Attack on Titan
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Nov 15, 2023 2:11 PM
#1
I am one of the manga readers and was kinda disappointed at the ending. Here are my problems with it. It might not be the same as other manga readers. ROMANCE :I feel like the biggest problem of the finale is the change of theme/topic. With previous, we basically have more episodes/chapters or even entire season to change the theme of story, from typical shounen, to mystery, to politics. It had like natural build up to it which made those seasons really good. However, in the last 30 minutes of the finale the author managed to insert some weird romance as the main topic for the story (Ymir/Mikasa). It just felt like out of nowhere and I kinda disliked it. MORE PLOT REVEALS, MORE MESS: One of the things of that I value the most is the COHERENCE. I know a lot of anime hardcore fans will come here and bash me that I didn't understand the story at all , that I should watch it more and throw all kinds of theories and lores at me. I really don't care, just so you know... I did rewatch previous seasons before season 4 aired, and all of them were perfect at building up pace and making the story COHERENT. I am sure quite a bit anime onlies were also confused when Eren revealed that he was the one who killed his mother during finale. Like at this point, I am just confused. The movie can remove this part and can be as good, in fact MORE COHERENT. I am deducting another point from here. Disney ending : We, manga readers, didn't wish for Disney ending at all. In fact, this ending is quite Disney ending. I'll explain. You can't just kill 80 percent of people in the world and not expect any retaliation. We know that Yeagerists is in power of Paradis and 20 percent are still alive. Logically, it would make sense that there would another war right after. Somehow, Armin, the son of Naruto, used talk no jutsu and everyone stayed alive and died of old age. The ending could not have been HAPPIER than this. Therefore, this is DISNEY ending what you guys were talking about. EDIT: Perhaps I need to clarify why I view it as Disney ending in addition to above. Although 80 percent of world were killed, no one from Avengers team really died. Now, you are going to say that Eren cared about his friends, he is not gonna kill them. We have to keep in mind Hange, Sasha were dead because of his actions (indirectly) already. Also, he said he was going to protect his friends, but Gabi, Pieck, (Falco, Reiner, Annie) could be exceptions. Even this is OK, at least I thought that one of the parents of Annie or Reiner will die during Rumbling (Using Beast Titan) but that didn't happen also. In Finale, none of fan favorite characters died except Eren which I already knew was going to happen, and Zeke (which I didn't know he was still alive). This is why I view it as Happy (Disneyish) ending. Finally, when the manga was ending, I think the Isayama was the one who announced that it was going to have 139 chapters. There is this insane hype on manga. People were discussing that it was going to be THE GREATEST ANIME NOT ONE OF THE GREATEST. Even better than FMAB and Steins:gate and naturally with this kind of expectation, a lot of them will be disappointed. So keep this in mind. At the end of the day, it is just anime. Some people like, others don't. In my case, I didn't like it. And it is my SUBJECTIVE OPINION. If you like it, cool. If you don't, still cool. There is no need to bash each other. Although, anime it a little bit better because Hiroyuki Sawano is the GOAT :) His music always makes anime better and deserves applaud. |
Koloro122Nov 15, 2023 6:32 PM
Nov 15, 2023 2:27 PM
#2
But you know that war did happen later on, right? And it is kind of hard to retaliate right after being trampled, and it was 80% of the world that got trampled. pretty heavy dmg imo. But I guess it is pointless to talk since you dont care :) |
Nov 15, 2023 3:15 PM
#3
Because some of them don't like good story |
Nov 15, 2023 5:00 PM
#5
I was just left confused by the manga reader's view of the ending after watching the anime ending myself, it was almost perfect imo. And I don't think killing 80% of the population to make an era of peace for the lifetime of your friends(while killing himself) qualifies as a Disney ending lol It did feel a bit convoluted but I think that's due to my simple brain and the way the released this damn series, which is really my only gripe. |
Nov 15, 2023 5:08 PM
#6
In my opinion the ending was perfect for the characters and the story as a whole, and it definitely wasn’t a Disney ending. During the Timelapse of the tree so many wars were happening and just because Armin is a g at negotiating doesn’t make it that he could stop the Jeagarists, but idk, people are entitled to their own opinions. |
Nov 15, 2023 5:17 PM
#7
Pharqwad said: I was just left confused by the manga reader's view of the ending after watching the anime ending myself, it was almost perfect imo. And I don't think killing 80% of the population to make an era of peace for the lifetime of your friends(while killing himself) qualifies as a Disney ending lol It did feel a bit convoluted but I think that's due to my simple brain and the way the released this damn series, which is really my only gripe. Honestly bro, I completely agree |
Nov 15, 2023 5:34 PM
#8
I do have some issues with the ending, but I've very rarely experienced what I would regard as a perfect ending to a show, and it was solid enough that it didn't detract from the rest of the series and how well written a lot of it was. I'd give it an 8/10 to a 9/10 series. I would have preferred a little more backstory on Ymir, given she was the progenitor of the 2000 year long titan-era and she was quite important to the conclusion of the story. An epilogue episode of 10-20 minutes after the Rumbling would have also helped pace the ending to the final scene with Mikasa a little more. Killing 80% of the world's population so that a few of your loved ones can enjoy a period of peace (among other reasons) isn't what I would qualify as a Disney ending. A Disney ending would have been the cliched "this was just all a dream" ending and none of it really happened and everyone is ultimately alive, or the Rumbling being stopped before it could kill anyone, and Eren surviving. |
xenosysNov 15, 2023 6:28 PM
Nov 15, 2023 6:57 PM
#9
Since we're all just giving subjective opinions here's my subjective opinion to your subjective opinions. I agree the romance wasn't very well set up. It was hinted at for sure. I don't why Manga readers ignore that.(Maybe because it goes against the image of Chad Eren?). But yeah it wasn't well set up. Ymir/Fritz thing I wouldn't call romance. It's made very clear that it was just an abusive relationship and Ymirs Victim Mentality.(Plenty of Victims of abuse do this). Eren orchestrating his mother does not make teh story incoherent. Hell it was so obvious. I'm not even joking when I say that when the Manga ending was coming out I already expected this reveal. As soon as we got the "Eren made his dad give him the Attack Titan" reveal it became si obvious that he probably did the same for his mom.(Especially when you see Dina abnormally leave Bert and go straight for Carla). It was not a Disney ending in any way. The Main character died. Zeke died. Just before this Hange died. The strongest character of the show was left crippled for life. And the good guys still were unable to save 80% of humanity. In world is an ending where 80% of humanity is genocided a Disney ending. And in the end, even when ignoring the end credits nothing gets resolve. Paradis is still in control of Semi Facists. The rest of the world is still angry and Paradis and crippled. And we are just left with the hope that maybe this time the Alliance will be able to broker peace. As for why a War didn't immediately break out? Could be because the rest of the world is literally crippled and has no infrastructure? And is most probably experience the biggest humanitarian crisis in history with shortage of food, resources, shelter. Not to mention they don't have a Military either. AoT IS one of the greatest Anime of all times alongside the likes of FMAB and Steins Gate. And I don't even get the example of FMAB.(I haven't seen Steins Gate but I've heard it's first half is very slow and not that good). FMAB did not have a perfect ending. And this is not be criticizing FMAB, I absolutely love that show. But it's ending was basically a big power of friendship thing too. Bradley dies because he got the Moonlight in his eyes. Father who had just absorbed the power of a god starts to take a beating from normal Alchemists. Greed acts completely out of character because of Friendship. And the show basically breaks it's own rules when Edward decides to exchange Alchemy for Alphonse's body even though the 2 are not equivalent in anyway. I still love FMAB and that's my point. FMAB ending is a solid 8.5. And AoT Ending is similar at a solid 8.(In my opinion) Both of their endings are imperfect but good. |
Nov 15, 2023 7:01 PM
#10
Reply to xenosys
I do have some issues with the ending, but I've very rarely experienced what I would regard as a perfect ending to a show, and it was solid enough that it didn't detract from the rest of the series and how well written a lot of it was. I'd give it an 8/10 to a 9/10 series.
I would have preferred a little more backstory on Ymir, given she was the progenitor of the 2000 year long titan-era and she was quite important to the conclusion of the story. An epilogue episode of 10-20 minutes after the Rumbling would have also helped pace the ending to the final scene with Mikasa a little more.
Killing 80% of the world's population so that a few of your loved ones can enjoy a period of peace (among other reasons) isn't what I would qualify as a Disney ending. A Disney ending would have been the cliched "this was just all a dream" ending and none of it really happened and everyone is ultimately alive, or the Rumbling being stopped before it could kill anyone, and Eren surviving.
I would have preferred a little more backstory on Ymir, given she was the progenitor of the 2000 year long titan-era and she was quite important to the conclusion of the story. An epilogue episode of 10-20 minutes after the Rumbling would have also helped pace the ending to the final scene with Mikasa a little more.
Killing 80% of the world's population so that a few of your loved ones can enjoy a period of peace (among other reasons) isn't what I would qualify as a Disney ending. A Disney ending would have been the cliched "this was just all a dream" ending and none of it really happened and everyone is ultimately alive, or the Rumbling being stopped before it could kill anyone, and Eren surviving.
@xenosys Yeah a Disney ending would have been Armin convincing Eren to stop at the start of the Rumbling and then everyone forgiving Eren. An ending where 80% of humanity dies. Where the main character dies. Forced to be killed by his friends. Where the single strongest character is crippled for life. And the good guys are starting to become a Semi - Facist state does not evoke a Disney like feeling. |
Nov 15, 2023 7:53 PM
#11
manga was a 10/10 for me and so was the anime |
Nov 15, 2023 9:37 PM
#12
i mean you said it yourself. You think that "anime hardcore fans" will come here and tell you that you didn't understand the story at all......because that's true ;-; but I'm not gonna tell you why since you said you don't care. As a manga reader, I loved the ending because this story couldn't have ended in a better way. That's just "my" opinion ofc |
Nov 15, 2023 9:55 PM
#13
because they know that an ending like that is basic and boring af |
Nov 15, 2023 10:06 PM
#14
Only 28 people hated it, so it's not that bad. |
Nov 15, 2023 11:12 PM
#15
as manga reader the ending was perfect and made sense but erens death really put me in depression for two years at least so yeah ofc I would've changed that but I don't even know how it would be possible |
Nov 15, 2023 11:18 PM
#16
There’s just some big plot holes, if someone has answers for these please share though ๐: 1. So assuming the rumbling stopped when Zeke was killed as the connection to royal blood was lost, how did Eren still turn into a colossal titan? Unless after getting Ymir on his side he didn’t need royal blood, but then did Eren manually stop the rumbling after zeke died to help his friends? I’ve seen people reference 850 (season 2) and the fact that even after losing contact with Dina, eren was able to use the founder’s power briefly to summon titans against Dina, Reiner, and Bert. So maybe there’s a window where he can use founder’s power even after losing contact with royal blood. 2. Eren can’t control the past or future, he can influence those who have had the attack titan with the combined powers of the attack and founder. So how did Dina get moved from Bert to Eren’s mom? This is where I’ve seen people say it’s a causal loop, that it was always destined to happen. Moreover, I’ve seen people say that in 850 (season 2) since he touched Dina this basically locks in that she can’t eat Bert as she then wouldn’t be there in 850 as a power of the founder. Sorry if this is confusing. I read the manga when it released and didn’t think much of the plot holes, but after seeing the anime ending I get why there are people who dislike it. I still love the show and think the anime did a great job, but just some loose ends that are not very clear. |
harishrNov 15, 2023 11:22 PM
Nov 16, 2023 12:55 AM
#17
this is so petty but for me i just couldnt help but compare it to the ending of code geass and how code geass did it better lmao |
_darskyyDec 27, 2023 6:57 PM
Nov 16, 2023 1:06 AM
#18
harishr said: Eren could turn into a colossal titan because he possesses the FT, which allows titan creation as well.1. So assuming the rumbling stopped when Zeke was killed as the connection to royal blood was lost, how did Eren still turn into a colossal titan? Unless after getting Ymir on his side he didn’t need royal blood, but then did Eren manually stop the rumbling after zeke died to help his friends? I’ve seen people reference 850 (season 2) and the fact that even after losing contact with Dina, eren was able to use the founder’s power briefly to summon titans against Dina, Reiner, and Bert. So maybe there’s a window where he can use founder’s power even after losing contact with royal blood. And yeah it's exactly that. The situation here was kinda similar to the end of s2 as well, the only difference is that he had gained the full power of the FT or the Coordinate in other words, after freeing Ymir from paths, so the temporary connection wasn't necessary. harishr said: Eren only changed the direction of Dina's titan, but unfortunately, the direction which she took was towards the Jaeger house, where Carla was stuck under the rubble. Either way, Carla's death was certain on that day because firstly, it was destined to happen since the future can't be changed and secondly, if not for Dina, any other pure titan would have devoured her nonetheless. Also, had Eren interfered anymore or tried to change something else, the whole story would have changed.2. Eren can’t control the past or future, he can influence those who have had the attack titan with the combined powers of the attack and founder. So how did Dina get moved from Bert to Eren’s mom? This is where I’ve seen people say it’s a causal loop, that it was always destined to happen. Moreover, I’ve seen people say that in 850 (season 2) since he touched Dina this basically locks in that she can’t eat Bert as she then wouldn’t be there in 850 as a power of the founder. |
dk107_Nov 16, 2023 1:18 AM
Nov 16, 2023 1:09 AM
#19
I always felt like it's it all over the place.. and it feels a lot like the Autor had to change things due to idk who or what. maybe the publisher idk.. but it always felt kinda off like it was supposed to be something else and then he had to come up with something different on the spot.. there's this interview from years ago where the Autor said the Once the manga is over he'll open up a spa with the tears of his fans but this ending doesn't fit that |
Nov 16, 2023 4:39 AM
#20
I think the anime ending is worse because they added retcons to one of my fav aot characters (armin) and more dumb dialogue in armin and erens conversations like how eren contradicts everything he says with the next statement |
Nov 16, 2023 5:31 AM
#21
Akilis93 said: But you know that war did happen later on, right? And it is kind of hard to retaliate right after being trampled, and it was 80% of the world that got trampled. pretty heavy dmg imo. But I guess it is pointless to talk since you dont care :) Why didn’t eren just finish the rumbling? Then there is 0% chance for retaliation. And don’t say it was bc “muh fate”. That’s basically you admitting that the plot defeated him, which is terrible writing. |
Nov 16, 2023 6:16 AM
#22
Reply to SuperNinja02
Akilis93 said:
But you know that war did happen later on, right? And it is kind of hard to retaliate right after being trampled, and it was 80% of the world that got trampled. pretty heavy dmg imo.
But I guess it is pointless to talk since you dont care :)
But you know that war did happen later on, right? And it is kind of hard to retaliate right after being trampled, and it was 80% of the world that got trampled. pretty heavy dmg imo.
But I guess it is pointless to talk since you dont care :)
Why didn’t eren just finish the rumbling? Then there is 0% chance for retaliation. And don’t say it was bc “muh fate”. That’s basically you admitting that the plot defeated him, which is terrible writing.
@Monkey_D_Uzumaki I just dont get your twisted reasoning. Every character that ever was defeated/killed/stopped/sealed/prisoned whaterver the case, WAS defeated by plot, because author wanted this to happen. Naruto beaten Pain because author wanted this to happen. Gohan killed Cell because author wanted this to happen. Aizen was sealed by Urahara because author wanted this to happen. Jojo killed Dio because author wanted this to happen. We can go on like this with basically every anime antagonist ever created. Everything that has ever happened to any of them was due to the plot. So each of theirs lose was because of plot. Because author creates the plot and makes anything he want to happen, happen. So what you are saying is that it's terrible writing when someone is being defeated XDD Cant' you see how stupid this is? Give me one example of being defeated not by plot but by something else, please. I wonder how was anyone beaten other than by author's will, which is what plot is. Perhaps some characters lives by themselves, and they don't have author? XDDD |
Nov 16, 2023 7:27 AM
#23
Akilis93 said: @Monkey_D_Uzumaki I just dont get your twisted reasoning. Every character that ever was defeated/killed/stopped/sealed/prisoned whaterver the case, WAS defeated by plot, because author wanted this to happen. Naruto beaten Pain because author wanted this to happen. Gohan killed Cell because author wanted this to happen. Aizen was sealed by Urahara because author wanted this to happen. Jojo killed Dio because author wanted this to happen. We can go on like this with basically every anime antagonist ever created. Everything that has ever happened to any of them was due to the plot. So each of theirs lose was because of plot. Because author creates the plot and makes anything he want to happen, happen. So what you are saying is that it's terrible writing when someone is being defeated XDD Cant' you see how stupid this is? Give me one example of being defeated not by plot but by something else, please. I wonder how was anyone beaten other than by author's will, which is what plot is. Perhaps some characters lives by themselves, and they don't have author? XDDD FAA & lambdadelta. |
Nov 16, 2023 9:44 AM
#24
Thank you for saying that we weren’t expecting a Disney ending. We wanted an ending grounded and realistic. What we got is a situation where “genocide created peace” which has always been the antithesis to AOT. Problems were not always black and white to solve, but somehow we are to believe killing everyone outside of Paradis will make everything fine? Isayama was merely a good artist that made a great idea a cultural icon. He is not a good writer at all. |
Nov 16, 2023 11:40 AM
#25
Koloro122 said: I am one of the manga readers and was kinda disappointed at the ending. Here are my problems with it. It might not be the same as other manga readers. ROMANCE :I feel like the biggest problem of the finale is the change of theme/topic. With previous, we basically have more episodes/chapters or even entire season to change the theme of story, from typical shounen, to mystery, to politics. It had like natural build up to it which made those seasons really good. However, in the last 30 minutes of the finale the author managed to insert some weird romance as the main topic for the story (Ymir/Mikasa). It just felt like out of nowhere and I kinda disliked it. MORE PLOT REVEALS, MORE MESS: One of the things of that I value the most is the COHERENCE. I know a lot of anime hardcore fans will come here and bash me that I didn't understand the story at all , that I should watch it more and throw all kinds of theories and lores at me. I really don't care, just so you know... I did rewatch previous seasons before season 4 aired, and all of them were perfect at building up pace and making the story COHERENT. I am sure quite a bit anime onlies were also confused when Eren revealed that he was the one who killed his mother during finale. Like at this point, I am just confused. The movie can remove this part and can be as good, in fact MORE COHERENT. I am deducting another point from here. Disney ending : We, manga readers, didn't wish for Disney ending at all. In fact, this ending is quite Disney ending. I'll explain. You can't just kill 80 percent of people in the world and not expect any retaliation. We know that Yeagerists is in power of Paradis and 20 percent are still alive. Logically, it would make sense that there would another war right after. Somehow, Armin, the son of Naruto, used talk no jutsu and everyone stayed alive and died of old age. The ending could not have been HAPPIER than this. Therefore, this is DISNEY ending what you guys were talking about. EDIT: Perhaps I need to clarify why I view it as Disney ending in addition to above. Although 80 percent of world were killed, no one from Avengers team really died. Now, you are going to say that Eren cared about his friends, he is not gonna kill them. We have to keep in mind Hange, Sasha were dead because of his actions (indirectly) already. Also, he said he was going to protect his friends, but Gabi, Pieck, (Falco, Reiner, Annie) could be exceptions. Even this is OK, at least I thought that one of the parents of Annie or Reiner will die during Rumbling (Using Beast Titan) but that didn't happen also. In Finale, none of fan favorite characters died except Eren which I already knew was going to happen, and Zeke (which I didn't know he was still alive). This is why I view it as Happy (Disneyish) ending. Finally, when the manga was ending, I think the Isayama was the one who announced that it was going to have 139 chapters. There is this insane hype on manga. People were discussing that it was going to be THE GREATEST ANIME NOT ONE OF THE GREATEST. Even better than FMAB and Steins:gate and naturally with this kind of expectation, a lot of them will be disappointed. So keep this in mind. At the end of the day, it is just anime. Some people like, others don't. In my case, I didn't like it. And it is my SUBJECTIVE OPINION. If you like it, cool. If you don't, still cool. There is no need to bash each other. Although, anime it a little bit better because Hiroyuki Sawano is the GOAT :) His music always makes anime better and deserves applaud. i think they did war again, but thats like a daydream or another story its like cyberpunk ending, some leople says lucy died and some other people says lucy lived no one really knows but youre right, it is very disney and avenger, i thought atleast levi would pass away to the other side the part that i didnt like the most was the one where he had talked to armin on every era where he talked to them and then locked their memories like bro, no one aint got time for that just keep it at when youre kids, when you actually had time and why the fuck did they give Armin spoilers on his own life you already mentioned the "romance" if thats even one that just looks like slavery to me |
Nov 16, 2023 11:46 AM
#26
Reply to elderonn
Akilis93 said:
@Monkey_D_Uzumaki I just dont get your twisted reasoning. Every character that ever was defeated/killed/stopped/sealed/prisoned whaterver the case, WAS defeated by plot, because author wanted this to happen.
Naruto beaten Pain because author wanted this to happen.
Gohan killed Cell because author wanted this to happen.
Aizen was sealed by Urahara because author wanted this to happen.
Jojo killed Dio because author wanted this to happen.
We can go on like this with basically every anime antagonist ever created. Everything that has ever happened to any of them was due to the plot. So each of theirs lose was because of plot. Because author creates the plot and makes anything he want to happen, happen. So what you are saying is that it's terrible writing when someone is being defeated XDD Cant' you see how stupid this is?
Give me one example of being defeated not by plot but by something else, please. I wonder how was anyone beaten other than by author's will, which is what plot is. Perhaps some characters lives by themselves, and they don't have author? XDDD
@Monkey_D_Uzumaki I just dont get your twisted reasoning. Every character that ever was defeated/killed/stopped/sealed/prisoned whaterver the case, WAS defeated by plot, because author wanted this to happen.
Naruto beaten Pain because author wanted this to happen.
Gohan killed Cell because author wanted this to happen.
Aizen was sealed by Urahara because author wanted this to happen.
Jojo killed Dio because author wanted this to happen.
We can go on like this with basically every anime antagonist ever created. Everything that has ever happened to any of them was due to the plot. So each of theirs lose was because of plot. Because author creates the plot and makes anything he want to happen, happen. So what you are saying is that it's terrible writing when someone is being defeated XDD Cant' you see how stupid this is?
Give me one example of being defeated not by plot but by something else, please. I wonder how was anyone beaten other than by author's will, which is what plot is. Perhaps some characters lives by themselves, and they don't have author? XDDD
FAA & lambdadelta.
@elderonn EYYYYY, we got a brother here. Did you mean lambdadelta from umineko? |
Nov 16, 2023 11:50 AM
#27
elderonn said: Akilis93 said: @Monkey_D_Uzumaki I just dont get your twisted reasoning. Every character that ever was defeated/killed/stopped/sealed/prisoned whaterver the case, WAS defeated by plot, because author wanted this to happen. Naruto beaten Pain because author wanted this to happen. Gohan killed Cell because author wanted this to happen. Aizen was sealed by Urahara because author wanted this to happen. Jojo killed Dio because author wanted this to happen. We can go on like this with basically every anime antagonist ever created. Everything that has ever happened to any of them was due to the plot. So each of theirs lose was because of plot. Because author creates the plot and makes anything he want to happen, happen. So what you are saying is that it's terrible writing when someone is being defeated XDD Cant' you see how stupid this is? Give me one example of being defeated not by plot but by something else, please. I wonder how was anyone beaten other than by author's will, which is what plot is. Perhaps some characters lives by themselves, and they don't have author? XDDD FAA & lambdadelta. Alright let me clarify. When I say “beaten by the plot” I am not referring to Isayama. It is understood that when a character is beaten, it is because the author wants that character to be beaten. The unwritten understood meaning of beaten by the plot is that they way that character was beaten was bullshit. For instance: Madara was beaten by the plot. His defeat was utter bullshit and wasn’t handled properly whatsoever. Light was beaten by the plot. His defeat was a deus ex machina by Near. Both of those characters were intended by the author to be beaten; however they way they went out was done poorly. That’s what “beaten by the plot” means. Think of it as the only reason this character lost is because the plot demanded for it; not because it played out in a logical manner. In the case of Eren, there is an unanswerable question for his loss. Answer me this without responding, “because of fate” (because this reason is bullshit and bad writing): Why didn’t Eren finish the rumbling? Why did he bother to even attempt such a thing as uniting the world, if he said out of his own mouth that he didn’t want to leave the fate of Paradis to chance? Why not just secure victory by killing everyone outside the walls? |
Nov 16, 2023 12:48 PM
#28
Yeah. Umineko all the way :) |
Nov 16, 2023 1:16 PM
#29
Reply to elderonn
Yeah. Umineko all the way :)
@elderonn Man, that shit gave me depression for 2 weeks. Goated though. Insane OSTs. |
Nov 16, 2023 6:56 PM
#30
Reply to Akilis93
@Monkey_D_Uzumaki I just dont get your twisted reasoning. Every character that ever was defeated/killed/stopped/sealed/prisoned whaterver the case, WAS defeated by plot, because author wanted this to happen.
Naruto beaten Pain because author wanted this to happen.
Gohan killed Cell because author wanted this to happen.
Aizen was sealed by Urahara because author wanted this to happen.
Jojo killed Dio because author wanted this to happen.
We can go on like this with basically every anime antagonist ever created. Everything that has ever happened to any of them was due to the plot. So each of theirs lose was because of plot. Because author creates the plot and makes anything he want to happen, happen. So what you are saying is that it's terrible writing when someone is being defeated XDD Cant' you see how stupid this is?
Give me one example of being defeated not by plot but by something else, please. I wonder how was anyone beaten other than by author's will, which is what plot is. Perhaps some characters lives by themselves, and they don't have author? XDDD
Naruto beaten Pain because author wanted this to happen.
Gohan killed Cell because author wanted this to happen.
Aizen was sealed by Urahara because author wanted this to happen.
Jojo killed Dio because author wanted this to happen.
We can go on like this with basically every anime antagonist ever created. Everything that has ever happened to any of them was due to the plot. So each of theirs lose was because of plot. Because author creates the plot and makes anything he want to happen, happen. So what you are saying is that it's terrible writing when someone is being defeated XDD Cant' you see how stupid this is?
Give me one example of being defeated not by plot but by something else, please. I wonder how was anyone beaten other than by author's will, which is what plot is. Perhaps some characters lives by themselves, and they don't have author? XDDD
@Akilis93 Lumping Eren as simple antagonist was just dumb. We all knew he wasn't just a antagonist and had more depth in previous seasons, with subtle character developments. And yes most protagonist are beaten by plot. I have no problem with Eren getting beaten or whatever. The problem I have is HOW he gets beaten. The answer is Ymir, the girl that got enslaved and abused to the extreme, who then we know she is in LOOOOVEEEE with the FRITZ, the same man who purged her village. SHE wanted to SEEE MI CASA to kill Eren, so she can move on after frickin 2000 YEARS from the LOVE. You cannot make this shit up. All of the build up, all of the sacrifices, all of the deaths lead to this. Which then we get to see the INFAMOUS necrophilic kiss right after from MI CASA. Can you see the frustration? Can you see the rage? Everything lead up to this... |
Nov 18, 2023 3:36 AM
#31
Reply to Pharqwad
I was just left confused by the manga reader's view of the ending after watching the anime ending myself, it was almost perfect imo.
And I don't think killing 80% of the population to make an era of peace for the lifetime of your friends(while killing himself) qualifies as a Disney ending lol
It did feel a bit convoluted but I think that's due to my simple brain and the way the released this damn series, which is really my only gripe.
And I don't think killing 80% of the population to make an era of peace for the lifetime of your friends(while killing himself) qualifies as a Disney ending lol
It did feel a bit convoluted but I think that's due to my simple brain and the way the released this damn series, which is really my only gripe.
@Pharqwad I agree, maybe manga readers wants a positive ending and Chad Eren. Imo the ending is near perfect and also I didn't have any problems with emotional Eren cause that's his character all along. My only complain is Eren dialogue should be better about accepting his love for Mikasa in front of Armin. Other then that it's perfect sad and hopefull. |
Nov 20, 2023 2:57 AM
#33
I’ve got the same problem you did with nobody dying but I still think the ending was pretty good, maybe even great. And this was also a problem in season 3 part 2 that you probably wouldn’t call a disney ending. We’ve only got the Scout’s commander dying in season 3 part 2 and Bertholt, the rest were just random scouts. In season 4 part 3 we lost Hange, Zeke and Eren and random 80% of humanity. I see the same problem in both of these part that could be considered as disney ending. And even after killing 80% of humanity, there was still conflict as we see Paradise’s army preparing to fight. But this conflict didn’t take place right there and then since most of humanity had to recover from the rumbling and Paradise wasn’t as advanced technologically as the rest of the world. They might not even have been able yet to build up without the help of the Azumabitos. Not liking it because you think it’s a disney ending doesn’t make sense if you liked season 3 part 2 considering the characters had plot armor back then too and because you think the conflicts stop for the rest of the characters’s life since it didn’t stop. There are some plot holes but the more time pass, the more I like the ending and can make sense of some of these plot holes. Some of the plot holes you just have to think about them a bit more to understand the meaning behind. The romance is kind of a meh. This part could have been done better. |
Nov 22, 2023 12:32 PM
#34
So basically you just don’t like the ending, not bc it’s bad, but it didn’t make you fantasy come true. Yeah, that’s what we call an opinion, but not bad writing. |
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Dec 10, 2023 1:58 AM
#35
Too many reasons One major reason is this scene essentially becomes useless because ymir still loved fritz and was ACTUALLY waiting for mikasa (hell the eren part is still tolerable but the mikasa part is so underdeveloped its irritating) That shithead isayama tried to copy the double protagonists (who are lovers and one of them is a lowkey psychotic human who yearns for freedom and has super special powers) dynamic from game of thrones but forgot to give good amounts of characterization to mikasa |
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