[Oshi No Ko]
| WARNING: Episode 11 Spoilers Ahead __________________________________ In episode 11, they reveal an interesting situation where we know Aqua's father is indeed alive, Aqua thinks he's dead, but Akane realizes that he's likely alive. This situation brings about 2 interesting questions:
The story probably won't take much time to resolve these points, and I would imagine he finds out by the end of this season or the beginning of the next (could totally be wrong about this, but this seems most likely). But I think it's interesting to imagine a scenario where these points aren't resolved quickly. |
Quadruple_OiSep 22, 11:06 PM
| 1) I think Akane should tell Aqua immediately. I know it's very unhealthy for him but still it would keep him on guard. If he gives up now but finds out later anyway it just means lost time. And she can be close to Aqua if she does that. If I am in her position I would definitely tell him next day. 2) Aqua has spend 14 years of seeking revenge it would be hard to just omit that past even if he has family. Who knows what this guy will do he doesn't seem to be upto any good. If anything happens to his loved ones he will go spiralling down. He will probably go grab a milk and spend his rest of his life in pursuit of his revenge. Atleast from current pov to him Ai>>>> anyone (which isn't wrong persay). |
Reply to Rutaberry
1. Akane has already devoted herself to helping Aqua in any way she could, to be of “use” to him. She is also extremely intuitive and likely understands that he is having an identity crisis, his reason for living (revenge) suddenly proofing away, left with no purpose.
I think she helps him realize the loophole so he has his drive again (toxic as it may be). On a more selfish level, Aqua reaffirming his revenge mission means he could still use Akane, and therefore she can continue to stand by him and be of “use”.
2. The guilt would do a number on him, oh boy. I can picture him finding out the truth of his father being alive upon his return from the trip. How dare he relax? How dare he selfishly enjoy time with a girl he likes? How dare he move on while Ai’s killer lives?
We saw the manifestation of his survivor’s guilt while he was enjoying acting. If he spent 10 years enjoying life, falling in love and starting a family, moving on… he would spiral once he connected the dots.
I think she helps him realize the loophole so he has his drive again (toxic as it may be). On a more selfish level, Aqua reaffirming his revenge mission means he could still use Akane, and therefore she can continue to stand by him and be of “use”.
2. The guilt would do a number on him, oh boy. I can picture him finding out the truth of his father being alive upon his return from the trip. How dare he relax? How dare he selfishly enjoy time with a girl he likes? How dare he move on while Ai’s killer lives?
We saw the manifestation of his survivor’s guilt while he was enjoying acting. If he spent 10 years enjoying life, falling in love and starting a family, moving on… he would spiral once he connected the dots.
Rutaberry said: Hmm, that's an interesting interpretation. Most people around him are realizing that he's more upbeat and have liked this "new Aqua", so I don't think he's undergoing an identity crisis, nor does he himself think that. It's moreso exploring his options. But I can see a world where Akane would interpret it like that.She is also extremely intuitive and likely understands that he is having an identity crisis, his reason for living (revenge) suddenly proofing away, left with no purpose. Rutaberry said: Ah, that's true, it would give him a reason to stick onto her. Although, I'm not entirely sure about her convictions because she's still unsure about her romantic feelings. I guess she still feels grateful for saving her life, and wants to continue being his friend.I think she helps him realize the loophole so he has his drive again (toxic as it may be). On a more selfish level, Aqua reaffirming his revenge mission means he could still use Akane, and therefore she can continue to stand by him and be of “use”. And yeah, the PTSD will be crazy. I've always thought it was interesting how much Aqua separates his past life and the "new Aqua" with his own interests in this life. So I view the moments where enjoys acting as a battle between these 2 entities. Because the "new Aqua" is so underdeveloped, his past life wins each time. But if he is actually able to build upon this new persona and develop it, I would give it some chance, especially with how easily he convinced himself that his father is actually dead. |
Reply to WaterMage
1) I think Akane should tell Aqua immediately. I know it's very unhealthy for him but still it would keep him on guard. If he gives up now but finds out later anyway it just means lost time. And she can be close to Aqua if she does that. If I am in her position I would definitely tell him next day.
2) Aqua has spend 14 years of seeking revenge it would be hard to just omit that past even if he has family. Who knows what this guy will do he doesn't seem to be upto any good. If anything happens to his loved ones he will go spiralling down. He will probably go grab a milk and spend his rest of his life in pursuit of his revenge. Atleast from current pov to him Ai>>>> anyone (which isn't wrong persay).
2) Aqua has spend 14 years of seeking revenge it would be hard to just omit that past even if he has family. Who knows what this guy will do he doesn't seem to be upto any good. If anything happens to his loved ones he will go spiralling down. He will probably go grab a milk and spend his rest of his life in pursuit of his revenge. Atleast from current pov to him Ai>>>> anyone (which isn't wrong persay).
| @WaterMage When bro leaves for milk while his wife is sick and his 5 year old daughter sees her mother die after her father left for weeks. I can see the start of a new revenge story. On the other hand tho, if Akane is his wife then she would go out for milk, too. |
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@WaterMage
When bro leaves for milk while his wife is sick and his 5 year old daughter sees her mother die after her father left for weeks. I can see the start of a new revenge story. On the other hand tho, if Akane is his wife then she would go out for milk, too.
When bro leaves for milk while his wife is sick and his 5 year old daughter sees her mother die after her father left for weeks. I can see the start of a new revenge story. On the other hand tho, if Akane is his wife then she would go out for milk, too.
| @Quadruple_Oi sounds like Kill Bill sequel which was never made. Ah Akane as his wife would just straight up ditch the kid but for Kana, poor girl will suffer in pain sad. Atleast if it's Ruby there shouldn't be worries about Kids (right?). |
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@Quadruple_Oi sounds like Kill Bill sequel which was never made.
Ah Akane as his wife would just straight up ditch the kid but for Kana, poor girl will suffer in pain sad.
Atleast if it's Ruby there shouldn't be worries about Kids (right?).
Ah Akane as his wife would just straight up ditch the kid but for Kana, poor girl will suffer in pain sad.
Atleast if it's Ruby there shouldn't be worries about Kids (right?).
| @WaterMage Just thinking about it, I feel like Kana wouldn't be that great of a mother given her personality and how self-centered she is. I think she would feel pretty bounded by having children, but having children could be the trigger to soften her up a bit. With how seriously Akane takes things, she would probably fill the role of a mother pretty well even if she doesn't build the same attachments (which would make it even worse if she ditches). If her psycho personality really comes out tho, she could end up using her children as experiments to explore their psyche. I don't think she would put them in harms way, but she would definitely be tempted by it. |
| Akane is totally aware that Aqua was just using her. I'm pretty sure that her resolution will be something egoistic like: "He was going to break with me anyway, so if he went back to his maniac revenge focus, i can be useful to him again" (BUT not that straight, otherwise audience will dislike her) |
Rob7Sep 23, 9:20 AM
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| At this point Kana and Akane represent 2 opposite ways for Aqua: - Akane, the route of revenge and self-destruction. - Kana, the route of a silly and innocent teenage life. As these characters sadly are poor puppets in the hands of a sadistic author, Aqua will keep intercalating the both ways, until he finally finds the incest route with Ruby. I'm not a manga reader, but it is pretty clear. And i guess that this series will never become anything near a wholesome story nor ending... 🙁 |
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Reply to Quadruple_Oi
@WaterMage
Just thinking about it, I feel like Kana wouldn't be that great of a mother given her personality and how self-centered she is. I think she would feel pretty bounded by having children, but having children could be the trigger to soften her up a bit. With how seriously Akane takes things, she would probably fill the role of a mother pretty well even if she doesn't build the same attachments (which would make it even worse if she ditches). If her psycho personality really comes out tho, she could end up using her children as experiments to explore their psyche. I don't think she would put them in harms way, but she would definitely be tempted by it.
Just thinking about it, I feel like Kana wouldn't be that great of a mother given her personality and how self-centered she is. I think she would feel pretty bounded by having children, but having children could be the trigger to soften her up a bit. With how seriously Akane takes things, she would probably fill the role of a mother pretty well even if she doesn't build the same attachments (which would make it even worse if she ditches). If her psycho personality really comes out tho, she could end up using her children as experiments to explore their psyche. I don't think she would put them in harms way, but she would definitely be tempted by it.
| @Quadruple_Oi if anything Kana loves Aqua genuinely so he will do same for their children. Also she was mistreated by her mother that actually motivates her to be better than her. Akane how twisted will do the same. I don't think shw will use her children for selfish means. Just a biased guess.. I mean vast majority of women does that and I don't think anyone in OnK is that bad to mistreat or neglect their children. This anime literally has 2 best mothers in Miyako and Ai. |
Reply to Rob7
At this point Kana and Akane represent 2 opposite ways for Aqua:
- Akane, the route of revenge and self-destruction.
- Kana, the route of a silly and innocent teenage life.
As these characters sadly are poor puppets in the hands of a sadistic author, Aqua will keep intercalating the both ways, until he finally finds the incest route with Ruby.
I'm not a manga reader, but it is pretty clear. And i guess that this series will never become anything near a wholesome story nor ending... 🙁
- Akane, the route of revenge and self-destruction.
- Kana, the route of a silly and innocent teenage life.
As these characters sadly are poor puppets in the hands of a sadistic author, Aqua will keep intercalating the both ways, until he finally finds the incest route with Ruby.
I'm not a manga reader, but it is pretty clear. And i guess that this series will never become anything near a wholesome story nor ending... 🙁
| @Rob7 Rob7 said: I'm not a manga reader, but it is pretty clear. And i guess that this series will never become anything near a wholesome story nor ending... 🙁 Maybe I am living in delulu land that's why I am still hoping for a good ending. I don't think Wincest route will happen. More possibility of Aqua being alone forever. Kaguya sama had the most wholesome ending possible so I am still hoping Oshi No Ko will be similar. |
Reply to Rob7
At this point Kana and Akane represent 2 opposite ways for Aqua:
- Akane, the route of revenge and self-destruction.
- Kana, the route of a silly and innocent teenage life.
As these characters sadly are poor puppets in the hands of a sadistic author, Aqua will keep intercalating the both ways, until he finally finds the incest route with Ruby.
I'm not a manga reader, but it is pretty clear. And i guess that this series will never become anything near a wholesome story nor ending... 🙁
- Akane, the route of revenge and self-destruction.
- Kana, the route of a silly and innocent teenage life.
As these characters sadly are poor puppets in the hands of a sadistic author, Aqua will keep intercalating the both ways, until he finally finds the incest route with Ruby.
I'm not a manga reader, but it is pretty clear. And i guess that this series will never become anything near a wholesome story nor ending... 🙁
Rob7 said: At this point Kana and Akane represent 2 opposite ways for Aqua: - Akane, the route of revenge and self-destruction. - Kana, the route of a silly and innocent teenage life. Yep, this seems to be very heavily coded in their interactions. Not just the date in ep 11, but in general. The catch-ball with Kana that explored Aqua's feelings as a teenage boy, and Aqua getting invested into acting through Sweet Today with Kana are both about him exploring his life as a new person. Akane turning into Ai, their fake relationship, learning about his secret motives all lead back into building the revenge story. I do feel like Akane's side is a little forced as to why she feels the need to stay deeply connected to Aqua despite not being sure of her feelings yet. It would also be quite surprising if they didn't at least heavily explore the incest route considering how we know Ruby still feels very strongly about Aqua's past self. The Akane route feels doomed simply because their relationship was a facade and Aqua is only attracted to her Ai persona, and he doesn't seem to be responding to any of Kana's advances either. The whole Akane vs Ruby thing seems pretty cope in general. His connection with Ruby's past self was much stronger, so that seems the most likely. I would honestly prefer the story to just have a tragic ending and him choosing none, but the vibe feels too lighthearted for them to commit with a fully bad ending. At least with how things are going so far. WaterMage said: I don't think they will actually do anything messed up. If anything, Kana might choose not to have children if she thinks they would drag her down, but if she chooses to have them she wouldn't be neglectful. With Akane however, I think her ability to see into the minds of the others would be impossible to ignore for her. Not to say she would do something malicious, but she would be very thorough and calculating when raising them to ensure they turn out a certain way. I've read that some parents treat their children as life-long projects that gradually gains its own will, which is what Akane would think of it.I mean vast majority of women does that and I don't think anyone in OnK is that bad to mistreat or neglect their children. |
Quadruple_OiSep 23, 10:19 AM
Quadruple_Oi said: I like females, so I would leave Aqua to Ruby, and go for Kana.If you were in Akane's position However, if Akane would logically follow her yandere self interests, then she would first keep it a secret from Aqua and try to become his waifu including kids. If that doesn't work, then she would find his father on her own, get a baby from him because he's "half-Aqua" and then kill him before she gets killed. |
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Rob7 said:
At this point Kana and Akane represent 2 opposite ways for Aqua:
- Akane, the route of revenge and self-destruction.
- Kana, the route of a silly and innocent teenage life.
At this point Kana and Akane represent 2 opposite ways for Aqua:
- Akane, the route of revenge and self-destruction.
- Kana, the route of a silly and innocent teenage life.
Yep, this seems to be very heavily coded in their interactions. Not just the date in ep 11, but in general. The catch-ball with Kana that explored Aqua's feelings as a teenage boy, and Aqua getting invested into acting through Sweet Today with Kana are both about him exploring his life as a new person. Akane turning into Ai, their fake relationship, learning about his secret motives all lead back into building the revenge story. I do feel like Akane's side is a little forced as to why she feels the need to stay deeply connected to Aqua despite not being sure of her feelings yet.
It would also be quite surprising if they didn't at least heavily explore the incest route considering how we know Ruby still feels very strongly about Aqua's past self. The Akane route feels doomed simply because their relationship was a facade and Aqua is only attracted to her Ai persona, and he doesn't seem to be responding to any of Kana's advances either. The whole Akane vs Ruby thing seems pretty cope in general. His connection with Ruby's past self was much stronger, so that seems the most likely. I would honestly prefer the story to just have a tragic ending and him choosing none, but the vibe feels too lighthearted for them to commit with a fully bad ending. At least with how things are going so far.
WaterMage said:
I mean vast majority of women does that and I don't think anyone in OnK is that bad to mistreat or neglect their children.
I don't think they will actually do anything messed up. If anything, Kana might choose not to have children if she thinks they would drag her down, but if she chooses to have them she wouldn't be neglectful. With Akane however, I think her ability to see into the minds of the others would be impossible to ignore for her. Not to say she would do something malicious, but she would be very thorough and calculating when raising them to ensure they turn out a certain way. I've read that some parents treat their children as life-long projects that gradually gains its own will, which is what Akane would think of it.I mean vast majority of women does that and I don't think anyone in OnK is that bad to mistreat or neglect their children.
Quadruple_Oi said: he doesn't seem to be responding to any of Kana's advances either. I think last episode contradicts it. Aqua is generally aware of it and he entertained those by that date. He actually tried to make her happy as well. I think if anyone CURRENTLY he is attracted only to her. Quadruple_Oi said: Ruby's past self was much stronger, so that seems the most likely. I would honestly prefer the story to just have a tragic ending and him choosing none Well there's the whole thing of twins so however likely there's always that roadblock. I wanted that option explored and they did, I won't mind if it happens but prefer it doesn't. Kana and Akane are the more realistic options. Also don't talk about wanting tragic ending however unlikely I would love my fav anime end happily🥲. Quadruple_Oi said: she would be very thorough and calculating when raising them to ensure they turn out a certain way. People will change its one thing calculating peoples attributes and other is raising own child. Well it gonna depend how she handles this Aqua situation if she chose to "use" him (again very unlikely imo). It's very hypothetical but Akane is genuinely very pure (despite her other side) to control her own child. |
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Quadruple_Oi said:
he doesn't seem to be responding to any of Kana's advances either.
he doesn't seem to be responding to any of Kana's advances either.
I think last episode contradicts it. Aqua is generally aware of it and he entertained those by that date. He actually tried to make her happy as well. I think if anyone CURRENTLY he is attracted only to her.
Quadruple_Oi said:
Ruby's past self was much stronger, so that seems the most likely. I would honestly prefer the story to just have a tragic ending and him choosing none
Ruby's past self was much stronger, so that seems the most likely. I would honestly prefer the story to just have a tragic ending and him choosing none
Well there's the whole thing of twins so however likely there's always that roadblock. I wanted that option explored and they did, I won't mind if it happens but prefer it doesn't. Kana and Akane are the more realistic options.
Also don't talk about wanting tragic ending however unlikely I would love my fav anime end happily🥲.
Quadruple_Oi said:
she would be very thorough and calculating when raising them to ensure they turn out a certain way.
she would be very thorough and calculating when raising them to ensure they turn out a certain way.
People will change its one thing calculating peoples attributes and other is raising own child. Well it gonna depend how she handles this Aqua situation if she chose to "use" him (again very unlikely imo). It's very hypothetical but Akane is genuinely very pure (despite her other side) to control her own child.
WaterMage said: There's a high chance I'm wrong here, but here's my interpretation of the dating situation: He knows Kana likes him, and he knows that Akane doesn't necessarily have those same feelings. Now that he's not worried by revenge, he wants to potentially explore activities that he thinks he should be doing for his age (i.e. dating). So he's now trying to make it work with the person with genuine feelings, and break-up with the person he felt like he was manipulating. What I mean by "not responding to her advances" is that I don't think he's developing actual romantic interest in Kana despite both of their efforts. So even though Aqua currently expresses the most interest in Kana, that interest is not really natural. However, this could just be me misunderstanding Aqua's stoicism, and maybe underneath his feelings for Kana are really growing.I think last episode contradicts it. Aqua is generally aware of it and he entertained those by that date. He actually tried to make her happy as well. I think if anyone CURRENTLY he is attracted only to her. WaterMage said: Pure and calculating are not necessarily mutually-exclusive. Her intentions can be pure, but the way she acts on them can be calculating. This is a really basic example, but "good cop/bad cop parenting" is a technique with pure intentions to teach a child, but it's still manipulative to some degree. It's very hypothetical but Akane is genuinely very pure (despite her other side) to control her own child. |
Quadruple_OiSep 23, 12:34 PM
Reply to Zarutaku
Quadruple_Oi said:
If you were in Akane's position
I like females, so I would leave Aqua to Ruby, and go for Kana.If you were in Akane's position
However, if Akane would logically follow her yandere self interests, then she would first keep it a secret from Aqua and try to become his waifu including kids. If that doesn't work, then she would find his father on her own, get a baby from him because he's "half-Aqua" and then kill him before she gets killed.
Zarutaku said: Bro saw an open ended question, and still gave the correct answer.I like females, so I would leave Aqua to Ruby, and go for Kana. Zarutaku said: For real though, if Akane reveals it early just so Aqua can continue "using" her, they're never going to get into a proper relationship because Aqua will keep thinking of her as a tool. If she wants to get his actual love, then she needs to keep it a secret and play straight. Your Plan B is ingenious tho.However, if Akane would logically follow her yandere self interests, then she would first keep it a secret from Aqua and try to become his waifu including kids. If that doesn't work, then she would find his father on her own, get a baby from him because he's "half-Aqua" and then kill him before she gets killed. |
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Quadruple_Oi said:
WARNING: Episode 11 Spoilers Ahead
__________________________________
In episode 11, they reveal an interesting situation where we know Aqua's father is indeed alive, Aqua thinks he's dead, but Akane realizes that he's likely alive. This situation brings about 2 interesting questions:
The story probably won't take much time to resolve these points, and I would imagine he finds out by the end of this season or the beginning of the next (could totally be wrong about this, but this seems most likely). But I think it's interesting to imagine a scenario where these points aren't resolved quickly.
WARNING: Episode 11 Spoilers Ahead
__________________________________
In episode 11, they reveal an interesting situation where we know Aqua's father is indeed alive, Aqua thinks he's dead, but Akane realizes that he's likely alive. This situation brings about 2 interesting questions:
- If you were in Akane's position, would you let your friend live in the bliss of ignorance with the chance they might find out later and regret it, or would you tell them right away which risks putting them back in a mentally unhealthy state and back in danger? (Edit: This was meant to ask what you would do, but you can predict what Akane would do if you want.)
- In the hypothetical scenario that Aqua takes 10 years to find out that his father is alive, and by that time he has established a lasting relationship with any of the characters in the anime (not specifying to avoid shipping wars), how do you think he'd react and would he still seek revenge?
The story probably won't take much time to resolve these points, and I would imagine he finds out by the end of this season or the beginning of the next (could totally be wrong about this, but this seems most likely). But I think it's interesting to imagine a scenario where these points aren't resolved quickly.
but how did akane figured out that his father is alive and who he is
i didnt understand that part
| @Mubeen3787 I think it's best to figure it out by yourself by looking at the black/white images that Akane saw in episode 11. Here's an explanation alongside the imagery. If you just want to know the answer, then skip to the last line. On the left: A family-of-2. In the middle: The father. On the right: Ai (girl with star eyes) But then suddenly a 5th thing comes in. Let's call it the monster. The monster separates Ai from the father in the middle, and it enters Ai's womb. Then, Aqua and Ruby come out. Now what they didn't show is that the monster can also separate the other family on the left from the father and do the same thing. What do you think that monster is? If you still don't understand then, you can check out this older forum post: Loophole Explanation |
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