| This finale episode reminded me a lot of Well, I really loved Noe and almost could not stand Hiromi. It is sad that Noe lost her brother in the end too. But overall it was a really good serie with incredibly good soundtrack and Noe was just a lovely character. |
| the endding was perfect but i just didn't like the fact that noe had to be the sacrifise TT |
| Yes, Noe had to be sacrificed for this anime to live up to its name. |
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foxy12 said: the endding was perfect but i just didn't like the fact that noe had to be the sacrifise TT I would question the term 'sacrificed' it wasn't really a sacrifice in my view.. I doubt she has truly 'lost' her brother - She has come out of her shell* of sorts and even regained the tears she thought were given/taken away. The sound track and Animation were also both fantastic from start to finish some of the best in quite awhile. But sorry to say Bel Hiromi didn't irritate me at all (though shins mother did greatly) .. and I in a rare twist of fate- Agree with Random Curiosity.. it was a great ending. |
sirwence said: foxy12 said: the endding was perfect but i just didn't like the fact that noe had to be the sacrifise TT I would question the term 'sacrificed' it wasn't really a sacrifice in my view.. I doubt she has truly 'lost' her brother - She has come out of her shell* of sorts and even regained the tears she thought were given/taken away. The sound track and Animation were also both fantastic from start to finish some of the best in quite awhile. But sorry to say Bel Hiromi didn't irritate me at all (though shins mother did greatly) .. and I in a rare twist of fate- Agree with Random Curiosity.. it was a great ending. Very true and I agree with you here .The ending was meant to be for Hiromi and not Noe .Everything Noe went through was needed for her to get back her tears and she gained the most of all the characters .. I was not angry with Hiormi as well and those who hated her action need to give the show a re-watch because all her action's were ttly human .. But my fav was neither Hiromi or Noe (they already have enough fans)and some people might call me crazy but i liked Ai a bit more than Hiromi and Noe .she was more realistic and flawed .. give us your opinion on Hiromi Vs Noe ^ ^ |
foxy12Jun 6, 2009 12:24 PM
foxy12 said: Very true and I agree with you here .The ending was meant to be for Hiromi and not Noe .Everything Noe went through was needed for her to get back her tears and she gained the most of all the characters .. I was not angry with Hiormi as well and those who hated her action need to give the show a re-watch because all her action's were ttly human .. But my fav was neither Hiromi or Noe (they already have enough fans)and some people might call me crazy but i liked Ai a bit more than Hiromi and Noe .she was more realistic and flawed .. give us your opinion on Hiromi Vs Noe ^ ^ Well as far as 'gained' I would say depending on your own view point the main characters all gained or regained what they sought to. So the Gain while not appearing equal to some, could very well be quite equal. As for flawed and more realistic.. and if it was to be made into only a comparison of 2 .. it would be Ai and Hiromi they are far more ... 'real' and 'human' then Noe would be though she has her flaws/ Hiromi or Noe... Hiromi is more to me of a human character - You see her true emotions , you see her struggle with things (at least one major thing she should have never had to struggle with I am sure most would agree - I reference the actions of shins mother- ) And her slow maturity growth , and having enough growth to openly admit she was in fact a fool for some of her own actions.. something I could say some go entire life times failing to do. Hiromi is also no 'evil' or 'cold' I never quite understood why people said that , because she had jealously? or Envy? or got Angry? or acted like a human would in the position she thought she was in lol. Come now the haters really have little case other then to say be a fan boy/girl of Ai or Noe - She also has the capisticty once the clearing of the air episodes air to be more then supportive of Shin. she always had the ability. And to make a Noe comparison at he end of it .. I think she herself has far deeper feelings for him and him for her then Noe. Noe.. well shes Noe. She was a interesting character - and I think she was quite meant to be. Well Hiromi was the Romantic interest - Noe was the intellectual Interest of the series. She made him think , helped him see the things , he was hiding from running from- and was rather instrumental in his own growth as well as his in hers. (of course he was instrumental in both hers and Hiromis but it goes to state it) She like Hiromi had her share of suffering , both did , but I think the feelings shin had for her .. were confused ones. Well the ones for Hiromi were never confused. He loved her from episode one to episode thirteen and Noe could even see it. So I consider Noe a great character to- She gained in the ways she needed and wanted, as she is now she would have a rather bright future- as it seems Hiromi and Shin will together. (and of course Ai) As for calling you crazy.. you have your views and opinions.. wouldn't presume to call someone crazy for it. |
sirwence said: foxy12 said: Very true and I agree with you here .The ending was meant to be for Hiromi and not Noe .Everything Noe went through was needed for her to get back her tears and she gained the most of all the characters .. I was not angry with Hiormi as well and those who hated her action need to give the show a re-watch because all her action's were ttly human .. But my fav was neither Hiromi or Noe (they already have enough fans)and some people might call me crazy but i liked Ai a bit more than Hiromi and Noe .she was more realistic and flawed .. give us your opinion on Hiromi Vs Noe ^ ^ Well as far as 'gained' I would say depending on your own view point the main characters all gained or regained what they sought to. So the Gain while not appearing equal to some, could very well be quite equal. As for flawed and more realistic.. and if it was to be made into only a comparison of 2 .. it would be Ai and Hiromi they are far more ... 'real' and 'human' then Noe would be though she has her flaws/ Hiromi or Noe... Hiromi is more to me of a human character - You see her true emotions , you see her struggle with things (at least one major thing she should have never had to struggle with I am sure most would agree - I reference the actions of shins mother- ) And her slow maturity growth , and having enough growth to openly admit she was in fact a fool for some of her own actions.. something I could say some go entire life times failing to do. Hiromi is also no 'evil' or 'cold' I never quite understood why people said that , because she had jealously? or Envy? or got Angry? or acted like a human would in the position she thought she was in lol. Come now the haters really have little case other then to say be a fan boy/girl of Ai or Noe - She also has the capisticty once the clearing of the air episodes air to be more then supportive of Shin. she always had the ability. And to make a Noe comparison at he end of it .. I think she herself has far deeper feelings for him and him for her then Noe. Noe.. well shes Noe. She was a interesting character - and I think she was quite meant to be. Well Hiromi was the Romantic interest - Noe was the intellectual Interest of the series. She made him think , helped him see the things , he was hiding from running from- and was rather instrumental in his own growth as well as his in hers. (of course he was instrumental in both hers and Hiromis but it goes to state it) She like Hiromi had her share of suffering , both did , but I think the feelings shin had for her .. were confused ones. Well the ones for Hiromi were never confused. He loved her from episode one to episode thirteen and Noe could even see it. So I consider Noe a great character to- She gained in the ways she needed and wanted, as she is now she would have a rather bright future- as it seems Hiromi and Shin will together. (and of course Ai) As for calling you crazy.. you have your views and opinions.. wouldn't presume to call someone crazy for it. I liked how you explained both Hiromi and Noe ^ ^and I agree with you on every single word but i disagree that Hiromi is hated (she has many fans ) infact Ai is more hated than her ..and those who don't understand Hiromi's character don't seem to focus on her emotional drama really .. Both were great characters indeed and both had it hard in so many ways .. Being an Ai fan ,it sad to know that she's hated and misunderstood more than even Hiromi because of her screentime and her actions and i still think that Ai is more realistic and flawed more than Hiromi (she made more mistakes )but because many of her conflicts and intentions were hidden because of her screen time play ,many people tend to villainize her .Ai's love was destructive in my opinion more than the other two and she lost so much because of it including losing her pride .I've read an interview for true tears and the writer himself said he made Ai to more symbolic and darker than the other two (be deprived of her soul)even though she was nothing more than a side character.. As for Ai's happiness ,i wouidn't say she's quite happy (Drama CD)proves it .They will always be guilt weather she chose Shin or Nobuse and that's her destiny .this info was not included in the anime to give people that happy feeling that Ai was indeed happy as we saw her at the end but the writers did include this (Ai still suffering from her guilt )in the drama CD .the writers gave Nobuse happiness and not her .. Hiromi and Noe both got full happy ending's because they were both more fictional but i can't imagine Ai to be fully happy(ppl like her in real life won't be fully happy )but i guess you havn't heard the drama CD so you wouidn't know . In the drama CD,Ai is given more depth than what she got in the Anime that it will change the opinion's of many haters out there .. As for who suffered the most ,I wouidn't say it's Hiromi or Noe ,they all did (main characters and side characters).. Ai and Jun were more darker and had the most destructive feelings ,Ai's love for Shin was unhealthy and full of lies and was more of a fantasy because she refused to face reality .Jun's love was taboo .. And that's just my opinion and you might think it's stupid cuz not many people see Ai that way ^ ^because many people think of her as this useless person and not many people seem to focus on her but if we look deep into her character ,there's so much a bout her even though she was not given enough screentime play ..loll But if you want to know more ,share your opinion at the Noe Vs Hiromi thread ^ ^ |
foxy12Jun 7, 2009 12:33 AM
| One thing on guilt, all humans (which these characters are based on lol) live with 'guilt' thus is Ai happy ? Maybe not , will she suffer her entire life due to guilt from this event? Probably not , did I hate her character? No. But All of them have Guilt. Each character in that series has guilt. Some more then others sure. But Ai from what ive heard and seen is rebuilding herself, not over night but over time. As for popularity .. the Noe FB/G's out number both Ai's and Hiromi's .. combined. |
sirwenceJun 7, 2009 12:54 AM
sirwence said: One thing on guilt, all humans (which these characters are based on lol) live with 'guilt' thus is Ai happy ? Maybe not , will she suffer her entire life due to guilt from this event? Probably not , did I hate her character? No. But All of them have Guilt. Each character in that series has guilt. Some more then others sure. But Ai from what ive heard and seen is rebuilding herself, not over night but over time. As for popularity .. the Noe FB/G's out number both Ai's and Hiromi's .. combined. I agree with you here ^ ^..they all had guilt but Jun,mama and aiko even Shin had more guilt than the other's .. Because Ai made more mistakes than Hiromi ,she felt more guilt .Hiromi felt guilt as well for lying to Shin but she didn't have to cuz it's not her fault after all ...^ ^ Shin was bad for Aiko because of what she was doing to herself .she felt guilty and regreted not just hurting Nobuse but she regretted falling in love with shin as well (so many things) ..she regretted giving up on shin for hiromi ,she regretted not been honest with him about her feelings .she lothed herself a lot because she hurted NObuse and was using him to get close to shin .she regretted wasting her life for shin,she regretted doing things behind Nobuse back ,she regretted giving shin that kiss while still been Nobuse girlfriend.like Hiormi she hated the fact that Nobuse refused to let her go and relieve her but the poor girl very well knew that she was destined to fail from the start -she knew the nature of shin's feelings for Hiromi .. Ai 's actions and guilt were because of her self-loathing and being deeply disturbed .. And Ai showed us what a great person she is by waiking a way from Shin and wanting to rebuild herself .. I liked all three girls and i felt sorry for all them -they all had it hard and i'm glad Shin picked Hiromi ^ ^ Hiromi has many fans in China as much as many westerns like Noe .People like Noe because they like perfection and don't worry hiromi is liked by many people ..poor Ai her fan base won't rise as fast as the other two ;;.. I guess many Noe fans don't seem to understand this show and view it as some sort of game which annoys me at least we Ai fans learned to accept the show for what it is .This is not like your average harem story ..loll I wonder why many Noe fans hate both Hiromi and Noe while both Ai and Hiromi fans like Noe ? |
foxy12Jun 7, 2009 2:57 AM
foxy12 said: Well .. you can count me as a New Englander and thus a westerner a Hiromi appreciator and fan , who liked and enjoyed both Noe and Ai . Otherwise.. you more or less said it, I can't really improve on that lolsirwence said: One thing on guilt, all humans (which these characters are based on lol) live with 'guilt' thus is Ai happy ? Maybe not , will she suffer her entire life due to guilt from this event? Probably not , did I hate her character? No. But All of them have Guilt. Each character in that series has guilt. Some more then others sure. But Ai from what ive heard and seen is rebuilding herself, not over night but over time. As for popularity .. the Noe FB/G's out number both Ai's and Hiromi's .. combined. I agree with you here ^ ^..they all had guilt but Jun,mama and aiko even Shin had more guilt than the other's .. Because Ai made more mistakes than Hiromi ,she felt more guilt .Hiromi felt guilt as well for lying to Shin but she didn't have to cuz it's not her fault after all ...^ ^ Shin was bad for Aiko because of what she was doing to herself .she felt guilty and regreted not just hurting Nobuse but she regretted falling in love with shin as well (so many things) ..she regretted giving up on shin for hiromi ,she regretted not been honest with him about her feelings .she lothed herself a lot because she hurted NObuse and was using him to get close to shin .she regretted wasting her life for shin,she regretted doing things behind Nobuse back ,she regretted giving shin that kiss while still been Nobuse girlfriend.like Hiormi she hated the fact that Nobuse refused to let her go and relieve her but the poor girl very well knew that she was destined to fail from the start -she knew the nature of shin's feelings for Hiromi .. Ai 's actions and guilt were because of her self-loathing and being deeply disturbed .. And Ai showed us what a great person she is by waiking a way from Shin and wanting to rebuild herself .. I liked all three girls and i felt sorry for all them -they all had it hard and i'm glad Shin picked Hiromi ^ ^ Hiromi has many fans in China as much as many westerns like Noe .People like Noe because they like perfection and don't worry hiromi is liked by many people ..poor Ai her fan base won't rise as fast as the other two ;;.. I guess many Noe fans don't seem to understand this show and view it as some sort of game which annoys me at least we Ai fans learned to accept the show for what it is .This is not like your average harem story ..loll I wonder why many Noe fans hate both Hiromi and Noe while both Ai and Hiromi fans like Noe ? |
sirwence said: foxy12 said: Well .. you can count me as a New Englander and thus a westerner a Hiromi appreciator and fan , who liked and enjoyed both Noe and Ai . Otherwise.. you more or less said it, I can't really improve on that lolsirwence said: One thing on guilt, all humans (which these characters are based on lol) live with 'guilt' thus is Ai happy ? Maybe not , will she suffer her entire life due to guilt from this event? Probably not , did I hate her character? No. But All of them have Guilt. Each character in that series has guilt. Some more then others sure. But Ai from what ive heard and seen is rebuilding herself, not over night but over time. As for popularity .. the Noe FB/G's out number both Ai's and Hiromi's .. combined. I agree with you here ^ ^..they all had guilt but Jun,mama and aiko even Shin had more guilt than the other's .. Because Ai made more mistakes than Hiromi ,she felt more guilt .Hiromi felt guilt as well for lying to Shin but she didn't have to cuz it's not her fault after all ...^ ^ Shin was bad for Aiko because of what she was doing to herself .she felt guilty and regreted not just hurting Nobuse but she regretted falling in love with shin as well (so many things) ..she regretted giving up on shin for hiromi ,she regretted not been honest with him about her feelings .she lothed herself a lot because she hurted NObuse and was using him to get close to shin .she regretted wasting her life for shin,she regretted doing things behind Nobuse back ,she regretted giving shin that kiss while still been Nobuse girlfriend.like Hiormi she hated the fact that Nobuse refused to let her go and relieve her but the poor girl very well knew that she was destined to fail from the start -she knew the nature of shin's feelings for Hiromi .. Ai 's actions and guilt were because of her self-loathing and being deeply disturbed .. And Ai showed us what a great person she is by waiking a way from Shin and wanting to rebuild herself .. I liked all three girls and i felt sorry for all them -they all had it hard and i'm glad Shin picked Hiromi ^ ^ Hiromi has many fans in China as much as many westerns like Noe .People like Noe because they like perfection and don't worry hiromi is liked by many people ..poor Ai her fan base won't rise as fast as the other two ;;.. I guess many Noe fans don't seem to understand this show and view it as some sort of game which annoys me at least we Ai fans learned to accept the show for what it is .This is not like your average harem story ..loll I wonder why many Noe fans hate both Hiromi and Noe while both Ai and Hiromi fans like Noe ? Yeah,you can also count me as a fan of Ai who liked both Hiromi and Noe ^ ^ |
| Noooooo Noeeeeee!!! No more Noe. Damn Shin for saying no to Noe. Blah, she was destined to be rejected. Her name says it all. Overall, I enjoyed this series greatly and have a soft spot for it. |
| Fear the finger of death |
Dexterous said: wow, im such a idiot for not realizing that obvious detail....how could this happen -__-Blah, she was destined to be rejected. Her name says it all. |
vinesageAug 11, 2009 5:07 AM
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vinesage said: Dexterous said: wow, im such a idiot for not realizing that obvious detail....how could this happen -__-Blah, she was destined to be rejected. Her name says it all. lol |
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