Lina

I'm not. I think it's you who's getting confused; you should re-read my post, i never said you were wrong...

To explicit more; "Prequel" and "Sequel" are not magic words directly indicating a watch/read order (well, more or less).

• A franchise begins with the main/original work. In the case of Mahouka Koukou no Rettousai (let's take the Anime to be more explicit and precise), the 1st Season is the main work.
  
• Then, we got Raihousha-hen (let's ignore the Hoshi wo Yobu Shoujo for more simplicity), which is the continuation of the story. It's therefore a Sequel; a work released after the main one, with a story taking place in its future.
  
• After a few months, we got Yuutousei, which is the first Season from an alternative point of view. It's therefore a Spin-Off; a work in relation to the main one. (Prequel and Sequel are two precises types of Spin-Offs.)
  
• Finally, there is Tsuioku-hen, which is the backstory of the two main characters. It's therefore a Prequel; a work released after the main one, with a story taking place in its past. (It's very useful narratively speaking, as we can introduce and/or resolve mysteries plot points; develop the characters; or make a twist in the story.)

Now, Prequels are always meant to be experienced after the main one (that's what a Prequel is, after all : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prequel), but with a franchise containing multiple Sequels, it doesn't indicate when, exactly, it should be experienced. To know, all you can do, is follow the original source material, and what the Author says about his work. (In the case of Mahouka : S1 > Tsuioku-hen > S2 > S3 > ...; without counting the changes made for the adaptation.)



I already watched everything there is to, with everything past the 1st Season during their original airing.

Yes, the movie did come out before the second season, which is weird 😂😅

You are the one who quoted me first, to share me the right watch order, with the Prequel Movie set to be seen after, and not in first... so dunno.



Yes, to which i replied "Yes; mentioning something that happened prior is called a "Flashback". Taken as a separate part (like the Volume or the Movie), a flashback is a Prequel; it's a story of the past."



The narrative we follow is the one of their backstories, tho. Therefore, it is a Prequel. The setting (Miyuki remembering those days) is not relevant.



What is the good idea, then ?

That's how i always understood it, and every discussions i had, and documentations i've read are in the same line of thinking as me...

@Alexioos95 • Let’s try this a different way…

Release Order

Season 1: Spring 2014
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei
“The Irregular at Magic High School”

Movie: Summer 2017
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Movie: Hoshi wo Yobu Shoujo
“The Irregular at Magic High School: The Movie - The Girl Who Summons The Stars”

Season 2: Fall 2020
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei: Raihousha-hen
“The Irregular at Magic High School: Visitor Arc”

Spin-off: Summer 2021
Mahouka Koukou no Yuutousei
“The Honor Student at Magic High School”
(Girl’s POV / Changes parts of Season 1)

Special: Winter 2021
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei: Tsuioku-hen
“The Irregular at Magic High School: Reminiscence Arc”

Season 3: Unknown Date
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei
“The Irregular at Magic High School: Season 3”


Chronological Order

Season 1:
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei
“The Irregular at Magic High School”

Spin-off:
Mahouka Koukou no Yuutousei
“The Honor Student at Magic High School”
(Girl’s POV / Changes parts of Season 1)

Season 2:
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei: Raihousha-hen
“The Irregular at Magic High School: Visitor Arc”

Movie:
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Movie: Hoshi wo Yobu Shoujo
“The Irregular at Magic High School: The Movie - The Girl Who Summons The Stars”

Special:
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei: Tsuioku-hen
“The Irregular at Magic High School: Reminiscence Arc”

Season 3:
Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei
“The Irregular at Magic High School: Season 3”

See, you are being condescending again.
The worst, is that you prove right after that you doesn't really use the words as they are meant to. RDR 1 can not be the Sequel; it is the original work... RDR 2 is indeed a Prequel to RDR 1, tho.



A Flashback is the fact to temporally bring the story to a prior event. A Backstory is the past of a character, prior to the start of the story told to the viewer. A Prequel is a separate part of the franchise, about something of the past.
Edit : Fixed typos there.

Now, with a Movie in which a character looks at a photo for 1 minute, and then a story of the past is told in a straightforward manner for 58 minutes, with a return to the present at the last minute of the Movie, we are clearly touching these 3 points. It's literally a narrative structure; tell me how it is not a Prequel.



I admit that i don't have a particular doc in mind. It's more of something learned over the years, by reading and watching different things, and discussing it with multiple peoples. The different articles of Wikipedia are well supplied, tho.



It's not explictly said in Wikipedia. The difference between a Flashback and a Prequel is only its placement in the work.

A 10 minutes scene of the past in a 1 hour Movie is a Flashback; showing briefly what happened at some point. However, if you take these 10 minutes and makes a separate release of it, it is not a Flashback per se anymore, but a Prequel release (Episode/Book).



I literally copy pasted only one time, tho : https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=2146879&id=70617294



'careful, you are condescending yet again.

The Backstory can be shown in the beginning, or middle, or end of story, or in the second season, or in a special, etc etc, however it is presented, my point is that it explains the reasons behind why a character acts like they do now or what events lead up to a current situation.

I was only giving an example of a flashback, not limiting how short or long the time of a flashback needs to be (you took what I said very literally), the Flashback can be any amount of time, however it is presented, my point is that a flashback shows the past as a memory.

“Reminiscence” shows events that happen in the future, so it can be considered a Sequel, but it presents memories from the past that explain character backgrounds, so it can be considered a FlashBack & Backstory, and since it shows what happened before the origin season, it can also be considered a Prequel.

I’ll try to make it easier, it is a sequel to the previous seasons, but it is a prequel since it shows previous events before those seasons, it also does a flashback showing the backstory.

So it can be considered all four.

Well, yeah... Looking at the attitude of your friend, and how he's now even incoherent, i expected you to be a literary professor, or atleast someone who knew more than him and (presumably) me, and would explain from A to Z in 1st degree. My bad. x)



Exactly !

Now, the problem is that the content making it a Sequel amount to barely 2% of the Movie, and is not even used in the narrative (as in a narrator, a temporary break, or whatever); it really is just the setting, unlike the story of the past itself, which is told in a straighforward manner... Considering that, I believe this Movie is to be more generally defined as a Prequel rather than a Sequel.

I never once said to watch it first... All Prequels, no matter which one, always has been created with the idea in mind to be experienced AFTER the main work.



Where did i said that it only was a Prequel ?



Bruh. Just look at the sentences your friend has said :


Of course i'm being stubborn, he didn't explained anything, pinged you into the discussion, only for you to come to the conclusion :

which is something i've never disagreed on once, and kept defending the idea of Prequel, with your friend not accepting it (that's even what started his discussion)... Your conclusion straight up makes all his post completely incoherent, as he is against that, and ends up with a "I agree, u said it way simpler than i did Thank You".

Anyway, someone reading the discussion from an exterior point of view will see what really is to see; hoping it is not a mod coming to ban all of us. x)

You are not thinking logically about the movie. It has parts that won’t be understood unless you watch the other parts first. Telling someone to watch the movie first will confuse them. That’s why I said to watch it after the other parts. Because in the timeline, it comes after the other parts. So your insistence that it is only a prequel is just incorrect.


The problem this entire time has been you, not me or my friend.

My friend @TrickyHunter0506 has been extremely patient with a stubborn arrogant jerk like you.

You should have been thankful, but you treated him terribly, being grossly stubborn and conceited.

Then you were just as awful with me.

Even though everything said you has been nonsensical and just splitting hairs.

You should be ashamed at yourself for treating your fellow humans like this.

Don’t be so rude and argumentative. Don’t assume what people are saying. Don’t put words in their mouth. Don’t act like an arrogant conceited jerk.

Learn to have civil and respectful discussions with other humans.

I mean... it's in the word.

"Prequel" is composed of the word "Sequel", which was truncated with the prefix "Pre". So it's a Sequel (ie. a continuation), with a relativity to "Pre" (ie. before/past). Why would you watch a continuation before the story it is meant to continue ? Thus; your analogy falls flat.

Edit : And did you ever thought about why the Prequels are created after the main work and not before ? Why is this Tsuioku-hen Movie is in reality the 8th Volume of a series and not the first ?

Anyway, it seems that we'll never completely agree on the subject of this long discussion, which is also extremely far from the initial topic. Let's forget about all of that, and hope that no mods will come ban us.

That's my own sentence, made with the literal etymology of the word.

Will the Oxford dictionary be enough ? (https://www.oed.com/dictionary/prequel_n)
It's also mentioned in the Wikipedia article i mentioned earlier. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prequel)



Yeah, there is many such works, including in Japanese Animes ones. For these latters, they are often subtitled "Zero", like Fate/Zero or Ga-Rei Zero.
They all are meant by the Author to be a complementary story to their main one, uncovering mysteries, expanding the universe, ect. That's why most of them are used to cast light on a Backstory.

Like, i don't copy paste all my words from a book (do you ?), i'm a human who's capable of creating my own sentences by picking words depending on their meaning. So yeah, that's my own sentence, about the etymology of the word "Prequel".



Pre + Sequel = Prequel. There is nothing to say anymore, that literally is what the word is.

As for your analogy : "let me keep it simple have u heard about prewedding Photoshoot its comes before the Wedding or according to your research it takes place after the wedding", it does falls flat, as "wedding" does have any relativity to time. Therefore, "pre-wedding" simply means before wedding. There is nothing to analyze there. Meanwhile, "Sequel" means continuation, so in itself, it contains a temporal indicator.

If you look at the word "Prequel", you'll notice that the "Se" was truncated, probably to avoid the meaning of "before the Sequel" (which is something the video game Borderlands used), and was replaced by "Pre", which means before. That last part is my own opinion, but i don't think it's that crazy to assume.

Edit : By the way, didn't you clearly said you were done with this thread ? Who's the stubborn one now, duh.

Sorry, but i just can't take you seriously anymore... That's literally written everywhere, including in the most authoritative dictionary in the world.



Yep, i've been completely coherent all that time.

As for being condescending, that's true too. When discussing with someone openly condescending and aggressive, i don't see for what reason i should not be too, especially when i'm certain of my position and opinion. Maybe that was not your attention, but i ensure you that it's what perspired from your posts.

This time, it's my turn to say that i'm done with the thread. Good luck trying to convince other peoples of what is, or not, a Prequel, on top of determining the meaning of the word itself.

@ejleon Thank you for your reply i really appreciated and am really sorry i dragged you into this but leave the topic as i said in the previous post, @Alexioos95 is still misinterpreting what you and i are saying. Both our posts are somewhat similar he is still saying its coherent

I think the Topic is already stretched out. Let him think he is right, we don't have to waste our time for him. He wont agree unless he hears what he wants to hear, so its best we don't say anything from this movement on.

@ejleon Thank you for your reply i really appreciated and am really sorry i dragged you into this but leave the topic as i said in the previous post, @Alexioos95 is still misinterpreting what you and i are saying. Both our posts are somewhat similar he is still saying its coherent

I think the Topic is already stretched out. Let him think he is right, we don't have to waste our time for him. He wont agree unless he hears what he wants to hear, so its best we don't say anything from this movement on.

@TrickyHunter0506 It’s ok, I was glad you helped me and I was happy to help you too. Lousy about how things happen in this case.

@ejleon
Same for me. Sorry for replying late was kinda in the middle of many things.

Its was Infuriating when he said this Just look at this Kid's nerve for telling this 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️.

Its good think it stopped or else we would have seriously got banned for spamming posts🤣🤣

@TrickyHunter0506 Yeah, this kid was one unique individual, but not in a good way. The amount of arrogance in them to just disregard others and believe they are another level smarter than you and I. It kind of made me laugh, these people actually exist in the world.