I love how this series used to be considered edgy garbage like redo of a healer

Ionliosite2 said:
Wel, I know no one in answering you, but it's funny how this is true, in 2017 (before the manga ended) the score was 6.91 . Funny how also the first review that appears has over 1900 reactions despite... well, having basically nothing there lol.

Actually I think the thing with RoH and the assassin isekai is backwards people learned about the autor with RoH so they were expecting stuff with Ansatsu Kizoku.

DarkSageRK said:
It's not even edgy, it's just plain garbage.

Ionliosite2 said:
Wel, I know no one in answering you, but it's funny how this is true, in 2017 (before the manga ended) the score was 6.91 . Funny how also the first review that appears has over 1900 reactions despite... well, having basically nothing there lol.

Actually I think the thing with RoH and the assassin isekai is backwards people learned about the autor with RoH so they were expecting stuff with Ansatsu Kizoku.

Neostorm-X said:


lots of people these days conflate edgy with garbage sadly, stuff like gantz and akumetsu are edgy but i disagree that it would make them garbage.

and granted im not saying firepunch is complete garbage but im surprised the score went up massively due to chainsawman which shouldn't be the case.

thats basicly what happened with samurai 8 with kishimoto, but after people just gave up on that series and stoped hyping it.

Neostorm-X said:
I love how biased people are when reviewing series by an author that they liked,
this manga used to have a very bad score, and people relegated this as being some convoluted shitfest with lots of edge, but due to chainsaw mans popularity, you got a bunch of bandwagoners who suddenly act like this is the second bible going around.

you know what, I've been seeing this phenomenon a lot lately.
people not holding authors accountable Or people who change their opinions retroactively due to another work by the same author etc, like the naruto fans giving samurai 8 a massively good reviews or scores, when it doesn't hold up at all (frankly if you asked me I wouldn't say naruto is good ether but its a lot better than samurai 8)

or when that assassin isekai anime came out people started giving redo of a healer better scores retroactively due to the author being the same.

Emerardo said:
Yeah I think I know what you mean. Did people actually call this manga edgy garbage before csm? o.o What kind of stuff did people say about it? I would also like to know of other series were people have changed their opinions on after time passed. I agree that bandwagoning is definitely very prominent in the manga community, but had no idea Fire Punch had a bad rep before csm.

Emerardo said:
Yeah I think I know what you mean. Did people actually call this manga edgy garbage before csm? o.o What kind of stuff did people say about it? I would also like to know of other series were people have changed their opinions on after time passed. I agree that bandwagoning is definitely very prominent in the manga community, but had no idea Fire Punch had a bad rep before csm.

Neostorm-X said:

man fire punch was fucking notorious, similar to the U12 thing
the manga about little lolis being hunted or something etc.

there was literally a scene where fujimoto literally just wrote the part where the 2 captured orphans were forced to have sex with dogs i can't remember but it was at the start.
for literally no reason other than shock value (that is what i define edgy) i don't know whats with fujimoto and dogs,
but damn he really likes dogs.

apparently at the time i knew a bunch of people and i remember even some anime reviewers who called fire punch edgy garbage, or "its so bad its good"
don't get me wrong i enjoyed the shit outta it,
but the story writing was fucking horrendous,
it was all over the place.
everything was basically done for shock value.

chainsawman is better because it seems fujimoto took heavy inspiration from ishida sui when writing characters, and fights,  and also took heavy inspiration from Q hayashida when designing characters and interactions including the bizzare world of chainsawman etc,
fujimoto literally cites dorohedoro was one of his direct inspirations along with jjk actually so this part can be confirmed.

could explain why fire punch was so different in quality to chainsawman
it seems its also similar to freesia.

Neostorm-X said:

man fire punch was fucking notorious, similar to the U12 thing
the manga about little lolis being hunted or something etc.

there was literally a scene where fujimoto literally just wrote the part where the 2 captured orphans were forced to have sex with dogs i can't remember but it was at the start.
for literally no reason other than shock value (that is what i define edgy) i don't know whats with fujimoto and dogs,
but damn he really likes dogs.

apparently at the time i knew a bunch of people and i remember even some anime reviewers who called fire punch edgy garbage, or "its so bad its good"
don't get me wrong i enjoyed the shit outta it,
but the story writing was fucking horrendous,
it was all over the place.
everything was basically done for shock value.

chainsawman is better because it seems fujimoto took heavy inspiration from ishida sui when writing characters, and fights,  and also took heavy inspiration from Q hayashida when designing characters and interactions including the bizzare world of chainsawman etc,
fujimoto literally cites dorohedoro was one of his direct inspirations along with jjk actually so this part can be confirmed.

could explain why fire punch was so different in quality to chainsawman
it seems its also similar to freesia.

Emerardo said:
I can't find much discussion on Fire Punch online, even when I custom search from before CSM releasing. Where exactly was it notorious? Just on mal?

Kumiveneella said:
Isn't this entire topic just basically: "I dislike this series and other people used to dislike it as well, why do other people like this now, they should dislike it?". Admittedly the series was quite a bit less well received back when it solely existed and the current rating is because of bandwagoners, however why would the rating or general reception actually even matter. 

Sure validation is nice, but it's a bit overrated.

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Emerardo said:
I can't find much discussion on Fire Punch online, even when I custom search from before CSM releasing. Where exactly was it notorious? Just on mal?

Neostorm-X said:
you have it wrong lmao, I was literally forced to defend fire punch all the time in my friend group lmao.

I'm more pissed off that people suddenly like this series while hating it most of the time.


imagine you being an anime fan in the 90s,
every one around you bullied you and made fun of you, 
suddenly when anime became mainstream,
everyone starts jumping on the bandwagon and pretend that liking anime was always cool.

also this isn't just fire punch, i want my mal scores to have some semblance of integrity, although at this point i've given up, since there are way to many issues with the scoring system not just limited to bots

DarkSageRK said:
It's not even edgy, it's just plain garbage.

Kumiveneella said:


Oh it seems as though I had misunderstood, oh well. I guess even then some of the people calling the series edgy trash might've just been the most vocal readers.

There's really nothing that can be done about the ratings.

Neostorm-X said:
i mean it was always edgy, but i liked it the same reason why i loved deadtube,
it was completely off the rails and unpredictable i couldn't stop reading even if the over all story structure wasn't good at all.

also i don't even think redo of a healer was as bad as people said it was,
i used that as an example because of hypocrisy that people use because apparently just like goblin slayer and shield hero it was politically charged.
but there are many cases of people retroactively changing the scores of something when it gets popular, even those who hated the thing before

SanessyAdversary said:
I like this manga overall bec i watched a good explanation by few youtubers such as Sufferents and look at the comments for good summary review in the nicest way as possible :3