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Sep 20, 2023 10:52 AM
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I agree, but I am sure its still a metric by which even long time anime viewers go by when press for time. "Uchi no Kaisha no Chiisai Senpai no Hanashi" is the latest to have a low score, but really any string of comedy shows that have released in the past have generally scored as if mediocre in quality. Is it an internal struggle that prevents some viewers from enjoying genuinely fun shows? lacking any sense of humor at the time, and/or a lack of sense for the common stay that is "culture"?

To bring other examples, if we recall Uzaki-Chan began with a low score and gradually recovered; specially after season 2. I think a similar situation happened with Nagatoro, but I could be wrong. Those aside, other great comedies like Kanojo Mo Kanojo, Aho Girl, and One Turn Kill Neesan still have seemingly mediocre scores. But they aren't mediocre imo, they were quite fun, and should be reevaluated for what they truly offer.

Well! Its all subjective really.. and it hardly matters much. But I wanted to put out my perspective on this and give some praise to My Tiny Senpai as I believe it deserves it. If you enjoyed shows like the ones I've mentioned above then I can confidently recommend My Tiny Senpai as the quality is as good and in some cases even a bit better.

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I usually look at the score first, anything under a 6 is usually pretty mediocre or generic. I think if you like the genres you should watch it instead of looking at the score. Some genres are at the moment lower rated than I think they should be, but it is mostly personal love for the genre in general.
Sep 20, 2023 11:23 AM
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Most anime fans in general are sheeps they don't think or analyze shows themselves! if a good bunch of people say something they will follow it blindly . My tiny senpai had some controversy at the start because of her body proportions people straight away joined the bandwagon to hate it . Also take vending machine anime the premise was weird but the show was actually pretty good but people didn't give it a chance because it's weird and rated it low even now after s2 announcement i saw people asking "just why"?
Sep 20, 2023 11:29 AM
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Ngl after watching things like jjk, zom 100, bungou stray dogs etc every week, its nice to watch something more relaxed and wholesome

But yh its defo better to watch the anime youself (or watch the trailers at the very least) instead of taking other peoples ratings at face value
Sep 20, 2023 11:30 AM
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hannibal_l said:
Most anime fans in general are sheeps they don't think or analyze shows themselves! if a good bunch of people say something they will follow it blindly . My tiny senpai had some controversy at the start because of her body proportions people straight away joined the bandwagon to hate it . Also take vending machine anime the premise was weird but the show was actually pretty good but people didn't give it a chance because it's weird and rated it low even now after s2 announcement i saw people asking "just why"?

Yh the vending machine i thought was gonna be a weird one after watching the trailer, but it actually turned out to be pretty decent imo
Sep 20, 2023 11:35 AM
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I usually look at the score first, anything under a 6 is usually pretty mediocre or generic. I think if you like the genres you should watch it instead of looking at the score. Some genres are at the moment lower rated than I think they should be, but it is mostly personal love for the genre in general.
@Razputaz
This is a very good guideline I think. I agree.

@hannibal_l
That is certainly the worst when shows suffer for something as irrelevant as that. Things like this is disingenuous and can even lead to less interesting shows making it to production because companies would no longer want to take risks on shows like My Tiny Senpai. These Shenanigans should be called out.

I am super booked with the comedies, but I will give Isekai Vending Machine a look as soon as a it clears a bit!

@Dabbingpotato

Right! these are shows that if you see their angle from the start and you relax into them, you will find plenty to enjoy. Often times these comedy shows have clever writing, good pacing, nice variety of scenes, fantastic voice acting and sometimes you might even get meaningful character development.


In the case of My Tiny Senpai you get a nice cast of eccentric, funny, cute characters. Accompanied by good drawing, animation and coloring (I think some of Project 9's best no?).
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Ratings are more a measure of popularity rather than quality.
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Honestly I used to care.

But now, everytime I open an anime page here on MAL, my brain just completely ignores the score, to the point that I can't even remember the score for any of the shows I recently watched.
Sep 20, 2023 11:50 AM
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When you think about ratings now a days it's only people voting for their fav anime and downvoting others which even if the anime is pretty good they give it a bad rating since it isn't "Their favourite anime"

That's why I find ratings for anime irrelevant especially those on MAL since at the top of ratings there are Mostly Shounen shows and the die hard fans can't accept something other than their fav show getting popular so they mass downvote it

I never look at things such as ratings or reviews if the anime is bad I'll watch and find out but never trust other peoples take too much

Shows like My tiny Senpai don't stand out much on ratings even tho they are pretty good in showcasing what the plot of the anime is
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Another example would be people such as this who give takes too early on ranting how the anime is bad when the show hasn't even reached half way through


It's the same as saying JJK season 2 is bad because it didn't show The main trio in the first few ep
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There’s an association between rating and quality I believe and this show is pretty average so a mid 6 rating from the population is appropriate.
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@lijahrobinson

A measure of popularity.. yes on that you could be right. And I would include even the written reviews.. those are even less reliable, and mostly amount to self projection dribble.

@MadanielFL

Good on you. I think thats for the best.

@Kidzuna

Right the die hard action fans that play favorites and hate on other shows they barely manage to engage with. Thats the part that is disingenuous for sure.

And yes that review from smshulz is deplorable. He says "he cannot fathom how they could continue" I am sure there are many things he cannot fathom, Haha! Ah geez.. this site is littered with reviews like this. Its ok if he had no fun with the show, but why bother writing such a paltry, half hearted review.
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I think generally the overall rating is a pretty good indicator. Aka, if it’s a 6-6.49, it’s indicative of a below average show, 6.5-6.9, is a decent show, 7-7.9 is a good show, and 8+ is a great show. It’s been pretty accurate imo. Anything below 6 is always trash. Of course ratings are subjective, so your opinion may vary, like for example Bocchi and Lycoris Recoil are extremely overrated imo but others disagree.
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There’s an association between rating and quality I believe and this show is pretty average so a mid 6 rating from the population is appropriate.
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Alright, where is the show lacking in quality? You can be as brief as you like, but give a couple of examples if possible.
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A rating IS a general consensus, you know.
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@TokeiSenpai

Alright, where is the show lacking in quality? You can be as brief as you like, but give a couple of examples if possible.

Personally, Senpai herself brought this series to a 6 imo after her brain degraded to that of a 5th grader. Seriously, the fact that she assumed she would have no control over her emotions at work if she were to start a relationship with her Kouhai is ridiculous. Unnecessary way for her to “kouhaizone” him. Had she actually not have any feelings for him, the premature rejection would’ve been understandable.
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I think generally the overall rating is a pretty good indicator. Aka, if it’s a 6-6.49, it’s indicative of a below average show, 6.5-6.9, is a decent show, 7-7.9 is a good show, and 8+ is a great show. It’s been pretty accurate imo. Anything below 6 is always trash. Of course ratings are subjective, so your opinion may vary, like for example Bocchi and Lycoris Recoil are extremely overrated imo but others disagree.
@Animillion

"6-6.49, it’s indicative of a below average show, 6.5-6.9, is a decent show, 7-7.9 is a good show, and 8+ is a great show. It’s been pretty accurate imo."

Yes that sounds about how I see it too.

I will add to that though that particularly for comedies their actual qualities are overlooked. If these comedies were more closely considered for what they offer within their genre, they would in some cases sit at the very least in the "good show" bracket, and in the case of a really underrated comedy.. deliver a "great show" bracket sort of experience (particularly for lovers of the genre). This is where I see a breach in consistency as far as scores go. That aside I agree with your assessment of current score perception.
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LordKirkis said:
I agree, but I am sure its still a metric by which even long time anime viewers go by when press for time. "Uchi no Kaisha no Chiisai Senpai no Hanashi" is the latest to have a low score, but really any string of comedy shows that have released in the past have generally scored as if mediocre in quality. Is it an internal struggle that prevents some viewers from enjoying genuinely fun shows? lacking any sense of humor at the time, and/or a lack of sense for the common stay that is "culture"?

To bring other examples, if we recall Uzaki-Chan began with a low score and gradually recovered; specially after season 2. I think a similar situation happened with Nagatoro, but I could be wrong. Those aside, other great comedies like Kanojo Mo Kanojo, Aho Girl, and One Turn Kill Neesan still have seemingly mediocre scores. But they aren't mediocre imo, they were quite fun, and should be reevaluated for what they truly offer.

Well! Its all subjective really.. and it hardly matters much. But I wanted to put out my perspective on this and give some praise to My Tiny Senpai as I believe it deserves it. If you enjoyed shows like the ones I've mentioned above then I can confidently recommend My Tiny Senpai as the quality is as good and in some cases even a bit better.


idk, i don’t think this show or the one you talked about deserved any higher rating than it has on MAL
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@TokeiSenpai

Alright, where is the show lacking in quality? You can be as brief as you like, but give a couple of examples if possible.

Personally, Senpai herself brought this series to a 6 imo after her brain degraded to that of a 5th grader. Seriously, the fact that she assumed she would have no control over her emotions at work if she were to start a relationship with her Kouhai is ridiculous. Unnecessary way for her to “kouhaizone” him. Had she actually not have any feelings for him, the premature rejection would’ve been understandable.
@Animillion See that part was unfortunate for Kouhai, that is true. But at the same time tells me that the show runners are leaving things open for another season. As far as the source material... its an indicator that there is yet more development and story to tell. Not a bad thing to continue a bit longer if its still enjoyable.
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"6-6.49, it’s indicative of a below average show, 6.5-6.9, is a decent show, 7-7.9 is a good show, and 8+ is a great show. It’s been pretty accurate imo."

Yes that sounds about how I see it too.

I will add to that though that particularly for comedies their actual qualities are overlooked. If these comedies were more closely considered for what they offer within their genre, they would in some cases sit at the very least in the "good show" bracket, and in the case of a really underrated comedy.. deliver a "great show" bracket sort of experience (particularly for lovers of the genre). This is where I see a breach in consistency as far as scores go. That aside I agree with your assessment of current score perception.

Comedy is subjective unlike good animation and action, so that can vary greatly.
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LordKirkis said:
I agree, but I am sure its still a metric by which even long time anime viewers go by when press for time. "Uchi no Kaisha no Chiisai Senpai no Hanashi" is the latest to have a low score, but really any string of comedy shows that have released in the past have generally scored as if mediocre in quality. Is it an internal struggle that prevents some viewers from enjoying genuinely fun shows? lacking any sense of humor at the time, and/or a lack of sense for the common stay that is "culture"?

To bring other examples, if we recall Uzaki-Chan began with a low score and gradually recovered; specially after season 2. I think a similar situation happened with Nagatoro, but I could be wrong. Those aside, other great comedies like Kanojo Mo Kanojo, Aho Girl, and One Turn Kill Neesan still have seemingly mediocre scores. But they aren't mediocre imo, they were quite fun, and should be reevaluated for what they truly offer.

Well! Its all subjective really.. and it hardly matters much. But I wanted to put out my perspective on this and give some praise to My Tiny Senpai as I believe it deserves it. If you enjoyed shows like the ones I've mentioned above then I can confidently recommend My Tiny Senpai as the quality is as good and in some cases even a bit better.


idk, i don’t think this show or the one you talked about deserved any higher rating than it has on MAL
@kyo_1

Within their genre? Yeah I can confidently say that they do.. a couple of very good comedies have insulting scores. Any random can go online and hand out any score they want even if they don't typically enjoy these kinds of shows. These reviewers at times don't have a sense for how these shows approach entertainment and misjudge their quality.
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"6-6.49, it’s indicative of a below average show, 6.5-6.9, is a decent show, 7-7.9 is a good show, and 8+ is a great show. It’s been pretty accurate imo."

Yes that sounds about how I see it too.

I will add to that though that particularly for comedies their actual qualities are overlooked. If these comedies were more closely considered for what they offer within their genre, they would in some cases sit at the very least in the "good show" bracket, and in the case of a really underrated comedy.. deliver a "great show" bracket sort of experience (particularly for lovers of the genre). This is where I see a breach in consistency as far as scores go. That aside I agree with your assessment of current score perception.

Comedy is subjective unlike good animation and action, so that can vary greatly.
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Comedy is subjective that is true. Good animation and action can also be highly subjective but those are a lot easier to judge empirically. So I definitely see your point.

With Comedy then I would suggest people focus on the format of the show.. and measure its quality comparatively to similar shows thats come before it. That sounds like work.. but I think some people might find themselves appreciating these shows a bit more for what they are.. which is just simple, fun, wholesome watch.
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@LordKirkis It is fun seeing people discuss anime on MAL without ranting like 5 year olds
These days I haven't seen much toxicity on anime threads and it feels good being able to talk about anime like civilised people keeping Shounen fans aside

Hope we will keep seeing threads such as these where people can actually talk and not insult each other in the future
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It's not really offensively bad or anything it's just that we've seen everything here like a thousand times before so anime fans are kinda getting sick of it. Nothing wrong with enjoying it but yeah mal scores are literally meaningless, the second something hits 9 stars fma and aot fans start review bombing it out of fear that it'll take the top spot. 90% of all mal reviews are from 2 fanbases that think mal scores have value despite the fact that they are actively decreasing said value by being idiots.
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Alright, where is the show lacking in quality? You can be as brief as you like, but give a couple of examples if possible.

For me? I find it kind of boring. I’ve liked several Project 9 rom-coms, Higehiro, Tanazaki-kun, Stepsister-Ex I all really enjoyed. This one doesn’t capture my attention as easily as those. To me, the primary indicator of a shows quality is whether or not you feel engaged throughout (how quickly does time pass while watching?) and I don’t feel it with these characters.
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@LordKirkis It is fun seeing people discuss anime on MAL without ranting like 5 year olds
These days I haven't seen much toxicity on anime threads and it feels good being able to talk about anime like civilised people keeping Shounen fans aside

Hope we will keep seeing threads such as these where people can actually talk and not insult each other in the future
@Kidzuna Defintely 100% agreed. Thanks for contributing to this post and glad you are enjoying this discussion.
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@LordKirkis It is fun seeing people discuss anime on MAL without ranting like 5 year olds
These days I haven't seen much toxicity on anime threads and it feels good being able to talk about anime like civilised people keeping Shounen fans aside

Hope we will keep seeing threads such as these where people can actually talk and not insult each other in the future

I wish these threads could exist for popular Shonen series as well. CSM threads were abhorrent
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Alright, where is the show lacking in quality? You can be as brief as you like, but give a couple of examples if possible.

For me? I find it kind of boring. I’ve liked several Project 9 rom-coms, Higehiro, Tanazaki-kun, Stepsister-Ex I all really enjoyed. This one doesn’t capture my attention as easily as those. To me, the primary indicator of a shows quality is whether or not you feel engaged throughout (how quickly does time pass while watching?) and I don’t feel it with these characters.
@TokeiSenpai Higehiro was great imo, but its a very different show from My Tiny Senpai given its more serious themes. Stepsister-Ex is a nice show, but it does lean more towards drama comparatively. In terms of writing and animation I don't believe think its quality is as good or clever as My Tiny Senpai. That I am almost certain of. I have not watched the other shows. All that said.. personal engagement is an important factor; In the end its what we currently wish to engage with that determines how much we would enjoy something.
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Within their genre? Yeah I can confidently say that they do.. a couple of very good comedies have insulting scores. Any random can go online and hand out any score they want even if they don't typically enjoy these kinds of shows. These reviewers at times don't have a sense for how these shows approach entertainment and misjudge their quality.

ye i agree there are some fantastic comedies that have a horribly low score. But shows like my tiny senpai and nagatoro are very deserving of at most a 6 imo. They’re all just run of the mill comedies. Not bad, just ok
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It's not really offensively bad or anything it's just that we've seen everything here like a thousand times before so anime fans are kinda getting sick of it. Nothing wrong with enjoying it but yeah mal scores are literally meaningless, the second something hits 9 stars fma and aot fans start review bombing it out of fear that it'll take the top spot. 90% of all mal reviews are from 2 fanbases that think mal scores have value despite the fact that they are actively decreasing said value by being idiots.
@MrBoomTop10Anime

Right a part of it is that some may tire of the format. And I can definitely understand it from that perspective. I'll say though that even then within these tired tropes there is clever, genuine efforts put into some of these shows that is very commendable and for this reason is why I am suggesting people watch between the lines and judge these kinds of shows within their format/class.
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Within their genre? Yeah I can confidently say that they do.. a couple of very good comedies have insulting scores. Any random can go online and hand out any score they want even if they don't typically enjoy these kinds of shows. These reviewers at times don't have a sense for how these shows approach entertainment and misjudge their quality.

ye i agree there are some fantastic comedies that have a horribly low score. But shows like my tiny senpai and nagatoro are very deserving of at most a 6 imo. They’re all just run of the mill comedies. Not bad, just ok
@kyo_1

In the case of Nagatoro I think the quality of the animation, drawing and color is above average for a show of its kind (particularly in the face detail and backgrounds). The writing can be very clever too, and the characters have nuances to them in how some can initially seem to be only childish, but then show a level of maturity with how they empathize. Meanwhile there is a consistent delivery of comedy, a steady pace of character development, and fantastic voice acting. At least.. that was my impression of it. I came into that show thinking I would not enjoy it, but I came away surprised and was glad to have given it a shot.
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In the case of Nagatoro I think the quality of the animation, drawing and color is above average for a show of its kind (particularly in the face detail and backgrounds). The writing can be very clever too, and the characters have nuances to them in how some can initially seem to be only childish, but then show a level of maturity with how they empathize. Meanwhile there is a consistent delivery of comedy, a steady pace of character development, and fantastic voice acting. At least.. that was my impression of it. I came into that show thinking I would not enjoy it, but I came away surprised and was glad to have given it a shot.

i came in expecting a 4 and came out being a 6. I think it was mainly just the personalities of the characters that annoy the hell out of me. I especially hate the nerdy trope like the mc.
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In the case of Nagatoro I think the quality of the animation, drawing and color is above average for a show of its kind (particularly in the face detail and backgrounds). The writing can be very clever too, and the characters have nuances to them in how some can initially seem to be only childish, but then show a level of maturity with how they empathize. Meanwhile there is a consistent delivery of comedy, a steady pace of character development, and fantastic voice acting. At least.. that was my impression of it. I came into that show thinking I would not enjoy it, but I came away surprised and was glad to have given it a shot.

i came in expecting a 4 and came out being a 6. I think it was mainly just the personalities of the characters that annoy the hell out of me. I especially hate the nerdy trope like the mc.
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Yes well Nagatoro and the gang were pretty grating at first. But they are all actually very sweet, caring bunch. Senpai's lack of backbone can also feel demoralizing, but for a young boy its not at all unrealistic, he has his merits too and even then sees some development. I would for these reasons, even when putting comedy aside, recommend Nagatoro.
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im a guy that enjoys turn your brain off anime junk food but even junk food atleast has to taste good
theres literally nothing good about my tiny senpai and fails at everything
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im a guy that enjoys turn your brain off anime junk food but even junk food atleast has to taste good
theres literally nothing good about my tiny senpai and fails at everything
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See but thats another problem; there is a preconception that these anime's are low tier or junk that you must turn your brain off to enjoy. They aren't that at all. It wouldn't be hard to find more nonsensical shows rated higher, seeing more popularity while taking all the shortcuts they could possibly take to form some sense into why its plots progress how they progress along with its awkward character motives.

The strength of shows like Nagatoro, Uzaki Chan, Kanojo mo Kanojo, My Tiny Senpai is in that they keep things simple, focusing on what they do best (comedy) while providing effective entertainment, with a degree of confidence, and consistency that comes off as effortless from a comedic stand point. The voice acting, along with how the scenes are written often leave me surprised by how consistently and effectively they entertain as the season episodes goes along.

Maybe I am really into these kinds of shows, but It could also be for that reason I see their qualities. And it could also be that they are indeed very well thought out and produced shows.
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Yes well Nagatoro and the gang were pretty grating at first. But they are all actually very sweet, caring bunch. Senpai's lack of backbone can also feel demoralizing, but for a young boy its not at all unrealistic, he has his merits too and even then sees some development. I would for these reasons, even when putting comedy aside, recommend Nagatoro.

ye, i’m not saying you shouldn’t watch it, i just personally don’t think it deserves higher than a 6 until i see all of them develop a bit more. Hopefully they continue to develop
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and you wonder why i pick random shows each season and just click plan to watch. i honestly don't care what others think about a show, because i'm my own judge.
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and you wonder why i pick random shows each season and just click plan to watch. i honestly don't care what others think about a show, because i'm my own judge.
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Not a bad approach I think!

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Fair enough. In any case no one experience is invalid.. but rather worth discussing when possible.
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I don’t go off of other people ratings. Everyone as different tastes. I decided for my self. I do check after I finish something just being curious before I score. The only thing that will detour me is the anime quality. If it is so bad it kinda looks like a half ass anime game . It’s a hard pass. Others that that I’ll probably watch it once even if it ends up being ok
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I don’t go off of other people ratings. Everyone as different tastes. I decided for my self. I do check after I finish something just being curious before I score. The only thing that will detour me is the anime quality. If it is so bad it kinda looks like a half ass anime game . It’s a hard pass. Others that that I’ll probably watch it once even if it ends up being ok
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Animation quality is sometimes a big tell, but not always the case. That said I don't fault anyone for being turned away by bad animation. Sometimes great animation is a higher priority.

Who here remembers Otonari no Tenshi-sama ni Itsunomanika Dame Ningen ni Sareteita Ken? Angel Next Door Spoils Me currently sitting at 7.86. I watched that show anticipating every episode and I can say I was highly engaged by how the story and characters would progress.. you could say I really enjoyed it for the most part, but do I believe it merits a 7.86? I don't think so. In the end Tenshi-sama did not provide enough entertainment or intrigue for me to rate it that high. The source material for that show is a Light Novel too... which is a much tougher adaptation to produce. My point in the case of Tenshi-sama then is that its a case of what is popular and what people currently want from shows, not so much the quality of a given show that scores may represent.
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As you get older you see demographics are destiny with ratings. Series that cater to both men and women, and are generally the tamest get the highest scores. This is also why mal scores quite frankly are useless in the grand scheme of things. Series that are ecchi obviously made to cater to men will get bad reviews from people outside the target demographic. When you go by mal ratings you accept everyones scores as genuine whether they be a 12 year old newbie, a bot, or a 80 year old granny. Reminds me a lot of how people treat metacritic game reviews as scripture. My advise is watch what you think will interest you regardless of ratings.
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As you get older you see demographics are destiny with ratings. Series that cater to both men and women, and are generally the tamest get the highest scores. This is also why mal scores quite frankly are useless in the grand scheme of things. Series that are ecchi obviously made to cater to men will get bad reviews from people outside the target demographic. When you go by mal ratings you accept everyones scores as genuine whether they be a 12 year old newbie, a bot, or a 80 year old granny. Reminds me a lot of how people treat metacritic game reviews as scripture. My advise is watch what you think will interest you regardless of ratings.
@rohan121 I did not consider the potential demographic of MAL tbh, when you frame it that way.. you can better see how scores could go a certain way for certain shows. Besides that you make some other good points. And yes Metacritic scores are a hot mess often subject to review bombing by opposing crowds. I guess though in our own way we do manage to navigate through it all. In the end it must go to the tried and true method of watching and judging for yourself.
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@LordKirkis It is fun seeing people discuss anime on MAL without ranting like 5 year olds
These days I haven't seen much toxicity on anime threads and it feels good being able to talk about anime like civilised people keeping Shounen fans aside

Hope we will keep seeing threads such as these where people can actually talk and not insult each other in the future

I wish these threads could exist for popular Shonen series as well. CSM threads were abhorrent
@Animillion CSM is a super popular show so the discussions on those boards must of been a bloodbath. I have not watched the show yet unfortunately.
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Same as madanieFL, older times score can be good indicator but for now it's either because people lazy reading basic information or treat it as something not important so watch wrong kind of anime or just hate it. Some people also want quick development like it was a 1 shot source materials. Idk if they aware or not if it end that fast that mean it will not get any 2nd season because it's already the end.
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Yep I too have stopped giving a shit about MAL ratings about early this year bc shows like Dangers in my Heart had such a low score it had like a 6.80 rating and I was like this show deserves a higher rating like 8 for example. Now that the show ended it ended up with a final score of 8.31🤩

I’ve noticed that animes that are rated 6.00-6.49 are good/enjoyable (like my one hit kill sister) while 6.50-7.00 mean it’s enjoyable and fairly more decent (like Kamikatsu or The Legendary Hero is Dead)😫🔥🔥🔥🔥 [those are shows that got shitted heavily yet we’re really enjoyable]

I’ve literally come to the conclusion that ppl never give a show a chance and simply judge a book by its cover and ride the hate train and give it a bad rating without letting all the episode air first, the “first 3 episode rule” is such a flaw that makes ppl turn off a show when it’s just getting good🤦🏽‍♂️😕😕😕
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Yep I too have stopped giving a shit about MAL ratings about early this year bc shows like Dangers in my Heart had such a low score it had like a 6.80 rating and I was like this show deserves a higher rating like 8 for example. Now that the show ended it ended up with a final score of 8.31🤩

I’ve noticed that animes that are rated 6.00-6.49 are good/enjoyable (like my one hit kill sister) while 6.50-7.00 mean it’s enjoyable and fairly more decent (like Kamikatsu or The Legendary Hero is Dead)😫🔥🔥🔥🔥 [those are shows that got shitted heavily yet we’re really enjoyable]

I’ve literally come to the conclusion that ppl never give a show a chance and simply judge a book by its cover and ride the hate train and give it a bad rating without letting all the episode air first, the “first 3 episode rule” is such a flaw that makes ppl turn off a show when it’s just getting good🤦🏽‍♂️😕😕😕
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EXACTLY. Perfect example of baseless, initial hate. Thankfully In the case of Dangers in my Heart.. the quality of that show was enough to put those absurd scores to rest. That show is definitely at least an 8 imo. Wish a bit of that respect was put on One hit Kill Neesan. Then again.. not everyone would find a thirsty Neesan hilarious xD. Kilmaria the demon and standby Neesan was amazingly fun too! In fact many of the characters in that show were super enjoyable to watch. Great shows imo for sure!
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If a series is like between 6.5 and 7.5 then I'd say its more subjective in terms of whether you'd enjoy it or not. Obviously if a series is in the high 7s or 8+ then it's guaranteed to be a banger imo

I'd just usually judge whether I want to watch something by either watching a single ep, reading the synopsis or looking at the most read reviews. If all is well then I'd watch it
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EXACTLY. Perfect example of baseless, initial hate. Thankfully In the case of Dangers in my Heart.. the quality of that show was enough to put those absurd scores to rest. That show is definitely at least an 8 imo. Wish a bit of that respect was put on One hit Kill Neesan. Then again.. not everyone would find a thirsty Neesan hilarious xD. Kilmaria the demon and standby Neesan was amazingly fun too! In fact many of the characters in that show were super enjoyable to watch. Great shows imo for sure!

EXACTLY fam those scores completely shut down the baseless haters who base their entire score on 3 episodes😭😭

And Kilmaria was also my FAVOURITE character in the show🤩 and then again I do understand most ppl wouldn’t find Neesan’s thirstyness for her bro hilarious, but ppl don’t know that they toned down that part of Neesan as the show progressed which made the show even better :D
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Things that aren't too deep or esoteric, but still congratulate middling IQs in subtle ways get the highest scores.
see https://myanimelist.net/anime/44/Rurouni_Kenshin__Meiji_Kenkaku_Romantan_-_Tsuioku-hen
Almost at a 9 rating, and generally regarded as one of the best things in anime. But all it is is a pastiche animated repackaging of dark chambara melodramas from the 60s directed by guys like Kobayashi, Okamoto, etc.
Is it BAD? No. But when viewers go into it having only the context of the TV or manga version of Kenshin (which are full of broad 90s slapstick humor and shonen tropes) and get a grim, morally ambiguous OVA that does a lot of gesturing at quiet poignancy and "depth," the viewer gets an artificial sensation of having penetrated the "surface" of what anime has to offer. It allows viewers to congratulate themselves, so it gets extremely high ratings.

The bias against dumb comedy is just the inverse of that phenomenon. Postmodernism says that art comes from uncertainty, moral ambiguity, suffering, the tension of boundaries being indistinct, etc; so, a midwit sees a dumb comedy show as the opposite of art, and something that carries low or negative cultural cache.

Nostalgia and pure familiarity also play a role. FLCL's rating hovers around an 8, because it's a good OVA everybody saw on adult swim. Diebuster, which is cut from the same cloth (frankly equally good, made by much of the same staff who did FLCL, similar art style, similar short form, visual storytelling approach, etc) has a score in the mid 7s. So that's half a point lower just because not everybody saw it on toonami in the mid 2000s.
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Things that aren't too deep or esoteric, but still congratulate middling IQs in subtle ways get the highest scores.
see https://myanimelist.net/anime/44/Rurouni_Kenshin__Meiji_Kenkaku_Romantan_-_Tsuioku-hen
Almost at a 9 rating, and generally regarded as one of the best things in anime. But all it is is a pastiche animated repackaging of dark chambara melodramas from the 60s directed by guys like Kobayashi, Okamoto, etc.
Is it BAD? No. But when viewers go into it having only the context of the TV or manga version of Kenshin (which are full of broad 90s slapstick humor and shonen tropes) and get a grim, morally ambiguous OVA that does a lot of gesturing at quiet poignancy and "depth," the viewer gets an artificial sensation of having penetrated the "surface" of what anime has to offer. It allows viewers to congratulate themselves, so it gets extremely high ratings.

The bias against dumb comedy is just the inverse of that phenomenon. Postmodernism says that art comes from uncertainty, moral ambiguity, suffering, the tension of boundaries being indistinct, etc; so, a midwit sees a dumb comedy show as the opposite of art, and something that carries low or negative cultural cache.

Nostalgia and pure familiarity also play a role. FLCL's rating hovers around an 8, because it's a good OVA everybody saw on adult swim. Diebuster, which is cut from the same cloth (frankly equally good, made by much of the same staff who did FLCL, similar art style, similar short form, visual storytelling approach, etc) has a score in the mid 7s. So that's half a point lower just because not everybody saw it on toonami in the mid 2000s.
Well to be fair its not the easiest thing to tread between the lines when it comes to complexity of narrative and themes in a given show. To the credit of that Ruroni Kenshin OVA series... It did for its time have excellent animation, musical score, action, good violence and an intriguing backstory to a well known character who's past as you suggest, was portrayed simply. Is it the best thing in anime? Probably not! But to its credit keeping it simple was likely the intent so as to reach as many viewers as possible. Not to say there weren't some nuances.. I am sure some fans could argue there were a couple of notable instances.

Now as far as bias against dumb comedy as an inverse of the phenomenon you discuss.. well I can see that being relevant here. Postmodernism and how that relates to how art is viewed today is an interesting thought. My opinion on that is that its a pretty shallow way to view art. Art definitely comes in near infinite amount of shape or form.. everyone should realize that. That is certainly true of comedy in anime.. comedy itself is a carefully crafted art, like any other forms of art it takes practice, talent, and skill. I have plenty of respect for the talent that make comedy in anime show possible and respect for the many talented voice actors that help bring the characters to life.

I did not see Diebuster but really enjoyed FLCL. I will add that to my watch list. Thanks for your thoughts!
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