Is that actually it?

IhnalakoKaina said:
After parsing through the discussion for episode 7 I couldn't help but notice how so many people are claiming it to be the high point of the story, it's peak even.

This is by no means me saying that the episode was bad. I just simply have a hard time believing that out of the 50+ episodes so far, and the many more to come, this one is the best we'll ever see.

I suppose that the speech he gave is the reason so many people are taken by this episode, in which case I disagree completely. It wasn't the most corny and embarrassing thing I've seen out of this show, which is a high bar to clear, but when it comes to inspiring, heroic, memorable speeches... Sit and learn Churchill? Independence Day? Again, don't misunderstand me, it wasn't an awful speech, but... Really?

I guess I just want to know if it is a vocal minority making a fuss about an ok episode or if I really can't expect anything better from here on out.

MaouHero said:
Replying here is almost always a waste of time, but here we go.
For me, the speech is indeed one of the best moments in the series, not just because of the speech itself but for everything it represents. It shows Subaru's entire evolution, even in the eyes of others, and his emergence as a hero.
If you consider the main focus of the episode 'corny and embarrassing,' then yes, you think it was bad.

Anyway, I know there are those who just want visceral scenes and those who just want attention.

IhnalakoKaina said:

The way you put that makes it seem like there are 2 types of people; those who want gore and then others who want attention, which would mean I want gore and you want attention. I don't like gore though so no.

All because I thought the speech was nothing special. And the rebuttal of course is: "you didn't get it. It was meant to represent the blah blah blah". I do get it, there's no way anybody didn't, and still I think that it wasn't the memorable and iconic moment that I see so many of you making it out to be.

It's far below ep 18 of the first season, and ep 4 and 8 of season 2 part 1. Those convey a whole lot more than ep 7 of season 3, and there's many more in between, such as the discussions with roswaal, the persuading of betty, ep 1 of season 2 part 2 (that's the one ep 7 most compares to and still cannot beat)...

Sammycranel said:

cook him man this episode was terrible and i hate how everyone is jerking subaru off all of a sudden like every shonen mc ever

Lavi_kun said:
@Laplace_kun nah they don't have life they will be making a hell to other fans enjoying their show until cour 2 starts,it's endless cycle of not only MALers but fir any community sadly.

Lavi_kun said:
Ngl I don't get why this ssn is getting more shitty threads than compared to previous season ones.

From the moment this season started,it was focusing on plot and trying to build a scenario for all the characters to get the shine, in novel garfiel moment was the first one where the plot gets a Lil slow and focuses on a certain character however in anime it was as fast as rest of the thing happening while this episode takes its time, slows the stuff happening in this season and focuses on the two big characters that is emilia and Subaru who have came so far, if it would be season 1 subaru than he wouldn't be asking others and would simply go by himself and make a clown of it and messes the situation even more but he asked other and others trusted subaru this time and pushed him to stand in front(mentioned in this season ending visual as well).
Then there is emilia scene where she chooses her words very wisely,like she didn't asked for help because she believes that subaru will indeed save her instead she helped him. Al, who is still mysterious for anime only finally got his time to present his character(wouldn't go in details to avoid spoiling his interesting character).
The speech isn't the special part,it's the build up that how he decided to give speech with the trust or faith of others and he did it splendidly.

That's make this episode the first one to show the great character writing, which is the soul of this show.

Im_Stuff said:
A bunch of people are already saying it but I'll say it anyway. The speech wasn't meant to be taken as is. It's a reflection of Subaru's journey, in a way that wasn't only context appropriate, but was also something only he could have done, when throughout the whole anime, Subaru was little more than moral support.

So yeah, all that put together, this might rank among the best speeches in all of anime.

Laplace_kun said:

Is this peak cringiness? Some guy wants some "hey guys you feel what I feel? guuuyyyyysss??? 🥺👉👈" and wants to build their own echo chamber. They are so shameless they don't even include the episode title in the post title, because attention in forums is all they need to function as an anime watcher. Does no proper criticism, draws comparison with unrelated common popular movie speeches, rants about some other episodes which they found to be more important to them. And most importantly, the entire basis of this post is because some unknown MAL strangers apparently hyped something.

Forget about jerking off to Subaru, you jerking off to this dude is truly something else. You'll are so cooked.

Lavi_kun said:
@Laplace_kun nah they don't have life they will be making a hell to other fans enjoying their show until cour 2 starts,it's endless cycle of not only MALers but fir any community sadly.

@Laplace_kun that's so true.

echo chamber? I sure succeeded at that, didn't I?

With people like you insulting me over me saying "hey, why are people so taken by this episode?" Taking an unpopular position that's sure to bring fanatical people over to roast me over the coals because I didn't find this as divine and perfect as they did...

I mentioned the episodes that I think are actually deserving of hype

and pointed to 2 of the most popular speeches that would qualify too,

If I go in hard with 4 paragraphs of why the speech was nothing special and how the characters' showcase and roles weren't either, then it's an essay, a mindless rant. You can't win like this.

Lavi_kun said:
That's make this episode the first one to show the great character writing, which is the soul of this show.

Laplace_kun said:
@IhnalakoKaina
Well congratulations, truth has come out.It's the same stance as "unpopular is cool", you literally made a post without mentioning the episode title, mentioning any valid cause for not enjoying except "my feelz" and now go defensive over "insults". Because apparently some MAL strangers liking something made you feel insecure. Please, you have no excuse.

Laplace_kun said:

Isn't a valid argument in any sense.

Is another stupid textpadding, because you never considered what the speech was about. Were those two speeches against people brainwashed by complex means? Were they by ordinary people? Were they out-of-script? If they were, did they feel organic?

Laplace_kun said:
1. A very well set-up scenario where nobody present can be valid candidates for the speech.

Laplace_kun said:
2. Subaru has made (dumb) proclamations earlier self-centered around his fragile ego and Emilia obsession. Aptly referenced by this episode.

3. Each flashback where Subaru had the worst and best moments of his life show themselves as they made him who he is now.

Laplace_kun said:
4. Starts the speech in a nervous and deflated manner in order to sync with the downtrodden mood of the people affected by Wrath.

5. Lifts from that stage with an uplifting tone that is only concerned about the present state (who are you looking at?), not something out of reach.

6. Ends in a proclamation vastly different from 2 but still carrying similar language. It also carries the weight of an actual achievement. Not empty ego.

Laplace_kun said:
7. The others' reaction was a nice touch in the anime, each of them have different meanings. Can write 10 lines on that. But most importantly, Al's reaction. Is he jealous? Is Subaru's stance naive to him?

8. The very fact that a broken man can be hope for others. And that while "hero" is a vague thing, it is something people often want in dark times. Subaru did find his heroes. Now he's paying that back poetically.

9. Emilia's trust in her knight and Garfiel's respect are something attained with lot of effort - their presence in the scene adds to the catharsis.

10. On the flip side, Julius, who was witness to Subaru's weakest moments - was also present, drawing a full circle.

Laplace_kun said:
11. Significant things happen in the background, like Heinkel escaping. But the speech draws your attention too much to notice that.

Laplace_kun said:
But you can't - you literally admit it will be a mindless rant. That is why you got triggered with my comment that wasn't even directly addressed to you and still held back any valid reasons. Win what? I am not even playing this stupid game you are losing against yourself.

Laplace_kun said:
If you had true intentions to understand the greatness of this episode (or lack of it), your approach would have been vastly different.

It's so good to see that you can read sarcasm. btw, that was sarcasm too.

because there's people like you absolutely lambasting me for daring to post something that is not worshipping the latest re zero episode.

And tell me, between a guy making a thread nicely asking for people's opinions fully expecting the hardcore fans to make an appearance to denigrate whoever doesn't agree with them, and the hardcore fans appearing to denigrate whoever doesn't agree with them; who's the insecure one?

Not being defensive, you can say whatever you want, but then you might want to remove the clown makeup before going to bed, is all I'm saying.

How good the set up is is irrelevant to what happens afterwards.

Considering for a moment that the speech was not good, does that change how good it was set up despite it failing?

Still, the setup consisted of what we already knew from the past 2 episodes, plus what mere moments after the scene started anybody paying attention could easily surmise; the fact that subaru would be the one giving the speech.

If you want a good setup, Season 2 Part 1 episode 8, when subaru realizes that he can tell echidna about return by death... THAT is a good setup into a very emotional, impressive scene.

How good the set up is is irrelevant to what happens afterwards.

Flashbacks and redundancy are good now?

Sounds like an extention of your first point, made into 2 more points.

Is this the part you think I didn't get, I wonder? This could be done with a simple question: What could subaru have said differently that would have made the speech not great? He starts it at 19:21 by being the usual clown. I don't know where you got the deflated tone at the start, when that was at the middle of the speech 20:12, and he goes in and out of it. This is followed by some self depricating drivel at 20:41 that you claim as matter of fact was bring himself down to their level of morale, but I don't agree. He keeps going about how he's WITH people who are better than him but he's the one talking. How he can't motivate them, he can't lead them. All suppposedly in a bid to make everyone sympathize with him up until the point at 21:55 where he says he'll fight regardless, and goes on from there, redundantly, repeating himself with different words until the end.

I wouldn't buy that at my darkest hour.

But all we hear from him is platitudes of you're not alone, there's people fighting for you, don't look down, and a couple of references to a few select who would get what he's talking about.

In so many words: It was not a speech for the people of the city, but for the audience of the show.

Again, stuff we already knew.

Their awe, pride and respect for him, it has been revealed and portrayed before.

Again, I referenced episode 1 of season 2 part 2 to indicate how something (not exactly) like this had been done before and better.

You simply cannot tolerate the fact that someone does not believe that ep7 of the 3rd season of rezero is a brilliant, amazing episode that belongs in the top 5 list of all rezero episodes.

You've been nothing but toxic.

you'd have begun by explaining that.

But it seems to me like you're a bit insecure about how you feel about this episode, so whenever you see someone casting a shadow of a doubt on "it's greatness", you get all salty and attack them and dismiss their opinion as trolling or uneducated.

Insane. Your counterarguments are completely disregarding reality.

I didn't ignore the guy who said you were cooked, kicking off your barrage. I said I didn't agree with him. What do you expect me to do? Ban him?

What does that have to do with me to begin with? So because someone else was toxic towards you, you can be toxic towards me?

You keep invoking this echo chamber bs, this insecurity dumbassery. At this point, it seems like projection from you mate.

I've said many times how I thought the episode was fine.

Was it the "vocal minority" characterization that hurt you?

Multiple people were able to take that in and respond cordially and kindly.

You and the other kun guy are the only 2 madmen raising hell on earth over this shit. You're the ones trying to make this an echo chamber in which nobody ever speaks out against you and what you believe to be true.

the fuck would I bother with an unhinged fanatic like you,

"hey, is this really it or can I expect better from the upcoming episodes?"

Anything I could have said would have only served to galvanize you even more.

You speak of being honest with oneself. Well, despite being so apparently concerned with the state of the community, we could take a vote to determine, out of everyone here, who's the one who has most discouraged discussion.

I'd wager that you, with your condescending, reactionary attitude would come out on top on that one.

So, according to everything you've said so far, to make a thread you have to include in the title: The title of the episode to discuss, the issue to discuss about it, and the opinion of the poster. Said opinion must be thoroughly laid out, not a single point left to interpretation, and there cannot be comparisons to unrelated media or references to other scenes or episodes of the same show. But most importantly, it must be something @Laplace_kun finds interesting, Sam Harris wannabe that you are.

Mate, go piss off a rope.

IhnalakoKaina said:
think all that is fine, very well done indeed, but the point is how the episode discussion is all about the speech, how the speech was peak, how this is Subaru's high point, and so on.

I'm just not feeling it, and although it was a fine episode, I just don't see where all the hype comes from.