016 12:14 PM
#41
grave_robber said: Jackrito said: I agree on town this is so bad. The game won't break easily we are in this bad position because of our own bad play and inactives. I think at least 1 of the mafia is lurking. Logic is soo bad imo, I just can't see any decent town effort from him, problem is kit's not doing much either. But Logic is scummier and they way he flipped on kit as soon both gruffin and I called them out D1 makes me think he's scared of being lynched. What if the mafia are phraze, Ruu and Rinto? AKA the lurker bunch... I would be so bummed. I don't think it is though. My normal style is the nice kind of aggressive, right? =/ I disagree on Logic he is trying and they is def town effort, Kit is doing ok nothing amazing I had some doubts but mostly town. On the three Phraze is confuseing but they did this as twonin last game possible scum but not the worst, Ruu could be a scum some of their posts are redflags to me at times, Rinto is always like this and I want him dead either way, I think Denja is def scum personally. It can be lol it shows your effort and I like it. |
Nov 29, 2016 12:19 PM
#42
grave_robber said: Gruffin said: I thought Jack's role reveal was weird too for those reasons. Do you think there's a chance the RB could figure this out themselves? I hope this is the case and I hope they figure it out. The way Kit (was it?) just sprung out of nowhere and said coro could be bad, makes me think Kit's the RB and they stopped coro. Or I hope they are Ah yeah. That's could be a reason. Ah, I didn't mean it like that, you definitely posed a threat and killing you was sth they needed to do before you could prove your towniness and gain even more trust. Didn't someone bring that point up in-thread? (referring to your skill as mafia) Coro's been under the radar for me all game. I wouldn't be surprised if they're scum. >.> Did they? I haven't read the game thread since I was replaced, only the few posts around the phase changes. *sighs* I will never understand why people would immediately lynch/vig kill someone who just replaced another player. Especially when I said I was looking for a replacement long before people starting mud flinging me. ugh, soren and his double standards! I'm never gonna let him live this down, giving me flak over things he and others do, saying I'm bad for doing them. -_- [insert grudge related pic here] I don't think Coro has been that under the radar hard to tell tbh compared to the other inactives it seems she is doing a lot and is postive in my view, could be wrong, I find myself townreading a bit just off effort which is bad, hate this town. Soren is the main person that defended you look at my Soren read on day 2 posts, I posted in here. The way he did this after the double standards on you throws me a lot, and makes me think he is scum, he seemed to know your flip and was trying to discredit me. |
Nov 29, 2016 12:21 PM
#43
@grave_robber Ah, I didn't mean it like that, you definitely posed a threat and killing was sth they needed to do before you could prove your towniness and gain even more trust. Don't worry about it. I don’t take offense to being killed off for that reason. xD It’s simply another possibility. Did they? I haven't read the game thread since I was replaced, only the few posts around the phase changes. *sighs* I will never understand why people would immediately lynch/vig kill someone who just replaced another player. Especially when I said I was looking for a replacement long before people starting mud flinging me. ugh, soren and his double standards! I'm never gonna let him live this down, giving me flak over things he and others do, saying I'm bad for doing them. -_- [insert grudge related pic here] I think so. Lemme see if I can fetch that post. Yeahhh...They could have at least given Astros a chance to catch up and show his stances. I was wanting to give him a chance D2 and instead focus on pressuring Logic. Lol, that’s part of why I had a scumlean on Soren N1. He kept pestering me about my comment that you were edging the thread out of RVS around EoD when he himself did nothing to help get out of RVS! |
Nov 29, 2016 12:25 PM
#44
Gruffin said: What do you think of my post #14 here? I pointed something out about Logic there I found really weird. Pls no on that scumteam. >.< Any mix of Phraze/Ruu/Rinto/Soren/Grrr would just upset me. Not just his read on you, his read on kit when we called them out for lurking, reading these posts just now, I see he lied and said I accused rinto of not answering a question when it wasn't asked, you clearly asked the question and when rinto tried to avoid it, I explained to them that you were asking abut sth else and then you highlighted that post and Rinto tan away. Logic is defending Rinto, Ruu seems to be defending logic, soren and Rinto in her so-called read/analysis. Funny how she just picked a few names and ignored everyone else. No one has asked all the players to post a read list or provided a real unbiased one, Coro's VCA is null and provides no useful or analytical info. If she's town (Which I doubt), she's either not back reading/skipping posts or she's completely lost and only posting this so people wouldn't suspect her. FYI, d2 I was going to go after coro and soren. Soren mostly to defend myself since I doubt people would vote for someone who isn't active and coro because she made me suspect her. If they go for Denjax, logic or coro/soren tday, it would be good imo. Denja's might only be informative if VCA is done right, the others will definitely be informative lynches. |
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Nov 29, 2016 12:33 PM
#45
grave_robber said: Gruffin said: What do you think of my post #14 here? I pointed something out about Logic there I found really weird. Pls no on that scumteam. >.< Any mix of Phraze/Ruu/Rinto/Soren/Grrr would just upset me. Not just his read on you, his read on kit when we called them out for lurking, reading these posts just now, I see he lied and said I accused rinto of not answering a question when it wasn't asked, you clearly asked the question and when rinto tried to avoid it, I explained to them that you were asking abut sth else and then you highlighted that post and Rinto tan away. Logic is defending Rinto, Ruu seems to be defending logic, soren and Rinto in her so-called read/analysis. Funny how she just picked a few names and ignored everyone else. No one has asked all the players to post a read list or provided a real unbiased one, Coro's VCA is null and provides no useful or analytical info. If she's town (Which I doubt), she's either not back reading/skipping posts or she's completely lost and only posting this so people wouldn't suspect her. FYI, d2 I was going to go after coro and soren. Soren mostly to defend myself since I doubt people would vote for someone who isn't active and coro because she made me suspect her. If they go for Denjax, logic or coro/soren tday, it would be good imo. Denja's might only be informative if VCA is done right, the others will definitely be informative lynches. I wish you never repped out, I feel you could of got me off my tunnel on you, I need people to bounnce ideas off so I don''t do this, a inactive game makes me go crazy, I agree with your list on people apart from logic, I think Ruu is pretty bad as well their lack of vote end of day 2 looked like distance from both trains, so I want to see grr flip but part of me thinks it is a mislynch and should of been done eariler. I'm also annoyed Gruffin died since I would of liked to interact with them more. |
Nov 29, 2016 12:45 PM
#46
-_- Jackrito said: Just because Grave once had a good scum game does not mean she always will, -_- Excuse you, if I were scum, you wouldn't know what hit you till the game was over. |
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Nov 29, 2016 12:50 PM
#47
Well, I am still sick, and I don't have much time or energy to play tbh. Last game I ignored a lot of posts and it made me catch on to the bad guy rather late. You can't do much if town is inactive. I dunno about soren now, maybe it's because he's stroking my ego there but he might be just too busy and trying to raise point that others can use to lynch bad guys while he's away. Anyway, good night everyone! |
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Nov 29, 2016 12:50 PM
#48
grave_robber said: -_- Jackrito said: Just because Grave once had a good scum game does not mean she always will, -_- Excuse you, if I were scum, you wouldn't know what hit you till the game was over. I'm not taking that back anyone can have a bad game, especially if not been scum for a while and ill. |
Nov 29, 2016 12:55 PM
#49
grave_robber said: Well, I am still sick, and I don't have much time or energy to play tbh. Last game I ignored a lot of posts and it made me catch on to the bad guy rather late. You can't do much if town is inactive. I dunno about soren now, maybe it's because he's stroking my ego there but he might be just too busy and trying to raise point that others can use to lynch bad guys while he's away. Anyway, good night everyone! Even if Soren was busy I would expect a bit more, and he is not really bringing up points to lynch people later the only real thing he did was defend you, which can show he knows your side. He is not been helpful to his fellow playes and just annoying them, he has only been active when I accused him, apart from that just random questions and criticism |
Nov 29, 2016 5:25 PM
#50
I can see town losing here, they are tuneeling too much, this grr thing should not still be going on, why has no power role dealt with this, It is obv that Claire is 3rd party at this point and picked grr so stop listening to them. Denjax is speaking some sense but his early play with Luna still bothers me a lot and he seems too confident on grr and how much this train build every day and was countered by town makes me think grr is a scum target mislynch. He is creating far too much distance from this lynch. My read on Coro has dropped a lot she is a pretty passive player but the way she acted out under no pressure, was not right this is potnetial scum pressure getting to them, their VCA is really lacking as well and looks for show. I actually have no idea why Soren is this bad, his reasons are poor that he must make his town game worse to meet his bad scum game, that is madness it is borderline anti town and a selfish playstyle a bit since it is putting himself above team because he does not want pressure. Sadly I know he suffers from this view and is likely town even though he is playing terrible, his agruments are poor and only defends himself I would not blame town if they lynched him he does not deserve to live if not trying and playing to lowest potential. He says not to meta read him but is using meta on Grr which is wrong as well grr is just as bad when scum, no idea where he got this view on been serious. Rinto is still bad but he seems too scummy to be scum at this point but I could be wrong, Ruu lack of votes end of day 2 is really bad and used to create distance which is bad if both are town which I think, a couple of their posts seem forced lately as well like they are not sure what to do. Kit is playing decent I like their push on Coro but they need to build on it and stop this grr nonsense they also need to not defending soren so much it looks bad, because based off Soren play he should not be protected this much Overall A lot of town need to step up and come together this grr lynch is madness and only Logic seems to see it, I created a lot of issues in this game by myself been blinded in tunnels, so I accept a lot of blame if we lose but they need to stop doing the same mistakes and think out the box of inactives. |