| I think I feel the same as you do. If you can recall the past digimon series, even Frontier had a great story background talking about how the digivolutions affected the digital world itself. However, this new season reflect the new type of digivolution, the xros, that just doesn't care about the class of digimon or even the state of evolution that they have, they just fusion each others. I don't know why, but I just can conclude that digimon live and evolve apparently across the time of life they have or the ammount of information (like Tames) that they absorb (like what happened with MadLeomon's digivolution to Armed MadLeomon) Kind of weard, isn't it? |
| I like this ignoring of levels. It means with good strategy, practically anyone can beat anyone else. You can't predict fights as easily. It's certainly a lot better than "Oh man, he's Ultimate and I'm Champion! We better run away and find a way to Digivolve first!". |
thefig24 said: Ok, so I'm having one big problem that is getting in the way of my enjoyment of this series; it's complete disregard for the Digimon Evolution stages. This isn't some small part of Digimon (unlike complaints about Shoutmon X4's Mecha appearance, or Digi xross) this is something that cuts to the core of what digimon is. This is a major element that makes digimon stand apart from other series. Yet episode after episode I just feel that this show doesn't understand what the Digimon Evolution stages are or just doesn't care. Is anyone else getting this vibe from the series? Am I wrong to think this way? Have they addressed this in anyway? There are no confirmed levels in this series for any Digimon. Even the official Digimon Dictionary separates the Xros Wars Digimon into a different section like the Frontier Digimon. This is probably because you know, these kinds of debates don't really have any basis without actual levels so you don't have to worry about it. darkares said: I like this ignoring of levels. It means with good strategy, practically anyone can beat anyone else. You can't predict fights as easily. It's certainly a lot better than "Oh man, he's Ultimate and I'm Champion! We better run away and find a way to Digivolve first!". I completely agree with this. Finally, we don't have to worry about that kind of stuff. Also, levels really have never 100% mattered in the show. They mainly matter in the games and trading cards (BTW, the Xros Wars trading cards don't have levels either). To an extent, they matter in a plot-related way, but that that's the thing. They mainly matter in plot. And plot affects battles. Not in actual characterization. It's not like the levels have no importance at all, but it seems that if you actually applied levels to a show about a "war" and "armies" you'd have them as a story crutch and not as a way to stand out from other seasons. |
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| Personally the killing of the level system still bothers me in every episode. Since the very first season you've had an understanding of how relatively strong each digimon is. Now you walk into a situation where you find ultimates getting creamed by anything. Sure I can understand how some might appreciate it with an anyone can beat anyone thinking. Still it really doesn't sit well with me at the end of the day. I put this system right with Frontier in the bottom of the digital barrel. Of course it makes sense why they had to ditch digivolving entirely for this combination stuff. It would be stupid to say that anyone can beat anyone, but for some reason you need to digivolve in order to win. Now you can just slap together different digimon and get your victory. Besides in reality it isn't a case of anyone can beat anyone. Unless everyone agrees Shoutmon alone could take Greymon. Levels were just a way to make sense of where the relative strength of everyone is. You knew how strong Greymon was or how strong Puppetmon was. The world is full of different strengths. The level system just made it clear to people how strong everyone was. Now you go into the episodes wondering if that giant digmon is actually tough or just a pushover. Maybe some prefer that mystery and surprise. I just preferred having things straight forward and watching the digmon grow and not just get thrown into a mixer. |
| First of all, you know what bothers me? Everybody always puts Frontier at the bottom but I always find 02 to be so much worse than any other season that it bugs me that people think that one is so much better and they're judging it on childhood memories or not actually rewatching it recently. Now anyway, there's just no way that the level system would have worked in this season. Not only would there be conflict between why certain Digimon can take others (again, this is a good move because then you don't have to think about that stuff), but also, look at these battles. Do you see how many Digimon are in there? If they applied levels to these things not only would the main Digimon get hammered, but the fights would take too damn long and then there would be just conflict in process and then nobody's liking anything. I equate the show to Dynasty Warriors or even better, Sengoku Basara (which, pre-show, they were advertising the show as). You know how there's a lot of guys in an army and then there's some other guys who can tank through them with special attacks and stuff until they come across the leader who can fight them equally and stuff? That's this show. The way this show is written, levels would just be a hindrance. Not to mention they have never really mattered outside of, the actual plot. The plot writes the levels for the Digimon and what Digimon they can defeat. The only place levels have really mattered is on the external media that isn't the anime. Maybe if this was all in one continuity, I'd find these kind of complaints more valid, but they're all AU's and when AU is a factor, everything is different. This must be how the G Gundam fans felt when that came out in '94 |
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| I, personally, hate the fact that they threw away the levels. I understand they didn't wanna repeat by having the same old partner Digimon and the spurts of new evolutions to get more powerful, but this doesn't even feel like Digimon. The one thing I do like about this season is showing those legendary evil digimon or whatever. I remember seeing them online awhile back...pretty cool. garfield15 said: First of all, you know what bothers me? Everybody always puts Frontier at the bottom but I always find 02 to be so much worse than any other season that it bugs me that people think that one is so much better and they're judging it on childhood memories or not actually re-watching it recently. Ya know what...I semi-agree with you. It's funny bc before I even knew a season 6 was happening with Digimon I was in the process of re-watching seasons 1-4 (I can't stand 5). The main issue I have with Frontier is that they totally killed half the cast just so the two dudes could power up, fight the Royal Knights, and lose. It was so stupid and repetitive that it left a terrible taste in my mouth. As far as 02 goes, not my favorite. 3-1-4-2-5 would be my order, but that's just me. |
GrimmmOct 7, 2010 1:44 PM
| I hear people say this season of Digimon is terrible because it's not Digimon anymore, well guess what? The Digimon they love was getting worse and worse hell, Xros wars didn't start out very well but got better and better as it progressed And I agree with Garfield15 almost entirely on the level system for those of you who miss the level system, I understand completely, but just get over it already! 02 wasn't that bad, neither was Frontier, it had new and interesting ideas definitely BELOW 02 though IMO. Savers kind of went backwards on the whole series with zero success (except for Daimon) My order is.... 1) Tamers/Original 2) Xros Wars/Adventure 02 3) Frontier 4) Savers (the first and third seasons are actually tied for 1st place as are the second and sixth for 2nd place) |
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| Foregoing the evolution levels really doesn't work. While I can understand some of your points, it just doesn't make sense when you have Digimon with established levels appearing. I mean, if they had used all new Digimon like Shoutmon & Dorulumon than I wouldn't had as much of a problem with it since pretty much every season tries something new but you can't expect people to just ignore levels when Digimon who have levels are fighting the ones without. Honestly though this is probably one of my lesser problems with this season. |
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