Could anyone explain the small doubt ?

AJ2814 said:
Reiner was never the attack titan, Eren could only manipulate the previous attack titans.

Theta95 said:
Eren controls the attack titan and attack titans have the special ability to send their memories throughout ages to other attack titans.

Since, eren's father was an attack titan he received eren's memories which eren sent to him but since reiner is not the attack titan he cannot receive his memories

Jatin587 said:

so how did eren manipulate diana into eating his mom and leaving bertolt? diana was a pure titan of royal blood.

Jatin587 said:

so how did eren manipulate diana into eating his mom and leaving bertolt? diana was a pure titan of royal blood.

Mugiwarayaa___ said:
Why couldn't eren manipulate reiner from coming to paradi's island like he did to father so that he can completly avoid the destruction

AJ2814 said:
Reiner was never the attack titan, Eren could only manipulate the previous attack titans.

deg said:
the time travel on this show is a fixed timeline meaning the past and future is already set in stone and cannot be change so eren has no freedom too he is a slave to destiny

even if you think the time travel is not fixed timeline then ymir manipulated eren and mikasa and others anyway so only ymir knows

Otakupervert890 said:
@ghier because he had the founding power in him(because Grisha ate Frida) and Dina is Royal blood so he could command he did the same with Zeke in season 4.

ktg said:
With the way the time travel was handled in the show, everything can be explained as Eren wanted this outcome.
Yes, it is plot convenience. Yes, it is lazy writing.

Jatin587 said:

so how did eren manipulate diana into eating his mom and leaving bertolt? diana was a pure titan of royal blood.

Otakupervert890 said:
@ghier founding power can command any eldian as long you are either in contact with someone with royal blood (happened twice in the story) or Ymir give you full access to it(the rumbling).

Jatin587 said:

so how did eren manipulate diana into eating his mom and leaving bertolt? diana was a pure titan of royal blood.

Jatin587 said:

so how did eren manipulate diana into eating his mom and leaving bertolt? diana was a pure titan of royal blood.

ktg said:
With the way the time travel was handled in the show, everything can be explained as Eren wanted this outcome.
Yes, it is plot convenience. Yes, it is lazy writing.

ktg said:
@Reckless_weeb And yet, he created illusions in Mikasa's head where they lived together, while Mikasa isn't even an Eldian.

ktg said:
@Reckless_weeb Sadly no, they are not. I remember that they were summoned, but they are, in fact, not eldians. Eldians, even half Eldians turn into titans by spinal fluid, while they don't. The fact that Eren can't manipulate their memories is also a proof of that.
You are mixing up the definition of Eldians and Subjects of Ymir. That's 2 different things.

You can also look it up: "The Ackermans are not Eldians"
https://faqabout.me/iam/attack-on-titan/what-is-the-ackerman-familys-secret-9993

ktg said:
With the way the time travel was handled in the show, everything can be explained as Eren wanted this outcome.
Yes, it is plot convenience. Yes, it is lazy writing.

Jatin587 said:

so how did eren manipulate diana into eating his mom and leaving bertolt? diana was a pure titan of royal blood.

ktg said:
@Chanoyu Or you could learn to read. I obviously replied in general and not to this specific question.
And btw, one could argue that Eren could have manipulated Owl to manipulate someone who manipulate Reiner in the future. Based on how convenient the logic is in S4, this could have also happen.
Side note: Eren was clearly capable of creating memories or illusions in Mikasa who is clearly not a titan shifter and not even an eldian. So technically, there were several options that Eren could have used.

I would be really happy if SnK only has some small mistakes, but sadly it is actually full of plot holes after S4. And in many cases the problems come from the controversies between pre-timeskip and post-timeskip (before and after the start of S4).
And people who can't deal with the critique and say that others didn't pay attention or don't care, are just kids you would praise everything even if it has more mistakes than people on the planet.

About the time travel. You are incorrect in that. It isn't a paradox, because we are talking about a fixed timeline. To make that simple for you, you should imagine that everything in that timeline happens at the same time. So there's no bootstrap paradox, because in that concept there's no "past" or "future".
First educate yourself and then you could try to argue about it. Here you can find a really detailed guide: https://imgur.com/t3Lnjsm
(This is also a plot hole, because the fixed timeline concepts actually contradicts the things that Owl said to Grisha.)

ktg said:
With the way the time travel was handled in the show, everything can be explained as Eren wanted this outcome.
Yes, it is plot convenience. Yes, it is lazy writing.

Nardinho said:
The Attack Titan's full power allows the wielder to:

1) Obtain the memories of previous wielders (just like all other titan shifters)
2) To know the memories of future wielders (when Eren kissed Historia's hand he saw his future self in the Paths, the Rumbling in motion, and many other things, because he's the last Attack Titan wielder)
3) To send memories to previous wielders (through Zeke, who possessed royal blood, Eren took full advantage of this ability by sending the exact memories he wanted to Grisha, in order to manipulate him in acting accordingly to his desires)

The Founding Titan's full power allows the wielder to:

1) Communicate, via Paths, to all Eldians (including the Ackermanns, because they're a clan originally created to protect Eldia's kings, and are byproducts of Titan Science, hence them possessing almost "superhuman" abilities)
2) Generate mindless titans of out any matter (the same way Ymir became the founder because she touched the source of all living matter, the founding titan can create titans out of any matter)
2) Manipulate Eldian's memories (apart from the Ackermanns that, although are also Subjects of Ymir, they're partially immune to memory manipulation, most likely because they're a byproduct of Titan Sciene - that's why Mikasa remembered the alternative reality that Eren created for both of them even before his death, because she couldn't be fully manipulated)

To conclude, could Eren have manipulated Reiner, Bertholdt and Annie into not breaking the walls? No.
To have full control over the Titan Shifters, would require full usage of the Founding Titan's power, which Eren never really had through the whole series, because he's not of royal blood. Even if he did, which is not true, his future nihilistic self indirectly desired for Reiner and co. to destroy the walls, so that he could command Dina to ignore them and go straight after his mother. By doing this, he would force his younger self to powerlessly watch his mother getting eaten (he confessed to Armin that his mother's death was his wisb, in order to reach this stage - The Rumbling)
The whole point of this insane decision was to trigger in young Eren the burning desire to, not only fight for freedom, but to fight for the erradication all the titans from the face of the Earth and reach the outside world, no matter the cost and the sacrifice.
By future Eren choosing this path, he was basically paving the way so his younger self could follow the journey that he did throughout the whole series, and that we all saw, and eventually reach the point in which he would kiss Historia's hand and see all of this unfolding, showing him that he is not free like he thought he was, he's just another pawn in the world's history because his future self already chose the path for him.

Masterpiece.

Khushal_v said:

did you even watch the show? nor did the question neither did your answer make any sense

how can eren manipulate Reiner while Reiner doesn't even have the attack Titan, well i don't expect you to even know the power of attack Titan and just call it lazy writing just because you don't understand it

Nardinho18 said:
The Attack Titan's full power allows the wielder to:

1) Obtain the memories of previous wielders (just like all other titan shifters)
2) Know the memories of future wielders (when Eren kissed Historia's hand he saw his future self in the Paths, the Rumbling in motion, and many other things, because he's the last Attack Titan wielder)
3) Send memories to previous wielders (through Zeke, who possessed royal blood, Eren took full advantage of this ability by sending the exact memories he wanted to Grisha, in order to manipulate him in acting accordingly to his desires)

The Founding Titan's full power allows the wielder to:

1) Communicate, via Paths, to all Eldians (including the Ackermanns, because they're a clan originally created to protect Eldia's kings, and are byproducts of Titan Science, hence them possessing almost "superhuman" abilities)
2) Generate mindless titans of out any matter (the same way Ymir became the Founder because she touched the source of all living matter, the Founding Titan can create titans out of any matter)
3) Manipulate Eldian's memories (apart from the Ackermanns because, although are also Subjects of Ymir, they're partially immune to memory manipulation, most likely due to being byproducts of Titan Science - that's why Mikasa remembered the alternative reality that Eren created for both of them even before his death, because she couldn't be fully manipulated)

To answer the main topic, could Eren have manipulated Reiner, Bertholdt and Annie into not breaking the walls? No.
To have complete control over non deceased Ackermanns or Titan Shifters would require full usage of the Founding Titan's power, which Eren never obtained throughout the whole series, because he's not of royal blood. Even if he did, which is not true, his future nihilistic self indirectly desired that Reiner and co. destroyed the walls, so that he could command Dina to ignore them and go straight after his mother. By doing this, he would force his younger self to powerlessly watch his mother getting eaten (he confessed to Armin that his mother's death was his command, in order to reach this stage - The Rumbling).
The whole point of this psychotic decision was to trigger in young Eren the burning desire to not only fight for freedom, but also to fight for the eradication of all titans from the face of the Earth and reach the outside world, no matter the cost and sacrifice.
By future Eren choosing this path, he was basically paving the way to his younger self, so the latter could follow the journey that he did throughout the whole series, and that we all witnessed, and eventually reach the point in which he would kiss Historia's hand and see everything unfolding, showing him that he's not only not free, like he thought he was, but also that he's just another pawn in world's history, because his future self already chose the path for him.
He was indeed a "Slave to Freedom".

Masterpiece.

ghier said:

I think that’s misleading to say it’s fixed. That is probably the intention, but that ignores the reality that actions have consequences still. Just because something is fated to happen, doesn’t mean that the actions of a character cannot give shape to that future.

Eren wasn’t a slave to destiny. He wasn’t a slave at all. He wanted that outcome and made it happen. And he was too pathetic to recognize that he chose the outcome for that reason and victimized himself by calling himself a slave to his values. What a fucking asshole.

SolaceWeb90 said:

I agree. I dont think the story implies the events exist as a fixed timeline because things cannot be changed (I'm not saying you said that), I think it implies its a fixed timeline because of Eren's actions. According to Eren, the way things happened was the best possible outcome for everyone, maybe not only for his friends but also for paradis. [Speculation] Maybe by doing a full rumbling he ends up killing all his friends, and then in the future paradis/eldians destroy each other till there's nothing left. So he opted for this option which he sees as the best one for all parties involved. A small part of the world gets to live and procreate, Eldians gets to experience freedom and explore other parts of the world (like the ocean), and his friends get to live a long life free from war and trauma. Sure we can Speculate further and say if Eren had done "this and that" things would've been better, but we also don't know how different the events might've been.

- In my interpretation Eren meant he is a slave to attempting to become free, hence making him a slave to freedom. Eren is obsessed with the idea of being free. It's the hopeless pursuit of something he doesn't have (freedom) that it makes him a slave to it. Aot says everyone is a slave to something, that's always been one of the themes of the story. Being a slave to the pursuit of freedom when you specifically-are burdened with the responsibilities that prevent you from ever being free, allows you to be enslaved by that very thing. Similar to how people become slaves to money by tying themselves towards the pursuit of it, whether its the responsibility they have at home to support their families or just the idea of being rich, therefore making them slaves to money.
- Eren doesn't remove the responsibilities from himself for what he has done, in fact he does take accountability for the horror of the rumbling by claiming all this happens because of his own actions. It's also why when Armin tells Eren to stay alive and save himself (which he could've), Eren responds by saying he doesn't deserve to live after killing that many people : "I'm sure many of them didn't want to die either", meaning despite how much he wants to live, he believes he deserves to die for his horrible actions. In fact even Armin takes some of Eren's responsibilities as well, which i thought was done beautifully in the anime.

ghier said:

I guess I don’t disagree with your interpretation of what Eren’s perspective was of himself in the show. And I agree that a lot is up to speculation.

But I hate the idea of Eren victimizing himself for feeling inclined to commit genocide. He simply decided that his people should live and everyone else should die. Our *freedom* over theirs. And I’m not gonna let the potential for some alternative reality where the outcome is even worse, which was not at all hinted at in the show - quite the opposite really, deter my disdain for how he portrayed himself.