Buddy Complex Episode 13 Discussion

iCards said:
Great last episode. It was probbly my favorite of season 1. I wondered what the color change was about, it was Aoba seeing Hina's memories from when she first went back. I wonder what Bizon that is? Is it a Bizon from episode 1 who survived some how(my guess since it looks like he is old and on life support.), or was it this Bizon who the Time Tunnel did a number on. Either way he is old as crap and he is still hate obssesed with Aoba.

RioFoxx said:
What was the summary of the convo with Dio, Aoba, and Hina at the end?

redd530 said:
Who's the guy with the black hair at the end card?

I'm guessing that since Bizon managed to get back in this timeline, another person from the past/future is also tasked into stopping him. And since that guy has black hair like Hina and spiky hair like Aoba, he might be their son.

At least that's what I'm hoping. :D

ex_necross said:
Couldn't keep myself from watching the raw, even though I should be waiting for subs.. was too hyped.

Great episode. The plot has come full circle, which is good. It may have been better if more was left to the imagination, but then we'd have a lot of people crying about lack of spoonfeeding and having to think for themselves, as seen with the Valvrave finale thread.

Personal final rating of 7. Much of the show was bland, but there are redeeming qualities.

ThangLong said:
Here are my theories about Buddy Complex:

The time travel in this anime does not rely on the time paradox like we had previously thought (based on assuming that Hina disappeared when travelling to the future because there would not be two Hina in a paradox). Instead, it is based on the multi-universe theory where they have jumped to another universe by the act of time traveling. Thus, both Hina and Aoba's actions here have no bearing on the previous universe and they cannot disappear because Hina didn't travel to the past (with the time paradox theory, not traveling to the past means the current Aoba will disappear because there's no Hina to bring him to the future).

According to the deceased Doctor, the Coupling tech closely resemble small time leaps. That explains why the mech can move with such speed and sometimes "jump" ahead of time. The anime loosely unitizes Quantum Mechanic to build up this phenomenon (Quantum particles cannot be observed and people have theorized that maybe they jump back and forth in another dimension to travel between multiple universes). Coupling tech has given the mech this ability and thus Aoba can see ahead of time or his mech can make small "leaps" ahead that create its incredible speed.

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Based on the OP's lyrics and symbolism, the theme of this anime is changing fate. It was implied that Hina's fate is the same in multiple loops where she followed Bizon into the wormhole (Hina was sent to the past earlier than Bizon and she helped Aoba not getting killed from his inevitable arrival). However, what has changed this time around?

First, both Hina and Aoba were sent to the future. Hina was sent to Zagreb 10 years earlier and her body was devolved into a young kid while still wearing her oversized school uniform. She only remembered her name was Hina and was picked up by her adoptive dad. Aoba was sent to Luxon's cockpit as we see in ep2.

Something must have gone differently during the time when Aoba was trying to couple with Dio using SkyNight and FireBrand. In previous loops, Aoba failed to couple (as shown in ep11) leading to Dio not seeing Aoba's past. This time, Dio saw it so he did not prevent Aoba to chase after Hina to the wormhole and helped him puling Hina back as well as shooting Bizon's mech. This saved both Hina and Aoba from a never ending loop.

However, by destroying Bizon's mech, there's another consequence. It's uncleared whether doing that have changed their reality at the time by making masked Bizon the leader of Zogilia, or masked Bizon has always been around in the first place. Nevertheless, we can deduce that without his mech, Bizon cannot find Aoba in the past to kill him. Instead, Bizon is somehow able to go to the early Zogilia and work his way up to become the leader of that country!

Hence, the war may have started because Bizon's grudges and jealousy against Aoba have transcended space and time.

mablibsking said:


I agree with your entire theory, except I have a few questions that I'm a bit confused about @_@. I also think that the Bizon we see in the ending of the episode who speaks about its finally time to meet Aoba again. But you claiming that the war may have started because of Bizon's grudges and jealousy against Aoba is confusing me a bit.

To start off, you do recognize that this is not what was theorized before, which was the time travel in one universe, but rather a multiverse, in which they are travelling through. Then, it'd make sense that there was a loop with Hina, Bizon, and Aoba. However, this would suggest that every loop they've had (I don't know how many, could've been just that once as I'm being led to believe. But it is plausible that it has happened more than just once, perhaps many more times than imaginable.) concluded with Hina, Bizon, and Aoba being sent back. Then, Hina kills Bizon and sens Aoba back to the future, starting another loop. This is what I understand of the time loop before this one (again could be many time loops). This one that they're in right now, however, is different. This is because they stopped the loop and shot down Bizon, but he's a tenacious bastard so he's still alive. Anyways, this would make the first loop in which Bizon climbs up the ladders of Zogilia 74 years from the past, which by the way, would make him 94, as the wiki states he is 20. However, this is assuming it is the same Bizon. But then the question would be .... how is Bandai going to make this work?

What I mean by that question is that if we look at the time loop theory again, we would know that the current Hina and Aoba are in Universe A; while Bizon, having been teleported into Universe B. This is, of course, assuming that Multi-verse is the correct Quantum Theory. Therefore, Bizon in Universe B cannot directly affect Hina and Aoba directly in Universe A. Then, the question would be, how exactly did Bizon start a war for Nectoribium, which was a disguise to enact his revenge on Aoba. This is the part that kind of confuses me, and excuse me if I'm taking a joke seriously o_o. The problem is that it is impossible for this to happen, as if two Bizons are in the same Universe, either B or A, then wouldn't they cause a rip in the space-time fabric? Well this is what I know from Sci-Fi of course. And this also ignores the fact that they're not in a different universe from Bizon. So I'm actually quite confused and stoked for Bandai's magic band-aid to Time leap Paradox.

Tl;dr:
Time Leap Theory = Problems
Multi-verse Theory = Fits, but has problems with the future of S2.
- Current Aoba, Dio, Hina, and Bizon = Universe A
- Events in episode 13 happens, cause time travel to Universe B.
- Things were about to loop again, but because of events in Episode 11, things changed.
- In the end, only Bizon was teleported to Universe B, while Aoba et al are in Universe A (with modifications b/c of Episode 11)
- Universe B =/= Universe A
- Therefore, Bizon can't directly start war to kill Aoba for stealing Hina.
- !?!?!?!?!?
- Confused consumer of Anime.

K1ngOfHeroes said:
Who was the blond haired chick and the purple-ish haired guy that were in the picture with Hina, Aoba and Dio right after the ED finished?

mablibsking said:
I agree with your entire theory, except I have a few questions that I'm a bit confused about @_@. I also think that the Bizon we see in the ending of the episode who speaks about its finally time to meet Aoba again. But you claiming that the war may have started because of Bizon's grudges and jealousy against Aoba is confusing me a bit...

_Tako_ said:
Plot hole spotted.
If Dio didn't stop Aoba and they destroyed Bizon's Mecha that'll mean that Aoba SHOULD have lived a normal life in his time period w/o ever going into the future! At the same this means that Hina would've stayed as a random Zogilia soldier would she not?