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Jan 14, 8:23 AM
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Don’t get me wrong this movie is great, shoko and shoya are well written. But i hate that the 2 satan spawn didn’t get no consequences for all the evil thing they’ve done
1.Ueno: bullying, physical abuse to shoko, mental abuse to shoya, beating shoko after she almost ended it all and was still recovering, having the nerve to blame shoko for putting shoya’s life in danger (when she herself was one of the reason that made shoko almost ended it all), and fucking fought shoko’s mother, like this is someones mother goddamit. Then she learns sign language and all of her wrongs are forgiven now, like wtf
2.Miki: i don’t think i need to explain anything about this demon, and the fact that this piece of trash didn’t get any consequences at all is so infuriating.
If i had a gun with only 10 bullets and was in a room with hitler, bin laden, ueno and miki, all the bullets are going to ueno and miki. I bet satan himself is probably disgusted with these 2 creatures. These 2 really made me hate the movie


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Jan 14, 8:43 AM
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BC it's meant to be realistic and show like
not everything has a happy ending and ppl who do bad stuff don't always get the punishment.
if it ended with everyone who did wrong getting punished, ppl would call it too cliche and just pandering to make the perfect ending
Jan 14, 8:46 AM
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All characters in this movie are masterfully written. Doesn't matter if they are good or bad people, they're all great characters. Also, Shoko's mom is probably the most evil character in the movie and the #1 cause of Shoko's suicidal behaviour.
Jan 14, 8:49 AM
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I completely agree, it’s really hard to watch the bullies get no repercussions for their terrible actions
Jan 14, 9:26 AM
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You're wrong. I take it you went (or go) to a middle and high school where everyone was always looking out for each other, never tormenting the innocent and awkward, or rejecting and isolating each other depending on insignificant social cues and mistakes.

Do you not resent ishida? Do you not hate him too? Is it because he was outcasted or because he changed? Because he suffered or because he became better?

If, at the end, ueno and kawai realized they were wrong, even if they didn't go through any part of the hell ishida did, what reason is there to hold grudge?

You have yet to realize that, by wanting them to suffer punishment, you have become exactly like them, when they wanted ishida to be punished for tormenting shoko more than anyone else.
Jan 14, 9:34 AM
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IhnalakoKaina said:
You're wrong. I take it you went (or go) to a middle and high school where everyone was always looking out for each other, never tormenting the innocent and awkward, or rejecting and isolating each other depending on insignificant social cues and mistakes.

Do you not resent ishida? Do you not hate him too? Is it because he was outcasted or because he changed? Because he suffered or because he became better?

If, at the end, ueno and kawai realized they were wrong, even if they didn't go through any part of the hell ishida did, what reason is there to hold grudge?

You have yet to realize that, by wanting them to suffer punishment, you have become exactly like them, when they wanted ishida to be punished for tormenting shoko more than anyone else.

just saying the world ain't as perfect as u see it. ppl get bullied that's j normal for humans. ofc I don't like it and don't do it myself but there isn't a skl without bullying.
also like it's to show how these characters are narrow-minded and won't change. they have done bad things and don't regret it, making U hate them even more, the (probably) want if the mangaka
the mangaka doesn't want U to like them characters, hence why they are the way they are
it'd be boring if everyone was cookie cutter and everything was happy at the end
Jan 14, 9:39 AM
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I don't even know if I resp to the right thing or what arguing abt
Jan 14, 11:03 AM
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bad characters written well are good characters. this movie's drama was a little over the top at times, I think it would have moved fully into the cheese zone if everything had been perfectly tied up That would have been fine too, but I personally like it better this way.
Jan 14, 7:01 PM
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Ueno get her punishment for me.
I dont read the manga or if this is what the author intention, but for me Shoya is Ueno's first love and she still have that same feeling.
Jan 14, 11:20 PM

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Gilbertaxel17 said:
Don’t get me wrong this movie is great, shoko and shoya are well written. But i hate that the 2 satan spawn didn’t get no consequences for all the evil thing they’ve done
1.Ueno: bullying, physical abuse to shoko, mental abuse to shoya, beating shoko after she almost ended it all and was still recovering, having the nerve to blame shoko for putting shoya’s life in danger (when she herself was one of the reason that made shoko almost ended it all), and fucking fought shoko’s mother, like this is someones mother goddamit. Then she learns sign language and all of her wrongs are forgiven now, like wtf
2.Miki: i don’t think i need to explain anything about this demon, and the fact that this piece of trash didn’t get any consequences at all is so infuriating.
If i had a gun with only 10 bullets and was in a room with hitler, bin laden, ueno and miki, all the bullets are going to ueno and miki. I bet satan himself is probably disgusted with these 2 creatures. These 2 really made me hate the movie


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Satan would love these two because he wants humans to suffer as much as possible.

In that room of humans, saving the bullets for two individuals that didn’t cause World War II / continental genocide or the 2011 World Trade Disaster seems completely illogical, as well as, totally inconsiderate for those that died and those that lost.

I didn’t hate the movie, I disliked characters in the movie.

And Miki was never forgiven, they tried to get her to change
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

Jan 14, 11:52 PM
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Fartpoopoo said:
BC it's meant to be realistic and show like
not everything has a happy ending and ppl who do bad stuff don't always get the punishment.
if it ended with everyone who did wrong getting punished, ppl would call it too cliche and just pandering to make the perfect ending

I get that, but the fact that shoko and shoya still ends up being friends with ueno and miki is outrageous tho. Like if my friend hit my mom, i’m definitely no gonna be friends with them anymore. Makes me wonder if shoko and shoya are masochist lol.
Jan 15, 3:21 AM
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Welcome to the real world.
Jan 15, 3:23 AM
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Gilbertaxel17 said:
Fartpoopoo said:
BC it's meant to be realistic and show like
not everything has a happy ending and ppl who do bad stuff don't always get the punishment.
if it ended with everyone who did wrong getting punished, ppl would call it too cliche and just pandering to make the perfect ending

I get that, but the fact that shoko and shoya still ends up being friends with ueno and miki is outrageous tho. Like if my friend hit my mom, i’m definitely no gonna be friends with them anymore. Makes me wonder if shoko and shoya are masochist lol.

It's probably something which was fixed and apologised for off screen. You don't see their entire lives, that part of the film is set over an entire summer. The film is looking at the relationship between the two mains and so that's what you're shown.
Jan 15, 6:59 AM
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here's my humble opinion:

what I'd say is if you read manga, you'd empathize or atleast hate ueno less. I too loathed ueno but manga made me actually kinda like her lol. do check that

Miki kawaii, yea she's a covert narcissist but people like her do exist IRL so albeit I HATE her, the author yoshitoki ooima would probably want us to see her with neutrality

anyway to conclude I highly recommend reading manga especially if you liked anime, it gives you a broader perspective
Jan 15, 8:49 PM
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Yosakusan said:
All characters in this movie are masterfully written. Doesn't matter if they are good or bad people, they're all great characters. Also, Shoko's mom is probably the most evil character in the movie and the #1 cause of Shoko's suicidal behaviour.

can u elaborate pls
Jan 16, 3:56 AM
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NJA_06 said:
Yosakusan said:
All characters in this movie are masterfully written. Doesn't matter if they are good or bad people, they're all great characters. Also, Shoko's mom is probably the most evil character in the movie and the #1 cause of Shoko's suicidal behaviour.

can u elaborate pls

She purposely enrolled Shouko at a school that didn't have the resources for a deaf student because she couldn't admit that her daughter was different. Her pride wouldn't allow her to accept that her daughter needed special treatment. That has to do with not only her but the entire family who deserted Shouko after she was born deaf. Also, notice that the mom never tried ro properly use sign language with her daughter. So the main reason why Shouko is suicidal is because of her family, the bullying was just the cherry on top.
Jan 16, 9:43 PM
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I hop their should be more type of movies like this
Mar 16, 9:39 AM
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Ueno's character deserves to be in h universe since she already acts like a cheap sl.. and taking this as a full time job won't be a problem she deserves every kind of emotional, mental and physical torture that she likes to inflicted on others.
The only good thing about her that simps usually like is she's good looking and loves to seduce people.
What amazed me is Sahara who was once shoko's friend and knows how Ueno bullied her yet she ended up befriended that bit$h and became her follower I swear this girl is a m and about that Miki she's probably the luckiest shit here only thing is she's not as direct as Ueno with her bullying
In the end I don't like this story because of its ending there is no meaning to get along with the same shits whose actions' consequences leaved you behind with a permanent damage this world has many people to start anew but yeah a happy story includes easy undeserving forgiveness.
Apr 29, 2:25 AM

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Old thread but whatever.

I hate Kawai since the first time I watched this movie on theaters 7 years ago, and while everything Ishida, Ueno and the gang did to Nishimiya was inexcusable, you have to remember they were ultimately children. I haven't read the manga, but as we see in the movie, Sahara holds Ueno with respect to a certain degree. She doesn't say Ueno is a problematic student in their high school, so it's highly likely that Ueno does not grow up to be a bully. She still very much hates Nishimiya's guts, but where's the harm in that? She treats everyone almost equally. For example, Ishida thinks every single thing that befell Nishimiya is his fault and his fault only. Ueno dislikes his way of thinking, because that's not true. The truth is every single person in the main casts except for Sahara bullied Nishimiya one way or another. Even the teacher was in on it too. Kawai being the most dishonest, not to mention her holier than thou attitude. That's why when Ueno hears Nishimiya hates herself angers her even more. She doesn't say sorry to Nishimiya, but she goes out of her way to learn a little bit of sign language.

On the other hand, Kawai learns nothing. She did and does nothing to understand Nishimiya. She didn't stop the bullying and she doesn't learn sign language after everything that occurred. I did read snippets from the manga, and it's not shown in the movie, but apparently her classmates don't really like her, hence the one thousand crane project isn't finish. And due to that shocking revelation, she has the gall to put herself in a similar position as Nishimiya, as bullied/harassed mates. This kid literally thinks she suffers as bad as Nishimiya did simply because her classmates ignore her. What a piece of shit. Everything is all about her and her.
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