Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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Nov 14, 9:23 PM
#1
i already know i'm pissing people off by not calling this season the second coming of christ and i'm aware that everybody's going to accuse me of ragebaiting and being autistic but i genuinely am confused as to why i'm not glazing this season so, prior to starting this season, i rewatched s1+2 and loved them just as much as i did when i first watched them (i actually enjoyed s2 significantly more). so, starting season 3, i was excited but also was oddly worried that i would be disappointed, so i didn't set my expectations that high. even still, i feel like something's just off...? i'm sure the fact that it's airing and the knowledge of this season being so short are influencing my feelings but what we have seen so far somehow feels very fast paced but also uneventful to me. like, stuff has happened, but it feels like there haven't been any real stakes to anything. i get that they were going for a smash ultimate "everyone is here" thing for this season, but with subaru having basically every strong person in the anime all helping him, it completely removes the isolationism concept that seasons 1 and 2 set up for him. in the episodes released so far, subaru has died only a few times, and it felt like they included the deaths just as a way to be like "oh yeah he still has this return by death thing", as he didn't really accomplish anything by dying, aside from gaining slightly more knowledge on the witch of wrath and saving that one kid. finally, there's the pretty obvious shifts in character for emilia and garfiel. i get that it's been a year and stuff happened during that time, but it is a bit jarring to come back and now emilia's an npc and garf is a subaru simp (i know i'm being slanderous; don't crucify me). yeah i dunno maybe stuff gets better but i feel like these first episodes haven't had a great direction and nothing has felt very gripping or suspenseful. obviously this is all just my shit opinion and i'm still gonna get dunked on by 95% of people, but for the remaining 5%, am i crazy? is this actually peak and i'm just too attached to the first seasons? or am i right to some extent? yeah i doubt i'll get any answers so just insult me best you can |
Nov 14, 9:46 PM
#2
I'm with you on at least some of that. Something has been feeling off, and I don't know what it is. I've thought maybe it's weird pacing to me? I should be hyped this season but I ain't (yet). |
Nov 14, 9:48 PM
#3
Subaru isn't gonna keep feeling completely isolated forever until the end of the show, that's the point. One of the core theme of the first two seasons are literally Subaru learning that he can't do everything alone and accepting help from those who cares about him. And now he's doing exactly just that, accepting help and not doing everything alone (even if he still can't tell anyone about RBD). RBD is supposed to be a safety net, not a tool to be abused over and over. The point of season 2 is Subaru realizing his death is not the only thing he can offer to the others around him. |
YoBrainLackCellsNov 14, 9:52 PM
Nov 14, 9:49 PM
#4
it has a different vibe to it. Its a lot more fast paced than all the other arcs so that might be why. i think your gonna like arc 6 alot tho. |
Nov 14, 9:54 PM
#5
Nov 14, 9:56 PM
#6
1) This arc is an action focused arc but the thriller aspects won't be forever gone from Re:Zero 2) The death was only one. But the fact that Emilia was kidnapped by Greed and Subaru still won't use RBD is one of the biggest displays of his growth+it is a setup for the aftermath of Emilia being kidnapped+it is showing the outcome of what kind of story it will be if Subaru won't abuse RBD. 3) Emilia is currently doing everything she can to gain info+pass info to Subaru+fight wrath+stay and protect Regulus' wives as a short term measure because she wants to save them eventually+Witch cult will destroy the city if she leaves. 4) Garf is just a kid who looks up to his boss/older brother whom he was scared of losing because of his abandonment issues he got when his mom left him 5) This arc is not meant to invoke the hopelessness that is usually in the story. But that aspect of the story won't be gone forever 6) Odd numbered arcs ALWAYS focus on action/epic fantasy/royal candidates stuff - Look at arc 1, arc 3 and arc 5 Even numbered arcs focus on complex lore, mysteries, world, Subaru's character development, thriller aspects, psychological depth etc.. - Look at arc 2 and 4 So all aspects of Re:Zero that you think are currently missing will eventually come back. Be patient. 7) This is my personal favourite arc. So I hope you enjoy the second half which is actually incredible. |
Nov 14, 10:15 PM
#7
Tough for you if you're only interested in the isolationism aspect of the show. I don't think there's any feasible and believable way to get Subaru to feel isolated in literally every arc, except maybe you make him regressed in the beginning of each arc. |
Nov 14, 10:15 PM
#8
KaijiKey said: i already know i'm pissing people off by not calling this season the second coming of christ and i'm aware that everybody's going to accuse me of ragebaiting and being autistic but i genuinely am confused as to why i'm not glazing this season so, prior to starting this season, i rewatched s1+2 and loved them just as much as i did when i first watched them (i actually enjoyed s2 significantly more). so, starting season 3, i was excited but also was oddly worried that i would be disappointed, so i didn't set my expectations that high. even still, i feel like something's just off...? i'm sure the fact that it's airing and the knowledge of this season being so short are influencing my feelings but what we have seen so far somehow feels very fast paced but also uneventful to me. like, stuff has happened, but it feels like there haven't been any real stakes to anything. i get that they were going for a smash ultimate "everyone is here" thing for this season, but with subaru having basically every strong person in the anime all helping him, it completely removes the isolationism concept that seasons 1 and 2 set up for him. in the episodes released so far, subaru has died only a few times, and it felt like they included the deaths just as a way to be like "oh yeah he still has this return by death thing", as he didn't really accomplish anything by dying, aside from gaining slightly more knowledge on the witch of wrath and saving that one kid. finally, there's the pretty obvious shifts in character for emilia and garfiel. i get that it's been a year and stuff happened during that time, but it is a bit jarring to come back and now emilia's an npc and garf is a subaru simp (i know i'm being slanderous; don't crucify me). yeah i dunno maybe stuff gets better but i feel like these first episodes haven't had a great direction and nothing has felt very gripping or suspenseful. obviously this is all just my shit opinion and i'm still gonna get dunked on by 95% of people, but for the remaining 5%, am i crazy? is this actually peak and i'm just too attached to the first seasons? or am i right to some extent? yeah i doubt i'll get any answers so just insult me best you can Feel the same way it’s not a bad szn for me personally but not that great too still nowhere close to s1 and part 2 of s2 hopefully the second part of s3 pops off |
Nov 14, 10:48 PM
#9
First of all, you have a very horrible take on calling Emilia an NPC when she very clearly had agency through her POVs in the episodes, so that tells me you are not paying enough attention to her character development, which is a you issue. Garf was shown to respect Subaru highly after his fight with him in S2 and was even willing to fight Elsa because he believed in Subaru, so you saying that Garfiel is a Subaru glazer once again tells me that you did not fully understand and appreciate his scenes with Subaru in S2. Likewise, for you to say that Subaru did not accomplish anything with his deaths is ludicrous and you have to be kidding yourself to say that there were episodes that had no great direction and suspenseful eps, like ep 2 and 5 for example, so you cannot be this overlooking mate because your arguments offer no solid value IMO. Despite everything negative I have said, I understand and respect that this is your opinion, so it is fine to have it at the end of the day, even if what you said is a horrible way to put it. What you loved in S1-2 is essentially what will be encompassed in Arc 6 (the latter half of S3), so I know what the masses will ideally want to see from Re:0. Us WN readers know it all too well, so my advice, do continue watching as cour 2 will be even better but for what you desire to see will most certainly come later down the line in the anime, you have my word. |
Nov 14, 11:18 PM
#10
Well that's because it's not as good. Even season 2 was already a downgrade from the 1st season which was a masterpiece. But since then ReZero has been a good but not great show |
Nov 14, 11:41 PM
#11
i already know i'm pissing people off by not calling this season the second coming of christ i genuinely am confused as to why i'm not glazing this season Who's holding you at gunpoint, tho? There are hordes of Re:Zero fans who are simply appreciating things for what they are while this is not even being their favorite show this season. so, prior to starting this season, i rewatched s1+2 and loved them just as much as i did when i first watched them (i actually enjoyed s2 significantly more). so, starting season 3, i was excited but also was oddly worried that i would be disappointed, so i didn't set my expectations that high. even still, i feel like something's just off...? Well season 2 is a high bar to clear despite its obvious shortcomings due to covid related studio problems. S1 is literally carried by two masterful episodes, 4-5 good episodes and the rest "better than your average isekai" episodes. S2 has been a significant improvement over S1 in terms of story, character writing, immersion, mystery, novelty, better content among many other things, though having dialogue delivery problems and presentation methodology crisis. That being said, without S1 existing, S2 wouldn't have worked with it's mystery box structure. Apparently you enjoyed S2 significantly more, so shouldn't the natural expectation be more like ""S3 can't be worse than S1?" i'm sure the fact that it's airing and the knowledge of this season being so short are influencing my feelings but what we have seen so far somehow feels very fast paced but also uneventful to me. like, stuff has happened, but it feels like there haven't been any real stakes to anything. i get that they were going for a smash ultimate "everyone is here" thing for this season, but with subaru having basically every strong person in the anime all helping him, it completely removes the isolationism concept that seasons 1 and 2 set up for him. in the episodes released so far, subaru has died only a few times, and it felt like they included the deaths just as a way to be like "oh yeah he still has this return by death thing", as he didn't really accomplish anything by dying, aside from gaining slightly more knowledge on the witch of wrath and saving that one kid. So, does RbD being spammed incessantly the sole source of stakes for you? Isn't it more dangerous that irreversible things will happen if it not used? The title of this arc is literally something like "The stars that make history". If Subaru is still like "I am the only one who needs to see hell" in S2, it is absolute storytelling stagnation. If you like the isolation themes, do you really think Re:Zero has totally discarded one of it's strongest points? Does the story feel close to a climax just because it decided to pay it's cast some attention? but it is a bit jarring to come back and now emilia's an npc and garf is a subaru simp (i know i'm being slanderous; don't crucify me). But this ain't slanderous, this is just false... Emilia literally has some of the most screentime even if she is away from the action. And she actually actively does things - pursue Subaru to help him, fight an Archbishop, save someone who she has met for less than a day, provide valuable information, etc. Garfiel in this arc has his own story going on compared to the last arc where he is essentially just the newest addition to Emilia camp. i'm still gonna get dunked on by 95% of people, but for the remaining 5%, am i crazy? Statistically, how do you even get that percentage? This is not even a widely regarded fan favorite arc. And yet, some of the best moments are yet to be adapted. yeah i doubt i'll get any answers so just insult me best you can So what do you want? Answers or insults? |
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
Nov 14, 11:52 PM
#12
I don't know why that is but I had more fun while reading the light novels |
Nov 15, 1:40 AM
#13
I’ll focus on the more objective points and skip the vague ones. Emilia has become a far more proactive and decisive character than in Season 1 and 2, so I don’t understand what you’re getting at. Garfiel is receiving much deeper development and is facing plenty of challenges. This season’s stakes might actually feel more real than before, as Subaru is actively trying to avoid dying (and has gotten better at it), even though others have already suffered or died. You can’t expect the story to stick to the same formula forever. Btw, you’re correct that the direction’s quality is lower than in previous seasons. If you’d like to discuss a more specific point, it might be more constructive. |
Nov 15, 2:07 AM
#14
KaijiKey said: i already know i'm pissing people off by not calling this season the second coming of christ and i'm aware that everybody's going to accuse me of ragebaiting and being autistic but i genuinely am confused as to why i'm not glazing this season so, prior to starting this season, i rewatched s1+2 and loved them just as much as i did when i first watched them (i actually enjoyed s2 significantly more). so, starting season 3, i was excited but also was oddly worried that i would be disappointed, so i didn't set my expectations that high. even still, i feel like something's just off...? i'm sure the fact that it's airing and the knowledge of this season being so short are influencing my feelings but what we have seen so far somehow feels very fast paced but also uneventful to me. like, stuff has happened, but it feels like there haven't been any real stakes to anything. i get that they were going for a smash ultimate "everyone is here" thing for this season, but with subaru having basically every strong person in the anime all helping him, it completely removes the isolationism concept that seasons 1 and 2 set up for him. in the episodes released so far, subaru has died only a few times, and it felt like they included the deaths just as a way to be like "oh yeah he still has this return by death thing", as he didn't really accomplish anything by dying, aside from gaining slightly more knowledge on the witch of wrath and saving that one kid. finally, there's the pretty obvious shifts in character for emilia and garfiel. i get that it's been a year and stuff happened during that time, but it is a bit jarring to come back and now emilia's an npc and garf is a subaru simp (i know i'm being slanderous; don't crucify me). yeah i dunno maybe stuff gets better but i feel like these first episodes haven't had a great direction and nothing has felt very gripping or suspenseful. obviously this is all just my shit opinion and i'm still gonna get dunked on by 95% of people, but for the remaining 5%, am i crazy? is this actually peak and i'm just too attached to the first seasons? or am i right to some extent? yeah i doubt i'll get any answers so just insult me best you can because it's trash |
Nov 15, 2:51 AM
#15
Reply to Nafis_Syed
First of all, you have a very horrible take on calling Emilia an NPC when she very clearly had agency through her POVs in the episodes, so that tells me you are not paying enough attention to her character development, which is a you issue. Garf was shown to respect Subaru highly after his fight with him in S2 and was even willing to fight Elsa because he believed in Subaru, so you saying that Garfiel is a Subaru glazer once again tells me that you did not fully understand and appreciate his scenes with Subaru in S2. Likewise, for you to say that Subaru did not accomplish anything with his deaths is ludicrous and you have to be kidding yourself to say that there were episodes that had no great direction and suspenseful eps, like ep 2 and 5 for example, so you cannot be this overlooking mate because your arguments offer no solid value IMO.
Despite everything negative I have said, I understand and respect that this is your opinion, so it is fine to have it at the end of the day, even if what you said is a horrible way to put it. What you loved in S1-2 is essentially what will be encompassed in Arc 6 (the latter half of S3), so I know what the masses will ideally want to see from Re:0. Us WN readers know it all too well, so my advice, do continue watching as cour 2 will be even better but for what you desire to see will most certainly come later down the line in the anime, you have my word.
Despite everything negative I have said, I understand and respect that this is your opinion, so it is fine to have it at the end of the day, even if what you said is a horrible way to put it. What you loved in S1-2 is essentially what will be encompassed in Arc 6 (the latter half of S3), so I know what the masses will ideally want to see from Re:0. Us WN readers know it all too well, so my advice, do continue watching as cour 2 will be even better but for what you desire to see will most certainly come later down the line in the anime, you have my word.
@Nafis_Syed Emillia is an NPC. As of episode 7, Subaru's party is Reinhard, Otto, Alderban, Garfiel, Julius, the purple princess and Ricardo. If you're not in a party, you're an NPC. Just because you bake the hero a cake, in the event you'll be rescued, doesn't make you a Party Character. |
Nov 15, 3:03 AM
#16
Reply to Alternate_Wraph
@Nafis_Syed
Emillia is an NPC.
As of episode 7, Subaru's party is Reinhard, Otto, Alderban, Garfiel, Julius, the purple princess and Ricardo. If you're not in a party, you're an NPC. Just because you bake the hero a cake, in the event you'll be rescued, doesn't make you a Party Character.
Emillia is an NPC.
As of episode 7, Subaru's party is Reinhard, Otto, Alderban, Garfiel, Julius, the purple princess and Ricardo. If you're not in a party, you're an NPC. Just because you bake the hero a cake, in the event you'll be rescued, doesn't make you a Party Character.
@Alternate_Wraph Since when NPC means Non Party Character lmfao. Emilia doesn't really need rescue she can escape herself any time. In this case she's more like an agent, a Trojan horse. If anything, she's deeper in enemy territory than anyone else. |
Nov 15, 3:03 AM
#17
Reply to Alternate_Wraph
@Nafis_Syed
Emillia is an NPC.
As of episode 7, Subaru's party is Reinhard, Otto, Alderban, Garfiel, Julius, the purple princess and Ricardo. If you're not in a party, you're an NPC. Just because you bake the hero a cake, in the event you'll be rescued, doesn't make you a Party Character.
Emillia is an NPC.
As of episode 7, Subaru's party is Reinhard, Otto, Alderban, Garfiel, Julius, the purple princess and Ricardo. If you're not in a party, you're an NPC. Just because you bake the hero a cake, in the event you'll be rescued, doesn't make you a Party Character.
@Alternate_Wraph She actively scouted Regulus's hideout and made essential contact with Al, relaying him information that went on to be a stepping stone for Subaru's speech to come into motion. There's also another plot point that was also being actively developed with Emilia but it's to be saved for cour 2, so I won't talk about it for now. |
Nov 15, 3:39 AM
#18
Simple answer is because this is more of an action arc which is not Re zero's strong point. If u can just casually enjoy this arc for what it is, the next arc should give you what you want. |
Nov 15, 4:00 AM
#19
Reply to Yosakusan
Simple answer is because this is more of an action arc which is not Re zero's strong point. If u can just casually enjoy this arc for what it is, the next arc should give you what you want.
@Yosakusan action arc which is not Re zero's strong point it is definitely one of Re:Zero's strong points, just not one of white fox's strong points. |
Nov 15, 4:40 AM
#20
I felt this way for the first few episodes, but then i watched them back together and I realized that watching this show weekly is not the best way to watch it. The reality is that this show has never had great pacing, mostly because its a very dense light novel and things are bound to be cut which can mess with the intended pacing of the series. I strongly disagree with your character analysis with Garf and Emilia and youre not considering that Garf is still a child and Emilia has always been a bit airheaded. Also the isolationism aspect of the show is not permanently gone, its gonna come back harder than ever for the second part of season 3 (eps 17-38) |
Nov 15, 11:29 AM
#21
Nov 15, 11:41 AM
#22
Reply to Kitsune_089
i think its around the level of season 1s action arcs, s2 was still better though
@Kitsune_089 vibe check test!! What's your take on the scene where Subaru narrates the blue and red oni story in S1? |
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
Nov 15, 12:40 PM
#23
Laplace_kun said: @Kitsune_089 vibe check test!! What's your take on the scene where Subaru narrates the blue and red oni story in S1? idk kinda underwhelming, is it even real Japanese folklore or just completely random? I couldnt connect it to rem and ram really well |
Nov 15, 12:58 PM
#24
Kitsune_089 said: Laplace_kun said: @Kitsune_089 vibe check test!! What's your take on the scene where Subaru narrates the blue and red oni story in S1? idk kinda underwhelming, is it even real Japanese folklore or just completely random? I couldnt connect it to rem and ram really well It is connected to real Japanese folklore, and it ties to Rem and Ram because of their respective backstory and internal struggles. Since you probably like the psychological aspects of the show more, I'll leave the analysis to you. As for superficial aspects... Well Ram has her horn broken like the Red Oni. She's also an extrovert and interacts with others who are not of her kind. Meanwhile Rem is the isolated, introverted blue oni who's motivations largely center around loyalty and sincerity. She's also the more unpredictable and intense one - in fact Ram killed Subaru to ease his pain when Rem was starting to torture him in S1. That narration was also one of the best directed scenes in the series. |
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
Nov 15, 4:58 PM
#25
I feel something similar. This season, for now, is not pleasing me as much as the others. Since I haven't read the novel yet, I wonder if it has something to do with the change of director or the arc itself. |
SolrfoNov 15, 5:12 PM
Nov 15, 5:02 PM
#26
I read the first two volumes that covered this arc and the pacing seems pretty fast. I didn’t read any further but feel like it would’ve been nice to spread out those first 3 episodes a bit more. Just my opinion tho. |
Nov 15, 5:57 PM
#27
I'm enjoying this season but there is nothing peak about it yet, IMHO, the peak in Re:Zero so far is S1 with that beautiful backstory and resolution of Wilhelm & Theresia, that backstory made me cry, and the other peak moment was in S2 when Subaru was telling Beatrice to choose him and grab his hand, I also shed a couple of tears there, so far this season doesn't have any of it but that's ok, we are in episode 7, the peak moment will probably happen later. So yeah, this season is nice so far and I'm enjoying it, but there is nothing peak about it yet, the speech in the latest episode was supposed to be the peak moment but for me it wasn't, it was just a nice speech and nothing else, nothing peak about it. |
Nov 15, 6:03 PM
#28
Despite the cringey Subaru speech on the latest episode. Overall Season 3 is much better than that boring Season 2 imo. Of course Season 1 was still the best among the three. As for why you don't enjoy s3 that much, maybe it's the weird pacing. |
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Nov 15, 6:43 PM
#29
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#31
Reply to YoBrainLackCells
Subaru isn't gonna keep feeling completely isolated forever until the end of the show, that's the point. One of the core theme of the first two seasons are literally Subaru learning that he can't do everything alone and accepting help from those who cares about him. And now he's doing exactly just that, accepting help and not doing everything alone (even if he still can't tell anyone about RBD).
RBD is supposed to be a safety net, not a tool to be abused over and over. The point of season 2 is Subaru realizing his death is not the only thing he can offer to the others around him.
RBD is supposed to be a safety net, not a tool to be abused over and over. The point of season 2 is Subaru realizing his death is not the only thing he can offer to the others around him.
@YoBrainLackCells yeah that makes sense... i still think it was kinda abrupt (like bro literally has everyone on his side), but if that's the direction the story's going then i'm just gonna have to accept it |
Nov 15, 8:00 PM
#32
Reply to simply965
1) This arc is an action focused arc but the thriller aspects won't be forever gone from Re:Zero
2) The death was only one. But the fact that Emilia was kidnapped by Greed and Subaru still won't use RBD is one of the biggest displays of his growth+it is a setup for the aftermath of Emilia being kidnapped+it is showing the outcome of what kind of story it will be if Subaru won't abuse RBD.
3) Emilia is currently doing everything she can to gain info+pass info to Subaru+fight wrath+stay and protect Regulus' wives as a short term measure because she wants to save them eventually+Witch cult will destroy the city if she leaves.
4) Garf is just a kid who looks up to his boss/older brother whom he was scared of losing because of his abandonment issues he got when his mom left him
5) This arc is not meant to invoke the hopelessness that is usually in the story. But that aspect of the story won't be gone forever
6) Odd numbered arcs ALWAYS focus on action/epic fantasy/royal candidates stuff - Look at arc 1, arc 3 and arc 5
Even numbered arcs focus on complex lore, mysteries, world, Subaru's character development, thriller aspects, psychological depth etc.. - Look at arc 2 and 4
So all aspects of Re:Zero that you think are currently missing will eventually come back. Be patient.
7) This is my personal favourite arc. So I hope you enjoy the second half which is actually incredible.
2) The death was only one. But the fact that Emilia was kidnapped by Greed and Subaru still won't use RBD is one of the biggest displays of his growth+it is a setup for the aftermath of Emilia being kidnapped+it is showing the outcome of what kind of story it will be if Subaru won't abuse RBD.
3) Emilia is currently doing everything she can to gain info+pass info to Subaru+fight wrath+stay and protect Regulus' wives as a short term measure because she wants to save them eventually+Witch cult will destroy the city if she leaves.
4) Garf is just a kid who looks up to his boss/older brother whom he was scared of losing because of his abandonment issues he got when his mom left him
5) This arc is not meant to invoke the hopelessness that is usually in the story. But that aspect of the story won't be gone forever
6) Odd numbered arcs ALWAYS focus on action/epic fantasy/royal candidates stuff - Look at arc 1, arc 3 and arc 5
Even numbered arcs focus on complex lore, mysteries, world, Subaru's character development, thriller aspects, psychological depth etc.. - Look at arc 2 and 4
So all aspects of Re:Zero that you think are currently missing will eventually come back. Be patient.
7) This is my personal favourite arc. So I hope you enjoy the second half which is actually incredible.
@simply965 2. oh i must be buggin i thought he died at least twice... i agree though, i guess it just feels weird that he accepted emilia being taken so quickly. like in season 2, the entire first half of the season was him dying over and over trying to do everything by himself, and now he's lowkey kinda chill with the current situation (at least, compared to him in the past.) 3. okay i get that. she still feels kinda weird to me, like she has completely overcome her emotions, but i guess that's just called character progression lol 4. okay yeah i understand why garf is the way he is now, i guess i just miss that sort of attitude that he had in s2 (god i wish i could have said that differently) 5. okay good. i love depression. 6. oh damn i had no clue 7. dope, i'm looking forward to it |
Nov 15, 8:03 PM
#33
To me there is some things that have changed that might make you feel that way. Emilia is not some who Subaru needs to work hard to be on her level, Reinhardt is around which with how mysterious his powers are it is easy to idolize him, the clown and rem/ ram are gone, 80 to 90% of this season are focused on fight for the city, as you said his deaths are not often and help him very little, the villains monologuing are less eerie but the scenes are more grotesque, there is a lot less highs and lows this season, and there is no cliffhangers which his deaths used to be great cliffhangers. |
Nov 15, 8:09 PM
#34
Reply to Nafis_Syed
First of all, you have a very horrible take on calling Emilia an NPC when she very clearly had agency through her POVs in the episodes, so that tells me you are not paying enough attention to her character development, which is a you issue. Garf was shown to respect Subaru highly after his fight with him in S2 and was even willing to fight Elsa because he believed in Subaru, so you saying that Garfiel is a Subaru glazer once again tells me that you did not fully understand and appreciate his scenes with Subaru in S2. Likewise, for you to say that Subaru did not accomplish anything with his deaths is ludicrous and you have to be kidding yourself to say that there were episodes that had no great direction and suspenseful eps, like ep 2 and 5 for example, so you cannot be this overlooking mate because your arguments offer no solid value IMO.
Despite everything negative I have said, I understand and respect that this is your opinion, so it is fine to have it at the end of the day, even if what you said is a horrible way to put it. What you loved in S1-2 is essentially what will be encompassed in Arc 6 (the latter half of S3), so I know what the masses will ideally want to see from Re:0. Us WN readers know it all too well, so my advice, do continue watching as cour 2 will be even better but for what you desire to see will most certainly come later down the line in the anime, you have my word.
Despite everything negative I have said, I understand and respect that this is your opinion, so it is fine to have it at the end of the day, even if what you said is a horrible way to put it. What you loved in S1-2 is essentially what will be encompassed in Arc 6 (the latter half of S3), so I know what the masses will ideally want to see from Re:0. Us WN readers know it all too well, so my advice, do continue watching as cour 2 will be even better but for what you desire to see will most certainly come later down the line in the anime, you have my word.
@Nafis_Syed alright alright! this is the kind of response i expected yeah i was just being lazy when i called emilia an npc; i didn't take the time to better elaborate. basically, i just feel like she's less expressive this season? like i get that her overcoming her emotions is character development, but it is a bit jarring when i'm used to her demeanor in the earlier seasons and now she's like super confident. also i'm not saying i hate strong women; crusch is dope as hell with garf, i just miss the sort of gruff attitude he had in s2. looking up to subaru is cool and all and i love their dynamic, but it feels like he's sort of done the opposite of emilia and completely given in to his emotions. i'm not saying i hate emotional guys either. also i'm pretty sure i never posed any arguments in my first post...? idk maybe it was interpreted as one |
Nov 15, 8:11 PM
#35
Reply to Futter
Well that's because it's not as good. Even season 2 was already a downgrade from the 1st season which was a masterpiece. But since then ReZero has been a good but not great show
@Futter okay i agree s1 is the best (lowkey might be my favorite season of anime period), but i think s2 is still really great. on my first watch, i legit was sleeping through it but after my rewatch, i realized how great the character dynamics were and loved it. |
Nov 15, 8:28 PM
#36
Reply to Laplace_kun
i already know i'm pissing people off by not calling this season the second coming of christ
i genuinely am confused as to why i'm not glazing this season
Who's holding you at gunpoint, tho? There are hordes of Re:Zero fans who are simply appreciating things for what they are while this is not even being their favorite show this season.
so, prior to starting this season, i rewatched s1+2 and loved them just as much as i did when i first watched them (i actually enjoyed s2 significantly more). so, starting season 3, i was excited but also was oddly worried that i would be disappointed, so i didn't set my expectations that high. even still, i feel like something's just off...?
Well season 2 is a high bar to clear despite its obvious shortcomings due to covid related studio problems. S1 is literally carried by two masterful episodes, 4-5 good episodes and the rest "better than your average isekai" episodes. S2 has been a significant improvement over S1 in terms of story, character writing, immersion, mystery, novelty, better content among many other things, though having dialogue delivery problems and presentation methodology crisis. That being said, without S1 existing, S2 wouldn't have worked with it's mystery box structure. Apparently you enjoyed S2 significantly more, so shouldn't the natural expectation be more like ""S3 can't be worse than S1?"
i'm sure the fact that it's airing and the knowledge of this season being so short are influencing my feelings but what we have seen so far somehow feels very fast paced but also uneventful to me. like, stuff has happened, but it feels like there haven't been any real stakes to anything. i get that they were going for a smash ultimate "everyone is here" thing for this season, but with subaru having basically every strong person in the anime all helping him, it completely removes the isolationism concept that seasons 1 and 2 set up for him. in the episodes released so far, subaru has died only a few times, and it felt like they included the deaths just as a way to be like "oh yeah he still has this return by death thing", as he didn't really accomplish anything by dying, aside from gaining slightly more knowledge on the witch of wrath and saving that one kid.
So, does RbD being spammed incessantly the sole source of stakes for you? Isn't it more dangerous that irreversible things will happen if it not used? The title of this arc is literally something like "The stars that make history". If Subaru is still like "I am the only one who needs to see hell" in S2, it is absolute storytelling stagnation. If you like the isolation themes, do you really think Re:Zero has totally discarded one of it's strongest points? Does the story feel close to a climax just because it decided to pay it's cast some attention?
but it is a bit jarring to come back and now emilia's an npc and garf is a subaru simp (i know i'm being slanderous; don't crucify me).
But this ain't slanderous, this is just false... Emilia literally has some of the most screentime even if she is away from the action. And she actually actively does things - pursue Subaru to help him, fight an Archbishop, save someone who she has met for less than a day, provide valuable information, etc. Garfiel in this arc has his own story going on compared to the last arc where he is essentially just the newest addition to Emilia camp.
i'm still gonna get dunked on by 95% of people, but for the remaining 5%, am i crazy?
Statistically, how do you even get that percentage? This is not even a widely regarded fan favorite arc. And yet, some of the best moments are yet to be adapted.
yeah i doubt i'll get any answers so just insult me best you can
So what do you want? Answers or insults?
@Laplace_kun hell yeah another one (i have no clue how to do that quote thing so I'm just gonna go in order lol) honestly i was just joking; my friend and i just like to glaze rezero like crazy that's my fault, i worded that poorly. s1 is my favorite season, i just happened to enjoy season 2 during my rewatch a lot more than i did during my first watch. nah i don't think he should spam return by death at all and i agree that he should rely on others for help. to me, it just felt like those first deaths didn't really serve much of a purpose. and with the rest of the cast, i love the concept of all of them being present, but for such a short, fast-paced season, it just feels weird. like, if there's gonna be a lot of characters in the season, i want to have the time for them to actually develop. the sheer volume of characters this season though has honestly led me to grow less attached to some of them as i know that there's not gonna be time for proper development and most of them are only there to give subaru some extra firepower. yeah i said in another comment that i was kinda just lazy when talking about emilia and garf. i think their screentime has been great so far, it's just the switch-up from season 2 that's thrown me off a bit. i go more in depth in that other comment; i lowkey don't wanna type it all out again man, I'm just making shit up. every manga reader i've talked to has said this arc is peak and i know as a fact that anime fans just get tilted over literally anything... cause i'm one too i mean i've pretty much got both so i'm happy |
Nov 15, 8:33 PM
#37
Reply to MaouHero
I’ll focus on the more objective points and skip the vague ones. Emilia has become a far more proactive and decisive character than in Season 1 and 2, so I don’t understand what you’re getting at. Garfiel is receiving much deeper development and is facing plenty of challenges.
This season’s stakes might actually feel more real than before, as Subaru is actively trying to avoid dying (and has gotten better at it), even though others have already suffered or died.
You can’t expect the story to stick to the same formula forever.
Btw, you’re correct that the direction’s quality is lower than in previous seasons.
If you’d like to discuss a more specific point, it might be more constructive.
This season’s stakes might actually feel more real than before, as Subaru is actively trying to avoid dying (and has gotten better at it), even though others have already suffered or died.
You can’t expect the story to stick to the same formula forever.
Btw, you’re correct that the direction’s quality is lower than in previous seasons.
If you’d like to discuss a more specific point, it might be more constructive.
@MaouHero yo, i appreciate the not heated response lol yeah it seems the stuff i said about emilia and garf is what has been most controversial, primarily cause i didn't elaborate or use better wording. I've already talked about them in other comments but in short, emilia feels a bit less expressive and just straight up different than her previous appearances (also it kinda pisses me off for some reason that they keep inflating her chest), and i frankly just miss the roughness that garf has in s2. obviously he's still gruff, but to less of an extent imo |
Nov 15, 8:34 PM
#38
Reply to pikun007
KaijiKey said:
i already know i'm pissing people off by not calling this season the second coming of christ and i'm aware that everybody's going to accuse me of ragebaiting and being autistic but i genuinely am confused as to why i'm not glazing this season
so, prior to starting this season, i rewatched s1+2 and loved them just as much as i did when i first watched them (i actually enjoyed s2 significantly more). so, starting season 3, i was excited but also was oddly worried that i would be disappointed, so i didn't set my expectations that high. even still, i feel like something's just off...?
i'm sure the fact that it's airing and the knowledge of this season being so short are influencing my feelings but what we have seen so far somehow feels very fast paced but also uneventful to me. like, stuff has happened, but it feels like there haven't been any real stakes to anything. i get that they were going for a smash ultimate "everyone is here" thing for this season, but with subaru having basically every strong person in the anime all helping him, it completely removes the isolationism concept that seasons 1 and 2 set up for him. in the episodes released so far, subaru has died only a few times, and it felt like they included the deaths just as a way to be like "oh yeah he still has this return by death thing", as he didn't really accomplish anything by dying, aside from gaining slightly more knowledge on the witch of wrath and saving that one kid.
finally, there's the pretty obvious shifts in character for emilia and garfiel. i get that it's been a year and stuff happened during that time, but it is a bit jarring to come back and now emilia's an npc and garf is a subaru simp (i know i'm being slanderous; don't crucify me).
yeah i dunno maybe stuff gets better but i feel like these first episodes haven't had a great direction and nothing has felt very gripping or suspenseful. obviously this is all just my shit opinion and i'm still gonna get dunked on by 95% of people, but for the remaining 5%, am i crazy? is this actually peak and i'm just too attached to the first seasons? or am i right to some extent?
yeah i doubt i'll get any answers so just insult me best you can
i already know i'm pissing people off by not calling this season the second coming of christ and i'm aware that everybody's going to accuse me of ragebaiting and being autistic but i genuinely am confused as to why i'm not glazing this season
so, prior to starting this season, i rewatched s1+2 and loved them just as much as i did when i first watched them (i actually enjoyed s2 significantly more). so, starting season 3, i was excited but also was oddly worried that i would be disappointed, so i didn't set my expectations that high. even still, i feel like something's just off...?
i'm sure the fact that it's airing and the knowledge of this season being so short are influencing my feelings but what we have seen so far somehow feels very fast paced but also uneventful to me. like, stuff has happened, but it feels like there haven't been any real stakes to anything. i get that they were going for a smash ultimate "everyone is here" thing for this season, but with subaru having basically every strong person in the anime all helping him, it completely removes the isolationism concept that seasons 1 and 2 set up for him. in the episodes released so far, subaru has died only a few times, and it felt like they included the deaths just as a way to be like "oh yeah he still has this return by death thing", as he didn't really accomplish anything by dying, aside from gaining slightly more knowledge on the witch of wrath and saving that one kid.
finally, there's the pretty obvious shifts in character for emilia and garfiel. i get that it's been a year and stuff happened during that time, but it is a bit jarring to come back and now emilia's an npc and garf is a subaru simp (i know i'm being slanderous; don't crucify me).
yeah i dunno maybe stuff gets better but i feel like these first episodes haven't had a great direction and nothing has felt very gripping or suspenseful. obviously this is all just my shit opinion and i'm still gonna get dunked on by 95% of people, but for the remaining 5%, am i crazy? is this actually peak and i'm just too attached to the first seasons? or am i right to some extent?
yeah i doubt i'll get any answers so just insult me best you can
because it's trash
@pikun007 that's a wild take lmao |
Nov 15, 8:35 PM
#39
Reply to Yosakusan
Simple answer is because this is more of an action arc which is not Re zero's strong point. If u can just casually enjoy this arc for what it is, the next arc should give you what you want.
@Yosakusan dope, i'm hyped then |
Nov 15, 8:37 PM
#40
Reply to Hdjwsiisiaooaoox
I felt this way for the first few episodes, but then i watched them back together and I realized that watching this show weekly is not the best way to watch it. The reality is that this show has never had great pacing, mostly because its a very dense light novel and things are bound to be cut which can mess with the intended pacing of the series. I strongly disagree with your character analysis with Garf and Emilia and youre not considering that Garf is still a child and Emilia has always been a bit airheaded. Also the isolationism aspect of the show is not permanently gone, its gonna come back harder than ever for the second part of season 3 (eps 17-38)
@Hdjwsiisiaooaoox wait, they are doing a second part? if you've got some definitive info please dump it cause i've been lost also yeah what i said about emilia and garf was lazy; i explain myself more in my other comments |
Nov 15, 8:40 PM
#41
Reply to xZabuzax
I'm enjoying this season but there is nothing peak about it yet, IMHO, the peak in Re:Zero so far is S1 with that beautiful backstory and resolution of Wilhelm & Theresia, that backstory made me cry, and the other peak moment was in S2 when Subaru was telling Beatrice to choose him and grab his hand, I also shed a couple of tears there, so far this season doesn't have any of it but that's ok, we are in episode 7, the peak moment will probably happen later.
So yeah, this season is nice so far and I'm enjoying it, but there is nothing peak about it yet, the speech in the latest episode was supposed to be the peak moment but for me it wasn't, it was just a nice speech and nothing else, nothing peak about it.
So yeah, this season is nice so far and I'm enjoying it, but there is nothing peak about it yet, the speech in the latest episode was supposed to be the peak moment but for me it wasn't, it was just a nice speech and nothing else, nothing peak about it.
@xZabuzax i literally agree with everything you just said. the white whale arc (or whatever it's called) in s1 was my favorite part, aside from the rem and subaru scene in episode 18. and yeah the beatrice scene at the end of s2 was so good it's crazy. beatrice the goat frfr |
Nov 15, 8:41 PM
#42
Reply to razisgosu
I personally liked when Subaru was figuring things out slowly and finding out what worked and needed to be done to overcome his obstacles, lots of returning by death. This season hasn't had that. You could be disliking it for similar reasons. Not to say I'm disliking it, but I do miss that aspect.
@razisgosu exactly my thoughts |
Nov 15, 8:42 PM
#43
Reply to Rinrinka
Despite the cringey Subaru speech on the latest episode. Overall Season 3 is much better than that boring Season 2 imo.
Of course Season 1 was still the best among the three.
As for why you don't enjoy s3 that much, maybe it's the weird pacing.
Of course Season 1 was still the best among the three.
As for why you don't enjoy s3 that much, maybe it's the weird pacing.
@Rinrinka yeah i agree with everything except that i no longer think s2 is boring. i did on my first watch, but after rewatching, i loved it a lot more than i initially did (s1 still best tho) |
Nov 15, 9:09 PM
#44
Reply to KaijiKey
@Nafis_Syed alright alright! this is the kind of response i expected
yeah i was just being lazy when i called emilia an npc; i didn't take the time to better elaborate. basically, i just feel like she's less expressive this season? like i get that her overcoming her emotions is character development, but it is a bit jarring when i'm used to her demeanor in the earlier seasons and now she's like super confident. also i'm not saying i hate strong women; crusch is dope as hell
with garf, i just miss the sort of gruff attitude he had in s2. looking up to subaru is cool and all and i love their dynamic, but it feels like he's sort of done the opposite of emilia and completely given in to his emotions. i'm not saying i hate emotional guys either.
also i'm pretty sure i never posed any arguments in my first post...? idk maybe it was interpreted as one
yeah i was just being lazy when i called emilia an npc; i didn't take the time to better elaborate. basically, i just feel like she's less expressive this season? like i get that her overcoming her emotions is character development, but it is a bit jarring when i'm used to her demeanor in the earlier seasons and now she's like super confident. also i'm not saying i hate strong women; crusch is dope as hell
with garf, i just miss the sort of gruff attitude he had in s2. looking up to subaru is cool and all and i love their dynamic, but it feels like he's sort of done the opposite of emilia and completely given in to his emotions. i'm not saying i hate emotional guys either.
also i'm pretty sure i never posed any arguments in my first post...? idk maybe it was interpreted as one
@KaijiKey Alright, now that I see you have elaborated on it further, her becoming confident was essentially her character arc from S2. Her mannerisms became more mature per se, so the ditziness you saw before is lessened to an extent, although she will make up for it in cour 2 and arc 6 during certain character moments. As for Garf, he is a 15-year-old kid in heart and mind, so he is easy to influence he found a role model in the form of Subaru, so he imprinted on him completely like that of a younger brother idolising his older brother for being someone amazing. As for your initial post, they had the feel of an argument that lacked any substance, so it did feel like you were saying stuff to criticise it without any further elaboration to back it up per se. So all in all, please continue watching my dude, the best and what you loved in S1-2 will most certainly come in S3 (mainly for Arc 6, which I know people will love cuz of what it explored thematically about the series). If you have any other questions, feel free to message me and I hope my response addressed what you had in mind boss. |
Nov 15, 9:10 PM
#45
AbraxusFiran said: I'm with you on at least some of that. Something has been feeling off, and I don't know what it is. I've thought maybe it's weird pacing to me? I should be hyped this season but I ain't (yet). The characters have been weirdly optimistic and smiling (screenplay fumble?) all the time on screen. It really hides the stakes, but we know it exists. Every single episode this season, except 5 which was a masterpiece throughout, has felt funny at the beginning and then got better towards the end. Then having time for casual chit-chat during an enemy invasion seems super dull ig. |
Nov 15, 9:11 PM
#46
arc 5 is on a slightly different approach. it is not the only arc like this. Great for the fights, not so much for what we have had until now to shape the series. it has some good peaks, and fights. that's mostly it. far from something that disappoints, but yeah, a bit of something different. the side stories complete it well though. I mean, without the Wilhelm one you are practically skipping main events(even if they are side stories), same with all tbh though the Crusch one is already overdue. I doubt they will animate the side tho so it is a great time to read on it. |
Nov 15, 9:15 PM
#47
Laplace_kun said: @Kitsune_089 vibe check test!! What's your take on the scene where Subaru narrates the blue and red oni story in S1? Absolutely peak direction |
Nov 15, 9:16 PM
#48
Reply to KaijiKey
@Hdjwsiisiaooaoox
wait, they are doing a second part? if you've got some definitive info please dump it cause i've been lost
also yeah what i said about emilia and garf was lazy; i explain myself more in my other comments
wait, they are doing a second part? if you've got some definitive info please dump it cause i've been lost
also yeah what i said about emilia and garf was lazy; i explain myself more in my other comments
@KaijiKey the most reliable leaker for the Re Zero anime on twitter has said that a total of 38 episodes are part of the planned production right now. Season 3 as it currently stands will be episodes 1-16 and there will likely be an official announcement for the remaining 22 episodes in the spring. Whether that will be season 3 or renamed to season 4 is up in the air. However, we know that the original plan was to have a 38 episode season 3 as evidenced by some of the older promotional artwork depicting characters that wont be in these first 16 episodes (look for the re zero season 3 image with the mess of characters on it. lots of characters on there that dont show up until the next arc) |
Nov 15, 9:35 PM
#49
@KaijiKey hell yeah another one ??? (i have no clue how to do that quote thing so I'm just gonna go in order lol) just do this: write quote in square brackets before and after the lines [...quote] (line here) [.../...quote] without the dots! honestly i was just joking; my friend and i just like to glaze rezero like crazy Come on man, 80% of the threads here are so... useless that's my fault, i worded that poorly. s1 is my favorite season If it is, then I can't really resonate with how you expect things. Because S1 was nothing too special for me, and you would'nt see me much in these forums if Re:Zero stayed in S1 quality. Apparently you enjoyed S2 after a rewatch, so maybe you know the therapy? it just felt like those first deaths didn't really serve much of a purpose. It did tho? It is the first scenario where RbD loop is extremely short, and requires extremely fast decision making from Subaru.i love the concept of all of them being present, but for such a short, fast-paced season, it just feels weird. A 19 episode length season is pretty big? Doesn't S1 second half have more characters peppered in within lesser amount episodes? Last two episodes were pretty slow paced too. like, if there's gonna be a lot of characters in the season, i want to have the time for them to actually develop. Reinhard, Garfiel, Emilia, Wilhelm, Mimi, Anastasia and so on have already shown newer character traits and few of them have been actively developing in their limited screentime. Even most of the newer villains which are made mostly to be hated have been given ample time and animation to display their psyche. And it's not like the cast is getting bigger: there are still 9 episodes left! the sheer volume of characters this season though has honestly led me to grow less attached to some of them as i know that there's not gonna be time for proper development and most of them are only there to give subaru some extra firepower. What makes you think it's all about subaru? Just because he takes the lead means that all that matters is his situation? I can now understand why you have a particular definition of "stakes". Look at Crusch and Mimi's condition. Do you feel they got injured just to give Subaru some firepower? Or were they were brave fighters in their own right? yeah i said in another comment that i was kinda just lazy when talking about emilia and garf. i think their screentime has been great so far, it's just the switch-up from season 2 that's thrown me off a bit. Well, when I read this arc in the WN, it also threw me off quite a bit. Neither due to its nature nor that I am coming fresh from some of the best Re: Zero content, but the haphazard writing. Lots of repetetive narration, unnecessary characters getting too many lines and pacing inconsistency. However, the LN fixes most of these problems, and the anime adapts the LN. So you are already watching the better version of the story that shouldn't alienate you too much. man, I'm just making shit up. every manga reader i've talked to has said this arc is peak and i know as a fact that anime fans just get tilted over literally anything... cause i'm one too "peak", "mid", "trash", even "boring", "goated" etc are all vague and highly subjective terms that mostly fit the vocabulary of moody teenagers. Should'nt attach high price tags to them in the first place. So enjoy? Or, not. Because you like Re:Zero you can read the novels anytime you want. Especially the EX volumes which fleshes out some of the characters in this season. If you have doubts, you can ask anytime. Wait for the season to end, and then maybe you can form your opinions concretely? You don't have any pressure here, you are just an audience and Re:Zero is just another franchise. |
Laplace_kunNov 15, 9:39 PM
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
Nov 15, 9:42 PM
#50
Reply to CreepHazard
Laplace_kun said:
@Kitsune_089 vibe check test!!
What's your take on the scene where Subaru narrates the blue and red oni story in S1?
@Kitsune_089 vibe check test!!
What's your take on the scene where Subaru narrates the blue and red oni story in S1?
Absolutely peak direction
@CreepHazard vibe check passed XD |
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
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