Sound! Euphonium (light novel)
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MikeFromThe516 said: asaspades said: Kumiko and Shuuichi have no chemistry, and Kumiko barely even acknowledges his existence. The whole show has people finding the courage of their convictions, and it would feel contradictory to deny the sentiment she's vocalised since the first episode: that she has no interest in him. There's just no justification for them to have a relationship. Particularly that scene frustrated me, since Kumiko has generally given Shuuichi the cold shoulder; I would've thought she would be too proud to rely on him. The fact that he didn't know she didn't like scary things only made them seem more distant and less like childhood friends than ever. This. It makes no sense at all to me that all of a sudden she would rely on him like that. It came out of left field and it feels like its only there to satisfy the source material. This show is in my top ten rn but I'll be crushed if they end up pairing them. It will sour the whole show for me, and its honestly infuriating. Why introduce all this fucking subtext? You are just wasting our time. My thoughts exactly. Don't waste my time with boring ass romance subplot with a guy no one, other then the original novel readers/fans, cares about. |
Flora92 said: MikeFromThe516 said: This. It makes no sense at all to me that all of a sudden she would rely on him like that. It came out of left field and it feels like its only there to satisfy the source material. This show is in my top ten rn but I'll be crushed if they end up pairing them. It will sour the whole show for me, and its honestly infuriating. Why introduce all this fucking subtext? You are just wasting our time. My thoughts exactly. Don't waste my time with boring ass romance subplot with a guy no one, other then the original novel readers/fans, cares about. The problem is also with those who are watching this anime for something that never really had any concrete foundation either. I hate to break it to you guys, but it's over. Things will only get bitter from here onward. @MikeFromThe516: Keep the first season in your top 10 and forget that season 2 ever happened. @asaspades: How does knowing whether she liked scary things or not make them close or not? I didn't even know until very recently that one of my childhood friends had acrophobia. It doesn't mean jack. We are still very close. More like best buddies. |
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| another great episode ,also asuka is cute in that costume , kumiko's voice when being scared and reina scaring kumiko.. and the MAID uniform FTW . and also we got to know more about Taki sensei's past .. |
Sumeragi_YuitoNov 9, 2016 11:43 PM
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shanimebib said: Flora92 said: My thoughts exactly. Don't waste my time with boring ass romance subplot with a guy no one, other then the original novel readers/fans, cares about. The problem is also with those who are watching this anime for something that never really had any concrete foundation either. I hate to break it to you guys, but it's over. Things will only get bitter from here onward. @MikeFromThe516: Keep the first season in your top 10 and forget that season 2 ever happened. @asaspades: How does knowing whether she liked scary things or not make them close or not? I didn't even know until very recently that one of my childhood friends had acrophobia. It doesn't mean jack. We are still very close. More like best buddies. Maybe, but at least Reina and Kumiko had chemistry, inspired each other and helped getting through emotionally hard times. It doesn't matter if their feelings are platonic or romantic- they still showed us how passionate can playing an instrument be, their interactions served a purpose. Shuuichi is either a background or is just there for romance (people start asking Kumiko questions about her feelings for him as soon as they see him and just wouldn't shut up about it). He's boring, whiny and doesn't have any confidence. Kumiko is not that full of energy to somehow make their relationship look interesting. I don't want to waste my time looking at them going on dates in silence. I would prefer listening to Asuka's euphonium solo instead. |
Flora92 said: shanimebib said: The problem is also with those who are watching this anime for something that never really had any concrete foundation either. I hate to break it to you guys, but it's over. Things will only get bitter from here onward. @MikeFromThe516: Keep the first season in your top 10 and forget that season 2 ever happened. @asaspades: How does knowing whether she liked scary things or not make them close or not? I didn't even know until very recently that one of my childhood friends had acrophobia. It doesn't mean jack. We are still very close. More like best buddies. Maybe, but at least Reina and Kumiko had chemistry, inspired each other and helped getting through emotionally hard times. It doesn't matter if their feelings are platonic or romantic- they still showed us how passionate can playing an instrument be, their interactions served a purpose. Shuuichi is either a background or is just there for romance (people start asking Kumiko questions about her feelings for him as soon as they see him and just wouldn't shut up about it). He's boring, whiny and doesn't have any confidence. Kumiko is not that full of energy to somehow make their relationship look interesting. I don't want to waste my time looking at them going on dates in silence. I would prefer listening to Asuka's euphonium solo instead. Strongly agree that Shuuichi was practically a background in the first 5 episodes. And I agree that he might be boring and tad whiny. However, he lacks neither courage nor confidence. Sorry if I sounded mean. But that's the closest I could get to break it down with logical arguments and my impression on what you have said in your comment. |
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shanimebib said: Flora92 said: Maybe, but at least Reina and Kumiko had chemistry, inspired each other and helped getting through emotionally hard times. It doesn't matter if their feelings are platonic or romantic- they still showed us how passionate can playing an instrument be, their interactions served a purpose. Shuuichi is either a background or is just there for romance (people start asking Kumiko questions about her feelings for him as soon as they see him and just wouldn't shut up about it). He's boring, whiny and doesn't have any confidence. Kumiko is not that full of energy to somehow make their relationship look interesting. I don't want to waste my time looking at them going on dates in silence. I would prefer listening to Asuka's euphonium solo instead. Strongly agree that Shuuichi was practically a background in the first 5 episodes. And I agree that he might be boring and tad whiny. However, he lacks neither courage nor confidence. Sorry if I sounded mean. But that's the closest I could get to break it down with logical arguments and my impression on what you have said in your comment. I don't hate him, I just don't see how he would add anything to the show now. Yes, he tried very hard to improve in the first season and encouraged Kumiko to get better at playing, but so did Natsuki, Sapphire-tyan, Hadzuki and everyone else. I really don't see anything special in her interactions with him compared to them. There is a reason people ship Kumiko with Reina- their interactions were the driving force for the show. Reina is her inspiration, the one that sparked a passion for music in Kumiko that she didn't have before or forgot about. Seeing her in a white dress filled her with the "moon dance", listening to her playing always invokes emotions. People don't ship them because they just want to see girl on girl action and ignore everything else in anime (well maybe some do, but I'm definitely not one of them). I'm not the biggest fan of Taki-sensei, but at least Reina's feeling for him are believable and even cute (how she would always come to school early just to have a chance to talk to him for 5 minutes). Her feeling are not forced and we can clearly see them without every fucking character talking to her about it. At this point I am completely satisfied with how things are in the anime, no romance is perfectly fine by me- I just want to see more of Asuka's character. But if they continue forcing Shuuichi's character on Kumiko- I will get annoyed, it really seems like a complete waste of time, that could be spent on music or more interesting characters ( like Hashimoto-sensei or Asuka). |
Flora92Nov 10, 2016 2:04 AM
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Flora92 said: Maybe, but at least Reina and Kumiko had chemistry, inspired each other and helped getting through emotionally hard times. It doesn't matter if their feelings are platonic or romantic- they still showed us how passionate can playing an instrument be, their interactions served a purpose. I don't see the problem with Shuuichi. Reina and Kumiko is the most beautiful relationship the show offered us until now, yes, HOWEVER why is it a problem if there are other relationships next to this one? I mean, are you crying when Reina show her jealousy with Taki sensei? Were you shouting "treason" when we saw her dead fish eyes? And when Kumiko just abandonned all her friends for a moment at the pool or overall in the first episodes because she was interested in the nozomi-mizore case, was it also lost of time? Infidelity? This show is great to me because it doesn't restrict itself to two characters. I ship hard the bond between Kumiko and Reina, whatever it may be, whatever it may become, as long as it stays strong but really, it's great to see their social horizon isn't narrow to "this one and only person" and I ship whatever bond Kumiko might develop with other friends too, Shuuichi included. Now she even speaks casually to Mizore when going to school, isn't that great? She arrived in this school, she was literally alone. It's development, it's not supposed to stop there either. That's real life and that's what a good slice of life looks like. Actually, the most annoying thing in this show is not in the show itself, but part of the viewers, those yelling and seriously meaning "yuri bait" every time Reina and Kumiko are together on screen. "mendoukusai!" |
Amazing! Thank you! Despite all the good noise, "So Dakara" is the one that made me laugh. |
| You little faggot!! Stay away from my kumiko, there's only one ship you can't ruin in this anime. >_< You didn't like Tuba, ok, no more chances, now get lost |
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Flora92 said: Ysad_Ziwezhan said: I don't see the problem with Shuuichi. Reina and Kumiko is the most beautiful relationship the show offered us until now, yes, HOWEVER why is it a problem if there are other relationships next to this one? I mean, are you crying when Reina show her jealousy with Taki sensei? Were you shouting "treason" when we saw her dead fish eyes? And when Kumiko just abandonned all her friends for a moment at the pool or overall in the first episodes because she was interested in the nozomi-mizore case, was it also lost of time? Infidelity? This show is great to me because it doesn't restrict itself to two characters. I ship hard the bond between Kumiko and Reina, whatever it may be, whatever it may become, as long as it stays strong but really, it's great to see their social horizon isn't narrow to "this one and only person" and I ship whatever bond Kumiko might develop with other friends too, Shuuichi included. Now she even speaks casually to Mizore when going to school, isn't that great? She arrived in this school, she was literally alone. It's development, it's not supposed to stop there either. That's real life and that's what a good slice of life looks like. Actually, the most annoying thing in this show is not in the show itself, but part of the viewers, those yelling and seriously meaning "yuri bait" every time Reina and Kumiko are together on screen. "mendoukusai!" Yeah, I agree with almost everything you said) No, I really don't mind dead fish eyes (it was very funny) and talking to other people. Its different with Shuuichi cos I'm really sick of characters promoting him when Kumiko never said or showed any kind of interest in him other then a friend. It always comes out of nowhere (like when Kumiko couldn't sleep and left the room- Reina suddenly asked if she was with Shuuichi. Why would she think that? It's weird). And naturally, when something is so clearly forced down my throat- I don't like it and his character just feels out of place (he should be in some romance comedy, where they have 20+ episodes about just him and his love interest misunderstanding each other and a bunch of friends helping them get together, cos they are both too slow and timid) I actually really like how Kumiko is interacting with other people (like Yuuko, Nozomi, Asuka, her sister, Taki-sensei - their dialogue was very touching and its cute how she's trying not to interfere too much, just observing XD) The thing is Kyoani really emphasized that Kumiko ignored him in the first season on purpose, for a good reason. It doesn't mean she always thought that way toward him. After all, back then, what brought the "cold" happens when she asked him if he wanted to go home, if I well remember. As for Reina questions : she and others like Azuki obviously noticed Shuuichi's crush. So maybe they wonder if there weren't anything even a little bit reciprocate. Then again, what happened in this episode 6? Nothing. They met accidentaly, he still has a crush on her, she happened to depend on him for no other "apparent" reason than being scared in the dark. Nothing more. Now If we get a love confession or a Kumiko sudden change of heart after that on episode 7, I will think exactly like you : "that's shit". But there are still 6 episodes to go, that's something like a 2 hour movie, that's a lot of time and space for a slow and believable development ... or not. I mean, for me the show so far had almost no romance (nothing mutual between kumiko and shuuichi and surely nothing romantical between Kumiko and Reina) and it's great anyway. It all depends on the writing and the realisation. We'll see. Last thing : it's not bad if for once developments aren't obvious from the start, so "not obvious" that many don't want to buy it. |
Ysad_ZiwezhanNov 10, 2016 6:47 AM
| Loved this episode, they blend heartwarming and funny with tragic and serious so well. And the VAs are spot on. I love everything about this show. |
Jack_Corvus96 said: I'm the only one who thinks that the scene on Reina's Spooky house was forced? (Tsukamoto and Kumiko) Nope you are not the only one in fact every time these two interact it feels forced. Can already see it coming. An amazing slice of life series full of characters that feel real with great interactions ruined by an awful tsukamoto kumiko pairing that makes no sense and is completely contrary to how kumiko's character is presented. Other than that great episode. wonder if that is asuka's sister or mother. Really liked the scene where kumiko and taki sensei met. |
xSanoxNov 10, 2016 6:54 AM
| I also agree that Tsukamoto needs more screen time to make things go in a romantic way that doesn't grow from anywhere except a childhood crush. Really liked this episode. How Taki decided to only speak a bit about his past relationship, instead of letting it all out. But I am also kind of sad because a lot of third years will be going off. I hope not too many. My favorite trio can't be not going to Nationals. Of course that is Kaori, Asuka and Haruka. Wondering about the tuba pair, too. |
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Flora92 said: As I said- no romance was and is perfectly fine by me :-) Hibike was never about that, it was about people, their desire to "git gud", what playing an instrument means to them and how it effects their lives. And that's what I loved about it It's scary to think that it can suddenly switch focus from that to something that has nothing to do with music (kind of like in this episode). .... you should put a spoiler button here at the end of your comment. I agree with you, that Hibike is about music and how it is related to relationships and group dynamic IN GENERAL, not romance in particular. I don't bother if there's a bit more though, on the family, vocation, life's priority aspect too for example. |
xxtyrantxx said: lol He's pretty much the same in the novel a big wuss You seem to have read the novel. Care to explain at which part he was being a wuss? I am really interested. @Flora92: As for Kumiko's feelings, I wouldn't go into it because season 1 had so many indications of that that I find it tad strange that fans didn't take a notice, but that was also because it was intentionally left double edged with two different meanings. However, as an avid fan of romance genre, and someone who has seen every KyoAni work in existence till date (well, except for Munto) I could pick the meanings up on my own. It also means that KyoAni was successful by limiting it to just 'Lovers' Quarrel' as they have described Kumiko and Shuuichi's relationship, exactly the way they wanted it to be. In the meantime, here is how to place your shoes on the floor. |
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Flora92 said: Ysad_Ziwezhan said: I agree with you, that Hibike is about music and how it is related to relationships and group dynamic IN GENERAL, not romance in particular. I don't bother if there's a bit more though, on the family, vocation, life's priority aspect too for example. Done, sorry) Well family stuff is still relevant to music though because of her sister, so are the life's priorities. Maybe the whole thing will force Kumiko to truly realize what playing eupho means to her. Yes, she likes being in a band, likes playing but I don't think we've seen her put her emotions into it, like Reina, Mizore or Asuka do. She did work really hard to close the gap between her and Asuka. Still I wouldn't mind if Kumiko tease Reina with a line like "I will show you my feelings playing Euphonium for you" and then laugh. The way they both were making fun of the Mizore-Nozomi relationship was one great moment of episode 5 for me. They understand each other so well, the humour was great. I'm eager to have more details about Kumiko's sister. She is the one who inspired Kumiko as a kid to begin with music, so it means they were in good terms ... a long time ago. Then big sis quit music for study (under the father's pressure maybe?) and now she quits college? Will Kumiko follow a similar path? Quit music for better chances of carriere like Aoi senpai did in season one? I'm curious about the moral at the end. |
Ysad_ZiwezhanNov 10, 2016 8:07 AM
Ysad_Ziwezhan said: The thing is Kyoani really emphasized that Kumiko ignored him in the first season on purpose, for a good reason. It doesn't mean she always thought that way toward him. After all, back then, what brought the "cold" happens when she asked him if he wanted to go home, if I well remember. As for Reina questions : she and others like Azuki obviously noticed Shuuichi's crush. So maybe they wonder if there weren't anything even a little bit reciprocate. Then again, what happened in this episode 6? Nothing. They met accidentaly, he still has a crush on her, she happened to depend on him for no other "apparent" reason than being scared in the dark. Nothing more. Now If we get a love confession or a Kumiko sudden change of heart after that on episode 7, I will think exactly like you : "that's shit". But there are still 6 episodes to go, that's something like a 2 hour movie, that's a lot of time and space for a slow and believable development ... or not. I mean, for me the show so far had almost no romance (nothing mutual between kumiko and shuuichi and surely nothing romantical between Kumiko and Reina) and it's great anyway. It all depends on the writing and the realisation. We'll see. Last thing : it's not bad if for once developments aren't obvious from the start, so "not obvious" that many don't want to buy it. But the way I see it, everything points towards that Personally, I would probably prefer to see the anime remain open ended because I want all fans to love the anime for the music and the human interactions in it and not forget the level of details that have been put into it which make me personally consider it as one of the best anime in recent times. |
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The way Kumiko whimpered Reina's name made me melt. |
| Ok episode, but nothing special to remember. |
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| Reina needs reality slap ASAP.....i can't deal with her childish crush on Taki anymore. |
shanimebib said: ... Personally, I would probably prefer to see the anime remain open ended because I want all fans to love the anime for the music and the human interactions in it and not forget the level of details that have been put into it which make me personally consider it as one of the best anime in recent times. I didn't read the "definite" spoiler because I have already been spoiled too much for my taste and prefer ignore the details as much as possible :) I'm not a fan of open-end to be honest but if there is no romance at all, I'm ok too. Whatever may come, I just hope that it will be well explained and made believable at least from my point of view. From the quality seen so far, I'm optimistic they can handle this. |
| Woah, sensei is sure driving in a really old car. It was nice we got to learn a little bit more about him. Also, with that ending, guess we finally get to learn more about Asuka. Can't forget about Kumiko's sister as well. Great episode as usual. |
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When I read about this to be a school cultural festival after episode five's greatness I wasn't so excited, but fortunately this episode exceeded my expectations! It had a lot of engaging scenes with a lot of story development. The opening seems nicer this way, now I'm pretty excited to see what Hibike! has for us. |
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| Well, two highlights: - Kumiko's sister is probably pregnant (to complicate things: was it with her teacher?) - The new character in the end? I wonder, if that's Asuka's mother - will she drop out of school because they are moving away ...well, it's probably more on the lines with the fact that Asuka is in her last year and her mother wants to her go job hunting. She loves music, made some promise with her that she wants to stay in the club at least till preliminaries but now it's her time to say good-bye (3rd years in Japan rarely goes to school after New Year. ...and with Mamiko, well, it's obvious she loved music before but she's also eldest child of her father and that's why he pushes his ideals on her... he basically forced her to go to the college.. while her dream was to be a musician. That's why she hates her school and that's also why she has such weird relationship with her younger sister and she is simply jealous of her (that she can do what she wants). I bet this part is there also as a criticism of japanese society and its values. |
Mich666Nov 10, 2016 5:54 PM
shanimebib said: Ysad_Ziwezhan said: The thing is Kyoani really emphasized that Kumiko ignored him in the first season on purpose, for a good reason. It doesn't mean she always thought that way toward him. After all, back then, what brought the "cold" happens when she asked him if he wanted to go home, if I well remember. As for Reina questions : she and others like Azuki obviously noticed Shuuichi's crush. So maybe they wonder if there weren't anything even a little bit reciprocate. Then again, what happened in this episode 6? Nothing. They met accidentaly, he still has a crush on her, she happened to depend on him for no other "apparent" reason than being scared in the dark. Nothing more. Now If we get a love confession or a Kumiko sudden change of heart after that on episode 7, I will think exactly like you : "that's shit". But there are still 6 episodes to go, that's something like a 2 hour movie, that's a lot of time and space for a slow and believable development ... or not. I mean, for me the show so far had almost no romance (nothing mutual between kumiko and shuuichi and surely nothing romantical between Kumiko and Reina) and it's great anyway. It all depends on the writing and the realisation. We'll see. Last thing : it's not bad if for once developments aren't obvious from the start, so "not obvious" that many don't want to buy it. But the way I see it, everything points towards that Personally, I would probably prefer to see the anime remain open ended because I want all fans to love the anime for the music and the human interactions in it and not forget the level of details that have been put into it which make me personally consider it as one of the best anime in recent times. I also agree that it should be open ended, Hibike! Euphonium is my favourite series and I think it would be a really nice way for it to end. |
| Haruka Fujita is going to direct ep7 so I'll expect something good in the next episode (she's the god who directed S1E8 and S2E1 afterall). |
| A very nice layering effect in this ep. First we have an amusing first half at the festival with the foreshadowing of the storm, then the typhoon arrives and the mood shifts. Kumiko's sister wants to drop out of college (why? we wonder. Did something happen?), then Kumiko heads out into the storm to escape the tension, only to encounter Taki-sensei buying flowers for his late wife. Taki-sensei is based as ever and keeps Kumiko mainly in the dark about his situation, but revealing just enough to add to the layers of drama in this series. That ending. What will next week bring to Asuka? |
dm106 said: Oh boy, the ratings of this fantastic anime will drop like hell thanks to those who bought the bait... Well is Kyoani's fault. If you are talking about MAL ratings then most likely 'yes'. Which would be a shame. And it will be KyoAni's fault for the MAL ratings. However, Musaigen's rating in MAL was actually way better than its TV ratings in Japan. It didn't help KyoAni. Likewise, MAL's low rating won't influence neither the TV ratings in Japan (which seems to be pretty good according to docomo, kadokawa and anikore) nor the disc sales; I am anticipating something around 7.5K+ per volume at least in opposed to 8.3K+ per volume for S1 which would be an excellent return in current weak market. |
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| not fan of Shuuichi >_> KumikoxReina all the way I have a feel that Reina has no chance for Taki-sensei since he will always remember his passed wife I'm so curious about Kumiko's sister dropping out and I hope they reveal her own reason for that |
| Which reminds me the age gap : 19 years. So Taki sensei could have been technically the father of Kumiko even though the florist said he seems too young. Politeness I suppose. |
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