Muv-Luv Alternative 2nd Season Episode 2 Discussion

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Pain. Pure pain. Just as painful as when I first read it. You know what comes next.

also, the new code 991 is dogshit

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Oct 12, 2022 10:12 AM

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Welp, that red code spells for trouble and of course, the city is under attack.

At least we did get more action than before but the fight itself looked messy. Too much screaming but then again, they're fighting for survival. The city looks completely devastated.

Oct 12, 2022 10:25 AM

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Takeru and the 207th Unit in the newly minted XM3 OS for training, and much ado that their TSF has improved, as shown in their mock fight against veterans, who acknowledged that it will be of huge help in their fight against the BETA. But alone, they don't have the firepower to fight against it.

Takeru under the spell of the stimulant which is supposed to help raise their morale, instead placed Takeru on a frenzy that rendered him immobile with PTSD. And instead, Marimo giving him a pep talk to straighten his thoughts while was a godsend, the infamous CHOMP scene from the VN, I was taken aback by the sudden effect, but it was alright.

That's more than enough PTSD moments for Takeru, how much would he have to suffer?

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Oct 12, 2022 10:52 AM

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There were some creative scenes that were taken straight out from the visual novel. As a VN reader it was pretty nice reimagining the whole sequence in animation and cool tsf fights.
I don't really care about CHOMP as much as the leading up to it and they did it alright too. Much to my surprise.

Oct 12, 2022 11:11 AM

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The anime production team really need to consider their pacing Last week was a pretty slow paced one but this week was like a bullet train.
As to the episode itself, it's okay i suppose. I was expecting the BETA to appear in Ep 3 base on the pacing from last week, so much for that.
The CHOMP scene isn't as impactful as i thought it would be but i do like the OST when Marimo is cheering Takeru, so there's that.

That aside, the anime did give me a thought i didn't have before but now seeing Takeru's reaction made me thought of something, did Yuuko by chance made Takeru's stimulant stronger than the others? Feels like something she would do.
And it's not even a hard task to do for her. There's only 1 rookie squad in the trial, and Takeru is the only guy in the squad. Regardless of which suit he wears if Yuuko adjust it for all the male pilots then the chances of Takeru going berserk is still high.

Oct 12, 2022 11:13 AM

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the 3DCG mecha battles are great but damn Marimo-chan died just like that? her head is eaten from behind by an Alien BETA Monster damn

Oct 12, 2022 11:14 AM

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Holy cow I did not see that CHOMP coming. Whew.

Oct 12, 2022 11:14 AM

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ixarising said:
The anime production team really need to consider their pacing Last week was a pretty slow paced one but this week was like a bullet train.
As to the episode itself, it's okay i suppose. I was expecting the BETA to appear in Ep 3 base on the pacing from last week, so much for that.
The CHOMP scene isn't as impactful as i thought it would be but i do like the OST when Marimo is cheering Takeru, so there's that.

That aside, the anime did give me an idea i didn't have before but now seeing Takeru's reaction made me thought of something, did Yuuko by chance made Takeru's stimulant stronger than the others? Feels like something she would do.
And it's not even a hard task to do for her. There's only 1 rookie squad in the trial, and Takeru is the only guy in the squad. Regardless of which suit he wears if Yuuko adjust it for all the male pilots then the chances of Takeru going berserk is still high.

Oct 12, 2022 11:19 AM

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dailybread said:

ixarising said:
The anime production team really need to consider their pacing Last week was a pretty slow paced one but this week was like a bullet train.
As to the episode itself, it's okay i suppose. I was expecting the BETA to appear in Ep 3 base on the pacing from last week, so much for that.
The CHOMP scene isn't as impactful as i thought it would be but i do like the OST when Marimo is cheering Takeru, so there's that.

That aside, the anime did give me an idea i didn't have before but now seeing Takeru's reaction made me thought of something, did Yuuko by chance made Takeru's stimulant stronger than the others? Feels like something she would do.
And it's not even a hard task to do for her. There's only 1 rookie squad in the trial, and Takeru is the only guy in the squad. Regardless of which suit he wears if Yuuko adjust it for all the male pilots then the chances of Takeru going berserk is still high.

Oct 12, 2022 11:22 AM

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btw that is the famous CHOMP scene people are talking about? i was just shock and feel much nothing from the shock so i guess that scene worked as intended?

Oct 12, 2022 11:23 AM

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dailybread said:
Pain. Pure pain. Just as painful as when I first read it. You know what comes next.

also, the new code 991 is dogshit

totally agree, + i expected more gore at the end

but i still got PTSD

Oct 12, 2022 11:26 AM

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deg said:
btw that is the famous CHOMP scene people are talking about? i was just shock and feel much nothing from the shock so i guess that scene worked as intended?

The original scene has more gore, well it's mainly from Takeru's perspective so instead of seeing it from a 3rd person view like the anime, you're seeing the bite directly from Takeru's POV.

Oct 12, 2022 11:27 AM

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ixarising said:

deg said:
btw that is the famous CHOMP scene people are talking about? i was just shock and feel much nothing from the shock so i guess that scene worked as intended?

The original scene has more gore, well it's mainly from Takeru's perspective so instead of seeing it from a 3rd person view like the anime, you're seeing the bite directly from Takeru's POV.

ah ok i guess the excessive gore will be more memorable but i do not want to look it up since im weak with gore

Oct 12, 2022 11:31 AM

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deg said:
the 3DCG mecha battles are great but damn Marimo-chan died just like that? her head is eaten from behind by an Alien BETA Monster damn

In anime is pretty soft, that visual novel scene is famous to give PTSD

Oct 12, 2022 11:32 AM

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C4ssius said:

deg said:
the 3DCG mecha battles are great but damn Marimo-chan died just like that? her head is eaten from behind by an Alien BETA Monster damn

In anime is pretty soft, that visual novel scene is famous to give PTSD

i see now i do not want to get PTSD then

Oct 12, 2022 11:35 AM

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The episode was a really good adaptation, almost perfect i'd say except for CHOMP scene, it felt too empty without any sound, but i didn't expect it to be even remotely as shocking as the VN in the first place (it would have been almost impossible for a number of reasons even excluding censorship) so i'm not complaining.

I'm really curious how they will handle the beginning of the next episode.

Oct 12, 2022 11:36 AM

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Give us our VN code 911 sound back, this sounds so bad. Also i am kinda disappointed that they rushed second mock battle and skipped the one that saved Shirogane

Oct 12, 2022 11:58 AM

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Obviously it's not gonna be as gory and shocking as it was in the visual novel (especially because of the insane amount of buildup there), but they did an okay job with this. The complete silence at the end was a nice touch.
Would have *really* liked for the episode to play out over two episodes instead to increase the level of suspense more. 12 episodes just isn't enough in the end.

Oct 12, 2022 12:04 PM

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Marimo-chan....

Oct 12, 2022 12:09 PM

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deg said:
btw that is the famous CHOMP scene people are talking about? i was just shock and feel much nothing from the shock so i guess that scene worked as intended?

You have to understand that the whole reason this scene is famous is because it was backed by like 50 hours of by romcom then feel good sci-fi military shite then BAM a character's head gets bitten off unannounced with excruciating details. It was shocking because the BETA ambush earlier was just a subversion to the real horror to come. But you just ruined the only good experience with muv-luv you could have had

Oct 12, 2022 12:46 PM

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Oct 12, 2022 2:27 PM

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OK WHAT. I knew last episode was a calm before the storm and would be a set up for darker things to come, it was just too happy and peaceful, but I wasn’t expecting THIS dark THIS soon.

Easily the best episode of the series so far, perfectly paced as an anime only IMO and did an amazing job of driving home just how horrific this war is. The kids have been relatively secluded from the horrors of the enemies of humanity, but Takeru seeing people just easily mowed down by those things… and then after surviving, getting a pep talk and then the brutal sounds of his friend getting her head bitten off… was not expecting this to become Evangelion so quick.

Oct 12, 2022 2:43 PM

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deg said:

C4ssius said:

In anime is pretty soft, that visual novel scene is famous to give PTSD

i see now i do not want to get PTSD then

It isn't just the fact that it's gory that makes it shocking. It's the fact that it seemingly comes out of nowhere. In the VN you are tens of hours into the story by that point and there has been nothing to indicate that it would suddenly go so violent on you. It's a very effective scene. The anime take on it was certainly different but I was pleasantly surprised by how they handled it. Enjoyed this episode a lot!

Oct 12, 2022 2:47 PM

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No buildup for the chomp, it felt very rushed at least compared to the VN experienced. I hated the way they paced the episode and honestly, I feel like Marimo's speech felt underwhelmingly weak compared to the VN.
Well there goes the best scene for me, at least we got a nice op.

Oct 12, 2022 3:23 PM

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That whole convo I was just sitting there waiting for it. I guess pretty much anyone that knew what's about to happen would

I don't think it came across quite as impactfully as in the game though but that might be because it's not from Takeru's perspective here in the same way, but at least they still got the shock factor across decently

Oct 12, 2022 4:08 PM

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Well then, we finally got to this stage.

NituAndreiV said:
No buildup for the chomp, it felt very rushed at least compared to the VN experienced. I hated the way they paced the episode and honestly, I feel like Marimo's speech felt underwhelmingly weak compared to the VN.
Well there goes the best scene for me, at least we got a nice op.

welcome to anime only world :(

Oct 12, 2022 4:09 PM

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Props to Takeru's seiyuu dude that yell at the end was painful.

Oct 12, 2022 4:21 PM

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dailybread said:

Nah I believe Takeru's reaction was truly a surprise to Yuuko, and she was genuine when she figured out the reason later. She was not aiming this incident at Takeru at all. That would have been prescient and somewhat over the top. Also there's no way she would not have felt tremendous anguish for Marimo's accidental death. She did get herself back together, react quickly, and kinda predict what would happen to Takeru after this situation though.

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Oct 12, 2022 4:23 PM

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Don't know how to feel about this... The most salient aspect for me was how big the difference between a first-person perspective of the VN and a third-person view can be. Well, Kouki did say in an interview that the manga was largely intended to "add perspectives" for the VN readers. Guess that's just how it is. If I'm really not to focus solely on negatives, I thought the part where Takeru's cockpit was being banged upon was somewhat creatively done.

BTW, after watching Chainsaw Man yesterday I just realized that Sumika has the same VA as Makima. The voice-acting front of this season would largely hang on Sumika's performance. (Actually you could say that Takeru is also important, we probably just got used to him being not voiced.) In Episode 1 she sounded quite Sumika-poi so that was a good sign. Let's see how she performs during the key scenes.

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Oct 12, 2022 4:57 PM

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About time the thing that everyone kept talking about happened, it gave me a good laugh tho lol, like yeah definitely a terrible awful thing to happen but with the way it happened I couldn’t help but laugh. I was even thinking the entire scene that they were talking if it was safe to be on the battlefield that was just infested with BETA, and would you look at that, it wasn’t lol, so I actually wasn’t too surprised but it was still unexpected for sure.

The rest of the episode before that was wild too, Takeru losing his mind once the BETA appeared was a sight to see, and then freaking out as he was about to die. I definitely think the drugs and hypnosis were a bad idea there lol, maybe just a little bit, and what an odd chant for the hypnosis too, creepy stuff. But yeah, I can see why people were highly anticipating that scene at the end, it was well done for sure.

Oct 12, 2022 5:00 PM

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sho52 said:

ixarising said:

Nah I believe Takeru's reaction was truly a surprise to Yuuko, and she was genuine when she figured out the reason later. She was not aiming this incident at Takeru at all. That would have been prescient and somewhat over the top. Also there's no way she would not have felt tremendous anguish for Marimo's accidental death. She did get herself back together, react quickly, and kinda predict what would happen to Takeru after this situation though.

I really doubt that Yuuko was surprised cause.

Oct 12, 2022 6:03 PM

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deg said:
btw that is the famous CHOMP scene people are talking about? i was just shock and feel much nothing from the shock so i guess that scene worked as intended?

You would've felt much worse if you read the entire VN instead of watching this fast paced anime with minimal to no character development.

The mecha CGI fight scene was superb as always. This episode was really well done.

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Oct 12, 2022 6:32 PM

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To all anime only watchers: welcome to Muv Luv, lieutenant, it'll only get worse. Though I wonder how much of the original VN's horror and despair is going to be brought over to the anime since I haven't watch season 1

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Oct 12, 2022 6:55 PM

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That is the most evil brutal plot twist that was completely depressing and came out of left field.

Oct 12, 2022 7:54 PM

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I simply try to fathom why this show exists. It is bad in every aspect. They removed the original character designs. They removed the original voice actors. They removed the original music. They removed the original sounds. They removed the original romcom, buildup, everything. This is not pretty, nor impressive. It is generic in every sense.

Muv Luv Alternative is the perfect military porn for nerds and even more. It gives the perfect experience through all the aspects of becoming part of a battlefield and war, including the disillusionment of grandiosity, that begins here in this very scene.

This was supposed to be among the, if not the one, most impactful scene in gaming history. Much worse than FFVII. I remember I could not control myself, my brain kept repeating this as I read further, I involuntarily cried again and again for hours - I absolutely had PTSD from this, a game, unreal experience.

So, if the studio is not going to try to do any of these things, why call it Alternative? If they called it Muv Luv Shitelnative, a spin-off, things would be easier, but they had to go and sully the name. I dont understand. ML TE was good imo, Schwarzesmarken was good imo, any ML spin off could be good imo, just not Alternative adaptation. We all knew it, they knew it too. So Why? Pls tell me someone.

This is Youkoso all over gain, S1 and also S2. One of the most popular source materials ever and the abysmal treatment it gets. It makes no sense from economical or any other perspective. Everybody loses. Both Youkoso and MLA could be, with a little bit of trying, easily anime of the year. People, this game was more popular on VNDB than Fate Stay Night (on its own without anime!) and its official EN translation got 1 million dollars on Kickstarter - for translation years after we already had fan-translation anyway! Why would anyone made this garbage anime? They could make MLTE S2 or something. Or The Day After. Or original spin-offs. But no, lets make adaptation that removes everything and only carries the same name. Is this the so-called Tsukihime treatment?

I wanted to stay silent, because people with no clue will come in and complain about bad VN fans who complain about everything. But this is absolutely the worst adaptation of anything I have ever seen. Anyone interested in aliens and sci-fi and mechs, do yourself a favor and play the games, including Extra, do it, not a single one of you will regret that decision. And pretend this show doesnt exist.

Oct 12, 2022 8:00 PM

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Well I know why this show exists. It is an explanation of the original universe for those that wont play the game, so they can start milking the franchise with new wave of spin-offs and other projects, project Mikhail was it? Imo, they got greedy, and they will pay the price. As always, its about soulless management capitalizing on the brand, nothing is off-limits, I cant see it any other way.

Oct 12, 2022 8:09 PM

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Leave it to the Muv-Luv anime adaptations to take something great and completely butcher it. I still don't know what the point of this adaptation was besides promoting various Avex production stuff but it's awful.

Oct 12, 2022 8:31 PM

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sspit said:

I wanted to stay silent, because people with no clue will come in and complain about bad VN fans who complain about everything. But this is absolutely the worst adaptation of anything I have ever seen. Anyone interested in aliens and sci-fi and mechs, do yourself a favor and play the games, including Extra, do it, not a single one of you will regret that decision. And pretend this show doesnt exist.

Let's be honest, sadly not many anime onlies will hear what you say and decide to completely ruin their Muv luv experience by watching this garbage.

Rance X is A GOAT.

Oct 12, 2022 8:43 PM

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deg said:
btw that is the famous CHOMP scene people are talking about? i was just shock and feel much nothing from the shock so i guess that scene worked as intended?

This is what happen you don't spend like 50 hours in Extra and Unlimited. I just want to say congratulation for ruining Muv luv experience yourself and also for other anime only people that still watching this horrible adaptation.

Rance X is A GOAT.

Oct 12, 2022 8:50 PM

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I think it had too many flaws, but still at least I had goosebumps again. I can't get used to this scene no matter how many times I saw it...
So gonna give a 5 star.

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Oct 12, 2022 10:00 PM

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I feel like that final scene would have had more weight if the first half of the series had done a better job getting me invested in these characters. Part one's biggest weakness was that by the end, outside of like 2 or 3 characters, I didn't really get to know or care about most of them, and as a result, I Hardley even remember who the girl is at the end that dies.

Oct 12, 2022 10:09 PM

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UNEXPECTED ENDING OF EPISODE.
Damn I didnt expected that to happen.
10/10
second episode of this season and they are breaking it!

Oct 12, 2022 10:12 PM

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They did an amazing job with the episode. All around haunting. I like how they adapted a snippet of Atonement in there too. I wonder if they'll show the whole thing like the MLA manga did.

On another note, it baffles me how some continue to pretend the MLA anime is "the worst adaptation" ever made. While far from perfect, it's still above the likes of the Robotics;Notes anime and Higu DEEN. People act like this is worse than the Dies Irae and Chaos; anime. But this is all around a great anime for those who have already read the trilogy.

Oct 12, 2022 10:12 PM

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Jackson1333 said:
I feel like that final scene would have had more weight if the first half of the series had done a better job getting me invested in these characters. Part one's biggest weakness was that by the end, outside of like 2 or 3 characters, I didn't really get to know or care about most of them, and as a result, I Hardley even remember who the girl is at the end that dies.

Read the VN brother

Oct 12, 2022 10:32 PM

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Sharingan123412 said:
They did an amazing job with the episode. All around haunting. I like how they adapted a snippet of Atonement in there too. I wonder if they'll show the whole thing like the MLA manga did.

On another note, it baffles me how some continue to pretend the MLA anime is "the worst adaptation" ever made. While far from perfect, it's still above the likes of the Robotics;Notes anime and Higu DEEN. People act like this is worse than the Dies Irae and Chaos; anime. But this is all around a great anime for those who have already read the trilogy.

We are not bitching because it's bad, but because it's a decade too late

Oct 12, 2022 10:48 PM

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So this is how she died. I knew Marimo died but didn't know when but always expecting it. I saw the chomp pic once though. Nasty stuff. I'm sick of these beta scum they gotta be wiped.

Oct 13, 2022 12:39 AM

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decent episode, lots of stuff happened but that's the anime we got
now it's time to remember the depression I got from reading the VN

Oct 13, 2022 2:52 AM

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I didn't read the VN but I feel like they skipped a fuckton of stuffs, kinda ruined the whole thing with Takeru going mental. Needs more build up.

Oct 13, 2022 3:14 AM

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