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Lol i dont think it will be that fast if its just released today...

BTW the twins seems to be corrupting nobukatsu by giving him a regalia thing, and tells him he has potential and that arthur wants him or something and tells him to come with them, nobukatsu seems to be seduced by the prospect of surpassing his brother....

Historically didnt nobunagas brother get killed by nobu? would be interesting, seems like the twins will turn nobukatsu or corrupt him

Aug 26, 2014 1:57 AM

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T_T

I was hoping the twins wouldn't be like their anime counterparts T_T. It does look like Nobukatsu's role is going to be bigger with the whole regalia thing. It can lead to a civil war like it almost did in the anime with half of the advisors siding with Nobukatsu and the other half siding with Nobu. I wonder how this will affect Ichi and Caesars relationship. We also can't forget Takeda's role in this story.

Yeah, in history his brother went to war with him for the right to rule the Oda clan.

Aug 26, 2014 2:38 AM

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Seems like the twins role in the manga is to corrupt nobukatsu and bring him over to the dark side.... he seems tempted of the promise to surpass his brother...

If the twins take nobukatsu to arthur, then i guess ichi will just worry about him

That said, if caesar knows his past, he will definitely turn against the round table as he was arthurs enemy in his past life

I doubt they will go for the civil war thing, also doesnt seem like caesar will betray shingen in the manga

Kenshin is in the manga too, though hes only shown in chapter 1

IMO it will just be a war between the east and the west with ceasar siding with Ichi, though the whole travelling into the future thing is kind of weird....

All that said, i think the whole caesars past life thingy being revealed he will have an important role in the story, and tbh i hope the reason caesar betrayed arthur in the past is actually because arthur was a cruel and brutal ruler (according to da vinci, this was the case in the manga translation last chapter), and Ichi will help caesar find that path (to turn against arthur, and even guinevere)

Still caesar seems to have less karma than the anime, he fought nobuhide in a fair fight and has not backstabbed shingen or destroyed and killed (too many) of the oda lands, so i guess theres hope for them

BTW the manga author said he goes on regular meetings with the show creators to discuss the manga direction so from last chapter it seems caesars wound is from his fight with arthur, and if the manga is consistent with the anime, then caesar said he got the wound in a duel 'over a lady'

So its possible that caesar in his past life did love guinevere..

If he remembers her, and if he did love her in his past life, he will have to choose between guinevere and ichi i guess (im sure he will end up choosing ichi though, its like one of those 'i loved you in my past life but now...' kind of thing)

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Aug 26, 2014 9:00 AM

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Awesome!

Yes, it's definitely clear Caesar will have a big role in the story, that's for sure. I really hope he and Ichi have a good end! LOL

I always wondered why Arthur in the anime treated Caesar specially. Ichi will definitely lead Caesar to betrayal.

Oh, I hope he averts it!
That's interesting...

I agree, that's why Caesar betrayed Arthur, though Caesar was wanting power, he's more likely to fall for the woman.

(that could be too)

Yeah, I'm curious about Caesar and Ichi's relationship status.

Yeah, Caesar is probably courting Ichi, for some reason I can't see him making her as his mistress.

LOL, the hair definitely seems to draw a connection between them. XD

Oh! Interesting about Nobukatsu! Yeah, historically Nobu killed his lil bro (who BTW, was older than Ichi. XD)

I hope that's the twin's only role and not to kill Caesar/Ichi!

Oh, Caesar will definitely betray Arthur!

Yeah, I doubt they'll shoehorn Caesar betraying Shingen.

Poor Kenshin! XD

That's what I think it'll be too, but yeah, that future thing is just weird. XD

I hope that's the reason Caesar did betray him too. Oh, Ichi just has to!

Oh, I hope there is hope for Caesar! LOL

Oh, that's interesting that the mangaka does.

It's highly possible that Caesar did.

Caesar has to choose Ichi! (exactly!)

Aug 26, 2014 9:58 AM

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Chapter 7 translation shows arthur asking guinevere 'why... why do you look at me with those eyes'

Something tells me that guinevere actually dislikes what arthur is doing now, and that she actually loves caesar in the past and that was the reason for his betrayal

Well with nobukatsu clearly going down a dark path, it might force mitsu to off him

IMO with caesar clearly deeply involved with the plot with his past connection to guinevere and arthur, it might be that the end is caesar vs arthur and nobu vs mitsu

It would be interesting if arthur kidnaps ichi as revenge for what caesar did in the past

While caesar and ichis relationship status isnt clear, we also dont know how much time has passed, maybe a few days?

But Ichi seems worried for caesar and tells him hes sweating alot and quickly put her arms around him to support him when he staggered and called him without a honorific, it seems that she doesnt dislike him at least, but how far their relationship has progressed isnt clear, i mean he sort of kidnapped her after all

And the female voice in jeannes prophecy in the anime is confirmed to be guinevere i guess

Aug 26, 2014 12:51 PM

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I have yet to read it, that is interesting.

I am feeling the same with what you're saying.

Probably will make Mitsu off him or maybe even Nobu.

That is what I would like to see! Seriously how the anime handled Arthur was HORRIBLE! So, I would like that.

Oh! I would definitely like Arthur to kidnap Ichi, that would be interesting.

Oh really? I haven't looked at the chap (what page is it, I can't seem to find it...). It definitely sounds like she doesn't hate him.

Has to be as who else?

Aug 26, 2014 1:29 PM

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Yeah, after reading the translated chapter it does look like Nobukatsu is changing. The anime definitely did a horrible job with Arthur and his motives. I definitely would like a Arthur kidnaps Ichi scenario where Caesar is her prince charming XD...

It's the new jap chapter that came out today on the nico page.

Aug 26, 2014 3:10 PM

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And the twins did mention that they tweaked the treatment... That's for sure, especially with how they got rid of him. That was LOL horrible. That would be gold! XD

I know and I have looked all through there and didn't see it... That's why I asked the page number (there's 716 pages to look through...)

Aug 26, 2014 8:12 PM

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Well you can just click on nobunaga the fool in the table of contents in the first page (though its in japanese) and it will take you right there...

If Ichi gets in trouble its probably because arthur wants to take revenge on caesar or something, in which case its his fault she gets kidnapped in the first place..

I think they need to give us some caesar x ichi moments though, like a proper one, before that happens

Aug 26, 2014 10:14 PM

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And where is that? XD I really aren't good with the internet. XD LOL

LOL, yeah, it would be his fault. XD

Oh, definitely! That's a must!

Aug 26, 2014 10:20 PM

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well when you 'play' the manga like a video the first couple of pages is the table of contents... click on nobunaga the fool and it will jump to the page itself..

http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/watch/bk1?track=nicoa_bk1#playing

Aug 26, 2014 10:53 PM

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Seriously? I had no idea! XD Thanks!

LOL, that is a different vid than what I was in! No wonder I couldn't find it, I was in the wrong one. XD LOL

Now, I have seen it. Man, the modern thing is weird! Definitely like the Caesar/Ichi scene. <3 And it looks like Caesar and Shingen are friends since they were there watching together. LOL

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Aug 27, 2014 3:10 AM

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Well if she is willing to put her arms around him and tells him hes sweating alot, she probably doesnt hate him at least...

Curiously she also asked him about what he saw and who he was in the past...

Aug 27, 2014 3:29 AM

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Just seen the raw one lastnight here... It seems Nobu is going berserk around the modern city (too bad I need wait for the translation)

It seems it getting really interesting especially if Nobukatsu turns evil etc...

Aug 27, 2014 2:24 PM

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I can't see Ichi hating him when she does that. If she did she would just watch him.

Eh? How would she know that? That's interesting.

Also in the translation it said Arthur couldn't find or get Guinevere's soul, right? Then how is she able to speak to Jeanne?

Aug 27, 2014 4:05 PM

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She actually seemed somewhat worried about him then, i wish they gave us more screentime between them.

Problem is we have to wait until september 30 now for next chapter, and there may not be any caesar x ichi scenes even then....

I wish they made their relationship clear though... what did Caesar take Ichi as? a prisoner? or maybe she agrees to be his in exchange for him not attacking the oda anymore and treating nobukatsu, at least i want to know how they spend the day together..

Well he mightve said something about it, idk

Maybe its her conciousness, but im more interested in caesars past relationship with guinevere

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Aug 27, 2014 5:18 PM

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She really does, I do too, so we would know why and it would make sense.

That... yeah, exactly, we may not even...

Seriously, why won't they tell us? I do too. Really, it's all too ambiguous.

Well, I'm more interested in that too, but I'm still curious.

Sep 9, 2014 7:15 PM

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Heres something I found to keep us waiting for the new chapter
http://www.alfoo.org/image/diary48/levela13/levela13-1410278857-1.png
BTW it looks like the new Mitsuhide chapter is out on pixv.

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Sep 10, 2014 12:13 PM

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Is that really Ichihime? I would never expect to see her like that! XD

Sep 10, 2014 10:25 PM

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Yeah, its definitely her. Me neither XD.

BTW are you still watching Aldnoah Zero Rose? Whats your thoughts on it now before the season ends.

Sep 11, 2014 8:01 PM

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Yeah, I am. I'm not quite sure. The stuff with Slaine and Saazbaum are interesting. That whole thing with Rayet was annoying though and Inaho... he's such a poorly written chara. What's your thoughts on it?

Sep 11, 2014 11:48 PM

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Same... Slaine is definitely the selling point of the series. The terran side just really isn't all that interesting. Yeah, Inaho just doesn't do it for me a failed attempt at a Gary Stu which I hate even more XD.

Anyways, Asseylums seiyuu said in the recent aldnoah radio that her opinion of Slaine has fallen in episode 12 (keep in mind Slaine is her favorite character). My guess is Slaine betrays her or something. I hope the Slaine X Hime ship doesn't sink T_T

Sep 12, 2014 1:32 PM

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Yeah, the terrans are boring and so flat. If they didn't have such simple names I would forget them. XD LOL, that is what he is. XD I heard that they didn't even decide Inaho's personality till the week they started animating and that later they changed his birthday as they realized that would make him 14 instead of 15. So yeah, he's not well planned. XD

Oh, really? That doesn't sound good... I hope so too, but... it doesn't sound good. T.T

Sep 21, 2014 12:57 AM

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Is the chara at the bottom supposed to be a grown Bianchi? (It's from the the artbook)

https://33.media.tumblr.com/9f02f9205f4e9db3934afee4d6376039/tumblr_nc3dlvTBzM1rkx48io4_1280.png

Can I just say the last ep of Aldnoah.zero made me like Slaine more! I REALLY hope that a certain person *cough*Gary Stu*cough* stays dead. Well, I had theorized he was going to die at the end of this season, but still a bit surprised that he did (they better not do some crazy stunt and have him come back not after that shot they showed). And Asseylum... I have a feeling she's alive. Why is there that last line of about her whereabouts is unknown if that's not the case? And unlike Inaho we didn't see her head with blood spilling out. So yeah, there's a chance she's alive IMO.

Sep 21, 2014 3:16 AM

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probably, nell and bianchi are probably vampires based on their surename tepes.

That pic is from the official artbook, which i saw the full version, coincidentally, part of the translation of ichihimes chara page was

'although she had faint/light feelings of love for mitsuhide, she entered into an arranged marriange with caesar for political reasons. Although she closed her heart to him initially, she was moved/touched by his gentleness/tenderness'

As for aldnoah zero, im happy inaho is dead, he was annoying for some reason, as for the princess the epilogue implies slaine may have taken her body (though at this point she should be dead)

It seems to be though that the princess secretly gave slaine the ability to activate aldnoah at some point, hence he can pilot the mecha.

Funnily enough, some people compared inaho and the princess death to caesar and ichi while slaine is mitsu..

I dont think its similar at all though, other than the fact that slaine and mitsu are both unlucky and had crap happens to them and made bad decisions

But slaine is far more symphatetic than mitsu

Inaho clearly had feelings for the princess with his flashbacks of her (flahsbacks also usually mean ure dead for real), but as for the princess she seemed to only see him as a friend, even after he saved her with CPR a couple of episodes back she was lying in the hospital bed and looking at slaines pendant.

Its not like caesar and ichi where they both clearly love each other at the end.

Also i really dont like how the show purposely put the princess and slaine apart and making them miss each other by seconds many time in the show, it would really suck if the princess started liking inaho just because slaine was kept apart from her cause of plot

Though whether the princess ever has romantic feelings for slaine is highly debatable, it seems to me she was too focused on stopping the war, but if the show didnt keep those two apart im sure it probably would lead to a romance

Sadly, even if the princess survives, i can only see it end badly, slaine made a bad decision to save the bad guy in the heat of the moment

my theory is that slaine is the true protag and the title of ep 12 'childhoods end' refers to slaine and that the first season is just a backstory for slaine and when the show restarts it will have a timeskip to slaine being an anti hero or anti villain with a tragic past and motivations that were shown in season 1

Sep 21, 2014 6:06 PM

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Was there any new Caesar or Ichi art in the artbook? Only a few more days for the new chapter :)

That Aldnoah zero episode T_T... I can see why Amamiya's opinion of Slaine dropped XD. Yeah, some post were saying they had deja vu with the ending scene and ep 21. I personally hope they stay dead and let Slaine take over :). They were saying how Slaine had a bigger role in season 2 and he does have the Aldnoah factor from what i'm guessing is a result of his fathers research.

It's kind of funny how the fandom basically hates Slaine now T_T.. jfs have the japanese fans had the same response?

Sep 22, 2014 12:26 AM

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That's a good description for Ichi.

Inaho was extremely annoying. I'm not sure Asseylum is dead. She could be, but they didn't show her head bleeding or anything. Inaho they showed a death shot of him, but none of the princess. I think they could go either way. I won't be surprised at however they choose to go. But I will say if Rayet becomes a main, I might drop it, as I can't stand her (she annoyed me more than Inaho even). If Slaine/Asseylum is still popular in Japan (which was the most popular pairing) then they'll probably have Asseylum alive as they wouldn't want to lose some of the audience. From what I hear with shows like this popularity of a chara and pairing is very importance for that chara's survival.

Yeah, it's not similar at all. Slaine is definitely way more sympathetic than Mitsu as for one Slaine doesn't pout about all his problems like he is.

Flashbacks always mean they are dead indeed, I didn't think of that. XD Yeah, Asseylum definitely always thought of him as a friend for sure.

Caesar & Ichi was a romantic death scene. Inaho and Asseylum... no.

That was so awfully done, I didn't like that at all either. That would have indeed stunk and be stupid if they did that.

Yeah, I agree there. It's debatable, but if they were together it would lead to her falling for him.

Yeah, I can only see it end badly too, but the route leading there may be good. Well, maybe...

I agree with you on that. Slaine is definitely the true one.

Sep 22, 2014 6:30 AM

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Actually the japanese fandoms were quite happy inaho died, almost 90 % were shipping slaine and princess (not counting yaoi shippers)

Slaine was by far the most popular, even the most popular anime chara atm in japan before ep 12, people symphatise with him because shit happens to him and he keeps getting unlucky (though he does stupid things) but i guess he has a cute design so the fandom likes him

Nah there isnt any illustrations of those 2

while the manga chapter is out soon, i wont get my expectations too high, we have 1 chap per month and we are not guaranteed any development between those 2

Sep 22, 2014 11:24 AM

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Yeah, I imagine so with how unpopular he was. I heard that Slaine/Asseylum were even more popular than any yaoi ship which is almost unheard of in mecha.

Is he still after ep 12? And Slaine is the most interesting chara in the series. Seriously, the Terran side is so flat. But yeah, Slaine has done stupid things, but don't really hold it against him.

Yeah, I won't either...

Sep 24, 2014 1:49 PM

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Reading through other forums and theres snippets of Urobuchi (One of the creators not involved with the show anymore) saying how season one was supposed to end with Seylum and Inaho having feelings for each other, but Slaine comes and takes Seylum away XD. He's been distancing himself away from the show so it does look like they are changing the story.

http://www.alfoo.org/image/diary48/levela13/levela13-1411569881-1.jpg
The back cover for volume 6.

Sep 26, 2014 9:59 PM

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Yeah, I just heard about that. Personally I like what they have changed better (Inaho dying and Seylum not falling for him) and well Slaine did take Seylum away and it's possible she is alive. So, besides her feelings being only platonic, I don't see too much of a change. Urobutcher's also distancing himself from Psycho Pass as well I have heard. I only watched a couple of eps of that anime, but I have a friend who is a fan.

So, Nobu and Himiko, eh?

Sep 30, 2014 3:02 AM

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The new chapter just came out. It's mostly a Nobunaga vs Nobukatsu chapter. Arthur and his Knights also are up to something it looks like. Still no Caesar X Ichi scene T_T

Oct 1, 2014 9:35 AM

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And Nobu got really badly wounded during the process, i wish i can understand it..

And Arthur looks so young unless it's the effects of the Grail or something or a Deceiving spell..

Oct 28, 2014 10:02 PM

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It looks like there was a caesar x Ichi moment this chapter! Can't wait for the translation.

Oct 29, 2014 1:13 AM

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It was indeed..

Basically caesar was wondering what happened between he and arthur in the past, ichi then told him that she was a woman born in the wartime etc and he was the one who killed her father and she resents him for it... but she then said that he had forgotten or lost something important or whatever...

And then she told him to go do what he has to do (which imo is confront arthur or smthng)

And then she said ' after that, please come back to my place/the place where i am' (basically she tells him to come back to her later)

Caesar asks her why she says those things to him even after he killed her father etc

She said something along the lines of 'he protected his promise to her and something about choosing her or whatever'

and she cried a little and said that somehow the way he tries to live without being bound by anything resembles her brother a little etc.

Its definitely a romantic moment since she clearly says she wants him to come back to her and stuff

Oct 29, 2014 12:51 PM

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Thanks for the summary jfs! It looks to me like the manga is reaching its climax soon. I hope Caesar does go back to Ichi T_T

Oct 29, 2014 6:21 PM

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Well, as long as it's a romantic moment I'm happy. XD And yup, looks like it's soon to end. Not surprising that it would be short. I hope so too, but... hm, I don't have the greatest trust of things ending happy in this series no matter the form. XD

Feb 1, 2015 5:53 AM

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Well chapter 12 just released and wow lot of info. Im not sure if this is the epilogue or another chapter is coming out. I just gotta say one thing right now Ichi x Caesar happily ever after lol.

Feb 1, 2015 12:45 PM

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Seriously? I can't believe it! LOL The manga doesn't like chara death like the anime, I guess. XD

Feb 1, 2015 2:14 PM

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Yeah no one died except for Arthur who alsgo got a happy ending since he was reunited with his love. Some weird parings also happened like Mitsu x Machiavelli and Cesare x Kenshin who is a female in the manga. I have to say its a really strange and happy ending compared to the anime. It looks like there is still gonna be a chapter 13 though.

BTW have you been keeping up with Aldnoah zero. It just looks like with each episode they are setting Slaine up as a Lelouch type character T_T

Feb 2, 2015 8:10 PM

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LOL, for real! He got a happy ending? XD I can kinda see the Mitsu/Machiavelli thing, but ONLY kinda. They did have some interaction & similarities in the anime, but still weird. But that Cesare/Kenshin... Where does THAT come from? Seriously! WHERE!? That is one of the most outlandish things ever! Yeah, I can see the strange part! Oh, I can't wait to read this in Eng! Well, hopefully everyone doesn't fall dead. XD

Yes, I have. I was so hoping that a certain Gary Stu had died, but alas. Yeah, it does. T.T I so hope he gets a happy ending though, but this is mecha anime...

Feb 2, 2015 10:42 PM

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Its been available on the English comic walker site for a few days now.

Me too, it really is annoying that the show still has the same formula. Incompetent martian appears unstoppable only to be defeated by a certain gary stu. The only reason season 2 is good is because of Slaine and his plans for Vers.

Feb 3, 2015 12:50 AM

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