| So last year was Ai-Kon's first year having guests. This year they're hoping to do that again. Every con I've been to, there's been at least four or five fansubs playing, minimum. They have DVDs of anime as well, but the masses want certain anime, and those can only be shown via fansubs. Last year Greg came and did his little speech about how fansubs are ruining the anime industry, and Ai-Kon has vowed to never show them ever again, as well as be much tougher on the people who try to sneak in bootlegs for us to buy. So this is my question. Do you think Ai-Kon, who's practically survived on just fansubs and about a dozen licensed DVDs, will be able to entertain everyone going this year? |
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| I'm still pissed about that. What about new series that we want to show? Some things don't ever get subbed! I absolutely detest that man for what he has done to Ai-kon. |
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| Yeah I'm not exactly too impressed myself. His statement was that if the money lost due to fansubs came back, that more series would get licensed. That's a crock. Look at CrunchyRoll. It's fansubbing site that makes you pay to watch fansubs in good quality, and now it's been given over $1 million dollars to charge for legit copies too. I know the people of Ai-Kon have probably got their own anime on DVD (that's how we used to watch it back in the day), but I'm sure it's a limited selection. |
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| Doubt they will entertain everybody. Just about all the stuff I watch is not licensed (and probably wont be for quite a while). That guy (which is how I will refer to him now) is now on my list of people I hate (which is a very very small list). One can only hope for things to go back to how they were. |
| It would be nice, but it probably never will be. If I was able to go back this year, and he was invited back, Greg and I would have had a debate on fansubs. He had agreed to it through e-mails I sent on MySpace. With the way things are going, we'll never be able to return back to how it was, and once Ai-Kon becomes license anime online, the same is supposed to happen to Chibi Con. |
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| Honestly, at the very bare bones of the issue, fansubbing IS illegal. I don't agree with Greg Ayers' opinion of 'zomg fansubz arr the exact reason that the industry is faultering', but he has a point. Plus, if Gonzo's legal same-day-with-subtitles-on-youtube approach works, it won't even be an issue a few years from now. I know that I barely ever watch the anime in the rooms, maybe an episode here or there, and the horror movie, so it's not like it'll be a huge loss. And I've heard that it won't be completely fansub-free at all. What I hope will happen is that the companies will be sending screener copies of their new shows. And Chibicon going fansub-free. Never going to happen unless they get sued. Which won't happen either. |
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| While technically it is illegal, it's been getting done better than most licensed subs I've watched, and they're not picky about what's going to make them able to line their pockets. All I agree with Greg on is that you shouldn't have to pay for fansubs and bootlegs. Now THAT is illegal. Yet Crunchyroll has been doing it from the beginning, and there are other sites out there that are following suit. Those are the sites that should get taken down, and considered the "devil" of anime. If Greg and the other activists get their way, you're going to see Chibicon crap themselves for even considering playing fansubs. I don't know what their exact plan is, but if they know what's good for them, they won't do it. That's all I've heard. The problem with what Gonzo was going for, is the same thing FUNimation and other companies were considering, and it's one major flaw. It's for Americans only. Canada, and all the other countries won't be able to participate in this endeavor for quite a while. I don't know why but that's how it is. Same thing goes for the $1.99 episode downloads. It's US only. I still support licensed DVDs, but if they keep licensing and sending out the crap that I wouldn't even watch fansubbed, they're not going to get another red cent from me for as long as they live, and that goes for a lot of others as well I'm sure. When FUNimation gives you "widescreen" DB/Z/GT only to find out it's FAKE widescreen where you no longer see Goku's hair and boots, and "remastered" Slayers where there's more grammatical errors and spelling mistakes than the previous version, you've lost me as a customer. |
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kevin_video said: The problem with what Gonzo was going for, is the same thing FUNimation and other companies were considering, and it's one major flaw. It's for Americans only. Canada, and all the other countries won't be able to participate in this endeavor for quite a while. I don't know why but that's how it is. Same thing goes for the $1.99 episode downloads. It's US only. While I don't disagree (nor do I particularly agree) with the rest of your post, I just want to bring up the fact that both of Gonzo's offerings (The Tower of Druaga: The Aegis of Uruk, and Blassreiter) are available on Youtube, Crunchyroll, and BOST TV. And Crunchyroll is offering HD downloads with no DRM for $2, with lower quality versions being a bit less, while BOST is charging 1.99 per episode with PSP and iPod versions. Youtube is free of course. Fansubs had their place, but they're starting to take their toll on anime as a whole. Same with video piracy in general. Networks like NBC and such have started to combat using streaming video on their sites (though it is US only), and it's time for anime to follow suit. More than just sticking the blame on fansubs, they need to make the need for fansubs obsolete. Gonzo's plan is a small step toward that goal, and I commend. Condemning 'fans' for downloading isn't going to make them budge. The industry is the one that needs to adapt to the needs of the customer, and while some progress has been made, they have a long way to go. |
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| I completely agree with the fact that the need for fansubs have to be dealt with. I was doing some research because I need some ammo against Greg when he and I do our debate at his next fansub thing at Ai-Kon (he's agreed to it via mail on MySpace), and I've learned that while anime sales are going down each year, manga and hentai sales have never been stronger. Something's up, that's for sure. Hentai, even uncensored hentai, can be found almost as easily as regular anime, and everyone knows where to find scantalations of manga. Someone's not telling us the whole story, and I doubt it's the manga and hentai people who are kicking up their heels in celebration. |
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kevin_video said: I completely agree with the fact that the need for fansubs have to be dealt with. I was doing some research because I need some ammo against Greg when he and I do our debate at his next fansub thing at Ai-Kon (he's agreed to it via mail on MySpace), and I've learned that while anime sales are going down each year, manga and hentai sales have never been stronger. Something's up, that's for sure. Hentai, even uncensored hentai, can be found almost as easily as regular anime, and everyone knows where to find scantalations of manga. Someone's not telling us the whole story, and I doubt it's the manga and hentai people who are kicking up their heels in celebration. Porn will always sell no matter what, and holding a portable book in your hands is much easier than taking a computer with you. But honestly, all of the big conventions don't show fansubbed anime, and they get by just fine without it. If Ai-Kon is going to get big (which would be pretty awesome), it's one step that they'd have to take eventually. |
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| Fair enough. The problem is that I can count on both hands what licensed anime Ai-Kon has access to. That's actually really sad. They're going to have to shell out some major cash to buy anime. Maybe even rent some if at all possible. I heard that some of the board members are asking friends that have DVDs if they can borrow them. Again, that's sad. Greg just announced on his MySpace blog that his place got robbed. |
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