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Dec 31, 2024 9:13 AM
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Of course the hate for her is well deserved.

First off, blaming "brainwashing" lets her off the hook far too easily. Patty Hearst tried the same trick in the 1970's and it didn't exactly work out well for her. Ironically, Patty spent more time in prisoner for her bank robberies than Nana does for her 10+ murders, which in itself is unfair - Nana gets away with far too much because she's a girl, instead of in spite of it.

Yes, she would be hated just as much if Nana was male (probably more so).

It should be noted that all Nana's murders were premeditated, on her own cognisance and with malice. Just because she was told to do so, doesn't mean she had to.

In addition to that, just because she may not have wanted to do kill anyone, she was certainly happy to do so (smiling when thinking about killing Mirichu as well as the "won't be shy in killing you" part). Nana is a person who would rather murder someone than think of any sort of alternative (as is the case later on).

Futher more, stating that she's a "child soldier" carries no weight - she's killing civilians, which if she was a soldier makes her actions even more odious.

The fact that people try to exonerate Nana because she was "mind controlled" doesn't hold much water considering she was fully aware of what she was doing; didn't need to; didn't bother querying anything and was fully cognisant during her pre-meditated murders; and she quite happily carried another one out, with no doubt more to come.

In addition, there is no reason why she couldn't have asked questions or even did her own reason about Talents and so forth.

I wasn't surprised that the anime didn't get a second season (if it wasn't just for boosting manga sales) because Nana is so unrelatable, unrelatable and pretty much evil personified. Even later on, she's totally dislikable, obnoxious character.

Considering she's supposed to be intelligent, you would have thought, at the very least, queries the morality, if not the legality and ethics of killing schoolchildren (let alone those she killed before she arrived at the island). She's fully aware of what she's doing, so it's all on her own head. She certainly deserves to be punished far longer than three years (that ends up around 3 months for every kid).

I wouldn't be surprised if Nana Hiiragi does enjoy killing people - she is always smiling happily when thinking about killing her victims.

Whilst she may say that she doesn't want to kill any more, later on - it certainly doesn't stop her (no doubt it would be the first thing she thinks of to solve problems, instead of anything else).

Hopefully, she won't have a happy ending (preferably meet a nasty end - with her own poison needs would be nicely ironic). Whilst she may have "changed" for dubious reasons she will have to end up killing people again at some point. Even though she's changed, she's still an insufferable, nasty little bitch. I've got very little sympathy for her, especially as she was sadistic killing everyone.

And yes, killing Nano led to more people suffering - all because of Nana (no idea why Nano should forgive her - obviously he forgot how Nana taunted him before he fell, although I do hear he did beat the crap out of her as well).

Hopefully she will pay some sort of price for her actions.

Whist Nanao killed more people than Nana, it should be noted that Nana was the cause. It was nice of him really to leave Nana alone, considering she had no compulsion about killing Nanao - he certainly would have had a good reason to seek revenge on her.
Sku_teDec 31, 2024 12:05 PM
Dec 31, 2024 9:43 AM
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I think both Nana and Nanao didn't have to kill this much people even though Nana betrayed and 'killed' him Nanao didn't have to become that monster.
I blame Tsuruoka because he was the one who manipulated,trained and encouraged both Nana and Nanao to be a killer.
Dec 31, 2024 9:53 AM
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I think her character arc is similar to Gabi's with the "the real monsters are le us" theme. It works, I guess, depending if you consider her being beyond redemption or not.

Dec 31, 2024 12:03 PM
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I think her character arc is similar to Gabi's with the "the real monsters are le us" theme. It works, I guess, depending if you consider her being beyond redemption or not.
I do think Nana is beyond redemption
Dec 31, 2024 12:26 PM
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Sku_te said:
Of course the hate for her is well deserved.

First off, blaming "brainwashing" lets her off the hook far too easily. Patty Hearst tried the same trick in the 1970's and it didn't exactly work out well for her. Ironically, Patty spent more time in prisoner for her bank robberies than Nana does for her 10+ murders, which in itself is unfair - Nana gets away with far too much because she's a girl, instead of in spite of it.

Yes, she would be hated just as much if Nana was male (probably more so).

It should be noted that all Nana's murders were premeditated, on her own cognisance and with malice. Just because she was told to do so, doesn't mean she had to.

In addition to that, just because she may not have wanted to do kill anyone, she was certainly happy to do so (smiling when thinking about killing Mirichu as well as the "won't be shy in killing you" part). Nana is a person who would rather murder someone than think of any sort of alternative (as is the case later on).

Futher more, stating that she's a "child soldier" carries no weight - she's killing civilians, which if she was a soldier makes her actions even more odious.

The fact that people try to exonerate Nana because she was "mind controlled" doesn't hold much water considering she was fully aware of what she was doing; didn't need to; didn't bother querying anything and was fully cognisant during her pre-meditated murders; and she quite happily carried another one out, with no doubt more to come.

In addition, there is no reason why she couldn't have asked questions or even did her own reason about Talents and so forth.

I wasn't surprised that the anime didn't get a second season (if it wasn't just for boosting manga sales) because Nana is so unrelatable, unrelatable and pretty much evil personified. Even later on, she's totally dislikable, obnoxious character.

Considering she's supposed to be intelligent, you would have thought, at the very least, queries the morality, if not the legality and ethics of killing schoolchildren (let alone those she killed before she arrived at the island). She's fully aware of what she's doing, so it's all on her own head. She certainly deserves to be punished far longer than three years (that ends up around 3 months for every kid).

I wouldn't be surprised if Nana Hiiragi does enjoy killing people - she is always smiling happily when thinking about killing her victims.

Whilst she may say that she doesn't want to kill any more, later on - it certainly doesn't stop her (no doubt it would be the first thing she thinks of to solve problems, instead of anything else).

Hopefully, she won't have a happy ending (preferably meet a nasty end - with her own poison needs would be nicely ironic). Whilst she may have "changed" for dubious reasons she will have to end up killing people again at some point. Even though she's changed, she's still an insufferable, nasty little bitch. I've got very little sympathy for her, especially as she was sadistic killing everyone.

And yes, killing Nano led to more people suffering - all because of Nana (no idea why Nano should forgive her - obviously he forgot how Nana taunted him before he fell, although I do hear he did beat the crap out of her as well).

Hopefully she will pay some sort of price for her actions.

Whist Nanao killed more people than Nana, it should be noted that Nana was the cause. It was nice of him really to leave Nana alone, considering she had no compulsion about killing Nanao - he certainly would have had a good reason to seek revenge on her.

It’s neither of their faults, Tsuruoka was the one who brainwashed and manipulated both of them for different reasons. Nana’s manipulation started deep with her parents being killed and blamed on the Talented, but she starts to change when she meets Michiru and ofc what happens after that.

Nanao is actively being brainwashed, anything he really does isn’t even his own doing.

You can’t really blame either of them solely because they are being manipulated and brainwashed.
Dec 31, 2024 2:08 PM
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Certainly can - they have full congniative functions and knew precisely what they were doing.

Dec 31, 2024 2:23 PM
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You know the fans ain't toxic when posts like this don't have "ain't reading all that" in the first 5 replies lmao
Dec 31, 2024 2:27 PM
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Overall, she's a disgusting creature
Dec 31, 2024 4:08 PM
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idk if you read the whole manga , I highly suspect she is gonna die at the end
Jan 1, 12:53 AM
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idk if you read the whole manga , I highly suspect she is gonna die at the end
@Synchrohayba Would be the best outcome
Jan 1, 10:18 AM
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Lots of people are used to heroes and I think the story from the villain perspective is great, the fact that we hate her means that she’s doing a good job portraying the villain. That’s why I’m just going to enjoy the story.
(The ending when she dies would be awesome, it kind of reminds me of "angels of death”)
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Jan 1, 12:56 PM
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Lots of people are used to heroes and I think the story from the villain perspective is great, the fact that we hate her means that she’s doing a good job portraying the villain. That’s why I’m just going to enjoy the story.
(The ending when she dies would be awesome, it kind of reminds me of "angels of death”)
@Vv1lya It'll be well worth celebrating.

Be ironic if she ended up being killed by poisoned needles. Would serve her right
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I agree that Nana was fully conscious, and even recently when she needed to kill Nanao again, she didn't have any remorse at first.
But is she unrelatable and evil personified? No. She killed because of strong convictions, which is often even honorable, you can call it patriotic. This is what makes her relatable and likeable. She chooses a path and does not waver. Admirable.

Also, a short sentence in prison... Prison is a useless facility. If you look at statistics, prison almost never helps people to change. But Nana changed, which is a hard thing with her personality. And her "sentence" continues, she tries to atone every day, isn't it better then "Hi, after 10y in prison, I am a changed man now, believe me"

In general this is a cultural difference. In Russian and Western literature/culture, yes punishment comes. Punishment from society, sins always revealed, etc. eg Crime and Punishment by Dostoevskiy
But Japan is different, punishment usually does not come, only mental anguish for everyone involved. eg Heart by Natsume. from Anime.. "Happy sugar life" comes to mind. She did things much more horrible and vomiting than Nana but punishment did not come. For other criminals punishment did not come.So I do not think Nana will die, Japanese authors think differently
Jan 1, 11:09 PM
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I agree that Nana was fully conscious, and even recently when she needed to kill Nanao again, she didn't have any remorse at first.
But is she unrelatable and evil personified? No. She killed because of strong convictions, which is often even honorable, you can call it patriotic. This is what makes her relatable and likeable. She chooses a path and does not waver. Admirable.

Also, a short sentence in prison... Prison is a useless facility. If you look at statistics, prison almost never helps people to change. But Nana changed, which is a hard thing with her personality. And her "sentence" continues, she tries to atone every day, isn't it better then "Hi, after 10y in prison, I am a changed man now, believe me"

In general this is a cultural difference. In Russian and Western literature/culture, yes punishment comes. Punishment from society, sins always revealed, etc. eg Crime and Punishment by Dostoevskiy
But Japan is different, punishment usually does not come, only mental anguish for everyone involved. eg Heart by Natsume. from Anime.. "Happy sugar life" comes to mind. She did things much more horrible and vomiting than Nana but punishment did not come. For other criminals punishment did not come.So I do not think Nana will die, Japanese authors think differently
@Snowy1234 I can't stand her -same with many people. It most likely why the anime series wasn't popular.

I wouldn't call anything she did anything like honourable.

And no, she should have had a much longer sentence (probably life) in prison, especially for 10+ murders, blackmail and others. That's not including those she killed before coming to the island. Plus, she's still killing people (and no doubt will do more), so she's not exactly a changed person

As with wot-her-name in Sugar Life, she does get her just deserts. Hopefully, Nana will suffer the same fate
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Sku_te said:
@Vv1lya It'll be well worth celebrating.

Be ironic if she ended up being killed by poisoned needles. Would serve her right

Yep, it would also be funny if she was killed by someone she trusted/ didn’t expect to kill her.
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Jan 2, 12:33 AM
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@Vv1lya It'll be well worth celebrating.

Be ironic if she ended up being killed by poisoned needles. Would serve her right

Yep, it would also be funny if she was killed by someone she trusted/ didn’t expect to kill her.
@Vv1lya Would be quite fitting, really
Jan 9, 12:19 PM
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How people did Nana kill before coming to the island?

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