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Reply to ForeverTraitor
Interesting that the demons in this world are completely amoral. I'm curious if morality could even be taught to them because they must understand empathy in concept to be able to manipulate it in complex ways like the diplomats do.
| @ForeverTraitor Probably not. Empathy has two parts: 1) sharing feelings 2) understanding how someone feels 1 is out of instinct, 2 requires thought and sometimes judgment Since they lack 1, they can not base their morality on empathy. Morality towards humans just out of self preservation wouldn't work either, especially when their instinct is for humans to be prey. |
| This show has been a really great surprise this season. Frieren said what doesn't sound nice but is still true. Like trying to pet a Tiger you think is cuddly, not everything is going to cuddle you back. |
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| @watsym I agree that from what we've seen of them it seems unlikely, but I can think of several stories that have had a human predator unable to even comprehend morality, go on to develop at least some kind of emotional connection. It makes for more interesting storytelling too. "This race is inherently and unchangeably evil and the only solution to them is genocide" only goes so far, and Frieren does not feel like the show to commit to that when it's been pretty lighthearted and contemplative up to this point. I could be wrong of course. |
| any manga reader here? just want to know is fights good in this series. i mean stark vs dragon was good but now like we will see actual big fight (i am still enjoying the show Best this season but considering its a SOL kind of a show so don't know how big fights will turn out). |
| Wow, demons who are actually demons. Kind of rare as we often get demons with feelings and empathy. Frieren's gonna obliterate them with a yawn I suppose. |
| Fern's reaction to Frieren waking up early for once was very amusing! XD It was interesting to understand as to why elves are far and few between, as Frieren stated that her species lacks the romantic feelings and reproductive instincts to increase their population, hence why she comments that her race might be slowly going extinct. The main focus of the episode was of the demons and how Frieren says that they can't be reasoned with. While it did get her into and trouble and was taken into an dungeon cell (The way she was carried was funny, though), she told Fern and Stark about her encounter with one when she was with Himmel and the others in the past, where this demon was given a chance to atone by a village chief, only for him to be killed by the demon, leaving Himmel and Frieren with no choice but to kill the young demon in response. The scene involving the demon Lunger and his companions does show their overall goal to lower the town's defenses through negotiations, although one of them decided that he wanted to kill off Frieren, so he went off on his own to confront her. I'm certain that she'll put him in his place in the next episode, hopefully. =P |
| The depiction of demons as discussed in another thread is an excellent part of the anime. Frieren's dead set on demons not being able to communicate with humans for the greater good, but only to deceive. Aside from that, it is actually amazing how they make the smallest things in the anime, the most fun. Fren's reaction to Frieren waking up, Stark and Fren's conversation by the road etc. Well, it should be a great episode next week. |
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Reply to ForeverTraitor
@watsym I agree that from what we've seen of them it seems unlikely, but I can think of several stories that have had a human predator unable to even comprehend morality, go on to develop at least some kind of emotional connection.
It makes for more interesting storytelling too. "This race is inherently and unchangeably evil and the only solution to them is genocide" only goes so far, and Frieren does not feel like the show to commit to that when it's been pretty lighthearted and contemplative up to this point. I could be wrong of course.
It makes for more interesting storytelling too. "This race is inherently and unchangeably evil and the only solution to them is genocide" only goes so far, and Frieren does not feel like the show to commit to that when it's been pretty lighthearted and contemplative up to this point. I could be wrong of course.
| @ForeverTraitor It doesn't make make for more interesting storytelling. It just make interesting storytelling easier to write. How far author can get with "This race is inherently and unchangeably evil and the only solution to them is genocide" only depends on creators skill. As for demons in this anime, there is no point of trying apply our standard of good or evil on them as they are completely removed from such concepts in first place. Only human-like spieces can be evil, demons are only smart beasts that have human shape. |
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Reply to ArimaKana
The demons are irredeemable and are truly villains unlike in most animes. Elves lack reproductive instinct as how usually elves are shown except for that one blonde elf in that one anime.
| @ArimaKana Tolkien elves were actually pretty horny but were losing their sexual drive after getting a bunch of children (varied depending on each elf). |
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| "Frieren the Slayer"? Can't wait for doomin time. |
| Frieren confirmed for aro/ace, neat! Loved how demons were portrayed as evil itself and there wasn't some "we're different cultures" explanation like the Gargoyles from Ultima, they're predators, period. Also, couldn't help to start collecting the manga.  |
| Frieren the demon slayer next episode. |
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Reply to Silliarde
"We are not fairy tales, we really existed".
| @Silliarde beautiful ahh quote |
Reply to Anto8642
Really liked this episode, also is it me or was the little demon girl genuinely trying to correct her previous mistake? I didn't feel any real malice in what she did.
| @Anto8642 Because malice dont exist in their brain, aren't build in, they feel less variety of emotions than humans, simply as that |
| https://49.media.tumblr.com/5299dd90b5f4246f2275efd0ef740823/tumblr_nyag3qnY5M1qd6bkuo2_r1_500.gif Aqua--! There's a loli molesting me--! by Satou Kazuma |
Reply to ForeverTraitor
@watsym I agree that from what we've seen of them it seems unlikely, but I can think of several stories that have had a human predator unable to even comprehend morality, go on to develop at least some kind of emotional connection.
It makes for more interesting storytelling too. "This race is inherently and unchangeably evil and the only solution to them is genocide" only goes so far, and Frieren does not feel like the show to commit to that when it's been pretty lighthearted and contemplative up to this point. I could be wrong of course.
It makes for more interesting storytelling too. "This race is inherently and unchangeably evil and the only solution to them is genocide" only goes so far, and Frieren does not feel like the show to commit to that when it's been pretty lighthearted and contemplative up to this point. I could be wrong of course.
| @ForeverTraitor There's a massive difference between a human for whom not feeling emotions is a defect, and a species whose brain never evolved to even have the concept. The former is like a person who is born blind being cured to see, and the latter is like a human suddenly growing wings. There are already so many shows out there with the "demons are just misunderstood" trope that it's actually refreshing to see truly evil demons again. It's almost like people are conditioned into thinking this trope is necessary, whereas there is absolutely no need for it to always be the case. I don't see how this is "hard to pull off". Also, the last line of the episode is pretty epic. |
| another great episode. it's been a lil while since i've read the manga but "we are not fairy tales, we really existed" really hit me hard all over again. junichi suwabe as lugner, wow. that flashback was just great as well, the demons in this are very interesting and that ost hit. himmel can be a menace behind the sword when it counts. |
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Reply to Jonas-K
So elves don't have many romantic feelings and reproductive instincts? I wish human beings were like that too haha.
| @Jonas-K We would have gone extinct a very long time ago. We are partly here because of the opposite of which you wish for. I like existing, thank you, and I wish the same for others. |
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| Johan Liebert is a demon confirmed |
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Reply to Jonas-K
@Ausp I just made a joke... why everyone takes everything so seriously? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
| @Jonas-K Because I've been seeing other posters expressing very similar ideas here and on other forums. (In general and not necessarily in response to this anime or episode.) So, you made a joke about a point that many others have been observed to be serious about. It's easy to lump you in with them. I don't even know why you would make a joke about that if there isn't any serious consideration about it. At the same time, you're free to have your opinion. |
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| this anime is perfect. when she delivered "I'm stronger than Aura the Guillotine" i was sent |
| Squealer: My kind are neither slaves nor beasts. Judge: If you’re not beasts, then what are you? Squealer: WE ARE HUMANS!!! Watashitachi wa ningen da!!! |
erikkamirs said: Sensing a lot of anti-demon settlement around here... In seriousness, one of the fascinating points of the manga was their cutthroat depiction of demons. These guys are not human or even human-like. Also one of the demons reminds me of Johan Liebert from Monster. omg yes, his coldness adds so much to it too |
| Squealer: My kind are neither slaves nor beasts. Judge: If you’re not beasts, then what are you? Squealer: WE ARE HUMANS!!! Watashitachi wa ningen da!!! |
| Damn, Frieren got a lot more interesting when she was revealed to be a justified racist |
| I have an absolutely throbbing hard on for the next episode, so damn excited the blood is filling my corpous cavernosa |
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| A pretty slow episode but compelling one by the end, especially surrounding the natures of how demons are portrayed in this series and the complexities showcased with their behaviors and actions as a whole while having demons actually be portrayed as such. The music was stellar as usual throughout. |
| That last part is really badass eventhought its just a conversation |
| Moe is Love ! Moe is Life ! |
| Another episode, another roasting of Stark, poor guy can't catch a break. First time we're seeing demons with striking human resemblance, Frieren knows and doesn't hesitate to shoot on sight. Justifiably so given what we've seen of demons in this universe - no gray area, undeniably evil and manipulative at least so far. Pretty refreshing and curious to see if anything changes down the line. |
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| Can never trust those demons, they're all up to no good. |
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| Himmel's reason for getting all those statues made of them... <3. Damn, I love how Frieren casually tells the demon that came to kill her that she's stronger than Aura. Also, it's really interesting the way the demons are depicted here. I like it. |
| Frieren's closing line is awesome, just flexing how powerful she is. |
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