Does everyone hate Ruka? I feel like I’m the only one who likes her

Piromysl said:
Kazuya somehow made her heart go "doki doki" for no reason like a typical harem MC he is, and that's literally it.

Kirinoze said:
I honestly can’t see how anyone can like her.

Opticflash said:
It's hilarious that people in this thread do not even comprehend the story and romcoms in general.



The reason was demonstrated and explained (through dialogue) in season 1 episode 7. It's even a trope in fiction.



We ought to differentiate between liking a character and liking a character's personality, I think.

Opticflash said:
It's hilarious that people in this thread do not even comprehend the story and romcoms in general.



The reason was demonstrated and explained (through dialogue) in season 1 episode 7. It's even a trope in fiction.



We ought to differentiate between liking a character and liking a character's personality, I think.

Piromysl said:


Bruh. You literally just did the meme.


Bruh, you literally just did the meme.

Opticflash said:


Cool image bruh, I take that as a compliment. As common courtesy, let me do one for you.

Piromysl said:


No, it wasn't a compliment.
If you are saying, that Ruka is supposedly a good character, because her heart went "doki doki" because she fell for illusion of Kazu caring for Chuizury and that's why she want him to himself, then she is actually even more repulsive.

Opticflash said:


No, that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying there's a reason, and it was very clearly conveyed to to the audience such that it is a trope typical of romcoms, as you stated previously

"Kazuya somehow made her heart go "doki doki" for no reason like a typical harem MC he is, and that's literally it."

what you just described is one reason (which contradicted the quoted post), but do you know why it's a reason?

Piromysl said:

Yea i kinds did and it is still totally cliche, idiotic and makes her look even more repulsive as i described before.
dismissed

Domino_Jackson said:
I know a lot of people find her irritating and annoying but I don’t see her that way. She’s just trying to hold on to the love she’s found, she might not be doing it the right way but it’s not 100% her fault. Kazuya could have easily just cut things off with her after a week but he didn’t. Then he complains about how he wishes he had a girlfriend to do things with and completely forgets about Ruka. Like it’s totally unfair to her and I sympathize with her about it. I just wanted to see how everyone sees Ruka.

Domino_Jackson said:

So the character that’s been in like 3 episodes so far is the winner. Cool

Domino_Jackson said:

So the character that’s been in like 3 episodes so far is the winner. Cool

Giorgosman13 said:
I hate both ruka and chizuru for how fucking childish they are as characters. Dont get me wrong their character designs are pretty decent but their personalities are so bad that I cant not hate them

Opticflash said:


*Guy sexually objectifying women on his profile, by having walls of anime girls dressing scantily clad, talking about bad personalities*

Opticflash said:


*Guy sexually objectifying women on his profile, by having walls of anime girls dressing scantily clad, talking about bad personalities*

Opticflash said:


*Guy sexually objectifying women on his profile, by having walls of anime girls dressing scantily clad, talking about bad personalities*

Opticflash said:


*Guy sexually objectifying women on his profile, by having walls of anime girls dressing scantily clad, talking about bad personalities*

Opticflash said:

*Guy sexually objectifying women on his profile, by having walls of anime girls dressing scantily clad, talking about bad personalities*

Giorgosman13 said:


So how exactly am i objectifying women. So you are telling me appreciating anime girls for both their beauty and character is objectifying. Like you are totally making 0 sense rn of course I cant show my appreciation for their characters in my profile with pictures but just so you know I appreciate Ellis' the Goblin Slayer character a fucking lot and I cant believe a guy like you is here to doubt my love for her. You are here spouting nonsense about my love for the character. How would you feel if I talked shit about you in general it wouldnt feel good now would it.

Opticflash said:


You like those girls for their character? I didn't see this on your profile. To avoid confusion, it would be better to describe their character on your profile.

Giorgosman13 said:


Yeah let me type an essay about why eris is best girl just because a guy that cant see a woman with a bikini is offended and thinks I am objectifying women just cause I have a girl in a fucking bikini at my profile. Please

Opticflash said:


From inspection of your profile, you have not 1 but 26 scantily clad girls on your profile description (please do check the count). With that many, it would seem to people that you value women only for their bodies, which is why I found it quite humorous. But I get your point, since you can think of them as human/living beings other than sex objects as well. Still, it was kinda confusing without any description.

Opticflash said:


From inspection of your profile, you have not 1 but 26 scantily clad girls on your profile description (please do check the count). With that many, it would seem to people that you value women only for their bodies, which is why I found it quite humorous. But I get your point, since you can think of them as human/living beings other than sex objects as well. Still, it was kinda confusing without any description.

Opticflash said:


From inspection of your profile, you have not 1 but 26 scantily clad girls on your profile description (please do check the count). With that many, it would seem to people that you value women only for their bodies, which is why I found it quite humorous. But I get your point, since you can think of them as human/living beings other than sex objects as well. Still, it was kinda confusing without any description.

BBS_ said:


What exactly is your point though? Ruka kissed kazuya against his will so that’s SA and she objectifies Kazuya. Knows his feelings and doesn’t even care, she only cares if her heart rate gets faster. Your point is completely irrelevant because someone liking bikinis has nothing to do with a completely unrelated character having a shitty personality. Educate yourself before you start barking like a dog and embarrassing yourself in front of the entire world. I personally don’t care because it’s a work of fiction but your point was just beyond retarded.

Opticflash said:


Uh... hello? What did you think my point was? I said I just found it pretty funny that they were saying someone or some character has a bad personality, but then put up a wall of scantily clad women on their profile.

Opticflash said:


...that I found it pretty funny. I told you.

Manaban said:

Allow me to rephrase this: what's even slightly interesting about someone having ecchi stuff in their profile and having the opinion a character has a bad personality?

Opticflash said:


Because having ecchi stuff represents a similarity between person accusing another of having a bad personality and the one with the bad personality. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, but in a not too similar way. That's why I found it funny. That's not to say the ecchi guy has a bad personality, but certainly someone with all ecchi and hentai for instance in their completed list wouldn't give me the impression that they're an upstanding citizen.

Manaban said:

So you assume personality traits and worldviews about people you've never interacted with and likely never seen interact with anyone based on their taste in anime, and then try to use that to make accusations about their human character over trite opinions like disliking a fictional character's personality.

That's what you're telling me, correct?

So you assume personality traits and worldviews about people you've never interacted with and likely never seen interact with anyone based on their taste in anime.

and then try to use that to make accusations about their human character over trite opinions like disliking a fictional character's personality.

Opticflash said:


Incorrect. That's why I asked for them to clarify.

Manaban said:

No, it's correct. You tried to present it in a cheeky way, like you were mocking them for it, at that. Your point was that, because he's an ecchi fan, he must dehumanize women, and that it's funny for someone who must dehumanize women to care about their personality. Your way of asking them for clarification was telling them to do character writeups on their profile to prove it.

It's a pretty overt attempt at peer pressuring someone through mockery, and then making demands of them to appease you specifically. I don't think somebody who acts like this has any real ground to stand on when it comes to a dispute about perceived character- especially when one side is operating off of assumptions and the other is operating off of direct actions take against others.

If I may be so intrusive, I think it'd do you well to reconsider how you view and treat people around you. Seeking self-improvement tends to speak volumes to one's character.

Opticflash said:

Incorrect, again. Way to put words in my mouth, dude. I suggested that to the individual because people, especially those who are new to anime, would likely make similar assumptions, not that I wanted to read paragraphs of writing. I do not care enough about them to see this "proof". It appears that you yourself are operating off of assumptions.

Manaban said:

I did not put words in your mouth. I simply restated what you yourself said - that you told him you found it funny, the humor being based off of projecting character deficits onto him for his taste in anime, and that you asked him to do character write-ups or some sort of equivalent to prove he appreciated these characters for their personalities. When I put all of that together and add in the context that it's in response to his negative opinion towards a character, I reached the conclusion you were trying to peer pressure him in the way I described. I don't see any other conclusion I can possibly reach, given what's before me.

You're also continuing to do so by trying to make an appeal to an invisible entity that you're claiming will judge him for his taste, i.e. newer anime fans. This only reinforces that point, and in doing so reinforces my perception of your character. It's a manipulative, pressuring response to his opinion, ostensibly in response to a trite disagreement over a character.

It's very silly behavior on your part, to put it mildly.

I did not put words in your mouth. I simply restated what you yourself said - that you told him you found it funny, the humor being based off of projecting character deficits onto him for his taste in anime

and that you asked him to do character write-ups or some sort of equivalent to prove he appreciated these characters for their personalities.

When I put all of that together and add in the context that it's in response to his negative opinion towards a character, I reached the conclusion you were trying to peer pressure him in the way I described.

You're also continuing to do so by trying to make an appeal to an invisible entity that you're claiming will judge him for his taste, i.e. newer anime fans. This only reinforces that point, and in doing so reinforces my perception of your character. It's a manipulative, pressuring response to his opinion, ostensibly in response to a trite disagreement over a character.

Opticflash said:

Incorrect. Nowhere did I ask that he does write ups as "proof", only that doing so would make a better impression of his profile (to other people, not necessarily to myself) that he did. Next you will claim that this is a disguised attempt at telling him to write up "proof" to appease me.

Opticflash said:

... why do you think I made an appeal to an "invisible entity"?

Manaban said:

Mm. And exactly how does this do anything to combat the idea that you were trying to manipulate him for his opinion by exercising peer pressure and mockery? You're still trying to get him to do something with the idea of changing how he presents himself to better suit your own understanding of how people operate - all while trying to lay the fault at his feet, at that, for having his profile like it is. Again, by projecting personality deficits onto him and trying to be mocking in doing so.

And again, in response to him expressing a negative opinion on character personalities.

Framing it as a suggestion doesn't change the core issue with what you're doing here. It's wasting time on a frivolous technicality, i.e. you *technically* didn't ask him to, you merely suggested/encouraged it.

And again, in response to him expressing a negative opinion on character personalities.

Manaban said:

It's a pretty common rhetoric tactic, to try to prey on people's insecurities about how newer anime fans or non-anime fans might see them for not falling in line with what someone else is considering acceptable behavior. Many people in this fandom tend to seek validation of their hobby from outside entities and get concerned about how it's perceived, so it's a wide net type of tactic. It creates this invisible mass of people that you yourself dictate the values and perception of to the other party, which is exactly how it seems that you just tried to use that rhetoric tactic.

Identifying transparent malicious intent like this isn't hard.

Opticflash said:
yes it is peer pressure because the intent would be for them to reconsider their profile somewhat

Opticflash said:

That's why I stated this because I believe people generally don't look favorably on anime users with mostly ecchi, hentai, etc. in their lists.

Manaban said:

That's all I needed you to say. No need to continue with this conversation further.

Opticflash said:


You framed your argument very poorly because previously you tried to accuse me of having malicious and mocking intent with my words. Now you are switching up the discussion to the outcome of my words. But I am glad we can settle this discussion.

Manaban said:

Let's see how things wind up being perceived by people who see this.

Opticflash said:


Cool. I don't really care that much, to be honest.

Manaban said:

Everyone says that, and nobody means it.

Opticflash said:


I'm curious, what is your reason for continuing this discussion that you claimed didn't need to continue any further?

Manaban said:

I wasn't aware we were on topic anymore. As I see it, I stopped participating in that conversation as soon as I said I was going to and now it's just pointless blabbering about other stuff.

Do you want me gone that badly?

Opticflash said:


No, I'm just curious why you even bother. Are you purposefully trying to bait me to continue?

Manaban said:

This just sounds kind of paranoid to me.

You quoted me after I had said I was done, and I continued responding to you as a result. I haven't pressed the actual topic any further, since you pretty much directly admitted to trying to pressure the guy to conform to your sensibilities. I don't have anything else to prove on that front.