Novel readers, is this a spoiler? (S2 question relating to S3 adaptation)

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Subaru did promise about saving Satella even before this particular knowledge back in S2 ep 10 simply because he always feels this creepy but familiar closeness to Satella. Apparently old Tappei interviews state that after absorbing all WFs, Subaru will become human. It's an analogy to all sins making up a human being. Then he might fully comprehend Satella...

Anyway coming back to the anime, Satella's cut intimate lines are also interesting, and so are Subaru's reactions to it: they are like mad ramblings of an Archbishop - so need to take them seriously.

Yeah Breaktime is loosely canon, meaning it depicts canon facts without necessarily depicting canon events XD

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Nov 15, 3:32 AM

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@Laplace_Kun Yeah that's a pretty good idea for it actually.
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Oh true I forgot about that. That supports the anime only perspective a bit better then. That statement from Tappei is interesting. I've actually never heard it. So basically that is the end goal for Subaru then? That's interesting though.. I seriously need to get back to reading arc 7.

The talk about all the stuff Subaru supposedly did for her 400 years ago and to love himself among other things. Yeah that stuff was insane. And how Subaru by the end of it, while not really understanding it, is able to get back on his feet. Like you say this creepy but familiar closeness.

Nice then if that's true there is still hope for an anime only scene of Al's otherworld reveal then.

Nov 15, 3:50 AM

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Keep in mind we don't really know how involved Tappei is in the production, only that it's more direct than in season 1 and 2 (which are a low bar adaptation wise). Considering (arc 9 spoiler)

, I really doubt he was fully on board with that decision.

Regarding your question, I don't think there's any need to consider it a spoiler anymore because ep 7 makes it clear Subaru knows and the viewer is expected to know as well. (also, Tappei, as well as multiple people involved with s3 including both JP and EN VAs tweeted urging people to watch that break time). Iirc after the break time came out there was even confirmation from Ice that there's no reveal in S3.

Treating it as a spoiler at this point would only get in the way of discussion regarding his character, especially now that the break time has been out for a while, it sucks ass that this is what white fox decided to go with, but the only thing we can do about it now is directing people towards the episode (which doesn't even officially exist in English...)

Nov 15, 3:57 AM

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@Laplace_Kun Yeah that's a pretty good idea for it actually.
Arc 6

Oh true I forgot about that. That supports the anime only perspective a bit better then. That statement from Tappei is interesting. I've actually never heard it. So basically that is the end goal for Subaru then? That's interesting though.. I seriously need to get back to reading arc 7.

The talk about all the stuff Subaru supposedly did for her 400 years ago and to love himself among other things. Yeah that stuff was insane. And how Subaru by the end of it, while not really understanding it, is able to get back on his feet. Like you say this creepy but familiar closeness.

Nice then if that's true there is still hope for an anime only scene of Al's otherworld reveal then.

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The Al situation is a good indication on how WF treats cut content unfortunately. Maybe when we get arc 12 break times it will be there 🚬

Nov 15, 9:48 AM

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@Anipoxa Their early strategy was peculiar. Like look at the absolute volume of episodes they dedicated for Arcs 1 and 2, and then steamroll through Arc 3 giving the most impactful moments sufficient time. Still they made it work.

In S2, I felt it was more of the studio thinking that they might not be able to continue this. So, with a dwindling crew, they probably thought cutting some things that will become relevant later won't matter too much. Which is why S2 ep 25 was totally "finale coded".

I am very curious about Arc 4 take, because it is the ultimate frontier for LN adaptation challenges: inner monologues and narration!

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Nov 15, 12:40 PM

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@Anipoxa haha I seriously hope not. It would be hype if it was included in arc 6 somehow. I am going to hold out hope lol.

Also who knows arc 6 in the anime might be able to do a lot. The leak is 22 episodes for arc 6 right? That's more than 4 episodes a volume potentially. Though I would probably be too hopeful to wish for an extended premiere episode for arc 6 similar to what we got for arc 5 right now.

Nov 16, 5:15 AM

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@Anipoxa haha I seriously hope not. It would be hype if it was included in arc 6 somehow. I am going to hold out hope lol.

Also who knows arc 6 in the anime might be able to do a lot. The leak is 22 episodes for arc 6 right? That's more than 4 episodes a volume potentially. Though I would probably be too hopeful to wish for an extended premiere episode for arc 6 similar to what we got for arc 5 right now.

@mawawile arc 6 is five and a half volumes, so 22 episodes is exactly 4 episodes per volume.

Nov 16, 5:24 AM

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@Anipoxa Their early strategy was peculiar. Like look at the absolute volume of episodes they dedicated for Arcs 1 and 2, and then steamroll through Arc 3 giving the most impactful moments sufficient time. Still they made it work.

In S2, I felt it was more of the studio thinking that they might not be able to continue this. So, with a dwindling crew, they probably thought cutting some things that will become relevant later won't matter too much. Which is why S2 ep 25 was totally "finale coded".

I am very curious about Arc 4 take, because it is the ultimate frontier for LN adaptation challenges: inner monologues and narration!

@Laplace_kun Season 3 was already greenlit in 2020, so there was no reason for white fox to make anything look "finale coded". Cutting out foreshadowing and scenes that would matter later is something white fox has been consistently doing since season 1.

Nov 16, 8:30 AM

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@Anipoxa Got any sauce for that? No pressure, I mean that if it was done that early I could have seen people talk about S3 being confirmed back then!

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Nov 16, 11:52 AM

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@Anipoxa Hm maybe the last volume gets 6 eps. I know it is extended. But at the same time is it really that extended? I looked at the wiki and all of arc 6 volumes are 328 pages except for that last one which is 424 pages.

I'm not someone who has analyzed the volumes to get a gauge for episode allocation. So do you think 6 episodes would be fitting? I think maybe 5 just going off the page length. Also I confess I only read the Web Novel version.

That would leave some more breathing room earlier in the arc to make the adaptation more faithful. But also maybe to do things like discussed earlier in the thread, such as adding that split personality Satella content. Unless they include it in that last volume as a reveal by Volcanica as op said. Minus that Al stuff, the ambition of this director coupled with what I've seen so far has been promising for the series. Including the director likely being the one pushing for these breaks and for first episode to be 90 minutes.

Nov 16, 4:23 PM

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@Anipoxa Got any sauce for that? No pressure, I mean that if it was done that early I could have seen people talk about S3 being confirmed back then!

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It was not publicly announced until 2023, that's why people didn't talk about it. Though leaks of its production have existed as early as 2022? If I recall correctly.
As for it being greenlit in 2020, that claim comes from Ice
(https://x.com/LoremIpsumVerb/status/1853452239290900516)

Nov 16, 4:54 PM

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@Anipoxa Hm maybe the last volume gets 6 eps. I know it is extended. But at the same time is it really that extended? I looked at the wiki and all of arc 6 volumes are 328 pages except for that last one which is 424 pages.

I'm not someone who has analyzed the volumes to get a gauge for episode allocation. So do you think 6 episodes would be fitting? I think maybe 5 just going off the page length. Also I confess I only read the Web Novel version.

That would leave some more breathing room earlier in the arc to make the adaptation more faithful. But also maybe to do things like discussed earlier in the thread, such as adding that split personality Satella content. Unless they include it in that last volume as a reveal by Volcanica as op said. Minus that Al stuff, the ambition of this director coupled with what I've seen so far has been promising for the series. Including the director likely being the one pushing for these breaks and for first episode to be 90 minutes.

@mawawile You also have to consider that these are not extended episodes. Season 2 ended up cutting a ton of stuff despite going at 4 extended episodes per volume, and this time around we have 4 regular length episodes per volume (with an extended one every now and then), so there will definitely be major cuts.
It's not out of the question for them to add scenes that weren't in the LN (Take Otto/Reinhard scenes for example), but that would come at a cost of cutting/speedrunning other scenes (In that case, Subaru's second death and basically all of Garfiel stuff). Speaking of Garfiel stuff, (aside from the incredibly weird decision to speedrun and downplay what is some of the best content of the arc), one thing we can take from it going into arc 6 is the complete removal of his inner monologue in that scene. Since white fox seemingly doesn't have any intention of adding a narrator to s3 as well, we can expect stuff like

to be cut too.
While it is possible these cuts will leave more room for white fox to re-add cut content, the only example we have so far is how they handled the Al reveal, so I'm not too optimistic.

Nov 16, 5:12 PM

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I know for a fact that the Re:Zero subreddit considers it non-spoiler.

In general anime-only discussions, I would at the very least still mark it with spoiler tags with a "Cut Content" name. It's well possible that what happened with Al's identity (being adapted later down the line) will also happen with other cut content. After all, it would be impossible to just toss aside important plot points like Satella's split personality. There are anime-onlies who want to experience the anime exclusively and disliked being "spoiled" of Al's identity before it was adapted into anime.

It seems the direction is making a few minor changes to the story for the anime. Changes that aren't all cut content. Al's close-up on his eyes is an anime-only moment for example; we had no idea of his facial features at that point in the novels. So it's probably best to keep cut content as spoiler for now.

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But still, who thought revealing Al's identity in Breaktime was a good idea!?! We already had enough with Tappei giving ground breaking lore and side-character context in Isekai Quartet, secondary novels and shop-exclusive side stories lmao.

Nov 16, 6:44 PM

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@Anipoxa This is my opinion, but I think they will do more than what most readers are expecting. I guess it is understandable keep expectations low, but looking at it objectively, we now have 8 episodes and the overall runtime compared to season 2’s first 8 episodes is actually greater because of that 90 minute episode. In season 2 I think it was the director Watanabe who had to convince the production committee to go for extended length episodes. Watanabe did this because it was necessary so that the anime wouldn’t completely butcher things.

The new director Shinohara has similarly convinced the production committee of many things. The breaks and of course that 90 minute first episode. He really should get some more credit for that 90 minutes episode. And also I’m sure you know, but food for thought—the back to back 29:30 length episodes in season 2 were really a cour 2 thing. Nothing to that level in cour 1, and we right now we are basically in a miniature “cour 1” of a supposed 38 episode project. The leaker Ice did say that some episodes would be extended, but in the end he is still in the dark as far as how that internal decision will be realized in the scope of the whole project. You could give me some more details on what Ice has said if I’m wrong, since I haven’t kept up with it all.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I think the arc 6 adaptation will be pretty amazing. For reference I mean similar to how arc 5 is right now overall adaptation wise, and how season 2 would have been overall without some production problems. To achieve this it cannot be a butchered disaster. And so I think the internal monologues and other psychological stuff that is actually an integral part of the arc will be mostly covered for, someway somehow. Possibly with great direction, storyboarding, character animation, inner narration, etc etc. With the Garfiel stuff I assume you mean the rooftop scene. I won’t excuse them entirely for that. But while reading that scene was some real poetry, I think the it had a great impact in the anime as well.

Anyway the new director’s actions that we can see have overall displayed care to not butcher. Of course I am sure that there will be some cuts though. But I don’t think they will break the adaptation. Stuff like that murder becomes a habit chapter all being cut could ruin it. If it ends up being the most bland adaptation ever, then I would consider that ruined. I understand where you are coming from though. Just because a train wreck hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it can’t happen now. It will be a test for sure.

Nov 16, 9:27 PM

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