It is me or its very cringe?

PeripheralVision said:
This idea of requiring people to finish reading a work is completely unrealistic standard to judge most works, honestly. Most of us do not not even do this in real life beyond fiction. To quote someone reviewing a fantasy series
It is one thing to judge a book in the first three sentences or an anime in the first 4 minutes, but it is generally agreed that there is a fixed amount of time that would needed to invest in a work to see if it is appealing or well-written. 400 pages is more than enough to establish characters, a narrative, or some kind of hook. Likewise, many people think three episodes are enough to determine whether an anime is well-written or at the very least worth pursuing.

Three episodes, amount to little more than hour of screentime, is not comparable to three scenes in a film. You can disagree whether or not the three episode rule is a reasonable limit to set, but I doubt you finished every book you read or every film you have seen, and I disagree that this standard should be the litmus test with whether or not to take someone's opinion seriously. At they very least, I think you would agree that if I watched the first 99 percent of a film and found it horrible, that I am not being shortsighted because I did not see the very last minute.

OT: There are some behavioral issues I take with him, or rather how the story seems to romanticize some of his "romantic behavior", but in terms of cringe they are teenagers. I expected as much.

ejleon said:

Completely fine for anyone to stop any time they want. This was never the issue, so please stop changing the subject. This isn’t about forcing the idea of people finishing everything they start against their will.

And this is also not about having time either, that is handled by time management for each person, if you are too lazy to do this, that’s not my fault.

My point is that people who don’t observe the entire product, should not rate / review the product as if they had, that is unfair, for the reasons I’ll explain.

As I said …

— There are anime where the first 3 episodes are not that good, but the entire anime altogether is good once finished.

And on the other hand  …

— There are anime where the first 3 episodes are good, but the entire anime altogether was terrible.

The problem is that I leaned this from continue the anime and finishing the full series.

But you are still ignorant of this, because you did not finish the anime.

How do you address this issue?

People rating actually good anime bad, because they just didn’t like the first 3 episodes, but other people rating it good when they finish the entire anime.

This completely messes up the MAL Rating & Review system.

I solved it by saying that people can stop an anime any time they want, but only when a person finishes the entire anime, does an option to rate and review the anime comes up.

This would make this fair and even.

And yes, I do make a point to finish everything I start, aside for other issues preventing me.

At they very least, I think you would agree that if I watched the first 99 percent of a film and found it horrible, that I am not being shortsighted because I did not see the very last minute.

ejleon said:

The first episode actually does a good job of setting up the backdrop for the story and why two completely different people end up in the most unlikely state of being in love.

The boy with an obsession for murder, no friends, and hates all the students, especially the girl that he believes is a horrible person, actually learns first hand not to judge a book by its cover and to actually get to know people.

After getting to know her, and her him, they start to help each, like each other, become friends, and end up developing feelings for one another.

There interaction is actually funny and cute once as their really getting to know each other.

PeripheralVision said:
You completely miss my point, which was again:

If the first 100 minutes of a 101 minute film are horrible, is it so shortsighted for me to say this film is horrible in my view because I did not bother watching the last minute? You can disagree if three episodes is enough, but at the same time, saying that the last minute must be so important compared to the preceding 100 minutes is completely insane.

It is a strawmen to suggest that I was believing you to be advocating for some law where people are forced to watch an anime to completion. I am saying that only accounting the scores for people who completely finish a series would skew the data the other way. Please take the time to understand my argument Ejleon. I clearly understand your argument.

Many people willing to sit through an entire film may be fans of the film or the materials, but they may not represent a majority of the audience, many of whom may have walked out for some reason.

For example, say 70% of the audience walked out at the last 20 minutes of a 2 hour film, and their average score was a 3. The 30% who liked it enough to stay the entire duration who rate it a 10. Now by your logic, this hypothetical film should be a 10, despite being disinteresting to a majority of the audience, whereas by my calculation it would be ~5. Do you still agree that the 70% of people who walked out have opinions that should be discarded because they did not see the entirety, despite seeing well over three-quarters of a film? I could hypothetically have a poorly acted play that has good actors in the last scene. Are the previous scenes irrelevant due to the aformentioned one good scene? I think not.

(Films like Black Christmas (2019) are an example of a film which has an audience that it panders to. For television series, Brickleberry and Paradise PD are shows with a fanbase whose crude humor is serviced well by said shows)

Again, I hate to talk down to you, but again, you made such an unreasonable amount of assumptions regarding me attempting to "change the topic". You can disagree whether or not three episodes is enough. I myself think that three episodes would depend on the series. At the same time, the other extreme is so demanding for works that might not otherwise deserve it. I think there is a clear middle ground here. Should One Piece be unrated simply because it still airing? 

This of course depends on the series, its themes, and its genres. Slice of life Iyashikei series do not have the narrative that mysteries do. Because of this, the importance of finishing a mystery greatly outweighs that of finishing a slice of life focused on having quote unquote "good vibes".

If you cannot write a good story in 400 pages or a thousand pages, then the next 400 or a thousand pages are likely to not be as good. Like it or not, the beginning of a story affects the quality. Again, whether or not you think 3 episodes is enough is one thing, but the idea that one cannot draw any judgements for any body of work until the very last minute is insanity. You can certainly say to yourself "well, I finished everything, why should not others", but I think this is an unreasonable standard to hold yourself to as well as most people who don't have time to waste on a director or writer unable to write good material up until the last minute.

ejleon said:

3 episodes is 25% of the anime not 99% so you are not being fair
You point is invalid

PeripheralVision said:


You can argue where the limit should lie, either between 25 percent or 99 percent, but you should realize that 100% is also being unfair as it skewed towards the other side. You should not care so much about scores and critics reviews in the first place, enough to suggest a rule of "discount every reviewer who has not watched literally 100 percent of the film".

That is literally my point Ejleon. Your standard is not realistic or fair., and you appear to only argue for this to boost the score of this anime you just happen to like, without realizing that nearly every other anime would get so fundamentally a boost whereas series like One Piece and Detective Conan would not be ranked for the decades they ran. How is it fair to those other series? How would it be fair to keep Attack on Titan scores from being shown to other users by your logic of "the narrative never finished" for what, a decade?

You are not stupid for being wrong, but this is highly unrealistic. Again. If you can't write a good enough hook in 400 pages, maybe you are just a terrible writer.