| Wel, I know no one in answering you, but it's funny how this is true, in 2017 (before the manga ended) the score was 6.91 . Funny how also the first review that appears has over 1900 reactions despite... well, having basically nothing there lol. Actually I think the thing with RoH and the assassin isekai is backwards people learned about the autor with RoH so they were expecting stuff with Ansatsu Kizoku. |
| It's not even edgy, it's just plain garbage. |
| i dunno i found fire punch quite mid |
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Neostorm-X said: Yeah I think I know what you mean. Did people actually call this manga edgy garbage before csm? o.o What kind of stuff did people say about it? I would also like to know of other series were people have changed their opinions on after time passed. I agree that bandwagoning is definitely very prominent in the manga community, but had no idea Fire Punch had a bad rep before csm.I love how biased people are when reviewing series by an author that they liked, this manga used to have a very bad score, and people relegated this as being some convoluted shitfest with lots of edge, but due to chainsaw mans popularity, you got a bunch of bandwagoners who suddenly act like this is the second bible going around. you know what, I've been seeing this phenomenon a lot lately. people not holding authors accountable Or people who change their opinions retroactively due to another work by the same author etc, like the naruto fans giving samurai 8 a massively good reviews or scores, when it doesn't hold up at all (frankly if you asked me I wouldn't say naruto is good ether but its a lot better than samurai 8) or when that assassin isekai anime came out people started giving redo of a healer better scores retroactively due to the author being the same. |
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| damn, must have been some time. because i don't remember this lol. |
Neostorm-X said: I can't find much discussion on Fire Punch online, even when I custom search from before CSM releasing. Where exactly was it notorious? Just on mal?Emerardo said: Yeah I think I know what you mean. Did people actually call this manga edgy garbage before csm? o.o What kind of stuff did people say about it? I would also like to know of other series were people have changed their opinions on after time passed. I agree that bandwagoning is definitely very prominent in the manga community, but had no idea Fire Punch had a bad rep before csm. Emerardo said: man fire punch was fucking notorious, similar to the U12 thingYeah I think I know what you mean. Did people actually call this manga edgy garbage before csm? o.o What kind of stuff did people say about it? I would also like to know of other series were people have changed their opinions on after time passed. I agree that bandwagoning is definitely very prominent in the manga community, but had no idea Fire Punch had a bad rep before csm. the manga about little lolis being hunted or something etc. there was literally a scene where fujimoto literally just wrote the part where the 2 captured orphans were forced to have sex with dogs i can't remember but it was at the start. for literally no reason other than shock value (that is what i define edgy) i don't know whats with fujimoto and dogs, but damn he really likes dogs. apparently at the time i knew a bunch of people and i remember even some anime reviewers who called fire punch edgy garbage, or "its so bad its good" don't get me wrong i enjoyed the shit outta it, but the story writing was fucking horrendous, it was all over the place. everything was basically done for shock value. chainsawman is better because it seems fujimoto took heavy inspiration from ishida sui when writing characters, and fights, and also took heavy inspiration from Q hayashida when designing characters and interactions including the bizzare world of chainsawman etc, fujimoto literally cites dorohedoro was one of his direct inspirations along with jjk actually so this part can be confirmed. could explain why fire punch was so different in quality to chainsawman it seems its also similar to freesia. |
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| Isn't this entire topic just basically: "I dislike this series and other people used to dislike it as well, why do other people like this now, they should dislike it?". Admittedly the series was quite a bit less well received back when it solely existed and the current rating is because of bandwagoners, however why would the rating or general reception actually even matter. Sure validation is nice, but it's a bit overrated. . |
Neostorm-X said: Kumiveneella said: you have it wrong lmao, I was literally forced to defend fire punch all the time in my friend group lmao.Isn't this entire topic just basically: "I dislike this series and other people used to dislike it as well, why do other people like this now, they should dislike it?". Admittedly the series was quite a bit less well received back when it solely existed and the current rating is because of bandwagoners, however why would the rating or general reception actually even matter. Sure validation is nice, but it's a bit overrated. . I'm more pissed off that people suddenly like this series while hating it most of the time. imagine you being an anime fan in the 90s, every one around you bullied you and made fun of you, suddenly when anime became mainstream, everyone starts jumping on the bandwagon and pretend that liking anime was always cool. also this isn't just fire punch, i want my mal scores to have some semblance of integrity, although at this point i've given up, since there are way to many issues with the scoring system not just limited to bots Oh it seems as though I had misunderstood, oh well. I guess even then some of the people calling the series edgy trash might've just been the most vocal readers. There's really nothing that can be done about the ratings. |
Neostorm-X said: I'd like to at the least say that I thought the "edgy" content in Fire Punch was not without nuance, the same could not be said of some of those other series you mentioned. Although this is just my opinion. Kumiveneella said: i mean it was always edgy, but i liked it the same reason why i loved deadtube,Oh it seems as though I had misunderstood, oh well. I guess even then some of the people calling the series edgy trash might've just been the most vocal readers. There's really nothing that can be done about the ratings. it was completely off the rails and unpredictable i couldn't stop reading even if the over all story structure wasn't good at all. also i don't even think redo of a healer was as bad as people said it was, i used that as an example because of hypocrisy that people use because apparently just like goblin slayer and shield hero it was politically charged. but there are many cases of people retroactively changing the scores of something when it gets popular, even those who hated the thing before Where as something like Redo of the healer for example hides behind the authors mask of apparent "satire", In order to give the most dry and stupid revenge fantasy. It's kind of interesting how most of the series you mentioned are essentially revenge fantasies, they're just a power fantasy for the reader, yet mostly for the author. Like yeah you could argue the same about Fire Punch, yet burning alive all the time is hardly a fantasy. Like the nuance was always there in Fire Punch though, so I'd have to disagree on that front. Yet this is just my opinion. |
| I like this manga overall bec i watched a good explanation by few youtubers such as Sufferents and look at the comments for good summary review in the nicest way as possible :3 |
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Neostorm-X said: mhm i understand what you're saying and based take btw abt being an edgelord XDSanessyAdversary said: yeah,I like this manga overall bec i watched a good explanation by few youtubers such as Sufferents and look at the comments for good summary review in the nicest way as possible :3 but this was way before sufferents was even on youtube. i mena like the earlier manga era in the midd 2010s. this was literally considered edgelord manga etc. and i found it cuz i was an edge lord and some one recommended it to me i guess whenever a new edgy manga appears people will just consider it some sort of copy of certain edgy manga without giving it chances like. or maybe they're just trolls idk xd |
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| It's really ironic how people love Re:ZERO which is way worse than any of those and have the audacity to call other series 'edgy' It's 'Coal' calling both pot and kettle black |
| If you want to reply to my posts, come up with valid arguments instead of ad hominem HIGHER LEVEL THINKERS ONLY |
| Sad to hear that. Back when this manga was serialized, I didn't know about its existence myself. Only some time later I stumbled upon the famous meme, based on that one famous panel showing grinning Agni (well, back then I didn't know the name of the character on the meme and that it was from a manga called Fire Punch). Few years later, after being really disappointed with Chainsaw Man, I decided to give Fire Punch a try. Its synopsis seemed interesting enough. Post-apo setting, superpowers, unique take on the main character. Luckily for me, the manga was even better than that. It gave me everything I actually liked in Chainsaw Man, but most of all - it gave me everything that I felt Chainsaw Man was lacking. But going back to the topic, I'm surprised that this manga was considered as really edgy one. To me it was not edgy that much. I mean, it was no different in this aspect to many other mangas released before, during, and after its serialization. I guess it's a typical "trends change" moment, haha. |
| Maybe, people are just starting to get it. But seems weird that people haven't gotten Mirai Nikki, School Days, or Survival Horror manga yet. |
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