| Stylistically, there's not much difference between the competing bands, even though one of them is painted as sell-outs. Narratively, Toge-Toge is supposed to be kinda punk, but in reality they just sound, uh, marketable. Almost as if the anime is a marketing vehicle for a new corporate j-rock band. Which it totally is, isn't it? Frankly, that's kinda disgusting. A fucking Universal Music Japan project, debuting with a 13 episode anime that's all about how "indie" and underground the band is. |
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| Honestly, the songs in this anime felt so run off the mill, with no unique style to them. Even something like K-on which I wasn't a fan of when it came to how unserious they treated music at least their songs had substance and flavor they were memorable although silly. This didn't have that, and that's my main problem. |
| I don't care about indie, mainstream or whatever, but I've gotta admit that, even though GBC is my AOTS, the only TogeToge song I really liked is the opening of the anime, the rest was... kinda forgettable, I don't dislike them but I wouldn't listen to them more than once. Bocchi the Rock! and K-On! have much better songs. GBC's saving grace, the one thing in the sound department it did much better than the two anime I mentioned above, is the background music (I mean the soundtrack outside of the musical performances). I'm looking forward to downloading the OST. |
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| I personally love their songs 🤷♀️ |
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Reply to DanceLouisDance
I like them all and feel like your reasoning is kinda an oxymoron.
We only have 2 songs from Diamond dust but if you listen to the instruments and voice and compare them to the insert songs, they are pretty different with TogeToge having more 'flavor' with all instruments and vocals.
for ease; Voiceless fish, What to raise, Emptiness and catharsis, are the Insert songs.
whats wrong with the band making music they want to make, how is that not indie, are you saying any indie band who makes music similar is not indie? in story terms they all connect to the current emotions of the band so it's not out of place. To the end they made their own music which their last one didnt become a hit like the others yet still used it.
guess it depends on what you would say indie means. the definitioin and means independant which for the story is to not beholden to what others (agencies as well) want them to do, their own music regardless of the genre or style. I guess you can still have your own idea of it though since it's taken it's own 'genre' of only having an alternative sound, 'folk'ish or 'shoegaze'
We only have 2 songs from Diamond dust but if you listen to the instruments and voice and compare them to the insert songs, they are pretty different with TogeToge having more 'flavor' with all instruments and vocals.
for ease; Voiceless fish, What to raise, Emptiness and catharsis, are the Insert songs.
whats wrong with the band making music they want to make, how is that not indie, are you saying any indie band who makes music similar is not indie? in story terms they all connect to the current emotions of the band so it's not out of place. To the end they made their own music which their last one didnt become a hit like the others yet still used it.
guess it depends on what you would say indie means. the definitioin and means independant which for the story is to not beholden to what others (agencies as well) want them to do, their own music regardless of the genre or style. I guess you can still have your own idea of it though since it's taken it's own 'genre' of only having an alternative sound, 'folk'ish or 'shoegaze'
| @DanceLouisDance The anime is all about the dichotomy between DD selling out, and TT betting on their authenticity. But in actuality neither sounds any less marketable than the other. To be honest, take away the vocals, and I probably wouldn't be able to tell their songs apart at all. @imjayhime it's not like I'm saying their songs are bad, they just kinda don't fit with the themes of the anime all that well. |
| Girls Band Cry is not a by-the-numbers, generic, anti-establishment work, that would be boring, and there are already thousands of those (mostly corporate-produced!). It's a work about conflicting interests, individual perspectives and doing what you love. Even if I were to agree that the music is generic (I don't agree), that could still be the case and the point would land home just fine. It's what Nina loves, regardless of that aspect, that she doesn't want to change. At worst, using your logic and opinions, you could say there would've been no reason for the labels to want Momoka's music to change anyway, but that's about it, the themes of Girls Band Cry are still there. |
To be fair, the competing band only had 2 songs of their own, of which only one was supposed to be significantly different from Momoka's music:
Their clash of themes was more like 'idol' vs 'rock' which seemed to be accurately portrayed. I also thought that the songs in the anime (especially the insert songs for performances) weren't quite marketable, and more focused on the lyrics and music matching the narrative. The music they made before the anime would've been better if they just wanted marketable music. Especially the ep5 and ep13 songs. Might just be my taste, but the insert songs didn't give the vibe of mass appeal. |
| Yes ,comparing to other related theme the song not to impactful |
| Punk is not a very accurate characterization of TogeToge's music or sound. If you read music producer Kenji Tamai's interview (link https://au.utapass.auone.jp/lp/interview-kenji-tamai) on what inspires their sound, it's heavily influenced by vocaloid producers and "rock, jazz, R&B and EDM" leading up to the 2015-2020 period. Togenashi Togeari's music is definitely much more "technical" than most other anime music. |
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| The only anime girl bands that I can call truly indie (both on presentation and music with their real life counterpart) is MyGO!!!!!. They are a complete contrast to commercially engineered bands like Roselia and Ave Mujica. They sound more alternative/punk rock and also quite different from the rest of the girl bands. TogeToge I feel is more of a tweener. Their presentation was that of a indie band while their music was more mainstream sounding. Quite similar to Kessoku Band. |
| I agree that the songs are pretty lame for the most part, but I dont think DiaDust was a sell out in the way of their music (the show made it clear with ep11 they can do good rock) but more in terms of the whole idol outfit and marketing stuff. Also, TogeToge IS A REAL BAND since before the anime even aired. I dont think anyone would make an original anime just to support a small band, anime is cheap by hollywood standards but this is not a marketing scheme for a band to make more money. And the band is definitely real and dedicated enough to not just be a marketing scheme for the anime. Cant really comment on the whole industry part though, to me its all nonsense. For a new band they actually got popular pretty soon and making songs popular for streaming is totally unrelated from beeing a good band at live concerts. In the end the message is obviously that neither choice is wrong as long as you still like what you are doing. The only wrong choice was giving up. I also think its a bit weird to say songs need to be "marketable" to be indie. There is certainly an entire pop industry set up just for the spotify algorithm, but obviously you make songs people like even with J-Rock. To that end the insert songs not beeing very good but beeing about the anime characters is the opposite of marketable and what you accuse them of. Simply put, Toei cooked with this |
Comander-07Jul 11, 3:31 PM
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| You see, Japan doesn’t like dissidents. Anything that’s “harmful to the culture” gets censored right in the studio during the recording process because they don’t want to get into disputes with Recorin (it’s like an overseer for the Japanese music market). Come to think of it, it’s actually a great thing that such bands like Mudvayne, Slipknot, Korn, SOAD and others who actually have protest in their lyrics are from the West and first got popular in the West. Were they from Japan, they would’ve left unknown. |
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