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symbv said: kuroikishi said: There are a number of sites I checked, but here is one: http://otanews.livedoor.biz/archives/51936426.html#comments Curiousity wise, can you message me the site you go to look at japanese posts. The ones I found felt pretty repetitive. I'm curious about the debates personally. Kaioshin_Sama said: Hmm.. not sure how come you say it is like all forums because I look at this forum for example I do not see much of ragefest about this last episode. But perhaps there are some other western forums that are like what I described?Sounds like all forums then just at a higher volume. Personally I think it's silly to reject drama and hardship on the characters of any kind even if it's arguably fairly well executed and arguably fits with the developments of the show. I remember seeing this issue pop up with Koutara-san too. I don't know it just strikes me as a typical reaction to any sort of hardship the cast has to go through in shows like these. People expect these shows to go a certain way following certain tropes and ideals and when they don't it's freakout and possibly also boycott time and this seems to hold especially true for Japan from what I understand. No though I haven't seen a lot of rage in western forums, but then again people don't really talk about the actual show much period as I've mentioned. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: So it is not really "like all forums then just at a higher volume" then. I can see that for some other shows even in western forums we may see watchers posting emotional response for characters getting downtrodden or wounded or worse, but at least I think for this show I do not see much of such emotional attachment in western forums. I don't know it just strikes me as a typical reaction to any sort of hardship the cast has to go through in shows like these. People expect these shows to go a certain way following certain tropes and ideals and when they don't it's freakout and possibly also boycott time and this seems to hold especially true for Japan from what I understand. No though I haven't seen a lot of rage in western forums, but then again people don't really talk about the actual show much period as I've mentioned. For the reactions, the way I see it is a lot hinge on what kind of mindset or expectation one set when he goes into watching a show. Sometimes people come watching a show with completely the wrong expectation and they can easily come out severely disappointed and will trash the work even though it has a lot of merits if viewed the right way. Sometimes people come in with the expectation reasonably set and they enjoy the show, but at some point the anime made a curve ball and then watchers have to adjust their expectations, and how well they can adjust can depend on how big the direction change is and how well the change is executed. Those who cannot adjust will vent their disappointments in forum or blog, but yet they may still keep watching and if taken as a whole the execution is deemed well the title can still retain its popularity. |
symbvMar 25, 2013 10:12 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: So it is not really "like all forums then just at a higher volume" then. The way I see it is what kind of mindset or expectation one goes into watching a show. Sometimes people come into watching a show with completely the wrong expectation and they can easily come out severely disappointed and will trash the work even though it has a lot of merits if viewed the right way. Sometimes people come in with the expectation reasonably set and they enjoy the show, but at some point the anime made a curve ball and then watchers have to adjust their expectations, and how well they can adjust can depend on how big the direction change is and how well the change is executed. Those who cannot adjust will vent their disappointments in forum or blog, but yet they may still keep watching and if taken as a whole the execution is deemed well the title can still retain its popularity.I don't know it just strikes me as a typical reaction to any sort of hardship the cast has to go through in shows like these. People expect these shows to go a certain way following certain tropes and ideals and when they don't it's freakout and possibly also boycott time and this seems to hold especially true for Japan from what I understand. No though I haven't seen a lot of rage in western forums, but then again people don't really talk about the actual show much period as I've mentioned. I just want to say that seems an awfully ridiculous approach for something as short and largely innocuous as Love Live School Idol Project. I'm sorry but I really don't get that sort of mindset....like at all. Why must everything be either all good or bad and fans never able to accept responsibility for their own enjoyment of something or not. Why should a show deserve to lose all it's popularity or have to struggle to retain it just because people can't handle shifts in tone and want everything to be safe, familiar and non-threatening in the extreme. That's just utterly utterly ridiculous to me I'm sorry. It's like if somebody has an issue with a show it's automatically the shows fault and not just their perception or expectation...I mean sometimes I figure it's no small wonder anime has become so seemingly risk averse in this age of 2ch and other such internet hideouts for fandoms. I know it's not going to affect a company like Sunrise, but I can just sense the kind of pressure a lot of other smaller companies with a stricter bottom line are under when it comes to what they can "get away with" and where the line is firmly drawn for what they are allowed to do with a show. Just dumb.......then again I don't know maybe I'm just a very non-emotionally effected person compared to most people and it's all just part of a roller-coaster. Anyway if I were to predict what were to happen, the girls would do some soul searching and manage to reform their friendship, but it goes the sports anime route of losing the big game yet growing as a team and growing in character. That's a formula I would expect Japan can relate to as it's familiar and has been done before....then again this isn't the sports anime crowd but the highly emotionally charged idol fan crowd so who knows. This is the crowd that will turn around from completely supporting you to trashing you on the internet if you break their illusions, which is kind of exactly what happened this episode so in retrospect I'm actually not surprised. |
PeacingOutMar 25, 2013 10:19 AM
Kaioshin_Sama said: Well, not all cannot handle shifts in tone but what I see is that people do set expectations when they start watching a show. The thing is, different genres cater for different people and their needs. You won't enjoy a show that well if you set the wrong expectation -- you can easily get frustrated because you keep seeing things you consider not needed and waste of time. My personal experience is this kind of expectation setting works most of the time. But of course if the tone is suddenly shifted in the middle, then expectation needs to be adjusted. From what I see, the issues many have with this episode is not whether a turn to some serious drama is a problem but whether there is a need to push everyone to such lows with abysmal mood and conflicts. I just want to say that seems an awfully ridiculous approach for something as short and largely innocuous as Love Live School Idol Project. I'm sorry but I really don't get that sort of mindset....like at all. Why must everything be either all good or bad. Why should a show deserve to lose all it's popularity or have to struggle to retain it just because people can handle shifts in tone. That's just utterly utterly ridiculous to me I'm sorry. It's like if somebody has an issue with a show it's automatically the shows fault and not just their perception... And yes I do agree that this can restrict the room of maneuver for many anime production because at the end the goal is to make the anime popular and to achieve that it needs to make sure that watchers are entertained. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Well, not all cannot handle shifts in tone but what I see is that people do set expectations when they start watching a show. The thing is, different genres cater for different people and their needs. You won't enjoy a show that well if you set the wrong expectation -- you can easily get frustrated because you keep seeing things you consider not needed and waste of time. My personal experience is this kind of expectation setting works most of the time. But of course if the tone is suddenly shifted in the middle, then expectation needs to be adjusted. From what I see, the issues many have with this episode is not whether a turn to some serious drama is a problem but whether there is a need to push everyone to such lows with abysmal mood and conflicts. I just want to say that seems an awfully ridiculous approach for something as short and largely innocuous as Love Live School Idol Project. I'm sorry but I really don't get that sort of mindset....like at all. Why must everything be either all good or bad. Why should a show deserve to lose all it's popularity or have to struggle to retain it just because people can handle shifts in tone. That's just utterly utterly ridiculous to me I'm sorry. It's like if somebody has an issue with a show it's automatically the shows fault and not just their perception... And yes I do agree that this can restrict the room of maneuver for many anime production because at the end the goal is to make the anime popular and to achieve that it needs to make sure that watchers are entertained. I agree with this and a lot of people tend to just judge shows based on the first episode which is a problem to a lot of people. There is also the thing where people constantly compare series with another similar one which is completely fine but some do it in an inappropriate way and it's a shame that some people do that. Expectations can be varied at times. |
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| Ended up practically writing an essay here on Honoka's feelings ._.'... Feel free to ignore me. I felt myself sympathizing with Honoka throughout instead of criticizing her. The whole main reason for her to become a school idol was specifically to prevent the school from closing down. Even when they tried to earn a ranking for Love Live, it was to ensure the school's future. The moment that school was announced to accept applicants again, her main goal for being an idol has been accomplished for the time being (there's no guarantee next year it's going to keep it up). Of course, gradually, trying to go to Love Live was becoming more than simply saving the school, but something she wanted to go perform on stage with everyone. However her determination and energy backfired on her and resulted in not only ending the live prematurely, but also leading the chairwoman and the group to withdraw from the participation to Love Live. Honoka, despite being a optimistic carefree character, she has a strong sense of responsibility. She was crying in front her laptop screen after seeing µ's taken down from the list, because of her own recklessness. She was overcome with anguish, remorse, and self-loathing. The 3rd years manage to briefly push Honoka's back forward again so she gradually seems to be back to normal. But we see that the consequences of her actions have left quite an impression in her when Honoka becomes concerned about the health of everyone when they were talking about being able to continue club acitvities. She begins to see everything around her more clearly, including Kotori's worries, that Eri informs her that Kotori has been down even before the live. When Umi took action to reveal Kotori's choice to study abroad, Honoka was most likely angry at first. The most notable part was the expression she looked at Umi with, it was out of the feeling of betrayal and being left out of the tightly knit loop the three had together. The excuse that they didn't want to worry Honoka while she preoccupied with the live was marked out when Honoka received a confirmation that Umi knew it before the live. But Kotori's words and tears changed that anger to shock and pushed Honoka back to her self-loathing that she just slightly recovered from. We see Honoka regretting her lack of consciousness of her surroundings, and her lack of moderation. Her foundation for why she wanted to be an idol was to save the school has been accomplished. Her newfound goal aside from saving the school to go to Love Live with everyone was crushed by her own blunder. One of her best friends since childhood has kept quiet about her studying abroad the whole time, because Honoka herself was too preoccupied in her excitement to notice anything wrong with Kotori. Honoka most likely kept feeling self-loath throughout that night she sent (? maybe not?) that text message. Her depression carries on to the next day, where Eri ends up talking about holding a "last live with the 9 members of µ's". That was twisting a knife in the wound, though it wasn't Eri's intention. Honoka's demotivating/insensitive words toward the group was an accumulation of all her negative thoughts that gathered the night before. It might have been actually not intended to be directed to the group, but actually to her own self. Honoka's attempt to leave the group seemed like an attempt to run away from the "last live" that she thinks she caused herself. |
kuroikishiMar 25, 2013 11:27 AM
tunesworth said: You're killing me bruh! You're killin me!Here's an idea for season 2 of Love Live...Honoka is recruited by ARISE to be center stage for the group as their lead singer is graduating. Honoka finds some resistance to joining this elite group, and there is a sub-plot too! Come to find our Nico is so jealous she is trying to sabotage Honoka's selection! Others from the previous season do not make it easy as Muse continues with new members, too! Little sisters to the rescue kind of stuff. Meanwhile, Honoka in ARISE and her little sister in Muse has the household in competition! It could be exciting. I am available to write the script...call me! |
kuroikishi said: Thanks for your succinct writing and I think you have pretty nailed it as an analysis of Honoka's feeling and the general development of things in this episode. I have seen quite a bit of similar analyses in Japanese forums but not as detailed and clear as what you write here.Ended up practically writing an essay here on Honoka's feelings ._.'... Feel free to ignore me. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: kuroikishi said: Thanks for your succinct writing and I think you have pretty nailed it as an analysis of Honoka's feeling and the general development of things in this episode. I have seen quite a bit of similar analyses in Japanese forums but not as detailed and clear as what you write here.Ended up practically writing an essay here on Honoka's feelings ._.'... Feel free to ignore me. Yeah it's always nice to see people rationally try to parse through a characters development as it's been presented in order to determine the consistency and intrigue level of it as opposed to imposing their desires for the characters development on the show and arguing fault if those desires aren't fulfilled. Personally I'm surprised that her character went in that direction and find it unusually interesting. I mean again I'm not a frequent viewer of this type of show, but I don't get the sense that the genki girl types usually have to question their own strengths and faults as much as Honoka has over the last couple episodes of Love Live! Usually things just seem to automatically work out right away for them. I also agree with symbv that it's a matter of keeping the audience entertained and engaged, something that the producers at Sunrise usually seem to have a handle on regardless of the type of show being produced. Whether everyone can handle that sort of thing I think is totally up to the viewers own personality and rigidity or lack thereof. Also after looking at the link posted by symbv again and struggling through the google translate I can also say it doesn't look all that much unlike a lot of Western forum posts albeit with a much greater volume of posts and general confusion as to how the blog post achieved so much feedback. Other than that the comments strike me as business as usual and about what you'd expect for a penultimate episode and as far as I know I didn't see any of those calls for boycott you sometimes hear about, though I get the sense those are only reserved for big time scandals like with Tari Tari. Not nearly as bad as something I would expect to see on 4chan after all. |
| school is saved, forfeit the love live, and kotori is leaving she lost the reason to continue.. im glad its ending next ep :) |
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| Man dem feels guys All of that just makes u feel down All them tears that fell it is so sad Hopefully they do something to make it back to be more happy |
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| Well that was kind of dramatic, but it's the last conflict. Honoka is just really depressed and doesn't feel like there is a point anymore, but quitting doesn't really do anything either. |
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pikel-kun said: Personally, I'd have been pissed too if my friend didn't tell me something like that until right before she leaves. And that slap at the end pissed me off as well. That wasn't a "slap some sense into her" moment. Felt out of place and wrong, I would have beat her ass for that slap. lol I was wondering if someone would post that- as I figured there would be tons of hate thrown on Honoka when I can easily see why shed be acting both depressed and 'angry' the slap was misplaced - in 'reality' Umi would likely find herself slapped right back - its not as if Umi helped the situation at all. You have someone who has both accomplished their intended goal - theres a minus in motivation - learned your best friend didnt tell you something that important because you were 'busy' (seemed more like an excuse) and Umi knows and waits until the situation is untenable to finally say something.. And to be blunt after the concert I get why you cant talk with Honoka shes sick and sprained her ankle needs bit of R and R - But uh you can wait the what week or so and then talk to her if her opinion is THAT important rather then "well shes sick so no talky" and then "well we made a group decision because the chairwoman was worried and didnt wait for your opinion" Honoka really does have every reason to feel depressed - to feel betrayed - to feel angry - and to feel like everything is her fault . (We can easily go into the other characters too but im just sticking with mostly Honoka since thats where the discussion seems to almost entirely be) Yvese said: So glad Umi slapped some sense into Honoka! She sort of missed the sense slap moment by some say earlier in Honokas monologue I would argue if you want to say Honoka was blind to everything around her as she claims Umi had the ability and Knowledge to both enlighten and inform Honoka without a bitch slap and some rather terrible insults .. By simply going to her and Dragging Kotori if she has to and 'talking' about it with Honoka. |
sirwenceMar 25, 2013 4:34 PM
| Honoka's gonna fuckin smash Umi in the face next ep holy shit it's over! |
| As people were watching a show about Cute Girls Doing Cute Things, a good story broke out. ;) |
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| Wow what dramatic episode. loved it though. Seriously Honoka wtf? |
sirwence said: She sort of missed the sense slap moment by some say earlier in Honokas monologue I would argue if you want to say Honoka was blind to everything around her as she claims Umi had the ability and Knowledge to both enlighten and inform Honoka without a bitch slap and some rather terrible insults .. By simply going to her and Dragging Kotori if she has to and 'talking' about it with Honoka. Sometimes when a person is that hateful towards themselves then just talking about it won't get through to them. |
River-Chan said: sirwence said: She sort of missed the sense slap moment by some say earlier in Honokas monologue I would argue if you want to say Honoka was blind to everything around her as she claims Umi had the ability and Knowledge to both enlighten and inform Honoka without a bitch slap and some rather terrible insults .. By simply going to her and Dragging Kotori if she has to and 'talking' about it with Honoka. Sometimes when a person is that hateful towards themselves then just talking about it won't get through to them. Well that sort of ignores the larger point of the hours days .. weeks.. etc to work this out and Umi did nothing to help the situation and now the Idea to fix it is a hard slap and uncalled for insults? Umi may have earned a slap herself- we can go on abut Honoka all we want but Neither Umi nor Kotori (nor really the group on the LL pull out without even making it a full group discussion) "had it right" in any context- |
sirwenceMar 25, 2013 5:20 PM
Cratex said: As people were watching a show about Cute Girls Doing Cute Things, a good story broke out. ;) lol the first mistake would be thinking Sunrise would produce a strictly cute girls doing cute things series. You just have to look at the studio resume to see the producers love pushing stories that involve the cast suffering and experiencing severe self-doubt and/or loss at some point or another, but if you want to simply take the word of someone that has seen a disproportionate amount of their stuff I can say I'm not really surprised in the slightest. I honestly wouldn't completely count out a bittersweet ending, but I still don't think it's going to happen here. Also funny to see some people suggesting last week about Honoka dying and obviously it's a joke, but I never count out something happening when these guys are involved. We're talking a history of contempt for the mental and physical well-being of casts that far surpasses the likes of Gen Urobuchi. They especially like sucker punching whoever the main character is by essentially taking away everything they care about and either forcing them to take it back by overcoming some sort of trial of character or just altogether burning out to make sure it doesn't happen to someone else and this seems to go regardless of whatever staff is put on a project or not. |
PeacingOutMar 25, 2013 8:16 PM
symbv said: kuroikishi said: Thanks for your succinct writing and I think you have pretty nailed it as an analysis of Honoka's feeling and the general development of things in this episode. I have seen quite a bit of similar analyses in Japanese forums but not as detailed and clear as what you write here.Ended up practically writing an essay here on Honoka's feelings ._.'... Feel free to ignore me. I forgot to mention this, thanks for the website link too ^^ I made a collection of Honoka's expressions in this episode lol. It shows her gradual changes in expressions from happiness to regret to moving forward to falling into despair. |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur5g0l93F2g Damn shit got real~ |
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| lol they brought Honoka to a crazy roller coaster ride of sorts throughout the series and then they get mad at her towards the end for finally reaching her breaking point. LOL yeah, it's entirely her fault, good job other girls. LOL |
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| They actually make more sense than her. If anyone is to blame for current situation (besides Kotori of course) it would be Honoka, other girls aren't as guilty. I didn't like this episode (but can't deny it was good), too much drama for me, I'd prefer if this show had brighter mood. Hopefully final episode and season 2 (obvious with 18,429 sales first week) will deliver. |
| Holy shit, this is actually unexpected. Is this what happened in the original story or they just changed it? I think this could've been better with 26 episodes. Kotori is actually leaving? I thought she won't but it looks like... Wew. The drama here better than better than Sakurasou's |
-MgZ_Mar 26, 2013 9:03 AM
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| after 10 episode of rage I feel out whenever I saw Honoka's dumb face, this the very first time I cared for her, and I may even love her if she slap the shit out of Umi's mega stupid face. And NO ONE TO BLAME KOTORI, NO ONE!! She's as pure as snow and never intended to do bad things in the first place. oh well |
| There's gotta be a second season! I can kinda sympathise with Honoka - if my best friend didn't tell me she was leaving the country for school until two weeks before I'd be pretty annoyed, too. Umi slapping her felt a bit over the top, but I guess she doesn't want to see all of Honoka's hard work go down the drain. Not participating in Love Live was a big shock, especially after they got to #10. Hoping everything gets better soon T__T |
| Well, they sure do change a lot over the course of a single episode. And there's going to have to be a lot happening in the next episode to resolve things. Otherwise, the group is just going to fall apart. That does happen, but this series doesn't seem the sort where something like that happens. It's been a while since I last watched 12 episodes of the same anime in a single day, but now I have to wait for the last episode. I really didn't expect to become that addicted to it. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
kuuderes_shadow said: It's been a while since I last watched 12 episodes of the same anime in a single day, but now I have to wait for the last episode. I really didn't expect to become that addicted to it. Welcome to the club then :D You should go on youtube to search for Love Live! music. You can get addict to it as well. |
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| I seem to be the only one who thinks we're being MAJORLY trolled by the show. THINK about it!!! It is what I expected anyways, to take us to the brink of despair... and then, miraculously next week Kotori won't go abroad to study fashion after all or at least not until next year rather than in two weeks; Honoka will un-quit, they will be back in LoveLove!... or in season 2 they will win it. After all, we already have concert footage of them in LoveLive! And Kotori is there, and Honoka... If Kotori actually leaves then this is an alternate universe... so unless this is actually a VN now and we are in the losing route... I think it will all get fixed very quickly. They have to win it this school year because three of them are 3rd years, 17 years old which means they will graduate at the end of the year. So they have to do another LoveLive! this year even if they don't win it, they have to perform on the LoveLive! stage as IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. Watch the PV videos, they are performing on the LoveLive! stage... Is it a spoiler to say I watched the PVs and listened to the FORTY SONGS THEY ALREADY RECORDED!?! So the only question for me is... will they fix all this up and resolve it next episode or next season? Mark my words, Kotori isn't leaving before they win LoveLive! and neither is Honoka! |
hpulley said: I seem to be the only one who thinks we're being MAJORLY trolled by the show. THINK about it!!! It is what I expected anyways, to take us to the brink of despair... and then, miraculously next week Kotori won't go abroad to study fashion after all or at least not until next year rather than in two weeks; Honoka will un-quit, they will be back in LoveLove!... or in season 2 they will win it. After all, we already have concert footage of them in LoveLive! And Kotori is there, and Honoka... If Kotori actually leaves then this is an alternate universe... so unless this is actually a VN now and we are in the losing route... I think it will all get fixed very quickly. They have to win it this school year because three of them are 3rd years, 17 years old which means they will graduate at the end of the year. So they have to do another LoveLive! this year even if they don't win it, they have to perform on the LoveLive! stage as IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. Watch the PV videos, they are performing on the LoveLive! stage... Is it a spoiler to say I watched the PVs and listened to the FORTY SONGS THEY ALREADY RECORDED!?! So the only question for me is... will they fix all this up and resolve it next episode or next season? Mark my words, Kotori isn't leaving before they win LoveLive! and neither is Honoka! Come to think of it maybe we are getting trolled but I feel like Love Live may come in season 2 maybe. |
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| Wow, great episode. Too bad next time will probably be the cliched "everything miraculously works out just in time" episode. |
kuroikishi said: Ended up practically writing an essay here on Honoka's feelings ._.'... Feel free to ignore me. Awesome analysis and I agree 100%. I think in this context that the slap at the end was the absolute WORST think Umi could do. She did not understand at all why Honoka felt as she did and the slap is going to isolate Honoka even more. Honoka is already feeling betrayed and seeing that the group of 3 has gone to a 2 + 1 and this is going to reinforce it more. I was surprised she didn't slug her back! And really .. Kotori may be shy but her excuse for not talking to Honoka was pretty lame. If she really wanted her advice then she should have asked it, not just informed her after it's a done deal! Anyway .. genki girls are allowed to have bad days so they should have given her some space!!! |
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kuroikishi said: Her depression carries on to the next day, where Eri ends up talking about holding a "last live with the 9 members of µ's". That was twisting a knife in the wound, though it wasn't Eri's intention. Honoka's demotivating/insensitive words toward the group was an accumulation of all her negative thoughts that gathered the night before. It might have been actually not intended to be directed to the group, but actually to her own self. Honoka's attempt to leave the group seemed like an attempt to run away from the "last live" that she thinks she caused herself. This. Is pretty much what I think Honoka feels that time. Well said. I'm really hoping for a second season. It might not be as powerful as the first season but I'm sure gonna miss those girls once Love Live ends next week. ;_; |
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gab3n said: hpulley said: I seem to be the only one who thinks we're being MAJORLY trolled by the show. THINK about it!!! It is what I expected anyways, to take us to the brink of despair... and then, miraculously next week Kotori won't go abroad to study fashion after all or at least not until next year rather than in two weeks; Honoka will un-quit, they will be back in LoveLove!... or in season 2 they will win it. After all, we already have concert footage of them in LoveLive! And Kotori is there, and Honoka... If Kotori actually leaves then this is an alternate universe... so unless this is actually a VN now and we are in the losing route... I think it will all get fixed very quickly. They have to win it this school year because three of them are 3rd years, 17 years old which means they will graduate at the end of the year. So they have to do another LoveLive! this year even if they don't win it, they have to perform on the LoveLive! stage as IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. Watch the PV videos, they are performing on the LoveLive! stage... Is it a spoiler to say I watched the PVs and listened to the FORTY SONGS THEY ALREADY RECORDED!?! So the only question for me is... will they fix all this up and resolve it next episode or next season? Mark my words, Kotori isn't leaving before they win LoveLive! and neither is Honoka! lol you take the fun out of the unknown (jk), but yes I agree. From the very first episode we saw who the members were, also the stage of Love Live unless that is just something else. They might have given us the ending from the start but its the work up to it that makes it fun. I do think Kotori and Honoka will stay put. I just dont see Kotori leaving her friends and something shes grown to love same with Honoka leaving the group. More then likely we will get a resolve at the end of the episode and then tease for a second season. Sorry, I am a real buzzkill today, aren't I? LOL I agree though, forget the PVs, the nine of them are shown on the LoveLive! stage in the OP every episode, duh! How did I forget that? I guess you watch it 12 times or more and you forget. So we all know the nine of them perform at LoveLive! They have to, Have To, HAVE TO! And I agree, the journey is more important than the destination here. It has been a wonderful journey and I hope it isn't over yet! |
| I'm sadden that Kotori is leaving... Can she just postpone her plans and wait till she graduates? Come on! |
| i hope for a second season |
| Mr. Director, good work! 5/5 |
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| NOOOOOO...... why honoka become like that?!?!?!?!?! u's at their critical point |
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| What the... This show is supposed to be happy! Talk about mood whiplash! Good episode nonetheless. Quite a few people are pissed off at Honoka after this episode, but I can sympathize with her, especially when shit keeps happening to her in quick succession like this. Well, I hope everything works out for them in the end. |
hpulley said: You are the only one? I am sure you are far from the only one. I believe most watchers believe neither Honoka nor Kotori will leave. I mean, this anime is supposed to be a story about Muse's early days and the current situation is that Muse is active and releasing CD singles (a deliberate mixing of the 2D and 3D worlds), so Muse's breaking up is totally unthinkable. The main issue is how they will turn around the drama, much heavier than many had expected, and provide an ending that re-confirm the positive spirit of Muse and the bonding between the girls. I don't think there should be any doubt about whether Muse will stay as a 9-member group. It is more about how they get back to that and start looking forward again. I seem to be the only one who thinks we're being MAJORLY trolled by the show. THINK about it!!! It is what I expected anyways, to take us to the brink of despair... and then, miraculously next week Kotori won't go abroad to study fashion after all or at least not until next year rather than in two weeks; Honoka will un-quit, they will be back in LoveLove!... or in season 2 they will win it. So the only question for me is... will they fix all this up and resolve it next episode or next season? Mark my words, Kotori isn't leaving before they win LoveLive! and neither is Honoka! As for the LoveLive event, there are many ways to deal with it - I personally prefer leaving it open and ends the series by them going back to their original starting point: performing before a full-house hall, instead of rushing everything about how they fare in the LoveLive tournament. But of course other kinds of endings regarding the tournament are also possible. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: hpulley said: You are the only one? I am sure you are far from the only one. I believe most watchers believe neither Honoka nor Kotori will leave. I mean, this anime is supposed to be a story about Muse's early days and the current situation is that Muse is active and releasing CD singles (a deliberate mixing of the 2D and 3D worlds), so Muse's breaking up is totally unthinkable. The main issue is how they will turn around the drama, much heavier than many had expected, and provide an ending that re-confirm the positive spirit of Muse and the bonding between the girls. I don't think there should be any doubt about whether Muse will stay as a 9-member group. It is more about how they get back to that and start looking forward again. I seem to be the only one who thinks we're being MAJORLY trolled by the show. THINK about it!!! It is what I expected anyways, to take us to the brink of despair... and then, miraculously next week Kotori won't go abroad to study fashion after all or at least not until next year rather than in two weeks; Honoka will un-quit, they will be back in LoveLove!... or in season 2 they will win it. So the only question for me is... will they fix all this up and resolve it next episode or next season? Mark my words, Kotori isn't leaving before they win LoveLive! and neither is Honoka! As for the LoveLive event, there are many ways to deal with it - I personally prefer leaving it open and ends the series by them going back to their original starting point: performing before a full-house hall, instead of rushing everything about how they fare in the LoveLive tournament. But of course other kinds of endings regarding the tournament are also possible. I meant in this thread, I seem to be the only one saying, "this can't be." I watch legit on Crunchyroll so I am a few days behind everyone else on this series so by the time I read this episode's comments I fully expected to come into this thread and see everyone saying, "sure, sure... they're going to leave, yeah right!! Psych!" but instead I see people who are so engaged in the story that they believe they might break up. I guess this is a sign of how well they have done the anime. Even though it is "The beginning of u's", people are so caught up in it, it is like it is happening in real time... I agree, if LoveLive! really is a twenty round tournament or what did they say? Then they could do a Idol/Sports anime second season which is mostly just the LoveLive! tournament rounds with the finale battle between u's and Arise as the final episode. When can I preorder that??? LOL |
symbv said: hpulley said: You are the only one? I am sure you are far from the only one. I believe most watchers believe neither Honoka nor Kotori will leave. I mean, this anime is supposed to be a story about Muse's early days and the current situation is that Muse is active and releasing CD singles (a deliberate mixing of the 2D and 3D worlds), so Muse's breaking up is totally unthinkable. I seem to be the only one who thinks we're being MAJORLY trolled by the show. THINK about it!!! It is what I expected anyways, to take us to the brink of despair... and then, miraculously next week Kotori won't go abroad to study fashion after all or at least not until next year rather than in two weeks; Honoka will un-quit, they will be back in LoveLove!... or in season 2 they will win it. Just thought I should point out, there are a lot of anime viewers such as my self who, for those shows that are based on some other source (light novel, visual novel, manga, or whatever), know nothing of the source material, usually don't care, and are just watching the anime because watching anime is our hobby. When I watch an episode of Love Live! all I know and care about is what happens in the show I'm watching. Now, having said that, that does NOT automatically mean I expect or don't expect one thing or another to happen in a story. In particular, regarding what you guys are talking about right now I really don't have any expectation at all regarding what will happen to those two girls. I'm just waiting for the next episode to see what happens. That doesn't mean I don't recognize that a lot of people like some of you here ARE fans of whatever source material a show may be based on and have a lot of knowledge of and expectations regarding what will happen or what they think should happen. However, I DO occasionally get annoyed when people seem to think that EVERYBODY should have the same point of view when they watch a show, and sometimes I get really exasperated (a good example is Little Busters, where fans of the Visual Novel basically hijacked the anime forums to bitch about how the anime was not the Visual Novel - well, DUH - it's not the visual novel and I don't care - stop telling me the Little Busters anime is shit because it is not the exactly like the Visual Novel). We're all coming at this with very different backgrounds and expectations and I want to remind people of that :) |
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| ^ Well, my using the Muse's current CDs is just one argument that I use to buttress my expectation that the series will end on a high note and good end. But even without that, I would still keep that expectation, just like I expect Miho will win at the end in Girls und Panzer and prevent her school from closing down. You are free to have your expectation, I have my own expectation - it just happens that I think my expectation would be helped by what I know about the CDs released by Muse, that's it. hpulley said: Well, I just avoided making comments on that part and focused more on the actions and reactions of the characters. And I don't think I am the only one thinking the same as you do.I meant in this thread, I seem to be the only one saying, "this can't be." |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: ^ Well, my using the Muse's current CDs is just one argument that I use to buttress my expectation that the series will end on a high note and good end. But even without that, I would still keep that expectation, just like I expect Miho will win at the end in Girls und Panzer and prevent her school from closing down. You are free to have your expectation, I have my own expectation - it just happens that I think my expectation would be helped by what I know about the CDs released by Muse, that's it. hpulley said: Well, I just avoided making comments on that part and focused more on the actions and reactions of the characters. And I don't think I am the only one thinking the same as you do.I meant in this thread, I seem to be the only one saying, "this can't be." Agreed. my only "source material" here is the CDs and BD concerts (live and the anime PV music video disc) and the show's own OP which shows the 9 girls competing at LoveLive! I have not read the manga. Since the music and BD discs came out to promote this show (all since it was announced) I don't consider any of them to be spoilers. HOWEVER, if my post spoiled anyone or everyone for the end of the season episode which I haven't even seen yet (so for all I know I'm wrong and the girls have left and they've broken up... but I doubt it) then I'm sorry... that was not my intent. |
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