20 years

mouadchag said:
@ShamankinguYoh wich characterization problem and themes problems?

mouadchag said:
@ShamankinguYoh the only character who iam agree about is Bradley the other idk what are u talking about. Hohenime is just a side character in 2003 he dont have an arc like in broho so how he is wasted ? Aslo how dante was a bad vilain? And yeah the ending is not good but that have nothing to do with character.
Aslo the script of the show was plained from the start even the other side of the gate twist was forshadow early in the show.
I think you just dont notice.

SoldierDream said:
I watched this first version after Brotherhood and I ended up preferring it more. I do believe that Brotherhood has the better-developed storyline overall, in terms of progression and conclusion (its first 10-15 episodes are notoriously rushed because it happily assumed everyone had already seen the 2003 version which already did the introductory job), however, in terms of emotional weight and impact, it's well below its predecessor and that's why to me it can't have the edge over it. 2003 had this certain dark, melancholic mood and a more human approach that Brotherhood just could not replicate, which are to me elements much more valuable than just a well-thought, immaculate storyline.

ShamankinguYoh said:

Honestly it’s mostly just the fact that the characters were wasted and the narrative was very bad. Mustang, Bradley, Envy, Scar, Hohenheim and Winry really suffered from the poor planning and writing in this version. Dante was a bad villain. That’s not to mention how ridiculous the ending was and the fact that you have to watch a (bad) movie to get the series conclusion.

Khushal_v said:

we think of them as wasted because brotherhood version exist

if you look at 03 as total separate work it is really incredible

SoldierDream said:
I watched this first version after Brotherhood and I ended up preferring it more. I do believe that Brotherhood has the better-developed storyline overall, in terms of progression and conclusion (its first 10-15 episodes are notoriously rushed because it happily assumed everyone had already seen the 2003 version which already did the introductory job), however, in terms of emotional weight and impact, it's well below its predecessor and that's why to me it can't have the edge over it. 2003 had this certain dark, melancholic mood and a more human approach that Brotherhood just could not replicate, which are to me elements much more valuable than just a well-thought, immaculate storyline.

ShamankinguYoh said:

There are a lot of little things wrong with the story. And I disagree with the plot direction. One thing is they made it so Mustang was responsible for Winry’s parents death but they do absolutely nothing with that. Winry barely has a character or a presence. Dante comes out of nowhere in the end and dies in an extremely anticlimactic way. The story with Dante and Hohenheim is nonsensical and Envy being Ed’s half brother is ridiculous. There’s just so much wrong with the series. It’s just pretty bad in general. Nothing compared to the manga or brotherhood anime.

Loccon_Stratos said:

I don’t see how Dante being a lover from one of Hoenheim’s MANY lives and lifetimes is any less sensical than him growing a one eyed life form in a small bottle , and it taking his form after taking half the souls of Xerxes after being let out the bottle? If you just don’t like it because you like Brotherhood better just say that, but your arguments fall very flat, and I could make many nitpicks at brotherhood, as it was far from perfect. On top of which how does Dante come out of nowhere? If you paid attention to the show instead of hating it? You would’ve saw she was introduced before Hoenheim ever shows up as Izumi’s teacher. Come on man.

Loccon_Stratos said:

I don’t see how Dante being a lover from one of Hoenheim’s MANY lives and lifetimes is any less sensical than him growing a one eyed life form in a small bottle , and it taking his form after taking half the souls of Xerxes after being let out the bottle? I could make many nitpicks at brotherhood, as it wasn’t perfect. Also how does Dante come out of nowhere? she was introduced before Hoenheim ever shows up as Izumi’s teacher. Come on man.

ShamankinguYoh said:

Is it a nitpick that Winry is barely a character in this version? That they do nothing with the fact that Mustang is Winry’s parents killer? Or that it’s ridiculous how Bradley’s son so happens to decide to come back with his skull so Mustang can conveniently survive and kill him? That Envy being Ed’s half brother was stupid and added nothing? That they spent no time at all on Hohenheim in this version and his apparent relationship with Dante? How basically the entire cast is very underdeveloped except for the Elric brothers where the canon series is far more well rounded? These are minor nit picks?

ShamankinguYoh said:

Is it a nitpick that Winry is barely a character in this version? That they do nothing with the fact that Mustang is Winry’s parents killer? Or that it’s ridiculous how Bradley’s son so happens to decide to come back with his skull so Mustang can conveniently survive and kill him? That Envy being Ed’s half brother was stupid and added nothing? That they spent no time at all on Hohenheim in this version and his apparent relationship with Dante? How basically the entire cast is very underdeveloped except for the Elric brothers where the canon series is far more well rounded? These are minor nit picks?