| It's because she gets pretty much nothing but negative characterization yet she gets everything she wants. The whole show is pretty much the story of how a dreary, boring asshole falls backwards into "winning" a love triangle because she has a silly connection from childhood. Aiko's flaws make her interesting; she made a foolish decision and has to deal with the consequences of it. Hiromi's flaws are just sitting there, stinking, yet she comes out smelling like a rose. |
realfireis said: Yes,Hiromi made some bad mistakes but you can't compare her to Aiko .Hiromi was in a very bad situation and had reasons to do what she did .Childhood trauma,dealing with an abusive mother,fighting a against her feelings .Most of the time she was just a Victim because of those things. Pity alone isn't a great way to get an audience to like a character when there isn't actually anything interesting or appealing about that character. realfireis said: Unlike Aiko .Aiko caused so much damage for herself and to those around her because of her actions and I don't even want to go there and say what she did .Her actions were indeed very bad to the point that there was no way to make things right and she created those situations herself that's why she had to pay the consequences . realfireis said: Hiromi's actions were repairable but Aiko's actions were not Not true; the ending of Aiko's story is all about repairing her mistakes; after finally just kissing Shinichiro instead of beating around the bush and being unambiguously rejected she gives up, calls up Miyokichi and offers to "start from being friends". She's cleared away the painful deception and uncertainty in her life and begun to accept the only person who really cares for her. realfireis said: Your saying that hiromi got her happy ending even though she didn't deserve it ,why don't you say the same thing about Aiko who a got a happy ending despite everything she did Aiko's ending is bittersweet, not happy. She's had to accept that she'll never be loved by the boy she loves and Miyokichi is not a replacement, only a possible future. Noe's ending is bittersweet leaning on bitter as she loses the boy she loves and her relationship with her brother, her only surviving family, but she does finally get to cry again, as she wanted (talk about "be careful what you wish for"!) Hiromi's ending is nothing but sweetness. Her every problem is gone and she gets everything she wants. The only apparent bitterness is that she seems to regret what this will do to Noe but Hiromi is characterized as so selfish I can't believe this part. The story fails to get across what it wants. And that's the big problem; Hiromi is a boring, nonfunctional character. If she were interesting, this show would work much better than it does. The annoyance with Hiromi is not solely because she's unpleasant (though she is), it's because she's dull, and this dull character is the hinge on which the boring romance that takes up so running time swings. So we have the key to what makes this show on balance merely mediocre get an unambiguously happy ending while the more interesting character gets a pretty savage bittersweet ending. |
realfireis said: Fronzel said: Pity alone isn't a great way to get an audience to like a character when there isn't actually anything interesting or appealing about that character Fronzel said: And that's the big problem; Hiromi is a boring, nonfunctional character. If she were interesting, this show would work much better than it does. The annoyance with Hiromi is not solely because she's unpleasant (though she is), it's because she's dull, and this dull character is the hinge on which the boring romance that takes up so running time swings. I don’t like Hiromi because I pity her but it’s because of her complexity and depth. I consider her a well written character (both she and Noe are much more complex than most harem heroines I’ve seen in most animes).I think that the only reason people say that she’s boring is because she doesn’t show much emotions . I don't see much complexity in her character. She mostly mopes about something; she thinks Shin is her brother, Shin's mom hates her, Shin's spending time with another girl. She spends most of her time being gloomy about one thing or the other. realfireis said: I want to ask you a question ,what if the MC chose Aiko instead of Hiromi? Would that be a better ending than the Hiromi ending ? That's kind of a silly question; Aiko's storyline was portrayed as forlorn, hopeless attraction from the beginning. It's about how she deals with this. The whole storyline kind of seems like an appendix to the show; Shin isn't a real character in this story, only a device; Aiko and Miyokichi aren't important in the other storylines and there's no cross-interaction like is necessarily present between the other two storylines. This might be annoying if Aiko and Miyokichi weren't sympathetic and their story interesting; the inverse situation of Shin and Hiromi. realfireis said: Fronzel said: Hiromi's ending is nothing but sweetness. Her every problem is gone and she gets everything she wants. The only apparent bitterness is that she seems to regret what this will do to Noe but Hiromi is characterized as so s selfish I can't believe this part. The story fails to get across what it wants. Isn’t every romance like that ,Every story has a winner and a loser .Someone always has to get hurt in a love triangle even if that person is the innocent one. The fact that Noe is the one who got the bad end makes it more tragic but I guess this how life is The problem is that this unlikable character has gotten a much happier ending than the likable characters and is the only one who gets everything she wants (since I can't buy that she cares about Noe). It leaves a bad taste in the mouth. If Hiromi were likable or if her ending wasn't so perfect from her perspective, it wouldn't be annoying like it is. It's not really the ending that's the problem; it's Hiromi's entire character. |
| I don't hate her so much but for me it's simple, he choose the wrong girl. Noe deserved it more than Hiromi i think. And it was like "You give me strength, my heart beats when i look you, but i love other person" Wtf? xD Well i suppose that the feelings are irrationals xD PD: Sorry if i made mistakes, my English isn't perfect xD |
| ive watched 5 episodes and i already dislike hiromi, she is just a bitch. |
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Fronzel said: Hiromi's ending is nothing but sweetness. Her every problem is gone and she gets everything she wants. The only apparent bitterness is that she seems to regret what this will do to Noe but Hiromi is characterized as so selfish I can't believe this part. The story fails to get across what it wants. Well, Hiromi get what she wants because of her efforts. She decided to stay with shin although his mom started the rumors that they are siblings. And Shin's mom always cold to Hiromi. Despite all of that, she endure it because she love shin. For along time.. So she deserves to go out whit Shin in the end. The efforts Hiromi made isnt only for a couple of month. And about what she says to Noe that 'leave us (Shin and her) alone'. I think that's pretty normal. I mean, c'mon Hiromi do that because she loves Shin. I think Hiromi more humanly than anyone in that show. And dont forget, she's not selfish. In the end, she wants Shin to decide and pick who's the one that he loves instead of 'Shin, just forget Noe, You love me right?'. |
| I just finished the anime, and let me say this, It felt like it was going to be another School Days by the end. At least, those were my expectations that I did not want at all. And thankfully, it didn't happen. The thing here, for Hiromi, is she is almost like any other girl in real life. Which is probably this anime's standing point. How much we can relate to the characters because of their similarities. Thing is, the Characters are more complex than we can ever think, feelings take a big hit in this anime. Although Hiromi almost sounds like a selfish b****, that's how a girl should act. She should not just give away the boy for free! She's going to fight for it! Because first of all, there is no such thing as a Harem Ending here. It's either Noe, or Hiromi. This is the whole concept of a Real Life relationship, and that is what this Anime is all about. The Final Thing in this situation is the choice, and this is always the hardest part. In Dramatical Aspects, you can compare this to Clannad. But in Aspect of Character, you can compare this to School Days. I know, it's stupid to compare this to an Anime that just killed everyone off, but the characters are so similar in a way. If you think about School Days, the choice WAS THE HARDEST! Makoto couldn't decide, and thus, lead to his utter 'Bad Ending.' In True Tears, Shin made one of the most greatest decisions I have ever seen appeared in an anime that is most closely related to the 'Harem Edning.' In which everyone is happy. However, one utter mistake from Shin could have left this story crumbling, and both girls wouldn't have even bothered with Shin at all. It was the most reasonable choice, whether you think Hiromi was a b**** or not. Hiromi had the most problems, and I can see why she would be so selfish. However, on Noe's part, it only seemed like their relationship was the thing that made her crumble, and it made Noe seem even more Selfish. To fully understand these two girl's choices. You need to understand how girls, in general, work. Other than that. Himori was my choice all the way. While Noe...Hey At least she has her Brother. Wincest! |
"Hmm, Loli is Fine Too."  |
| Cuz' Hiromi ain't moe.. |
Fronzel said: It's because she gets pretty much nothing but negative characterization yet she gets everything she wants. The whole show is pretty much the story of how a dreary, boring asshole falls backwards into "winning" a love triangle because she has a silly connection from childhood. Aiko's flaws make her interesting; she made a foolish decision and has to deal with the consequences of it. Hiromi's flaws are just sitting there, stinking, yet she comes out smelling like a rose. 10000% correct , she didn't do anything except just simply waited for shin , while noe was constantly cheering shin up and helping him. |
OsuFXOtaku said: I just finished the anime, and let me say this, It felt like it was going to be another School Days by the end. At least, those were my expectations that I did not want at all. And thankfully, it didn't happen. The thing here, for Hiromi, is she is almost like any other girl in real life. Which is probably this anime's standing point. How much we can relate to the characters because of their similarities. Thing is, the Characters are more complex than we can ever think, feelings take a big hit in this anime. Although Hiromi almost sounds like a selfish b****, that's how a girl should act. She should not just give away the boy for free! She's going to fight for it! Because first of all, there is no such thing as a Harem Ending here. It's either Noe, or Hiromi. This is the whole concept of a Real Life relationship, and that is what this Anime is all about. The Final Thing in this situation is the choice, and this is always the hardest part. In Dramatical Aspects, you can compare this to Clannad. But in Aspect of Character, you can compare this to School Days. I know, it's stupid to compare this to an Anime that just killed everyone off, but the characters are so similar in a way. If you think about School Days, the choice WAS THE HARDEST! Makoto couldn't decide, and thus, lead to his utter 'Bad Ending.' In True Tears, Shin made one of the most greatest decisions I have ever seen appeared in an anime that is most closely related to the 'Harem Edning.' In which everyone is happy. However, one utter mistake from Shin could have left this story crumbling, and both girls wouldn't have even bothered with Shin at all. It was the most reasonable choice, whether you think Hiromi was a b**** or not. Hiromi had the most problems, and I can see why she would be so selfish. However, on Noe's part, it only seemed like their relationship was the thing that made her crumble, and it made Noe seem even more Selfish. To fully understand these two girl's choices. You need to understand how girls, in general, work. Other than that. Himori was my choice all the way. While Noe...Hey At least she has her Brother. Wincest! I can tell you that almost all of my friends (girls ) hate hiromi. My ex girlfriend(who's just like her) seems to be the only one who loves hiromi. |
Spreeky said: OsuFXOtaku said: In Dramatical Aspects, you can compare this to Clannad. Don't you dare compare this anime to Clannad. In this anime only one character had personality and character, and that was Noe. You talk about how Hiromi "fought" for it? She didn't do shit. She didn't do anything before Shin's mother apologised. Don't know how you can like such a hollow character. Btw, Fronzel know his shit. He have the same opinion as me. Totally agree. This anime couldn't hold a candle to Clannad. (Though to be fair few series can, in my opinion) And yeah... Fronzel does a pretty darned good job at describing what's wrong with Hiromi. I would have really liked this show if it didn't go for the massive First Girl Wins cop out. Oh, how I HATE that trope. Especially since the "First Girls" tend to be the most boring and least developed characters (like in Hiromi's case). |
| Too lazy. Maybe later. |
Fronzel said: It's because she gets pretty much nothing but negative characterization yet she gets everything she wants. The whole show is pretty much the story of how a dreary, boring asshole falls backwards into "winning" a love triangle because she has a silly connection from childhood. Aiko's flaws make her interesting; she made a foolish decision and has to deal with the consequences of it. Hiromi's flaws are just sitting there, stinking, yet she comes out smelling like a rose. TOTALLLLY AGREEEE |
| Maybe because she gets less screen time and development than Noe/Aiko. Hate is a bit too much though, she's supposedly a quite cheerful girl who had close relationship with Shinichiro until that bitch of a mother screw everything by lying to her. In the end you could say she's the best fit for Shin because for once the childhood friend won!! She obviously has so much more history with Shin although it was never explored much. Plus she was the one that Shin liked from the beginning, you could tell he never liked Noe as much as he liked Hiromi. |
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blu3cru5ad3r said: Fronzel said: Hiromi's ending is nothing but sweetness. Her every problem is gone and she gets everything she wants. The only apparent bitterness is that she seems to regret what this will do to Noe but Hiromi is characterized as so selfish I can't believe this part. The story fails to get across what it wants. Well, Hiromi get what she wants because of her efforts. She decided to stay with shin although his mom started the rumors that they are siblings. And Shin's mom always cold to Hiromi. Despite all of that, she endure it because she love shin. For along time.. So she deserves to go out whit Shin in the end. The efforts Hiromi made isnt only for a couple of month. And about what she says to Noe that 'leave us (Shin and her) alone'. I think that's pretty normal. I mean, c'mon Hiromi do that because she loves Shin. I think Hiromi more humanly than anyone in that show. And dont forget, she's not selfish. In the end, she wants Shin to decide and pick who's the one that he loves instead of 'Shin, just forget Noe, You love me right?'. I totally agree with you, people don't understand that this goes way beyond she loves him, he loves her, what he did, what he should do. 1) After the whole anime, Hiromi had to endure all those bad things, and what ends up stopping her was the lies of Shinichi's mother's lies. She endured all of that, took in secrecy, hide her emotions, still loves shinichi, and was nice til the end for making shinichi finish his choice, (Noe or her). She even states that she will be waiting. 2) Shinichi, misunderstandings block him from progressing/obstacles and thats what makes him grow as the MC, Noe helps him (Drawing pictures) to release his hidden unexpressed emotions that he always wanted to express. While it was vice versa too. 3) Noe, she was only able to cry and release her emotions finally and progress into the future because of Shinichi. If we all think on terms of only love all these hidden parts become obscured into favoring only one character. Its definitely not only about them but about the love, misunderstandings, emotions, and feelings that we should be looking at. All in all, for me it wouldn't have mattered if it was Noe, or Hiromi in the end because they both would have been the perfect ending. Whether you choose one doesn't really matter because I was more interested in the interactions/ and emotional development of each character. But putting it up there, I'm glad that Hiromi was chosen as Shinichi was always the one saying he wanted to help Hiromi cry, take those sad sad feelings that she always expresses on her face after she moved in. I would have been happy too if Noe was chosen as she would gain someone to replace all that empty and sadness that she held with her grandmother too. But in the end, she still gains something, to be able to move on from the "frozeness" that she built after her grandmothers death, cry and express herself and progress/persevere into the future as herself. In short, everyone gained something. Shinichi = his love of his life/ growth in emotions/feelings/decisiveness/manhood Hiromi = Unexpressed feelings, jumping past shitty obstacles, Love of her life, persevering/enduring through really tough times even when your goal is right infront of you (this takes a lot of strength imo to do) Noe = Gaining the ability to express herself once more(crying)/ Live her life she wants to/ lessons on love and feelings in life / Growth as a person into the future |
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| Reviving old threads here~ I couldn't just let it pass. xsilicon9 said: Hiromi was a boring character and it was never explained why Shinichi actually liked her besides being childhood friends. Noe seemed to do a lot more for him. No. Shinichiro first line in the series and what he always repeated to himself: "I want to wipe away those tears of yours" and later on he changed to "I want to be the one who ..." in other words, "I want to make you happy" or "I want to make you smile". This is something you only wish to people you really care about. You don't need a reason to love someone, maybe she did something in the past, or just the time they spend together was enough to make he fall for her, it doesn't matter, he likes her and despite of their uneasy attitude they both known it's a reciprocate feeling. In my opinion, Noe appeared in his life in a period everything was going wrong and Shinichiro himself thought he had not chance with Hiromi anymore. Noe's presence and positive attitude helped him to make his mind and get over it. It's easy to compare their relationship to a summer love. Despite it duration (what, 2 weeks? maybe less) it was meaningful for both of them, however his true feelings, those feelings that he always had and were tormenting him for an year were directed to Hiromi. I don't hate Hiromi, nor blame her for being annoying or selfish at times. Everything that she had to listen from Shinichiro's mother because of that woman complex during an entire year while being unsure whatever of not it's right to give up on her beloved one because he might be blood related to her... Anyone would do the things she did. P.A.Works did the perfect characterization for her, she manages to appear happy in front of other people, but can't stand the feelings she get when sees him or when she's into that house. Summing up, the relationship Shinichiro and Noe had, could be easily portrayed as one of childhood friends (or do anyone sees passion in there? 'cause I don't), they care about each other, but in a friendly affectionate way. On the other hand, Hiromi was always his goal. Even if they make an weird couple, with a dumbass and a crybaby, it's the right choice. |
| The problem wasn't the fact that she was a bad character, because she most certainly wasn't. The problem was that they never showed the audience why we should care about them getting together nor did they justify it very well. Not only that but their relationship was not given any time really, so they had no chemistry and instead only had sexual undertones. If your only excuse for getting characters together is "they love each other" then it's poorly written. You have to show a relationship to an audience and make it believable without relying on that. Sure they told us the feelings of the characters, but they never showed us why we should buy these feelings. Oh and how she treated Noe, yeah that was pretty much the nail on the board for why people hate her. |
hyperknees91Dec 14, 2013 3:33 AM
Fronzel said: I didn't take Hiromi's ending as being as sweet as you make it out to be. Hiromi didn't just want to be with Shinichiro. She wanted to him to be with her and to be sure that he only loved her. She didn't get that, and she gave up on trying to get it by the end of the series. It is clear that she believes that Shinichiro has a lot of deep feelings for Noe from her actions in episode 12 and 13. There is no indication that she stops believing this, but she gives into Shinichiro's desire to quickly start going out. She is tired of waiting to be with him in the manner that she wants to so she settles with what she can get from him.Hiromi's ending is nothing but sweetness. Her every problem is gone and she gets everything she wants. The only apparent bitterness is that she seems to regret what this will do to Noe but Hiromi is characterized as so selfish I can't believe this part. The story fails to get across what it wants. |
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