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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- I guess that was an okay end to the series... i was really hoping for a mari/yori ending but it just turned out to be schoolgirl lesbians OTL At least Mari's family is back together. |
| Given how slow some chapters have been, you could say that this ending is a bit rushed, but I guess we can speculate what happened between chapters 79 and 80 (Mari's mother returning and accepting Yori again as Mari's friend etc.) I'll rate this with a 7. It works out well as a gender bender deconstruction and I'm glad that I started reading it. However, Komori's character could have been better developed. He's not the main character, but he plays a key role in the plot. Also, I think we could have reached the same result with less chapters, like around 70. I still remember how painful it was sometimes, having to wait for two weeks. I'll be sure to read "Happiness" after it ends! |
NaughtyNoddySep 7, 2016 10:38 AM
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| Idk why but I get this empty sort of feeling at the end. The colored pages though....brings a lot more life into the series but idk, I just feel weird after reading it. |
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| Started out as a 9 and ended a 6. Last 10 chapters were incredibly boring. |
| they played us like a damn fiddle |
Stark700 said: Idk why but I get this empty sort of feeling at the end. The colored pages though....brings a lot more life into the series but idk, I just feel weird after reading it. That's the feeling you get when u finish something you really loved, happened to me in Onanie Master Kurosawa. |
| The ending felt really underwhelming, and don't like these type of endings, only feels like was reading all those chapters for nothing. |
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| Well, that was bad. |
| I was expecting a more detailed end :ccc |
| Seunghoon my sunflower |
| I didn't realize it was the end, until....like it just happened lol. I thought this was pretty good. As kind of......lackluster of an end as it was, I kind of thought it was perfect to be honest. It was a good read. 8/10 for me. |
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| huh...i thought this might be ending soon but i wasn't expecting it here, it seems so...lack luster? like nothing happened.. it had so much potential at first and then idk what happened. I guess its a 7 for me just cus it started off so well but alas on to the next one i suppose! |
| When I finished reading this chapter I thought oh cool, Oshimi-san did the same thing here as he did in Aku no Hana. And I was disappointed to be honest, as well as left confused because the whole thing wasn't made clear to readers (imho). But then it occurred to me that this story actually resembles Demian. Hello and thank you Bangtan Boys. So, Mari is Sinclair and Fumiko, Mari and Isao are variations of Demian, each taking action in a special period of time. But I think this theory of mine is not much valid, because in the book Demian did not take control over Sinclair's body. Yet I think this makes some kind of sense. Just sharing my opinion. Oshimi-san is great <3 |
| huh? so it's already ended? where's the explanation of all the event? what's trully happened out there? so they just leave it like that? it feels empty.. I thought Mari and Komori finally seeing each other. such disappointment. |
| I think he really didn't know how to end this. Really went out with a whimper this one. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| GG WP I am mad, this thing goes from great to a big pile of shit, not worth reading in the least. Oshimi, you're a pigfuck. |
| I discovered the manga yestarday and finished it today. It was a good ride, good manga overall, really enjoy reading it. Although I am really dissapointed that Komori(the fake one) didn't existed after you went through all of his struggles. But anyway, it was a kind of a good shocking twist, at least for me. ps: If this was animated, it should be done by shaft and have kickass openings that foreshadow the ending, like sayonara zetsubo sensei :V |
| SO, Mari was so supressed with her feelings and the only thing that made her escape her "prison", just for a little while would be to watch Komori doing his nightly activites. With all her emotions in roll she at some point snapped and thus begun to think she actually was Komori Isao, when she actually really was just herself, Mari. You could say that the author described some kind of personality disorder (i'm sure there have been cases similar to this about personality disorders, but i also think you can have a personality disorder in multiple ways) and this was one of those multiple ways to have an personality disorder. Sure when Komori as Mari asked himself (Komori) in one of the earlier chapters if he recognised her at all, and he denied that he haven't ever seen her before (convenience store)... Could be an plothole OR that Mari actually snapped earlier, before the convenience store meetings. Almost like a "phase" before she actually snapped of her thinking she actually was/is Komori. Could explain why Komori doesn't know her from before, because Mari actually snapped into thinking Komori saw Mari in the convenience store. The end made me think that the old Mari accepted her "new" self, thus wanting to disappear BUT also disappear as Fumiko. To begin a real NEW self with her now best friend / lover Yori. This is only my opinion on what the author thought about when he made this GREAT piece. Wouldn't surprise me if this could be a VERY successful live movie or even Anime, if done right and not with half assed actors just doing it for money and doing an bad act. I would LOVE to see an sequel to this masterpiece. |
Linkon18Oct 3, 2016 5:19 PM
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| Sadly I have to agree that the end was lackluster. My feelings for this manga are the same as my feelings for Aku no Hana: Started out Great then it kept growing till it reach a climax just to go down with very slow chapters that we feel led to nothing. Also I agree that her trouble with the personalities could have been better explored. Also her mom is back just like that... Well it was still a good read, the end didn't ruined the whole experience or anything. |
| Baby, daijobanai... |
| i kinda feel like pretending the last 5 chapters don't exist |
| Ending felt empty, probably because all the resolution was already met when Komori said the truth, that Mari is just imagining it. I also felt kinda empty in the end, Mari and her family and Mari and yori just became normal and interacted in a superficial normal way compared to how intense everything was prior to this point. Pretty good read 7/10. Nihilsciens said: I might be completely wrong - I read the ending in a rush and it was a long time ago that I read the first part - but it seems to me that perhaps Komori and Mari had been swapped as young children. Perhaps as a result of an earlier swap in the hospital (e.g. family given the wrong infant without noticing) - there's a Japanese movie out there about this scenario, which did indeed occur. There are some weaknesses to this theory, but it might explain Mari's trauma and detachment from her family. Also it might be the reason why her name was changed from Fumiko to Mari as she was switched. Also, her obsessiveness with Komori might be based on her wishing to be him - and thus going back to her previous family. Feel welcomed to pick my theory apart, I didn't put too much thought into it. That's not a theory you are recalling things that never happened. Mari just stalked Komori and read his Journal and convinced herself that she was him to escape from her life. |
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| Last quarter of this manga was fkn meh af! Got so boring and finding out it was in her head n shit was just shit.....ultra meh.... carlaca said: they played us like a damn fiddle  |
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| Ending could've been better but a good series overall. Never thought about the possibility of a split personality. 7/10. |
| Overall it was great story but I really disliked, hated even that stalker girl - Yori. |
| The comments here just reinforced my idea that the general public is really clueless about mental illnesses. The development wasn't perfect and had the love it or hate it slow paced rhythm that plagues Oshimi Shuuzo's work, but the story was solid, the ending and overall concept logical and well constructed. A solid 8/10, could have been better if more time was dedicated in the Mari/Komori dichotomy; as it is, it makes you understand what's going on, and, even if you can empathize to a certain degree with the characters, it falls short on making you feel what's going on |
helppls said: Linkon18 said: SO, Mari was so supressed with her feelings and the only thing that made her escape her "prison", just for a little while would be to watch Komori doing his nightly activites. With all her emotions in roll she at some point snapped and thus begun to think she actually was Komori Isao, when she actually really was just herself, Mari. You could say that the author described some kind of personality disorder (i'm sure there have been cases similar to this about personality disorders, but i also think you can have a personality disorder in multiple ways) and this was one of those multiple ways to have an personality disorder. Sure when Komori as Mari asked himself (Komori) in one of the earlier chapters if he recognised her at all, and he denied that he haven't ever seen her before (convenience store)... Could be an plothole OR that Mari actually snapped earlier, before the convenience store meetings. Almost like a "phase" before she actually snapped of her thinking she actually was/is Komori. Could explain why Komori doesn't know her from before, because Mari actually snapped into thinking Komori saw Mari in the convenience store. The end made me think that the old Mari accepted her "new" self, thus wanting to disappear BUT also disappear as Fumiko. To begin a real NEW self with her now best friend / lover Yori. This is only my opinion on what the author thought about when he made this GREAT piece. Wouldn't surprise me if this could be a VERY successful live movie or even Anime, if done right and not with half assed actors just doing it for money and doing an bad act. I would LOVE to see an sequel to this masterpiece. Possibly Dissociative identity disorder. I literally one shot this manga for 2 hours of steady reading and my brain melted off. I was searching for the meaning behind the ending since my insights, seemingly, were totally out of the blue. When I read your "conclusion" I cried a little. Thank you for clearing my insights My god, reading my conclusion again... almost 1 & ½ years ago. I almost don't understand the conclusion because i barely remember exactly what happened in the manga. But anyways, i'm replying because i'm a big lurker (people who mostly reads and browse but never type or make any impacts themselfs). And this conclusion i've written up has now gotten some attention from you and i barely get any replies of anything "big" i write. So i rarely do it, i'm really happy for you to appreciate my conclusion on what happened to this manga and i hope you could reply to this message aswell so i know you've read it :) |
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| So i completed this yesterday In one go. From the premise I expected some sort of standard gender bender but I got some very interesting psychological drama. And I appreciate that. My thoughts: When the girl named Fumiko had her named changed he "became" Mari, but she wasn't satisfied. She still suffered from internal struggle, managed to supress it but the stress of trying to be the ideal Mari, the one that her mother and social circle wanted was too much. Then she found Komori, who was just living his life as himself. She was jealous of his freedom, obsessed and finally created a new personality for herself. Because of the events of the story she managed to find true frienship/love with Yori, restored her bond with her brotther and Father. When MariKomori said things like "I'm having so much fun" it was Mari's true feelings of finally being able to act as herself. The Komori personality was able to express things that MariMari couldn't. In the end I don't interpret the ending as other personalities dissapearing. It feels more like Mari finally was able to become content with all parts of herself, in the end even reconciling with her mother who (at least IMO) was the cause of this all. |
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