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Jan 25, 2023 2:14 PM
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Chisato and takina are so good they can dodge bullets better than spider man and take down a ton of men with machine guns. Lycoris girls with handguns can take down armed soldiers with machine guns. 

That seems to be pretty bad writing. Basically like the women king where they distorted history to push a narrative. But probably a bunch of hikimori in Japan buying the discs similiar to the idol obsession since no male mcs.
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Jan 25, 2023 2:19 PM
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That's not what Mary Sue is.

Jan 25, 2023 2:34 PM
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I will petition to abolish the term 'Mary Sue' because people don't fucking know what it means anymore. also it shouldn't really be used outside the context of fanfiction to begin with. It's useless for broader art criticism and usually just an excuse for someone with no media literacy to be misogynistic towards female characters that have any level of competence. 

also, I get really tired of people who haven't heard of the concept of 'suspension of disbelief'. If you don't know how to shut off the part of your brain that goes 'this could never happen in real life' why are you even watching anime? This is action anime's bread and butter - impossible situations and people doing impossible things. Actually, the entire modern action genre is like this. Lycoris pays homage to Hollywood blockbusters with a lot of its action. In many of those films, the action lead is routinely capable of impossible feats. In particular the show's gun choreography takes a lot of inspiration from the John Wick films, which feature the titular character doing quite a few impossible things. At the end of the third film he even survives a fall that would be fatal to anyone in real life, and probably also to most other characters in the film. It's a whole thing. If you don't like what Lycoris Recoil is doing, may I recommend sticking to only the most realistic drama and slice of life shows? 
Jan 25, 2023 2:37 PM
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Man. And people thought I was the blind hater.
Jan 25, 2023 2:39 PM
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Almost every shounen has similar or worse impossible escenarios, such as the ability to revive, become a god, spawn props with mental power and the list goes on. Your point?

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Jan 25, 2023 3:04 PM
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Guys. I agree this post isn’t exactly good. But let’s not respond with the “other stories do it so it’s ok” argument.

Op said Takina can dodge bullets when that’s not true. And in Chisato’s case the show establishes that it’s basically a superpower, and that other people with different supernatural abilities exist. As for the other part of the post, nothing about being a big guy with a machine gun makes you immune to bullets from handguns. and if a young girl is trained in using guns then it’s not hard to get shot and killed by said young girl.

OP made the claim that they are mary sue and didn’t qualify it well because this post is just him rambling his thoughts. No need to bring other shows into this.
Jan 25, 2023 3:26 PM
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Mary Sue is the annoying MFC who is perfect at everything: she is powerful, is always right, everyone (even villains) love her. There is no flaws at her skills and personalities (which also means they have no personality at all).

And no, that is not Lycoris Recoil case. Everyone has flaws and weaknesses, the very two things a Mary Sue doesn't have.
Jan 25, 2023 3:35 PM
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wall of text again... and philosophers
Jan 25, 2023 4:01 PM
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People really just like to throw around the term “Mary Sue” without knowing what it means.

Also, I sincerely don’t see how that’s bad writing. One of the main aspects of fiction is that it isn’t reality. So something not being realistic doesn’t equate to bad writing.

Plot holes, writing inconsistencies, pacing issues, poor handling of themes, bland characters… those are some examples of bad writing.

But making a story with girls who do things that would be nearly impossible for any normal person in real life? No. Again, that’s just fiction.
Jan 25, 2023 4:16 PM
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There is no way you watched the anime about teenage schoolgirl assassins and were surprised that the girls in question were good at shooting and not being shot.
Jan 25, 2023 4:24 PM

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They’ve been train to kills for many years. And I don’t think that’s what Mary sue means
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Jan 25, 2023 4:28 PM

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Chisato is the only one that can dodge bullets and she can do so cos she has a super natural ability. Chisato and the Lycoris girls have been trained since little to become hitmen. If you been taught military training since child hood you can take out anyone with a hand gun no matter what gun the opposing force may have.
Jan 25, 2023 5:05 PM
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Google "suspension of disbelief", watch the show, and shut the fuck up. Otaku.
Jan 25, 2023 5:45 PM
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Chisato is far from a Mary Sue. You might’ve not gotten to the main conflict yet, but she has her own personal issues to work though. Also, the creators throw twists at the combat to make it more interesting in later episodes.
Jan 25, 2023 5:47 PM
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I wonder if this thread is a social experiment by the OP to find out how toxic this platform is. If that’s the case, he has what he needs.
Jan 25, 2023 6:58 PM

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If she was so perfect the show would ended in less than 6 episodes
Jan 25, 2023 7:47 PM
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Nah man your not watching it right. Chisato has supernatural powers like Majima, yet she still is shown to have weaknesses. Not a Mary sue. She couldn’t beat majima in a fight and needed takina to help. Also we barely see any of lillibel but considering they had the authority to take over DA, safe to say they would be much stronger (cuz they’re made up of men *cough cough*”
Jan 25, 2023 9:16 PM
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Secret333 said:
Guys. I agree this post isn’t exactly good. But let’s not respond with the “other stories do it so it’s ok” argument.

Op said Takina can dodge bullets when that’s not true. And in Chisato’s case the show establishes that it’s basically a superpower, and that other people with different supernatural abilities exist. As for the other part of the post, nothing about being a big guy with a machine gun makes you immune to bullets from handguns. and if a young girl is trained in using guns then it’s not hard to get shot and killed by said young girl.

OP made the claim that they are mary sue and didn’t qualify it well because this post is just him rambling his thoughts. No need to bring other shows into this.

Man your response is so prefect and logical, i wanna be friends with you
Jan 25, 2023 9:23 PM
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i haven't even watched this (and probably wont) but the way you phrased that bro . . . are you ok?
Jan 25, 2023 10:10 PM

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Secret333 said:
Guys. I agree this post isn’t exactly good. But let’s not respond with the “other stories do it so it’s ok” argument.

Op said Takina can dodge bullets when that’s not true. And in Chisato’s case the show establishes that it’s basically a superpower, and that other people with different supernatural abilities exist. As for the other part of the post, nothing about being a big guy with a machine gun makes you immune to bullets from handguns. and if a young girl is trained in using guns then it’s not hard to get shot and killed by said young girl.

OP made the claim that they are mary sue and didn’t qualify it well because this post is just him rambling his thoughts. No need to bring other shows into this.

It's not about bringing other shows, kek. You wouldn't go watch Mahou Shoujo and later say "oh damn, this doesn't make sense, why does the girls have to transform and use magical power??? THIS ISN'T HOW REAL LIFE IS SUPPOSED TO BE". I'd 50/50 agree with Chisato being superhuman (and I know this is the main reason people refuse to watch this/don't like this show), but if we really are this picky then every anime in existence is badly written, western movies/TV series too.

And about your point, I'm not exactly sure I would call it a power but more like an ability. Yes, they do train for years, but for Chisato's case is more like an skill she just pulished (for example, Nyx from Lupin III Part IV has something similar, yet it isn't stated in the anime as a superpower but rather an innate skill).

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Jan 25, 2023 10:25 PM
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My guy they’re looking at their fingers before they pull the trigger which is how Takina and especially Chisato know when and what direction to dodge said bullets🤷🏽‍♂️
Jan 26, 2023 12:21 AM
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Why will mary sue this anime?
Jan 26, 2023 12:44 AM
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Tell me you don’t know what a Mary sue is without telling me you don’t know what a Mary sue is.
Jan 26, 2023 5:14 AM
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over-powered characters does not equate to trash writing. Characters can stay static; characters can start strong and end strong without it being bad. Characters don’t have to go through a whole ordeal for the writing to be good.

Also your title is misleading.
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Jan 26, 2023 6:53 AM
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icefirestone flopic. Guy seems to be in a downward spiral
Jan 26, 2023 7:43 AM
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no Chisato is harmful but merciful & with Takina everything changes about be able to take the issue over!!!!!
Jan 26, 2023 8:51 AM
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Violet42 said:
I will petition to abolish the term 'Mary Sue' because people don't fucking know what it means anymore. also it shouldn't really be used outside the context of fanfiction to begin with. It's useless for broader art criticism and usually just an excuse for someone with no media literacy to be misogynistic towards female characters that have any level of competence. 

also, I get really tired of people who haven't heard of the concept of 'suspension of disbelief'. If you don't know how to shut off the part of your brain that goes 'this could never happen in real life' why are you even watching anime? This is action anime's bread and butter - impossible situations and people doing impossible things. Actually, the entire modern action genre is like this. Lycoris pays homage to Hollywood blockbusters with a lot of its action. In many of those films, the action lead is routinely capable of impossible feats. In particular the show's gun choreography takes a lot of inspiration from the John Wick films, which feature the titular character doing quite a few impossible things. At the end of the third film he even survives a fall that would be fatal to anyone in real life, and probably also to most other characters in the film. It's a whole thing. If you don't like what Lycoris Recoil is doing, may I recommend sticking to only the most realistic drama and slice of life shows? 

I absolutely agree I would sign that petition in a heartbeat
Jan 26, 2023 1:05 PM
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the anime is cool better than chainsaw Man who is a pretty shit 😎 Lycoris Recoil was one of the best anime of 2022
Jan 27, 2023 4:27 PM

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show is pretty much similiar to the woman king where in real life, these girls would get destroyed by gis. Kind of definition of bad writing. But it doesn't fit the narrative of female empowerment, evil man. 
In the 1800s there were very manly women of the Amazons got destroyed by the colonisers with fire arms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bPLkMTypMw
Feb 1, 2023 5:21 AM
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You people are so annoying
Feb 3, 2023 11:12 AM
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I think this a stupid argument.

I mean, I don't like quirky girlboss type characters Disney likes to cram down people's, throats, but that's not what Chisato and Takina are.

And just because they aren't incompetent damsels in distress, that doesn't make them Mary Sues, either.
Feb 15, 2023 10:16 AM
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