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Edefrem said: Exactly. And people wonder why Rin is my favorite character.. >.>To everyone who hates Rin: http://sozziesocks.tumblr.com/post/59638877024/warning-this-post-contains-even-more-spoilers-for shut the fuck up and go away |
maverick0999 said: Laciie said: Mikuo_Chan said: Edefrem said: To everyone who hates Rin: http://sozziesocks.tumblr.com/post/59638877024/warning-this-post-contains-even-more-spoilers-for shut the fuck up and go away Yeah yeah yeah what a load of analytical character crap! I want to watch a damn cartoon about sexy swimming guys, I'm not here for a psychology lecture. Just goes to show that you have no argument. Guess what? Free! isn't just 'a damn cartoon about sexy swimming guys'. If you've actually been watching the show, you'd know. And in fact, what that person wrote on her blog compliments Free! as a whole not just Rin. It is what it is. The problem with free is that it dosen't know what to be sometimes is serious sometimes is full on comedy both haru and rin are made this serious characters but the other characters are made for comic relief like rei, nagisa, gou and makoto and they didn't bother to give them any development except the back story that we got for makoto that makes me not care about the other characters races or anything that they do yes there fun to watch and good for comic relief but if you can make haru and rin this serious characters why not try to develop some of the other characters. Now that i think about it has similar problems to SAO it dosen't know what to be it tries to be everything but succeeds in nothing. The focus of Free! is on Rin and Haru. But the other characters do get development as well. Rei has developed from someone merely relying on theory to solve his problems and do well to someone who with the realization that theory doesn't solve everything; hard work does too. He's learnt to care about the team. Like this, the other characters also have their own role to play. Gou is someone who constantly worries about Rin and always tries and finds a way to get him back to the way he was before, Makoto has faced his fear and come to a conclusion that he wants to swim with everyone, Nagisa is the one who keeps them together, in a way. He's the one who suggested the swimming club, for example. He keeps them bonded. So, even though the focus is Haru and Rin, the other still have a role to play. Free! has a good mix of seriousness and comedy. The first few episodes focused mainly on the comedy (mainly the first two), and the others became more serious. There is still comedy, of course, but there is less of it than before. SAO itself is a plethora of problems that cannot be compared to Free! I don't want to discuss this though because SAO is not the topic at hand. |
LaciieAug 29, 2013 12:18 PM
Laciie said: maverick0999 said: Laciie said: Mikuo_Chan said: Edefrem said: To everyone who hates Rin: http://sozziesocks.tumblr.com/post/59638877024/warning-this-post-contains-even-more-spoilers-for shut the fuck up and go away Yeah yeah yeah what a load of analytical character crap! I want to watch a damn cartoon about sexy swimming guys, I'm not here for a psychology lecture. Just goes to show that you have no argument. Guess what? Free! isn't just 'a damn cartoon about sexy swimming guys'. If you've actually been watching the show, you'd know. And in fact, what that person wrote on her blog compliments Free! as a whole not just Rin. It is what it is. The problem with free is that it dosen't know what to be sometimes is serious sometimes is full on comedy both haru and rin are made this serious characters but the other characters are made for comic relief like rei, nagisa, gou and makoto and they didn't bother to give them any development except the back story that we got for makoto that makes me not care about the other characters races or anything that they do yes there fun to watch and good for comic relief but if you can make haru and rin this serious characters why not try to develop some of the other characters. Now that i think about it has similar problems to SAO it dosen't know what to be it tries to be everything but succeeds in nothing. The focus of Free! is on Rin and Haru. But the other characters do get development as well. Rei has developed from someone merely relying on theory to solve his problems and do well to someone who with the realization that theory doesn't solve everything; hard work does too. He's learnt to care about the team. Like this, the other characters also have their own role to play. Gou is someone who constantly worries about Rin and always tries and finds a way to get him back to the way he was before, Makoto has faced his fear and come to a conclusion that he wants to swim with everyone, Nagisa is the one who keeps them together, in a way. He's the one who suggested the swimming club, for example. He keeps them bonded. So, even though the focus is Haru and Rin, the other still have a role to play. Free! has a good mix of seriousness and comedy. The first few episodes focused mainly on the comedy (mainly the first two), and the others became more serious. There is still comedy, of course, but there is less of it than before. SAO itself is a plethora of problems that cannot be compared to Free! I don't want to discuss this though because SAO is not the topic at hand. I'm not saying that Free! is a bad show for me its and ok to good show something like 6.5/10 but people are making the show more than it is like the whole complexity of Rin is stupid his just an over sensitive character who cannot let go of his lost against Haru that's not complexity that's your basic rival characters you can see those kinds of characters in every sports anime like in Hajime no Ippo you have Miyata who lost to Ippo in the early episodes and he cannot progress as boxer without beating Ippo which is the same character as Rin. i won't call rei training and learning how to swim character development that's like calling power ups in shounen anime development. I still think the show is fun and entertaining and worth watching but i don't like people making shows more than they are. |
maverick0999 said: Laciie said: maverick0999 said: Laciie said: Mikuo_Chan said: Edefrem said: To everyone who hates Rin: http://sozziesocks.tumblr.com/post/59638877024/warning-this-post-contains-even-more-spoilers-for shut the fuck up and go away Yeah yeah yeah what a load of analytical character crap! I want to watch a damn cartoon about sexy swimming guys, I'm not here for a psychology lecture. Just goes to show that you have no argument. Guess what? Free! isn't just 'a damn cartoon about sexy swimming guys'. If you've actually been watching the show, you'd know. And in fact, what that person wrote on her blog compliments Free! as a whole not just Rin. It is what it is. The problem with free is that it dosen't know what to be sometimes is serious sometimes is full on comedy both haru and rin are made this serious characters but the other characters are made for comic relief like rei, nagisa, gou and makoto and they didn't bother to give them any development except the back story that we got for makoto that makes me not care about the other characters races or anything that they do yes there fun to watch and good for comic relief but if you can make haru and rin this serious characters why not try to develop some of the other characters. Now that i think about it has similar problems to SAO it dosen't know what to be it tries to be everything but succeeds in nothing. The focus of Free! is on Rin and Haru. But the other characters do get development as well. Rei has developed from someone merely relying on theory to solve his problems and do well to someone who with the realization that theory doesn't solve everything; hard work does too. He's learnt to care about the team. Like this, the other characters also have their own role to play. Gou is someone who constantly worries about Rin and always tries and finds a way to get him back to the way he was before, Makoto has faced his fear and come to a conclusion that he wants to swim with everyone, Nagisa is the one who keeps them together, in a way. He's the one who suggested the swimming club, for example. He keeps them bonded. So, even though the focus is Haru and Rin, the other still have a role to play. Free! has a good mix of seriousness and comedy. The first few episodes focused mainly on the comedy (mainly the first two), and the others became more serious. There is still comedy, of course, but there is less of it than before. SAO itself is a plethora of problems that cannot be compared to Free! I don't want to discuss this though because SAO is not the topic at hand. I'm not saying that Free! is a bad show for me its and ok to good show something like 6.5/10 but people are making the show more than it is like the whole complexity of Rin is stupid his just an over sensitive character who cannot let go of his lost against Haru that's not complexity that's your basic rival characters you can see those kinds of characters in every sports anime like in Hajime no Ippo you have Miyata who lost to Ippo in the early episodes and he cannot progress as boxer without beating Ippo which is the same character as Rin. i won't call rei training and learning how to swim character development that's like calling power ups in shounen anime development. I still think the show is fun and entertaining and worth watching but i don't like people making shows more than they are. I never accused you of calling Free! bad in the first place. No one is making Free! more than it is, this is just how it is. Rin is not just an over sensitive character. Do you know why he can't let go of his loss against Haru? It isn't just a stupid reason. It's because he worked so hard for one year in Australia, trying to take a step forward to his father's dream, and when he came back he decided to face Haru, who was his only obstacle in achieving his dreams of qualifying for the Olympics. He felt devastated when he realized that, even after all that hard work, he STILL lost to Haru. He's not letting go of that match because that is what drives him forward to work harder and become a better swimmer to fulfill his father's dream. After he beat Haru in the previous episode, he was supposed to be free, but then he realized what he wanted, was more than just his father's dream, it was to swim with his friends again. The whole complexity behind Rin's character is his emotional baggage. This is what separates him from being just a simple rival. Simple rivalry is just competetivity. In that case, Rin should have just wanted to win against Haru, and for no other reason. But the reason Rin wanted to win against Haru was because he admired Haru and he wanted to fulfill his father's dream. I have no idea about Miyata, I haven't seen Hajime no Ippo. I never said that Rin was a 'one and only' character, there of course may be characters out there like him. That was a powerup? Do you even know what a typical shounen powerup is? Rei tried and worked hard and he managed to learn how to swim. If you consider this a powerup, you must consider everything achieved from hard work a powerup. If someone becomes an expert piano player by working hard and practicing every day, did they just get a powerup? No. Rei practiced for hours and finally was able to learn the butterfly stroke. |
| Haruka cheered up faster than I expected. The relay was very thrilling to watch! It seems like Rin thinks Rei is a newbie and sees him as a replacement for him. "Is that supposed to be a butterfly?" xD No way he meant it when he said he didn't want to swim with Haruka again. Him watching the relay proves it. |
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| Rin abot Rei: "Why is someone like you swimming with them?!" Why does Rin even care at this point? He won the race against Haruka. He should be gone by now and somewhere minding his own personal business! What Iwatobi does now shouldn't matter to him. Sent with Mal Updater |
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| A jealous Rin was funny to watch~ ;) *lol* Rei and his goggles, nyiahaha! Really~ this guy is just great! X) Meow! Makoto was lovely, as always <3 I won't mind having him waiting for meh, it would be pure bliss~ (who said a dog? *lol*) Good job Gou-chan! Can't wait to see Haruka swimming (*w*) PS: Mikoshiba was awesome, as expected from Sametsuka's Captain! |
Villetta_Nu said: Rin abot Rei: "Why is someone like you swimming with them?!" Why does Rin even care at this point? He won the race against Haruka. He should be gone by now and somewhere minding his own personal business! What Iwatobi does now shouldn't matter to him. Sent with Mal Updater Wow. It's precisely because he DOES care about the team that he said that. He came to a realization that what he really wanted was to swim with them. He clearly wants to be friends with them again. |
Laciie said: maverick0999 said: Laciie said: maverick0999 said: Laciie said: Mikuo_Chan said: Edefrem said: To everyone who hates Rin: http://sozziesocks.tumblr.com/post/59638877024/warning-this-post-contains-even-more-spoilers-for shut the fuck up and go away Yeah yeah yeah what a load of analytical character crap! I want to watch a damn cartoon about sexy swimming guys, I'm not here for a psychology lecture. Just goes to show that you have no argument. Guess what? Free! isn't just 'a damn cartoon about sexy swimming guys'. If you've actually been watching the show, you'd know. And in fact, what that person wrote on her blog compliments Free! as a whole not just Rin. It is what it is. The problem with free is that it dosen't know what to be sometimes is serious sometimes is full on comedy both haru and rin are made this serious characters but the other characters are made for comic relief like rei, nagisa, gou and makoto and they didn't bother to give them any development except the back story that we got for makoto that makes me not care about the other characters races or anything that they do yes there fun to watch and good for comic relief but if you can make haru and rin this serious characters why not try to develop some of the other characters. Now that i think about it has similar problems to SAO it dosen't know what to be it tries to be everything but succeeds in nothing. The focus of Free! is on Rin and Haru. But the other characters do get development as well. Rei has developed from someone merely relying on theory to solve his problems and do well to someone who with the realization that theory doesn't solve everything; hard work does too. He's learnt to care about the team. Like this, the other characters also have their own role to play. Gou is someone who constantly worries about Rin and always tries and finds a way to get him back to the way he was before, Makoto has faced his fear and come to a conclusion that he wants to swim with everyone, Nagisa is the one who keeps them together, in a way. He's the one who suggested the swimming club, for example. He keeps them bonded. So, even though the focus is Haru and Rin, the other still have a role to play. Free! has a good mix of seriousness and comedy. The first few episodes focused mainly on the comedy (mainly the first two), and the others became more serious. There is still comedy, of course, but there is less of it than before. SAO itself is a plethora of problems that cannot be compared to Free! I don't want to discuss this though because SAO is not the topic at hand. I'm not saying that Free! is a bad show for me its and ok to good show something like 6.5/10 but people are making the show more than it is like the whole complexity of Rin is stupid his just an over sensitive character who cannot let go of his lost against Haru that's not complexity that's your basic rival characters you can see those kinds of characters in every sports anime like in Hajime no Ippo you have Miyata who lost to Ippo in the early episodes and he cannot progress as boxer without beating Ippo which is the same character as Rin. i won't call rei training and learning how to swim character development that's like calling power ups in shounen anime development. I still think the show is fun and entertaining and worth watching but i don't like people making shows more than they are. I never accused you of calling Free! bad in the first place. No one is making Free! more than it is, this is just how it is. Rin is not just an over sensitive character. Do you know why he can't let go of his loss against Haru? It isn't just a stupid reason. It's because he worked so hard for one year in Australia, trying to take a step forward to his father's dream, and when he came back he decided to face Haru, who was his only obstacle in achieving his dreams of qualifying for the Olympics. He felt devastated when he realized that, even after all that hard work, he STILL lost to Haru. He's not letting go of that match because that is what drives him forward to work harder and become a better swimmer to fulfill his father's dream. After he beat Haru in the previous episode, he was supposed to be free, but then he realized what he wanted, was more than just his father's dream, it was to swim with his friends again. The whole complexity behind Rin's character is his emotional baggage. This is what separates him from being just a simple rival. Simple rivalry is just competetivity. In that case, Rin should have just wanted to win against Haru, and for no other reason. But the reason Rin wanted to win against Haru was because he admired Haru and he wanted to fulfill his father's dream. I have no idea about Miyata, I haven't seen Hajime no Ippo. I never said that Rin was a 'one and only' character, there of course may be characters out there like him. That was a powerup? Do you even know what a typical shounen powerup is? Rei tried and worked hard and he managed to learn how to swim. If you consider this a powerup, you must consider everything achieved from hard work a powerup. If someone becomes an expert piano player by working hard and practicing every day, did they just get a powerup? No. Rei practiced for hours and finally was able to learn the butterfly stroke. What are you talking about Rin beat Haru when he came back from Australia he wasn't satisfied with the reaction that Haru had after the loss Haru basically didn't care. So when he beat him in front of a big crowd no matter how laid back he is nobody wants to lose twice that's basic human nature. When i said over sensitive i meant when he lost to Haru when he was young before he went to Australia he looked like how Haru did at the tournament, he was so depressed that he couldn't let go of that loss for a year and even when he beat him he still wasn't satisfied because he wanted Haru to feel like he felt when he lost to him a year ago. For me that's basic rivals like Naruto vs Sasuke, Goku vs Vegeta they always fight each other and vegeta always wanted to beat Goku at its best and make him feel like he did when he lost that's the same thing with Haru vs Rin but there still friends even if there goals and way of doing things are different, also the whole father thing that's your basic sad story, somebody who Rin admire and love dies and fails in completing his goal so Rin does everything to complete that goal that his fathers wasn't able to complete there's nothing bad in this but i hate people trying to make Rin one of the most complex sports anime characters, i'm gonna do another comparison to Hajime no Ippo i hope you watch it, the character i mention Miyata also had a sad past with his father not completing his goal, hell almost every character whose a rival/friend like Rin had similar sad past. With the whole power up thing its my mistake i meant something like Naruto training to learn a new technique like a rasengan or how to fight that's not development in my opinion. |
| The Gou was to verify if Haru was in the bathroom D: |
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Anywhoo, addressing what you said. -Rin's main goal was to beat Haru. He didn't have time for Nagisa and Makoto, and for some reason they took that better than you (because they knew there was more to it that "omgeee Rin's such a dick! ignoring us lyke dat!!!") - Rin is not a douche. He's a insecure teenager who puts up a front. There's a difference. - Iwatobi Swim Club will not move on because he was/is their friend, and unlike you, care about and can forgive him. Honestly, I never knew the Free! fandom was full of such judgmental people. Haven't you ever hurt someone you cared about? Hasn't some you care about ever hurt you? But in the end, you forgive, forget and move the fuck on. That's how you live a positive life. Like the fact you wanted them to all walk off and ignore Rin, says a lot about how forgiving you are as a person. |
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maverick0999 said: I was talking about the first time Rin came back from Australia and met Haru by coincidence. He came back to visit that year. He had already gone to Australia. That match wasn't before. Anyways, when he came back the second time from Australia, he was pissed because Haru was clearly just letting him win. That's what he read from Haru's careless response. That would make achieving his father's dream completely meaningless for him because he didn't actually beat Haru. He didn't want Haru to feel like how he felt years ago (and it wasn't just a year ago, it was several years ago) he just wanted to beat Haru. He was dissatisfied not because he didn't get Haru to feel how he felt years ago, he was dissatisfied because he failed to beat his obstacle. Because, like I said, Haru was the only obstacle that stood before Rin's father's dream. I'm not sure where you're hearing that, but no one is saying Rin is the most complex character in sports anime. His character itself, without being compared to anyone, is well written and complex. No one is comparing him to anyone, it's just him himself. Rei learning the butterfly stroke itself was not the development. The development I'm talking about was in my first post in response to you, but you didn't get it so I'll say it again. It was his attitude. Rei's attitude towards these kinds of things completely changed. He went from someone who only cared about theory to succeed in things to someone who realized that hard work had it's charm and relying on friends was a good thing. This is character development. It's very subtle but it's still there. |
| Laciie and I are literally the Rin Matsuoka defense squad of MAL XD I laugh now, but cross me, and I will cut you |
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Edefrem said: Laciie and I are literally the Rin Matsuoka defense squad of MAL XD I laugh now, but cross me, and I will cut you Yes. This is completely and totally okay with me. Please don't I'm scared now |
Laciie said: Aww I'd never hurt you! <3 <3 <3Edefrem said: Laciie and I are literally the Rin Matsuoka defense squad of MAL XD I laugh now, but cross me, and I will cut you Yes. This is completely and totally okay with me. Please don't I'm scared now but I'd without a doubt cut all these bitches talking shit |
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| Makoto waited until Haru got back, even after telling everyone else to go home... *cries of cuteness* |
| This was so hard to quote, like jfc. Anway: tokinokanatae said: There's nothing wrong with not having the time or inclination to have relationships with other people. If Rin doesn't want to be friends with Makoto or Nagisa, he should have just said, "I don't really have time for anything except my swimming right now" or even, "I'm not interested in being friends any more." There's absolutely no need to be insulting to people by implying they're not worth spending time with in regards to other people. Rin didn't just not want to spend time with them, he scoffed at Haruka wanting to spend time with them. Do you understand the difference? Yes I do understand. Rin's is not a nice, "thinks about other's feelings" kind of person. He's mean, cold, dare I say, not perfect. But you can still tell that even with the, "Idgaf about you guys front", he still cares about his friends. tokinokanatae said: I'm not going to argue this with you except to say I can definitely think that insecure teenagers are douches, especially when they take out their insecurities on uninvolved parties. So I take it you were never insecure as a teenager? Because, even thought I'm still one, I can admit I have. And I've said some pretty awful things to people I care about (mother, brother, best friend) because I was angry and upset with myself. Did it hurt them? I'm sure it did. Did they forgive me? Yes, because they freaking care about me. Like where is your heart????? tokinokanatae said: Of course they can. The show is about friendship, which means all of Rin's sins will be forgiven and he'll be accepted back into the fold, no questions asked. It would be nice if he had to apologize before doing so, but I'm not going to hold my breath. I agree, I would like to see him say sorry. But I'm not gonna go crazy with anger if he doesn't. Somethings left unsaid, are still understood. tokinokanatae said: Forgiving and forgetting doesn't mean you have to be close friends with the person in question, or put up with them being insulting to you until they finally explain what made them upset. Rin broke contact with Haruka half a decade ago and the others even later. If my childhood friend made it clear they held me in derision, I would "forgive" them, "forget" about them, and "move the fuck on" until I'm no longer a part of their lives and they are not a part of mine. That's more healthy than trying to one-sidedly trying to rebuild a friendship someone else isn't interested in maintaining. But they keep trying, because they care and have big hearts and are lovely and amazzzzing. And that's what it'll take to "get Rin back" tokinokanatae said: Rin is practically screaming "leave me alone" every time they come face to face. It's hilarious that you exonerate Rin's actions in one breath, and yet would judge the actions of people who would take him at his word in the other. Jajaja mad that I judged you? Jkjk I'm sorry you get they feeling that I'm ignoring or trying to play down Rin's actions, but I don't see them to be nearly as awful as so many people seem to be making them out to be. You all act like he was directly trying to hurt the other's feelings when that simply isn't the case. |
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Kallen_R2 said: He probs just saw her in bikini mag XDThe pizza guy is so funny. I wonder what's going on between him and the teacher....HMmMmm |
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| Damn that cliffhanger -_- Anyway the swimming competition was fun. |
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| @tokinokanatae (because quoting this is too much effort) -Well obviously it's put there too soften him. It's just like all his douchey scenes are put in to play up on his whole "rival/villain/etc" archetype. What I quite enjoy about him, is how sadly realsitic and dynamic he is as a character. You can give me 20 reasons to hate him and I can give you twice as much as why you shouldn't. And it's didn't change what he did, it changed the REAAAAAASONS at why he did and said the things he did. -I don't care whether or not you like or agree with his reasons, they're his not yours. And lol, of course I wasn't able to cut off ties with my mother and move away from years, but I know (and really really regret) the things that I did and said and I'm sure Rin will be in that place as well. Besides, he had a pretty big dream to accomplish, and based off of what we've seen from him now, he didn't have time to play around with his old/former buddies. And nothing ever said Rin left on bad terms (and cut off all contact), if anything it was probably a typical/tearful goodbye before he came back completely different. -And please don't use the words abuse. Please. Someone on tumblr did, and it sparked quite a bit of rage. Abuse is a STRONG word, and should not be used for a teenage boy being mean to his friends. I can definitely tell you what real emotional abuse is, so stahp. Also I don't quite agree with is being a case of Rin having the final say on whether or not they were all pals. Especially when it comes to Haru, not once has he ever given off the impression that he wants to be friends with Rin again. And before you give some example to argue that, the VIEWERS (NOT Rin) know that he does. So that's why we're all sad when Rin tells Haru he's done, and Haru gets depressed. But Rin didn't know that. He doesn't know anything because Haru never expresses himself clearly. And that's when the character development happens. For both of them. Because you know, that's life. We get hurt, we get over it, and we move on as better people. That's what they're going to do to and for eachother. And that's purdy |
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fanfanfanatic said: That's because Makoto is a great freaking person who understands how it is and isn't a self righteous judge unlike a majority of this fandomI just love the fact he wasn't disrespectful to Rin. |
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tokinokanatae said: Laciie said: I never accused you of calling Free! bad in the first place. No one is making Free! more than it is, this is just how it is. Rin is not just an over sensitive character. Do you know why he can't let go of his loss against Haru? It isn't just a stupid reason. It's because he worked so hard for one year in Australia, trying to take a step forward to his father's dream, and when he came back he decided to face Haru, who was his only obstacle in achieving his dreams of qualifying for the Olympics. Haruka was never remotely an obstacle for Rin, except in his own mind. He decided to use Haruka as a yardstick to measure his own progress, and then got upset when the distance he'd traveled wasn't as far as he'd expected or wanted. In using Haruka in that way, he ended up hurting both himself and Haruka, because he made Haruka into a prop instead of a rival. Haruka wasn't interested in going to the Olympics. A mutual rivalry only occurs when you are both striving for the same goal. Anything else is sad and one-sided. Laciie said: He felt devastated when he realized that, even after all that hard work, he STILL lost to Haru. He's not letting go of that match because that is what drives him forward to work harder and become a better swimmer to fulfill his father's dream. After he beat Haru in the previous episode, he was supposed to be free, but then he realized what he wanted, was more than just his father's dream, it was to swim with his friends again. No, Rin isn't even close to having that realization yet. (It'll take at least another episode.) Right now he's in the selfish stage where he can't believe that other people are capable of doing the same things they once did with him without him. Time and distance had made Nagisa and Makoto into props off to the side of his and Haruka's "rivalry", but Makoto's words took the wind out of his sails and forced him to remember a time when it was the four of them working in tandem that achieved the best results. (As an aside, Makoto is pivotal to both Haruka and Rin. People tend to want to forget that and pretend Haruka and Rin's relationship exists in a narrative bubble. In this episode, Makoto was the one that said everything that Haruka had been wishing and hoping for in regards to Rin during their confrontation. Likewise, Makoto is the one that gave Haruka the key to unlock his own desires when he talked about "swimming together".) Laciie said: The whole complexity behind Rin's character is his emotional baggage. This is what separates him from being just a simple rival. Simple rivalry is just competetivity. In that case, Rin should have just wanted to win against Haru, and for no other reason. But the reason Rin wanted to win against Haru was because he admired Haru and he wanted to fulfill his father's dream No, rivalry is not simply being competitive with someone; it's a complex relationship that encompasses both immense frustration and respect. I agree that Rin and Haruka don't quite have a rivalry, but that's not a stain on rivalries themselves. In fact, what Rin and Haruka have is "competition". They have the frustration of a rivalry, but none of the respect. That's why they end up hurting one another instead of helping push the other further. Rin's ultimate goal is to go to the Olympics. However, that short term goal of his was to beat Haru. This goal would give him the satisfaction he needed to proceed to achieve his long term goal. And Haru? He didn't care either way. He just wanted to get it over with. However, in High Speed! it showed that Haru did feel some rivalry towards Rin, not because he cared who one, because he couldn't stand anyone 'feeling' the water more than he did. However, this is in the past and not now. I do agree that the rivalry in this case only is one sided on Rin's part as Haru did not essentially care. You mentioned that Rin did not respect Haru. Rin sees it as hard work and technique over talent. Nitori points out in epsiode 4 I think that sometimes talent is the be all end all and that really irks Rin. I feel like Rin has idolised Haru and placed him on a pedestal. When he was little, Haru was an enigma that Rin just couldn't figure out. I feel like Australia was entirely about Rin perfecting what he's good at to see if he had what it takes to one up Haru and his talent. But the Haru with minimum effort just seems to take away that notion from him. And it all goes back to that first quote. Of course Haru is hurt by Rin's behaviour. And Rin is hurt by Haru when they race. Rin doesn't seem to know what he wants at this point. Rin wants Haru to give it his all but that's exactly what Haru did in the prelims. Haru trained and tried to lower his time. These are all things he doesn't care about but he did it for that match and he's more competative when it comes to Rin. But the real question is, does Haru race like this when he's around Rin because he feels the push to do it for himself, or is it to pacify Rin? And the anime shows both of this. And much of Rin's disappointment goes back to his idolisation of Haru. First it starts of as "why am I losing to him when I trained so hard" and then it progresses to "is he even trying?" I think a part of these issues is also the way Rin wins against Haru. That first race, Haru smoked him, the second time they were neck and neck, but what happened in the prelims? Haru was trailing so far behind him at one point. And I think that's the point where Rin got over this idolisation. That Haru isn't undefeatable. That he has figured him out. That's why he wanted to put an end to his racing. And this is when it becomes a 'competition' like you said, because he stops admiring him. Yeah Rin uses Haru as a prop during their matches but again, idoltry. When someone admires another, they use them as a level to match up to. Now he sees him as a person and when they face off in the relay, that's when they'll find real closure. I agree with your comment on Makoto. I see him as a mediator, the one who tries and fixes problems. Also, I may have used the word 'realization' too loosely. What I meant was, that he is currently coming to that realization. However, he has not exactly realized it yet. |
tokinokanatae said: I see that's all you seem to address I knew I was making valid points!!!!!... And anyway, I still don't think it's a justifiable reason to use that word.Edefrem said: -And please don't use the words abuse. Please. Someone on tumblr did, and it sparked quite a bit of rage. Abuse is a STRONG word, and should not be used for a teenage boy being mean to his friends. I can definitely tell you what real emotional abuse is, so stahp. "Abuse" has more than one meaning. In this context, it means that Rin says rude things to his friends, not that he is systematically emotionally abusing them. On another note, do you hate Rin? Do you think he is a bad person? |
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tokinokanatae said: Laciie said: You mentioned that Rin did not respect Haru. Rin sees it as hard work and technique over talent. Nitori points out in epsiode 4 I think that sometimes talent is the be all end all and that really irks Rin. I feel like Rin has idolised Haru and placed him on a pedestal. I don't think Rin idolizes Haruka at all. Yes, he's placed him higher than himself, but that's, again, as a yardstick to measure Rin's own growth. What Rin feels towards Haruka is frustration and envy, because he assumes that what Rin himself desires comes easy to Haruka. At this point in time, Rin is incapable of understanding that what other people choose to do with their talents has no reflection on what he does with his own. Rather than frustration and envy towards Haru, I feel like Rin feels more frustrated with himself. I agree with him being frustrated with Haru, but that's because Haru did not try the second time around. Haru's attitude was what frustrated him. Rin had admired Haru even before going to Austrailia, back when they were still good friends. And again, the yardstick thing; when you admire someone, you place them on a higher level than yourself, and try to match yourself to them. You want to be like them, maybe even surpass them. Rin saw Haru as someone that could not be beaten and wanted to become like that. Also, I don't think Rin assumes that what he's strived for comes easily to Haru. Because what Rin's working hard for isn't coming easily to Haru; back then, Haru worked hard for swimming as well. This is a quality that Rin admires. Haru, back then, practised quite hard for the races and all. However after, Rin lost after coming back from Australia, he stopped. I agree when you say that Rin feels frustration towards Haru, but I disagree that he envies Haru. However, if you do think that he does envy Haru it'd be nice if you could point out an instance in the anime when it is evident that he does. |
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tokinokanatae said: Laciie said: However, if you do think that he does envy Haru it'd be nice if you could point out an instance in the anime when it is evident that he does. Rin: He has incredible talent, but all he talks about is nonsense like how he loves the water and wants to feel it. He doesn't swim to set records or win events. And I still couldn't... That's not admiration or idolization. That's frustration and, yes, envy that Haruka has "incredible talent" but, in Rin's eyes, is wasting it. I see. I understand where you come from with Rin feeling envious towards Haru. But this doesn't mean that he doesn't admire him. The fact that Rin is so disappointed with Haru and thinks he has so much potential but is squandering it, indicates some admiration. The fact that someone he idolizes has so much talent and is wasting it disappoints them. I feel that it's around this time that he starts to slowly lose his admiration for Haru. |
tokinokanatae said: Edefrem said: To everyone who hates Rin: http://sozziesocks.tumblr.com/post/59638877024/warning-this-post-contains-even-more-spoilers-for shut the fuck up and go away Just so you know, that's an absolutely terrible argument as to why Rin should be liked as a character. Debate about "complexity" aside, it glosses over Rin's egregious treatment of Makoto and Nagisa--who have done nothing wrong to him--and suggests that just because Rin has mixed feelings about his own goals and actions, he's somehow appealing. What is "necessary" for the plot is for Rin to walk away from his friends after winning against Haruka, not shoving it in his face like a five year old after his second win against his childhood rival. Likewise, there's no good reason for Rin to reject his other friends. Showing concern here and there and jealousy when they swim a relay with others doesn't make up for the way he treats them to their faces, gloating in this past episode and dismissing them as unimportant hanger-ons of Haru's in the first episode. Rin is unpleasant for me to watch. It doesn't matter what internal justification he has for his actions. He's a douche that puts himself ahead of the feelings of other people around him. He can't just tell them he's not interested in a friendship with them after all these years, he has to reject them as harshly as possible. So, no, I don't feel sorry for him when it dawns on him what he's been shoving away all this time for absolutely no reason. If I were the Iwatobi Swim Club, I'd move on from this emotional trainwreck as fast as we could. Sadly, this is anime, so I'm sure they'll be reconciled in the end. (I bet Rin won't even have to apologize to anyone except Haru, too.) ^This!! Exactly! Edefrem said: Again, I repeat. I'm not asking you to like Rin. I don't give a fuck, but if anyone's going to run their mouth and make judgemental, tunnel vision complaints about him, then you need to know why THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. Who are you to say what is right and what is wrong!? Freedom of speech man! Everyone is free to share their opinions, if someone says Rin is a dick because of Ep 7 then why do you let it bother you? |
Mikuo_Chan said: If you have the right to say Rin is a dick then I have the right to tell you why that's wrong. Deal with it or be quiet darling.Who are you to say what is right and what is wrong!? Freedom of speech man! Everyone is free to share their opinions, if someone says Rin is a dick because of Ep 7 then why do you let it bother you? tokinokanatae said: And there we have it. You don't hate Rin. Woohoo! You don't like him? That's fine too. My post before was addressed towards people who said things like, "I hope he drowns" "I wish he stayed in Australia" "I want to puncn him in the face" "I hope Makoto goes apeshit and beats him up"Edefrem said: On another note, do you hate Rin? Do you think he is a bad person? I rarely hate characters, so, no, I don't hate Rin. I find him unpleasant to watch, but that's different from what you're asking. I don't think he's a bad person either, but I think he has a lot of growing up to do and he's extremely lucky to have people that will care about him through his growing pains. A lot of people aren't in that situation. As for the rest of your points, I was in the middle of eating a late lunch, but wanted to nip the "abuse" line in the bud. I don't blame Rin for not keeping in contact with the others--he was eleven years old when he left, and even people twice his age have difficulties with long-distance relationships--but the point is more that he hasn't been close to these people for more than five years, through his own choice. Rin assumes that the mistake his father made was allowing others to "distract" him from his dream, so he's convinced himself that he needs to put aside the friends that might distract him in a similar way. This is why he's resisted rebonding with his childhood friends. What Rin needs to understand is that friends aren't a distraction and that trying to ignore/use them hurts himself just as much as them. (Haruka, on the other hand, needs to learn that what he wants to recapture with Rin isn't dependent on Rin himself. Haruka still has people in his life that want to swim with him. It's only when he's able to get over the Rin of his childhood that showed him that swimming was more fun with friends and then rejected him when he couldn't win that he and the current Rin will be able to connect on a healthy, positive level.) Idgaf whether or not someone likes or dislikes a character, but that is the kind of shit I will not tolerate. But you don't seem to be like that, so I can leave it as this. :) |
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Edefrem said: you know you sound like a very controlling person. I hate Rin! Did you hear that? I don't just dislike him I hate him. I want to punch him in the face because he is mean and his attitude is unjustified. That is my own personal opinion but you say you wont tolerate that? Deal with it or be quiet darling. Sound familiar?Mikuo_Chan said: If you have the right to say Rin is a dick then I have the right to tell you why that's wrong. Deal with it or be quiet darling.Who are you to say what is right and what is wrong!? Freedom of speech man! Everyone is free to share their opinions, if someone says Rin is a dick because of Ep 7 then why do you let it bother you? tokinokanatae said: And there we have it. You don't hate Rin. Woohoo! You don't like him? That's fine too. My post before was addressed towards people who said things like, "I hope he drowns" "I wish he stayed in Australia" "I want to puncn him in the face" "I hope Makoto goes apeshit and beats him up"Edefrem said: On another note, do you hate Rin? Do you think he is a bad person? I rarely hate characters, so, no, I don't hate Rin. I find him unpleasant to watch, but that's different from what you're asking. I don't think he's a bad person either, but I think he has a lot of growing up to do and he's extremely lucky to have people that will care about him through his growing pains. A lot of people aren't in that situation. As for the rest of your points, I was in the middle of eating a late lunch, but wanted to nip the "abuse" line in the bud. I don't blame Rin for not keeping in contact with the others--he was eleven years old when he left, and even people twice his age have difficulties with long-distance relationships--but the point is more that he hasn't been close to these people for more than five years, through his own choice. Rin assumes that the mistake his father made was allowing others to "distract" him from his dream, so he's convinced himself that he needs to put aside the friends that might distract him in a similar way. This is why he's resisted rebonding with his childhood friends. What Rin needs to understand is that friends aren't a distraction and that trying to ignore/use them hurts himself just as much as them. (Haruka, on the other hand, needs to learn that what he wants to recapture with Rin isn't dependent on Rin himself. Haruka still has people in his life that want to swim with him. It's only when he's able to get over the Rin of his childhood that showed him that swimming was more fun with friends and then rejected him when he couldn't win that he and the current Rin will be able to connect on a healthy, positive level.) Idgaf whether or not someone likes or dislikes a character, but that is the kind of shit I will not tolerate. But you don't seem to be like that, so I can leave it as this. :) |
Mikuo_Chan said: When you post something publicly you need to be ready to accept positive and negative backlash. People can say all they wan't about Rin and I can argue with them. That's why I'm arguing with you, because yes I don't tolerate that and no I won't be quiet.you know you sound like a very controlling person. I hate Rin! Did you hear that? I don't just dislike him I hate him. I want to punch him in the face because he is mean and his attitude is unjustified. That is my own personal opinion but you say you wont tolerate that? Deal with it or be quiet darling. Sound familiar? Here's the difference between us, I said that you need deal with the fact that I'm going to argue with you over whether or not Rin is a bad person. While you told me to deal with your opinion, lolwhut? See the difference? I can deal with "it" by arguing with you , but you can't deal with "it" because I will ALWAYS have something to back to you. I don't care what you think, but if you're going to talk shit then be prepared to defend it, instead of using the "IT'S MY OPINION SO HA HA" claim. |
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tokinokanatae said: Edefrem said: To everyone who hates Rin: http://sozziesocks.tumblr.com/post/59638877024/warning-this-post-contains-even-more-spoilers-for shut the fuck up and go away Just so you know, that's an absolutely terrible argument as to why Rin should be liked as a character. Debate about "complexity" aside, it glosses over Rin's egregious treatment of Makoto and Nagisa--who have done nothing wrong to him--and suggests that just because Rin has mixed feelings about his own goals and actions, he's somehow appealing. I think the post means to defend Rin as a literary character, not a person, so Rin’s treatment of Makoto and Nagisa does nothing to detract from the point. And yes, to many audience members, because Rin has emotional turmoil and the show explores that in a consistent manner relevant to the plot, as far as character development and characterization go, it IS appealing. But I think the main frustration that the poster was dealing with was the simple writeoff of Rin as a douche. Yeah, I think what he did was douchey but I don’t think that’s the only thing that defines him as a person nor will I view everything he does from that point on as ‘whatever he’s a douche’ or ‘omg still a douche’, which is what some viewers have been doing (their prerogative, but the poster wished to change their minds). tokinokanatae said: What is "necessary" for the plot is for Rin to walk away from his friends after winning against Haruka, not shoving it in his face like a five year old after his second win against his childhood rival. Likewise, there's no good reason for Rin to reject his other friends. Showing concern here and there and jealousy when they swim a relay with others doesn't make up for the way he treats them to their faces, gloating in this past episode and dismissing them as unimportant hanger-ons of Haru's in the first episode. I find this expectation to be inconsistent with his character and the trajectory of storytelling. I think it was rather IC for him to gloat a little considering what that race meant to him, his own internal relief, and where KyoAni wanted to push the story. Haru has been shown to be very unconfrontational about his own feelings and either unable or unwilling to realize and deal with them. If Rin had never said those things to him and just left him alone, he would never be thinking about what he wanted from swimming and both of them would just be left wondering why they felt so empty afterwards with no push to move forward. So if we're going to talk about what's 'necessary' for the plot, I think it was. tokinokanatae said: Rin is unpleasant for me to watch. It doesn't matter what internal justification he has for his actions. He's a douche that puts himself ahead of the feelings of other people around him. He can't just tell them he's not interested in a friendship with them after all these years, he has to reject them as harshly as possible. So, no, I don't feel sorry for him when it dawns on him what he's been shoving away all this time for absolutely no reason. If I were the Iwatobi Swim Club, I'd move on from this emotional trainwreck as fast as we could. Sadly, this is anime, so I'm sure they'll be reconciled in the end. (I bet Rin won't even have to apologize to anyone except Haru, too.) I was concerned about this for a while as well, however KyoAni has been quite attentive with their storytelling. I don’t think this will happen. Rin has more to apologize for when it comes to Makoto and Nagisa than Haru and I think it’s integral to his development and their development as a group, so they won’t forget it. I look forward to the reconciliation. Are you saying he doesn’t deserve it and that they shouldn’t? Because you seem quite derisive of the general idea. tokinokanatae said: (Haruka, on the other hand, needs to learn that what he wants to recapture with Rin isn't dependent on Rin himself. Haruka still has people in his life that want to swim with him. It's only when he's able to get over the Rin of his childhood that showed him that swimming was more fun with friends and then rejected him when he couldn't win that he and the current Rin will be able to connect on a healthy, positive level.) But Haru wants to swim with RIN. He cares about him as a person, not just about the concepts of ‘fun’ that Rin helped him realize. In High Speed! Haru found a unique level of competition with Rin that he was interested in (it was more or less in his own head). Haru cares about winning and Rin has always been the one he’s competed with. It’s not quite clear to me what you’re saying with “It's only when he's able to get over the Rin of his childhood that showed him that swimming was more fun with friends and then rejected him when he couldn't win that he and the current Rin will be able to connect on a healthy, positive level.)” Are you saying he should stop hanging onto the idea of swimming with Rin so he can interact with Rin without emotional tangles? That’s… really cold. And idk if that’s what you actually expect from the anime, but I don’t think that will happen. Rin is set for change. They’re both set up for realizing that they want to swim with each other as rivals. In another post, you said that Makoto was key to Haru’s eventual realization about what he wanted from swimming. I would say that Nagisa was the one who really got the ball rolling. Nagisa started the swim team, the very idea that they would be swimming together. In fact, everyone has had an equally important hand in his act of realization: Kou by putting them in the relay; Nagisa and Rei and Kou by leaving that very enthusiastic message on his phone, without which he probably wouldn’t be swimming in the medley; Makoto who by the very act of actually voicing his desires for once made Haru aware of how much Makoto actually wanted it; and Rei who required Haru’s guidance. This is why what he wants to ‘recapture’ is also dependent on Rin coming around in a positive manner. It’s dependent on everyone in his life because he wants to swim with them all. |
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maverick0999 said: Laciie said: maverick0999 said: Laciie said: Mikuo_Chan said: Edefrem said: To everyone who hates Rin: http://sozziesocks.tumblr.com/post/59638877024/warning-this-post-contains-even-more-spoilers-for shut the fuck up and go away Yeah yeah yeah what a load of analytical character crap! I want to watch a damn cartoon about sexy swimming guys, I'm not here for a psychology lecture. Just goes to show that you have no argument. Guess what? Free! isn't just 'a damn cartoon about sexy swimming guys'. If you've actually been watching the show, you'd know. And in fact, what that person wrote on her blog compliments Free! as a whole not just Rin. It is what it is. The problem with free is that it dosen't know what to be sometimes is serious sometimes is full on comedy both haru and rin are made this serious characters but the other characters are made for comic relief like rei, nagisa, gou and makoto and they didn't bother to give them any development except the back story that we got for makoto that makes me not care about the other characters races or anything that they do yes there fun to watch and good for comic relief but if you can make haru and rin this serious characters why not try to develop some of the other characters. Now that i think about it has similar problems to SAO it dosen't know what to be it tries to be everything but succeeds in nothing. The focus of Free! is on Rin and Haru. But the other characters do get development as well. Rei has developed from someone merely relying on theory to solve his problems and do well to someone who with the realization that theory doesn't solve everything; hard work does too. He's learnt to care about the team. Like this, the other characters also have their own role to play. Gou is someone who constantly worries about Rin and always tries and finds a way to get him back to the way he was before, Makoto has faced his fear and come to a conclusion that he wants to swim with everyone, Nagisa is the one who keeps them together, in a way. He's the one who suggested the swimming club, for example. He keeps them bonded. So, even though the focus is Haru and Rin, the other still have a role to play. Free! has a good mix of seriousness and comedy. The first few episodes focused mainly on the comedy (mainly the first two), and the others became more serious. There is still comedy, of course, but there is less of it than before. SAO itself is a plethora of problems that cannot be compared to Free! I don't want to discuss this though because SAO is not the topic at hand. I'm not saying that Free! is a bad show for me its and ok to good show something like 6.5/10 but people are making the show more than it is like the whole complexity of Rin is stupid his just an over sensitive character who cannot let go of his lost against Haru that's not complexity that's your basic rival characters you can see those kinds of characters in every sports anime like in Hajime no Ippo you have Miyata who lost to Ippo in the early episodes and he cannot progress as boxer without beating Ippo which is the same character as Rin. i won't call rei training and learning how to swim character development that's like calling power ups in shounen anime development. I still think the show is fun and entertaining and worth watching but i don't like people making shows more than they are. It's not about the existence of such characters but the execution. Anyone can just plop a character with a million complexities in their show if they wanted, but how they handle it, how they develop the character, the pacing and consistency and how the character contributes to the story, is what makes it a good story. Also, sometimes it's just about what kind of viewers the show attracts. If nobody bothers discussing and brainstorming, the true ~*~complexity~*~ of a show might not be realized because nobody seems to give a shit. Nobody is saying that Rin is a uniquely interesting character, they just like discussing him. Just because this anime is getting more attention doesn't mean they're making it out to be 'more than it is'. It could be on the same level as other shows but those shows get less interest due to various factors. |
Edefrem said: Oh I am dealing with it honey. You told me to "deal with it or be quiet" I am dealing with it just like you are by arguing. If that's your way of dealing with someone who doesn't agree with you then look out because it's mine as well. It is my opinion that you are just arguing with all these people because you like Rin and don't like people badmouthing him. What do you have to say to that? I honestly want to know.Mikuo_Chan said: When you post something publicly you need to be ready to accept positive and negative backlash. People can say all they wan't about Rin and I can argue with them. That's why I'm arguing with you, because yes I don't tolerate that and no I won't be quiet.you know you sound like a very controlling person. I hate Rin! Did you hear that? I don't just dislike him I hate him. I want to punch him in the face because he is mean and his attitude is unjustified. That is my own personal opinion but you say you wont tolerate that? Deal with it or be quiet darling. Sound familiar? Here's the difference between us, I said that you need deal with the fact that I'm going to argue with you over whether or not Rin is a bad person. While you told me to deal with your opinion, lolwhut? See the difference? I can deal with "it" by arguing with you , but you can't deal with "it" because I will ALWAYS have something to back to you. I don't care what you think, but if you're going to talk shit then be prepared to defend it, instead of using the "IT'S MY OPINION SO HA HA" claim. |
| Those cliffhangers... -_- EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. This anime will be the death of me, I swear. It gives me fucking heart palpitations every ending, and then I slowly lose my mind throughout the rest of the week waiting for the next episode. I seriously don't know what I'm going to do with my life once this and AoT end. I lie...KnB here I come Makoto fell asleep waiting for Haruka to come home! *fangirls* And Rin really does care about his friends! Awwww... And is it just me, or did Haru show TONS of emotion in this episode? I think it's a record. ;) Overall, I LOVED it! |
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Mikuo_Chan said: I made that post fully knowing that people like you would try and convince me why it was wrong or why they didn't agree. I'd had it wth all the shallow comments people kept throwing and I basically said, "If you hate Rin, fight me (as in let's argue) or stop talking." Oh I am dealing with it honey. You told me to "deal with it or be quiet" I am dealing with it just like you are by arguing. If that's your way of dealing with someone who doesn't agree with you then look out because it's mine as well. It is my opinion that you are just arguing with all these people because you like Rin and don't like people badmouthing him. What do you have to say to that? I honestly want to know. I understand it's your opinion. But if you post it then you need to understand that other people (like me) may not agree with it and will argue with you. I knew that, and that's why I went back and forth with tokinokanatae about Rin and didn't get angry at her for having a different opinion than mine. As I said, I don't care what you think, but if you're going to be obnoxious and belligerent towards things, then I will argue with you. Ur cute for trying though ^^ |
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Edefrem said: Mikuo_Chan said: I made that post fully knowing that people like you would try and convince me why it was wrong or why they didn't agree. I'd had it wth all the shallow comments people kept throwing and I basically said, "If you hate Rin, fight me (as in let's argue) or stop talking." Oh I am dealing with it honey. You told me to "deal with it or be quiet" I am dealing with it just like you are by arguing. If that's your way of dealing with someone who doesn't agree with you then look out because it's mine as well. It is my opinion that you are just arguing with all these people because you like Rin and don't like people badmouthing him. What do you have to say to that? I honestly want to know. I understand it's your opinion. But if you post it then you need to understand that other people (like me) may not agree with it and will argue with you. I knew that, and that's why I went back and forth with tokinokanatae about Rin and didn't get angry at her for having a different opinion than mine. As I said, I don't care what you think, but if you're going to be obnoxious and belligerent towards things, then I will argue with you. Ur cute for trying though ^^ I really hate to get into the middle of things, but I'd just like to put it out there that I agree with you Edefrem. Mikuo_Chan, I'm not a big fan of Rin myself, but everybody has their own opinions. It's fine if you don't like Rin, but you don't have to be rude or ignorant about it. I just really hate to see fighting within the forums, especially since the both of you both support this amazing show. >.< |
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Edefrem said: Mikuo_Chan said: I made that post fully knowing that people like you would try and convince me why it was wrong or why they didn't agree. I'd had it wth all the shallow comments people kept throwing and I basically said, "If you hate Rin, fight me (as in let's argue) or stop talking." Oh I am dealing with it honey. You told me to "deal with it or be quiet" I am dealing with it just like you are by arguing. If that's your way of dealing with someone who doesn't agree with you then look out because it's mine as well. It is my opinion that you are just arguing with all these people because you like Rin and don't like people badmouthing him. What do you have to say to that? I honestly want to know. I understand it's your opinion. But if you post it then you need to understand that other people (like me) may not agree with it and will argue with you. I knew that, and that's why I went back and forth with tokinokanatae about Rin and didn't get angry at her for having a different opinion than mine. As I said, I don't care what you think, but if you're going to be obnoxious and belligerent towards things, then I will argue with you. Ur cute for trying though ^^ You realized that you basically professed your own adherence to ignorance by saying 'you're not here for a psychology lecture' (which it wasn't). Nobody is saying that people can't dislike Rin. But nobody is here for ignorance. You haven't actually argued constructively with anyone?? Just asserted that it's your ~opinion~ a couple times and made fun of the poster. |
| ^Omg dude, I thought post was for me at first and I was like "NOOOOOO I THOUGHT WE WERE ON THE TEAM TOGEHTER" but I realized who you were referring to lol And yeah, I'm still waiting for her to defend he hate instead of trying to make me feel bad about myself which will never happen darling, I love who I am KittyCalando said: THANK YOU. I really hate to get into the middle of things, but I'd just like to put it out there that I agree with you Edefrem. Mikuo_Chan, I'm not a big fan of Rin myself, but everybody has their own opinions. It's fine if you don't like Rin, but you don't have to be rude or ignorant about it. I just really hate to see fighting within the forums, especially since the both of you both support this amazing show. >.< See Mikuo? This is how you should be. If you don't like Rin, then that's cool. But if you post about how much you hate him, then that's not cool because that pisses the people who like him off. |
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