All downhill from here?

Polvo_Aranha said:
Actually the lowest point is when Zangetsu reveals his true identity. If you didn't hate that for not making any sense like everybody else when that happened in the manga, you can't possibly hate anything that happens after that.

Sebas989 said:

how did it not make sense?

Polvo_Aranha said:

To begin with, the hollow side came from his Quincy mother. It would make way more sense that power was fused to this Quincy side, that was infected and became "impure", not his Shinigami side, to begin with.

Also, his own hollow side always tried to overthrone and sabotage him. How the f*ck could that caged beast being his Zanpakutō? It would make way more sense if that was also the fragment of the b@stard who would become an enemy later.

Also, there is a thing that happens later that won't make any sense unless his Quincy and Hollow sides are one same entity.

Sebas989 said:

nah it wouldn't make sense since hollows and quincies are basically water and oil they don't mix what so ever also no you have it backwards hollow ichigo was actually always protecting ichigo. him taking over in ulq fight was literally him protecting ichigo, white was never evil he was part of ichigo that he had to accept. old man zangetsu being the manifestation of yhwach makes a lot more sense because he is the manifestation of ichigo's quincy powers.

dxmheaven said:
Honestly didn’t care that ichimid stopped showing up

Polvo_Aranha said:
Actually the lowest point is when Zangetsu reveals his true identity. If you didn't hate that for not making any sense like everybody else when that happened in the manga, you can't possibly hate anything that happens after that.

Polvo_Aranha said:
Actually the lowest point is when Zangetsu reveals his true identity. If you didn't hate that for not making any sense like everybody else when that happened in the manga, you can't possibly hate anything that happens after that.

scabab said:
I finished the first season today and it was real good, nice to have the show back after so long.

Though for anyone that read the manga or remembers it at all, it was literally from the point where Season 2 will begin where the manga went on to become complete and utter garbage.

It's been years now so it may be hard to remember for most but back when the manga was running weekly, fans were not impressed with the Lost Shinigami arc, it was where the manga sales and TV ratings really began to drop which is surely why the anime ended up being cancelled in the first place.

The Thousand Year Blood War arc began and at least initially people thought it was a huge step up, the best the manga had been for a good while as people were already starting to turn against it towards the end of the Fake Kurakawa Town arc. Obviously this anime covered all that so is why it was pretty good itself.

However once that second Sternritter arc started it went downhill big time, the manga sales dropped off faster than ever. The whole manga just purely revolved around nothing but all these secondary soul reaper characters fighting fodder Sternritter characters that nobody cared about and there were countless numbers of these fights each of which went on for week after week after week.

One of the most vocal complaints people had and this will be very interesting to see how it plays out in the next season is that Ichigo, the main character, barely even appeared anymore. The manga would go sometimes months without him making an appearance. If the second season is another 13 episodes and has similar pacing then Ichigo will hardly appear.

Season 1 ended at chapter 542. He didn't appear again until chapter 555 where he appeared briefly to set off for the battle....and then wasn't seen again until chapter 582. A span of 40 chapters were he made one appearance. Season 1 only covered 60 chapters itself.

ShamankinguYoh said:
The whole series is a mess. People only like it because nostalgia and great art style/ character design. That’s it.

scabab said:
I finished the first season today and it was real good, nice to have the show back after so long.

Though for anyone that read the manga or remembers it at all, it was literally from the point where Season 2 will begin where the manga went on to become complete and utter garbage.

It's been years now so it may be hard to remember for most but back when the manga was running weekly, fans were not impressed with the Lost Shinigami arc, it was where the manga sales and TV ratings really began to drop which is surely why the anime ended up being cancelled in the first place.

The Thousand Year Blood War arc began and at least initially people thought it was a huge step up, the best the manga had been for a good while as people were already starting to turn against it towards the end of the Fake Kurakawa Town arc. Obviously this anime covered all that so is why it was pretty good itself.

However once that second Sternritter arc started it went downhill big time, the manga sales dropped off faster than ever. The whole manga just purely revolved around nothing but all these secondary soul reaper characters fighting fodder Sternritter characters that nobody cared about and there were countless numbers of these fights each of which went on for week after week after week.

One of the most vocal complaints people had and this will be very interesting to see how it plays out in the next season is that Ichigo, the main character, barely even appeared anymore. The manga would go sometimes months without him making an appearance. If the second season is another 13 episodes and has similar pacing then Ichigo will hardly appear.

Season 1 ended at chapter 542. He didn't appear again until chapter 555 where he appeared briefly to set off for the battle....and then wasn't seen again until chapter 582. A span of 40 chapters were he made one appearance. Season 1 only covered 60 chapters itself.

ShamankinguYoh said:
The whole series is a mess. People only like it because nostalgia and great art style/ character design. That’s it.

saketsahu said:

nothing is perfect bro and why do you even care about other liking it ,if you dont like it just remove it from you database

scabab said:
I finished the first season today and it was real good, nice to have the show back after so long.

Though for anyone that read the manga or remembers it at all, it was literally from the point where Season 2 will begin where the manga went on to become complete and utter garbage.

It's been years now so it may be hard to remember for most but back when the manga was running weekly, fans were not impressed with the Lost Shinigami arc, it was where the manga sales and TV ratings really began to drop which is surely why the anime ended up being cancelled in the first place.

The Thousand Year Blood War arc began and at least initially people thought it was a huge step up, the best the manga had been for a good while as people were already starting to turn against it towards the end of the Fake Kurakawa Town arc. Obviously this anime covered all that so is why it was pretty good itself.

However once that second Sternritter arc started it went downhill big time, the manga sales dropped off faster than ever. The whole manga just purely revolved around nothing but all these secondary soul reaper characters fighting fodder Sternritter characters that nobody cared about and there were countless numbers of these fights each of which went on for week after week after week.

One of the most vocal complaints people had and this will be very interesting to see how it plays out in the next season is that Ichigo, the main character, barely even appeared anymore. The manga would go sometimes months without him making an appearance. If the second season is another 13 episodes and has similar pacing then Ichigo will hardly appear.

Season 1 ended at chapter 542. He didn't appear again until chapter 555 where he appeared briefly to set off for the battle....and then wasn't seen again until chapter 582. A span of 40 chapters were he made one appearance. Season 1 only covered 60 chapters itself.

Cestlavie_ said:
I hope they change some things in the arc compared to the manga,

Cause the way the thousand year blood war ended makes AOT&TPN endings seems like a masterpiece , still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth

Polvo_Aranha said:
Actually the lowest point is when Zangetsu reveals his true identity. If you didn't hate that for not making any sense like everybody else when that happened in the manga, you can't possibly hate anything that happens after that.

Archdruidman said:

Hold up, this is literally just a non-sequitur, he never said that this show should be perfect. He was also implying that others like it based on superficial reason and not on the fundamental story and characters. Also, let people hate things, im not sure why the moment somebody has even a little criticism of a show someone likes they say “Just dont watch it”. Are people not allowed to critique shit anymore, cause it certainly seems like you think that.

4Channer said:

With normie taste like yours, I don't think you have any grounds to talk about objectivity. I can tell you browse reddit based on your profile.

Sebas989 said:

nah it wouldn't make sense since hollows and quincies are basically water and oil they don't mix what so ever also no you have it backwards hollow ichigo was actually always protecting ichigo. him taking over in ulq fight was literally him protecting ichigo, white was never evil he was part of ichigo that he had to accept. old man zangetsu being the manifestation of yhwach makes a lot more sense because he is the manifestation of ichigo's quincy powers.

scabab said:
I finished the first season today and it was real good, nice to have the show back after so long.

Though for anyone that read the manga or remembers it at all, it was literally from the point where Season 2 will begin where the manga went on to become complete and utter garbage.

It's been years now so it may be hard to remember for most but back when the manga was running weekly, fans were not impressed with the Lost Shinigami arc, it was where the manga sales and TV ratings really began to drop which is surely why the anime ended up being cancelled in the first place.

The Thousand Year Blood War arc began and at least initially people thought it was a huge step up, the best the manga had been for a good while as people were already starting to turn against it towards the end of the Fake Kurakawa Town arc. Obviously this anime covered all that so is why it was pretty good itself.

However once that second Sternritter arc started it went downhill big time, the manga sales dropped off faster than ever. The whole manga just purely revolved around nothing but all these secondary soul reaper characters fighting fodder Sternritter characters that nobody cared about and there were countless numbers of these fights each of which went on for week after week after week.

One of the most vocal complaints people had and this will be very interesting to see how it plays out in the next season is that Ichigo, the main character, barely even appeared anymore. The manga would go sometimes months without him making an appearance. If the second season is another 13 episodes and has similar pacing then Ichigo will hardly appear.

Season 1 ended at chapter 542. He didn't appear again until chapter 555 where he appeared briefly to set off for the battle....and then wasn't seen again until chapter 582. A span of 40 chapters were he made one appearance. Season 1 only covered 60 chapters itself.

kaneki-ken1 said:

zangetsu was always white .....it was foreshadowed since the beginning buddy

4Channer said:
Speedreaders have been a disaster for manga discourse. I'd tell you to reread all 686 chapters of the manga again but we don't know if you'd be able to understand it. Bleach is after all a sophisticated battle shonen that takes inspiration from high art such as philosophy and literature and is rife with symbolism, allegories and other literary devices. It's not your stereotypical low IQ battle shonen and that's why you see so many shonentards hating it; they want it to be something it's not.

Bolt4ever said:

It's been shown before that white doesn't just want to outright kill ichigo
Even when ichigo tried to confront his inner hollow and control it's power
White wasn't tryna fight ichigo to take over he was tryna get ichigo to accept his inner fighting insict
Lol did you forget about the king horse speech?
Lol that's basically white educating Ichigo tryna make him man enough to wield that power and embracing his killer instinct
White has always protected Ichigo
Renji fight
Ulquoirra
Byakuya you name it
Yes he's always protected Ichigo but he also wanted to coexist and be accepted by ichigo which ichigo at first refused to only finally accepting him as a part of himself in the "Blade is me" episode beautiful stuff btw

Bolt4ever said:

It's been shown before that white doesn't just want to outright kill ichigo
Even when ichigo tried to confront his inner hollow and control it's power
White wasn't tryna fight ichigo to take over he was tryna get ichigo to accept his inner fighting insict
Lol did you forget about the king horse speech?
Lol that's basically white educating Ichigo tryna make him man enough to wield that power and embracing his killer instinct
White has always protected Ichigo
Renji fight
Ulquoirra
Byakuya you name it
Yes he's always protected Ichigo but he also wanted to coexist and be accepted by ichigo which ichigo at first refused to only finally accepting him as a part of himself in the "Blade is me" episode beautiful stuff btw

4Channer said:
Nah, this is an objectively wrong take. You see, the problem with AoT and TPN's ending are that they are fundamentally, on a conceptual level, viscous waste. You will need to overhaul their entire structure to create something palatable out of them. The difference between them and BLEACH is that Kubo was simply on a time crunch due to external factors when wrapping up his own story; it is still conceptually powerful because it is thematically strong and poetic. Kubo simply needs to elaborate on the massive streamlining he undertook via simple additions to the ending rather than rewriting things (and he will).

Also, I don't know how the BLEACH ending can leave such a bitter taste in your mouth but Naruto's doesn't when it's essentially a worse version of AoT by an order of magnitude. The Black Zetsu reveal and everything following it is the worst retcon in animanga history and the 4GNW is the worst arc in shonen history. Naruto lacks any thematic consistency.

Speedreaders have been a disaster for manga discourse. I'd tell you to reread all 686 chapters of the manga again but we don't know if you'd be able to understand it. Bleach is after all a sophisticated battle shonen that takes inspiration from high art such as philosophy and literature and is rife with symbolism, allegories and other literary devices. It's not your stereotypical low IQ battle shonen and that's why you see so many shonentards hating it; they want it to be something it's not.

ShamankinguYoh said:

Leave it to bitter Bleach fans to randomly and without provocation bring up Naruto into the conversation because they’re so upset that their favorite series hasn’t received the same amount of love and respect. I just finished rereading Bleach. I can’t even begin to describe all the myriad problems with it even from the beginning. It’s a disaster and by far one of the worst shonen manga I’ve ever read. Top to bottom. The whole series has massive problems, not just the incredibly fundamentally bad final arc. I can’t even fathom how people could actually like this series for more than how appealing the characters look and how cool their powers are. It’s too bad the series isn’t rife with actual good narrative development, pacing, characterization, thematic cohesion and anything else a story needs to be compelling. That’s why there are so many haters. But sure you bleach fans go off and keep repeating the same ridiculous nonsense to make yourself seem more intelligent than the average anime fan because you can notice irrelevant things that you had to invent in your head to make the series seem far deeper and better executed than it actually is. Ask yourself: what other shonen feels the need to shove an inane, pretentious poem down your throat every time you open a volume? It’s atrociously bad.

4Channer said:
Nah, this is an objectively wrong take. You see, the problem with AoT and TPN's ending are that they are fundamentally, on a conceptual level, viscous waste. You will need to overhaul their entire structure to create something palatable out of them. The difference between them and BLEACH is that Kubo was simply on a time crunch due to external factors when wrapping up his own story; it is still conceptually powerful because it is thematically strong and poetic. Kubo simply needs to elaborate on the massive streamlining he undertook via simple additions to the ending rather than rewriting things (and he will).

Also, I don't know how the BLEACH ending can leave such a bitter taste in your mouth but Naruto's doesn't when it's essentially a worse version of AoT by an order of magnitude. The Black Zetsu reveal and everything following it is the worst retcon in animanga history and the 4GNW is the worst arc in shonen history. Naruto lacks any thematic consistency.

Speedreaders have been a disaster for manga discourse. I'd tell you to reread all 686 chapters of the manga again but we don't know if you'd be able to understand it. Bleach is after all a sophisticated battle shonen that takes inspiration from high art such as philosophy and literature and is rife with symbolism, allegories and other literary devices. It's not your stereotypical low IQ battle shonen and that's why you see so many shonentards hating it; they want it to be something it's not.

Archdruidman said:

Hold up, this is literally just a non-sequitur, he never said that this show should be perfect. He was also implying that others like it based on superficial reason and not on the fundamental story and characters. Also, let people hate things, im not sure why the moment somebody has even a little criticism of a show someone likes they say “Just dont watch it”. Are people not allowed to critique shit anymore, cause it certainly seems like you think that.

Bolt4ever said:
Utter garbage?
Are you playing fam?
They didn't fight against fodder quincies
Tf you on mahn🤣

4Channer said:

No offense bro, but you wouldn't know what good writing was if it were right in front of your eyes. There is nothing more worthless than critiquing attempts by someone who puts Dragon Ball Super in his favorites. And this is ignoring how the rest of your taste is just unga-bunga meathead battle shonen as well. It's time to grow out of that phase already.