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After Rudeus Lost his entire arm, His father, & his mother became a vegetable. He was in the worst shape he’s ever been in completely breaking down. His master who has been teaching him magic since 3 years old, someone Mc actively looks up too decides to manipulate him when he’s most vulnerable and push him down to #uck. Remember she knows Mc has a wife & kids & waits till only the day after all these events happen. Anybody else find this crazy??
Edit: criticism does not equal hating or baiting. I love MT & it’s in my top 10, & while Rudeus has his moments he has completely grown into a new character. But the behavior the FL did is just straight grooming.
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No, she just made him feel better and also took the chance to attain her own happiness.
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We all know this thread is a bait but I'm on the "Roxy did nothing wrong" side.
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It's really not about the fact that a swan puts it's mouth into the mud, but that it gets the worm
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Haters went from "Rudeus bad" bad to "Roxy bad" really fast.

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Fans of MT don't give a shit about that, lets be real. Also, I'm with Norn 100%.
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Everyone in this show annoys me. I'm watching this for plot
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well you haters complain about rudeus grooming "Little girls", now why would this consider grooming with your line of thinking if mentally speaking rudeus Is 40 years old. y'all delusional
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yall haters keep switching between Rudy being a child or an adult in the body of a child

pick one and stick to it fs
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Bait by an idiot for idiots. Engage at the risk of your sanity and reputation.
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tell me, if she didn't do that, would Rudeus have gotten any better? would he have made it in time for Sylphie's birth? would he have remained the same Rudeus he was before his father's death?

think before typing bro, just cause he was down in the dumps doesn't mean that she took advantage of him, even in the latest episode, she put his wife's feelings over her own and decided to leave (before Sylphie stopped her)
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Bait by an idiot for idiots. Engage at the risk of your sanity and reputation.

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I feel the same way

There’s a lot of weirdness going on since Roxy/Rudeus could theoretically be the least problematic Rudy-related ship in the show, but the fact that Roxy doesn’t know about Rudy having had the mind of an adult the entire time + how she takes advantage of him really makes her come across as a cradle robber. It’s very weird to have a ship in this show where Rudy isn’t the most problematic part of it, but I get the feeling that the author just can’t help but pull shit like this.

And while I get the whole thing the show was going for about how that moment “saved” Rudy, that really runs headfirst into my problem with how most of Rudy’s relationships with the women of his life revolve almost entirely around sex in a way that feels less like a story necessity and more like the author just writing with one hand. This goes especially for his relationship with Roxy here, since their romantic development is so absurdly rushed, it just feels like the author is using the “sex with Roxy saved Rudy” thing as just a shortcut to get through this as fast as possible, and in doing so pretty much disregards any potential nuances or complications to their relationship besides “well what if Sylphie doesn’t approve?”

There’s a million ways this show could’ve made Roxy/Rudy work (kick it down the road a little, have Roxy find out about Rudy being a reincarnated adult, give it more time to build up like they did with Rudy/Sylphie, etc.), but the author chose the route which feels the most unnatural and uncomfortable.
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Haters went from "Rudeus bad" bad to "Roxy bad" really fast.
@Piromysl

I mean, OP has Mushoku in their favorites, so “hater” really doesn’t feel like the right word…
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Haters went from "Rudeus bad" bad to "Roxy bad" really fast.
@Piromysl I’ve never been hater of the show, but yall kids think any criticism forwards something you likes makes you a hater
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well you haters complain about rudeus grooming "Little girls", now why would this consider grooming with your line of thinking if mentally speaking rudeus Is 40 years old. y'all delusional
@SuntProstMare I’m not a hater, I like the show. I’m just criticizing a character for her actions. & I’ve never said anything about Rudeus, so what are you chatting about
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No, she just made him feel better and also took the chance to attain her own happiness.
@Zarutaku TRUE, This is still grooming. Flip the situation with Rudeus & Roxy. And you wouldn’t hear the end of it
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@SuntProstMare I’m not a hater, I like the show. I’m just criticizing a character for her actions. & I’ve never said anything about Rudeus, so what are you chatting about

by the Logic of some ppl Rudeus Is a grown up adult, so you complain about Roxy "grooming" him doesnt apply. and its not like Roxy made It JUST because She wanted to feel Better or liked, but to also help Rudeus, you watched the season with your eyes closed, next time open and think before complaining.
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tell me, if she didn't do that, would Rudeus have gotten any better? would he have made it in time for Sylphie's birth? would he have remained the same Rudeus he was before his father's death?

think before typing bro, just cause he was down in the dumps doesn't mean that she took advantage of him, even in the latest episode, she put his wife's feelings over her own and decided to leave (before Sylphie stopped her)
@SweatyFingers That’s cool & all but that’s still grooming😭, I’m not criticizing her for comforting Rudeus. But for taking advantage of MC in worst moments to fuck.
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It is a product of censorship since the anime studio did not want Rudeus to be a clear agressor in cheating. In the og Rudeus initiated it and was very rough with Roxy.
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@Zarutaku TRUE, This is still grooming. Flip the situation with Rudeus & Roxy. And you wouldn’t hear the end of it
@CrispyG Don't think so, everything Roxy said to Rudeus was honest, so I don't see it as manipulation.
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I feel the same way

There’s a lot of weirdness going on since Roxy/Rudeus could theoretically be the least problematic Rudy-related ship in the show, but the fact that Roxy doesn’t know about Rudy having had the mind of an adult the entire time + how she takes advantage of him really makes her come across as a cradle robber. It’s very weird to have a ship in this show where Rudy isn’t the most problematic part of it, but I get the feeling that the author just can’t help but pull shit like this.

And while I get the whole thing the show was going for about how that moment “saved” Rudy, that really runs headfirst into my problem with how most of Rudy’s relationships with the women of his life revolve almost entirely around sex in a way that feels less like a story necessity and more like the author just writing with one hand. This goes especially for his relationship with Roxy here, since their romantic development is so absurdly rushed, it just feels like the author is using the “sex with Roxy saved Rudy” thing as just a shortcut to get through this as fast as possible, and in doing so pretty much disregards any potential nuances or complications to their relationship besides “well what if Sylphie doesn’t approve?”

There’s a million ways this show could’ve made Roxy/Rudy work (kick it down the road a little, have Roxy find out about Rudy being a reincarnated adult, give it more time to build up like they did with Rudy/Sylphie, etc.), but the author chose the route which feels the most unnatural and uncomfortable.
@Infamous_Empire I see your point, but I disagree only cause I think the MC’s relationship with Sylfie is very developed. So there chemistry tg works. But with Roxy I completely agree, instead of Roxy saving MC, it comes off as her taking advantage of Mc in his worst moments after everything happened specially when she knew before hand he has a wife & kid. Also Doesn’t help when she’s been teaching Rudy magic since 3 years old. & Yeah if they just waited down the road or if Roxy found out naturally that Rudy was reincarnated it would’ve been better, instead of the non consensual sex after being manipulated into it
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It is a product of censorship since the anime studio did not want Rudeus to be a clear agressor in cheating. In the og Rudeus initiated it and was very rough with Roxy.
@rohan121 I didn’t know this, this is interesting
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CrispyG said:
After Rudeus Lost his entire arm, His father, & his mother became a vegetable. He was in the worst shape he’s ever been in completely breaking down.


Aka he was at his worst and needed someone to help him get over it. You know, like what he did with Sylphy?

Btw the reason it happened is because:

Elinalise wanted to help Rudy get past his ED, but didnt because she knew about Roxy's feelings for him and didnt want Roxy to hate her.
As a result of Elinalise's issues Rudy went to magic academy.
He met Sylph there, had sex to cure his ED.
Felt guilty and thought he had to ''take responsibility'' so married her.

Aka its all because of Elinalise that he married Sylph. Which is why Elinalise felt guilty and figured she could help both Rudy (get over his HUGE trauma) and Roxy by pushing them together.

If you ask me its a Based W for Elinalise, to make up for what she's caused to happen in the past.

I dont see how any of this is grooming by the way. Roxy only taught him when he was 3 and then left for many years. Roxy also didnt ''manipulate'' him.
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@SweatyFingers That’s cool & all but that’s still grooming😭, I’m not criticizing her for comforting Rudeus. But for taking advantage of MC in worst moments to fuck.

bro Rudeus is ligit an adult 😭

15 is the age you become an adult in the MT verse
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Anybody else find this crazy??

We all know you're just baiting, but I feel like writing this down so normal people can see it too:

You're missing a lot of background information that the anime skipped or changed. It's easy to hate Roxy because we didn't get to see her point of view.
- Rudy's condition didn't improve as the days were going by. He's depressed for weeks!
- Depression should not be taken lightly. Rudy tried to commit seppuku in the middle of the street the last time he was really depressed!
- Elinalise was the best candidate to "cheer" Rudy up because of her experiences, but she was not willing to do it
- Talhand and Geese were busy stripping the hydra floor clean, they didn't have the energy left to bang Rudy
- It wasn't Roxy's first idea but they ran out of options, she tried everything for a whole month! And she didn't have anything to lose by "sacrificing" herself
- Roxy's used to being hated. All her life where ever she went she faced hardships
- It's not grooming because Rudy is an adult in that world. Roxy didn't have plans to steal Rudy from his family and keep him for herself.
- Elinalise forced Rudy into marrying Roxy
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If you swap the genders in these scenes I can guarantee you there'd be outrage stemming from this situation lmao

What I find common among the MT fandom is that they will try their hardest to defend every action from characters they like in the series even if those actions aren't meant to be defended. Roxy fans are no exception to this. I've seen people say she did nothing wrong which is insane to me lmao

Oh and btw before anyone accuses me of being a hater or being a snowflake...I literally love MT. Pointing out a character did something objectively bad does not mean I hate the character or series as a whole. I still like Roxy for the most part. I'm just not gonna defend her actions in this part of the story because they are not worth defending imo.
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Haters went from "Rudeus bad" bad to "Roxy bad" really fast.
@Piromysl ^Exhibit A of MT fans trying to defend everything in the series and calling anyone who doesn't hold that same belief "haters" 💀
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tell me, if she didn't do that, would Rudeus have gotten any better? would he have made it in time for Sylphie's birth? would he have remained the same Rudeus he was before his father's death?

think before typing bro, just cause he was down in the dumps doesn't mean that she took advantage of him, even in the latest episode, she put his wife's feelings over her own and decided to leave (before Sylphie stopped her)
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think before typing bro, just cause he was down in the dumps doesn't mean that she took advantage of him, even in the latest episode, she put his wife's feelings over her own and decided to leave (before Sylphie stopped her)


Roxy literally admits herself that she took advantage of him though? 😭
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SweatyFingers said:
think before typing bro, just cause he was down in the dumps doesn't mean that she took advantage of him, even in the latest episode, she put his wife's feelings over her own and decided to leave (before Sylphie stopped her)


Roxy literally admits herself that she took advantage of him though? 😭

yeah im not denying that, but she also fixed him so it was justifiable (this scene is better in the LN ngl, they ruined it in the anime)
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@Piromysl I’ve never been hater of the show, but yall kids think any criticism forwards something you likes makes you a hater
@CrispyG And you being (allegedly) a fan of the show excuses you from making such an idiotic take only an average MT hater would make how exactly?

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@Piromysl ^Exhibit A of MT fans trying to defend everything in the series and calling anyone who doesn't hold that same belief "haters" 💀
@SkyhighCFC Nice mental gymnastics to see two consenting adults and somehow see grooming. Especially afer whole three years of constantly hearing "rudy is 30+ yo in adult body". Pretty wild take, especially after just making a tread about people supposedly defending MT no matter what, yet here we see people attacking no matter what. Hypocrisy much?
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@SkyhighCFC Nice mental gymnastics to see two consenting adults and somehow see grooming. Especially afer whole three years of constantly hearing "rudy is 30+ yo in adult body". Pretty wild take, especially after just making a tread about people supposedly defending MT no matter what, yet here we see people attacking no matter what. Hypocrisy much?
@Piromysl You already proved to me in another thread that you lack reading comprehension skills and that you just brainlessly defend everything for every character in the show does (even tried to claim Rudy didn't cheat despite the fact that every character involved acknowledged he cheated). So ima keep this very brief:

1. I never said Roxy groomed Rudeus.
2. I never gave a damn about the "Rudy is a 30+ year old in a child's body" types
3. Even if I was, Roxy doesn't know that anyway so that means nothing.
4. Roxy, know Rudy has a pregnant wife at home, in her own words "took advantage of his mental state" and slept with him. Regardless of her reasons for doing so, these actions can be criticized 👍🏾
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@Piromysl You already proved to me in another thread that you lack reading comprehension skills and that you just brainlessly defend everything for every character in the show does (even tried to claim Rudy didn't cheat despite the fact that every character involved acknowledged he cheated). So ima keep this very brief:

1. I never said Roxy groomed Rudeus.
2. I never gave a damn about the "Rudy is a 30+ year old in a child's body" types
3. Even if I was, Roxy doesn't know that anyway so that means nothing.
4. Roxy, know Rudy has a pregnant wife at home, in her own words "took advantage of his mental state" and slept with him. Regardless of her reasons for doing so, these actions can be criticized 👍🏾
@SkyhighCFC "Nah I did nat said dat", but you seem to totally agree with OP's idiotic take with your passive aggressive attack. Not beating that allegations.

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@SweatyFingers That’s cool & all but that’s still grooming😭, I’m not criticizing her for comforting Rudeus. But for taking advantage of MC in worst moments to fuck.
@CrispyG It's literally not grooming, criticising the show is fair but misrepresenting what happened is not.
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All I really wish is that they should have at least dedicated more scenes about showing how dire Rudy's situation is and how many attempts his friends did for him but nothing worked.

As it stands, it's hard to justify that the only way to cheer someone up is to have miserable sex. Rudy didn't even look happy after.
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Watch the episode again. That episode nuance and context easily flew off people head because of emotion.
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After Rudeus Lost his entire arm, His father, & his mother became a vegetable. He was in the worst shape he’s ever been in completely breaking down. His master who has been teaching him magic since 3 years old, someone Mc actively looks up too decides to manipulate him when he’s most vulnerable and push him down to #uck. Remember she knows Mc has a wife & kids & waits till only the day after all these events happen. Anybody else find this crazy??
Edit: criticism does not equal hating or baiting. I love MT & it’s in my top 10, & while Rudeus has his moments he has completely grown into a new character. But the behavior the FL did is just straight grooming.

she didnt like him like that when he was young. she only started seeing something in him when he was older
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Roxy just helped him when he was down.
It was Rudys choice to marry him. How unnatural and rushed it might seem it was the best way without harming Sylphy-Rudy relationship.
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She admitted to having some ulterior motives. But it is also true that she was the only one who can, and will help him at that time. Talhand, Elinalise, and the others just planned to leave him alone. So she helped him out, but with some ulterior motives involved. Let's just say it's a 50-50 thing. 50% genuine and 50% motive.
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think before typing bro, just cause he was down in the dumps doesn't mean that she took advantage of him, even in the latest episode, she put his wife's feelings over her own and decided to leave (before Sylphie stopped her)


Roxy literally admits herself that she took advantage of him though? 😭

yeah im not denying that, but she also fixed him so it was justifiable (this scene is better in the LN ngl, they ruined it in the anime)
@SweatyFingers The ends don't necessarily justify the means. She was not "justified" in doing this. The full context makes it more understandable and gives us a reason to forgive her for it, but that doesn't make it suddenly justifiable.
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@SweatyFingers The ends don't necessarily justify the means. She was not "justified" in doing this. The full context makes it more understandable and gives us a reason to forgive her for it, but that doesn't make it suddenly justifiable.

my "justifiable" i mean't acceptable/forgiveable, my English ain't on point, sorry :/
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@SweatyFingers The ends don't necessarily justify the means. She was not "justified" in doing this. The full context makes it more understandable and gives us a reason to forgive her for it, but that doesn't make it suddenly justifiable.

my "justifiable" i mean't acceptable/forgiveable, my English ain't on point, sorry :/
@SweatyFingers It's all good. At least we're on the same page
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@CrispyG And you being (allegedly) a fan of the show excuses you from making such an idiotic take only an average MT hater would make how exactly?
@Piromysl tf are you chatting about, why would I lie. I’m criticizing a character for taking advantage of the Mc.
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@SweatyFingers That’s cool & all but that’s still grooming😭, I’m not criticizing her for comforting Rudeus. But for taking advantage of MC in worst moments to fuck.

bro Rudeus is ligit an adult 😭

15 is the age you become an adult in the MT verse
@SweatyFingers if you don’t know, that’s what grooming is. It’s the act of coercing someone. Roxy is someone who raised Rudy when he was an infant, & took advantage of Rudy immediately after he became an adult after his fathers death
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If you swap the genders in these scenes I can guarantee you there'd be outrage stemming from this situation lmao

What I find common among the MT fandom is that they will try their hardest to defend every action from characters they like in the series even if those actions aren't meant to be defended. Roxy fans are no exception to this. I've seen people say she did nothing wrong which is insane to me lmao

Oh and btw before anyone accuses me of being a hater or being a snowflake...I literally love MT. Pointing out a character did something objectively bad does not mean I hate the character or series as a whole. I still like Roxy for the most part. I'm just not gonna defend her actions in this part of the story because they are not worth defending imo.
@SkyhighCFC I completely agree, I think they handled the situation very poorly with Rudy and Roxy. It came off very manipulative, & Rudy still looks emotionless after they have sex.

Don’t understand why criticizing a character for there action made me a hater, where was this same energy with Paul.
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@CrispyG It's literally not grooming, criticising the show is fair but misrepresenting what happened is not.
@talisism but it is, Roxy’s been know Rudy since he was able to walk & played a pivotal role as a mentor. Then initiate sex after a large amount of grief from Rudy’s parents & actively walking away from Roxy. He barely concent’s and just lays there & never says a word. From Roxy’s pov that’s grooming
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@SweatyFingers if you don’t know, that’s what grooming is. It’s the act of coercing someone. Roxy is someone who raised Rudy when he was an infant, & took advantage of Rudy immediately after he became an adult after his fathers death

its called "grooming" if its done with a child

and its called "being taken advantage of" if its done with an adult


im not saying that she didnt take advantage of him, she did indeed, but she was the only reason he got better
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@SweatyFingers if you don’t know, that’s what grooming is. It’s the act of coercing someone. Roxy is someone who raised Rudy when he was an infant, & took advantage of Rudy immediately after he became an adult after his fathers death

its called "grooming" if its done with a child

and its called "being taken advantage of" if its done with an adult


im not saying that she didnt take advantage of him, she did indeed, but she was the only reason he got better
@SweatyFingers no it’s called statutory rape if it’s done with a child. It’s called grooming when that child becomes an Adult.
& to your point I agree my only point was criticizing how this situation was handled. It came off very manipulative on Roxy’s part while watching
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@SweatyFingers no it’s called statutory rape if it’s done with a child. It’s called grooming when that child becomes an Adult.
& to your point I agree my only point was criticizing how this situation was handled. It came off very manipulative on Roxy’s part while watching

there are two reasons why i think it was justifiable

1. she helped Rudeus get back on his feet and didn't want to interfere with his relationship with Sylphie (thats why she tried to leave in the last episode)

2. its pretty different in the LN, they skipped all the conversions that happened before this scene which led to them sleeping together, Roxy didn't want to do it before but after talking to Elinalise and the group, she decided it was the only option left, the anime makes it look like she got her chance to get together with Rudeus which is pretty disappointing
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