Rent-A-Girlfriend
MonkeeDan said: It most definitely deserves all the hate it gets but if you're able to enjoy it nonetheless then that's good :> No need to listen to grumpy opinions and people voicing their dislike for this show That's only true if the audience is very stupid and cannot comprehend the point of the story even if it was explicitly told to them via dialog, which the majority of watchers are I suppose. |
| I also like rent a girlfriend I don't know why but it's entertaining to me |
ktg said: Opticflash said: It's slightly above because of the portrayal. A show does not necessarily have to be believable to be of good quality. That condition as a criterion actually depends more on the theme and tone of the story. The proof is that in comedy (as an example) the characters most often behave in very strange ways bordering irrationality and incomprehensibility, which is precisely the point of comedy. The problem with a reviewer's statement that a character's thoughts do not make sense (e.g. why would girl X like Kazuya?), it that it's easy to come up with a reason based on each characters' personalities or actions, and it primarily comes down to a reviewer not thinking hard enough or not understanding the plot of the story and tropes involved. In RAG, it's very, very obvious why Ruka (and the other girls) likes Kazuya and the reason is a trope in romcoms. There's even a dialog explaining it to the audience. Portrayal of what exactly? Even the rental girlfriend aspect is unrealistic. It needs to be believable in its own universe. When you create a story, you build a universe, a new world. In that world there are rules. The rules can be created by you, for example in Death Note, the rules about Death Note was created by the author and rules can be inherited from reality, like in KanoKari, we are in the present and the casts are humans, so expect them to look like humans and dress like nowadays. And even comedy follows these rules. The exaggerations are still inside the rules that are created by the author. While my problem is that if we talking about humans then we expect human logic too and that's missing. As for the not understanding part, let me create a short story for you. "X is hungry. X go to his neighbor and says to him 'his house is nice'. X is not hungry anymore" The question is: Are too dumb to understand why X is not hungry anymore or there are some mistakes in my story? In KanoKari, the problem is the reason aren't the MC's personality, even if that's his personality, then girls with human logic, wouldn't fall for him. We can go girl by girl. Chizuru; only reason is that Kazuya saved him. But what other stuff did he do to her? Lied about her, lied to her, stalked her (this is actually a crime), violated the rental girlfriend rules multiple times. How should someone believe Chizuru's feeling? Ruka; her own personal medical condition is the only reason, which is stupid as hell. But again, there is nothing where we can actually see that she likes Kazuya because of his personality. And the lying part is true in this case too. Sumi, this is actually the most acceptable, because they had limited encounter. For example, Kazuya "saved" Sumi but Kazuya's only reason was that it would give him a chance with Chizuru. Not because he is a good guy or he wanted to help Sumi. We could talk about Mami, actually she is the most logical being in the show, but without her backstory I wouldn't like to guess. I read about her from others and if those things are true, then Mami is a joke too. It's not that I didn't think about it, the problem is that I did think about it and that made pretty clear that this doesn't work. Portrayal of what exactly? Even the rental girlfriend aspect is unrealistic. Quality is about the manner in which an author expresses his or her thoughts through a fictional representation. It is an analysis of the goals and mindset of the author, what exactly they want to present, and the feelings they try to invoke in the audience through the techniques they use. The analysis attempts to answer questions about the aspects of the story such as "why does this character exist? what is their purpose? what did the author envision when they wrote this character or story?" The overarching theme of RAG is "MC is silly and does irrational stuff that causes drama and stressful situations, that continuously keeps the audience in fearful anticipation". It's presentation is slightly above average simply because it achieves this quite effectively. Chizuru is portrayed quite well because through her character we have an idea of who she is fundamentally (the author breathes 'life' to the character to tell us about her). It needs to be believable in its own universe. When you create a story, you build a universe, a new world. In that world there are rules. The rules can be created by you, for example in Death Note, the rules about Death Note was created by the author and rules can be inherited from reality, like in KanoKari, we are in the present and the casts are humans, so expect them to look like humans and dress like nowadays. And even comedy follows these rules. The exaggerations are still inside the rules that are created by the author. While my problem is that if we talking about humans then we expect human logic too and that's missing. To be more precise, it needs to be believable only when it pertains to the specific goals of the author and the nuances of a theme. It does not need to be believable simply because of the setting or "rules" of the story (these are called contradictions rather than "character X's actions make no sense to me"). Proof: Comedy such as Family Guy often have characters act in strange ways, despite its modern setting, because absurdity is the basis for comedy. The goal of the producers of Family Guy is not to create anything that is believable, but precisely the exact opposite of believability for laughs. In Kaguya Sama, the question is never "why does Kaguya like Shirogane and why don't they just confess to each other instead of doing all these silly little stunts?" because that's not the author's goal of answering the question in a rational manner. The author's goal is to make the characters absurd and behave in ways that one would never expect in real life. In another example, in Tonikaku Kawaii the author's goal is for the audience to feel the romance between the main characters, but the author hastily introduced the characters' love through a one-time interaction (thus making their love 'unbelievable'). The problem with this is that it is in stark contrast to their goal as an author, not that lack of believability is inherently a problem. As for the not understanding part, let me create a short story for you. "X is hungry. X go to his neighbor and says to him 'his house is nice'. X is not hungry anymore" The question is: Are too dumb to understand why X is not hungry anymore or there are some mistakes in my story? It depends on the specificity of the scene. If the hungry person went inside the neighbor's house and the reviewer could not comprehend for the life of them how X is no longer hungry after watching them walk out of the house, they have no business reviewing or critiquing fiction. If we know that character X has eaten nothing during that time, then it is unbelievable. In KanoKari, the problem is the reason aren't the MC's personality, even if that's his personality, then girls with human logic, wouldn't fall for him. We can go girl by girl. Chizuru; only reason is that Kazuya saved him. But what other stuff did he do to her? Lied about her, lied to her, stalked her (this is actually a crime), violated the rental girlfriend rules multiple times. How should someone believe Chizuru's feeling? Ruka; her own personal medical condition is the only reason, which is stupid as hell. But again, there is nothing where we can actually see that she likes Kazuya because of his personality. And the lying part is true in this case too. Sumi, this is actually the most acceptable, because they had limited encounter. For example, Kazuya "saved" Sumi but Kazuya's only reason was that it would give him a chance with Chizuru. Not because he is a good guy or he wanted to help Sumi. We could talk about Mami, actually she is the most logical being in the show, but without her backstory I wouldn't like to guess. I read about her from others and if those things are true, then Mami is a joke too. In anime, there is one main trope in the romcom genre: that a woman will fall in love with a man if he has a 'good heart' - they will typically be kind, caring, selfless, etc. despite other flaws they may have. They will often act to 'save' the woman from some situation; he is her 'knight in shining armor' who will care for her. Why is this a trope? It is because in real life, typically people want partners with such traits for long term relationships. Let's talk about Ruka first because her character is very obvious. Ruka knows that Kazuya does a lot for Chizuru despite her only being a rental, and Kazuya's friend Kuri explains this to her. She then goes on to experience this; in season 1 episode 7 she trips from the stairs and Kazuya jumps to save her. What does this tell Ruka? It tells her that Kazuya's a caring person who will act to make sure another person is okay at the expense of his own safety and inconvenience. In addition, Kazuya does this despite Ruka being a nobody to him. Prior, he even pleads with Ruka to not expose Chizuru demonstrating that he cares deeply about others' feelings. Kazuya demonstrates that he is kind and caring at heart to Ruka? Check. Kazyua saves Ruka? Check. These are very, very obvious in-your-face tropes in romcom that serve as reasons to why a woman falls in love with a man. In some YouTube videos, the reviewers are completely oblivious as to why Ruka likes Kazuya, that it's baffling that they cannot even grasp or do not even know of basic romcom tropes. It's akin to not making a connection between "X enters house, X exits house" and "X is no longer hungry"; it is literally the reviewers being 'too dumb' to understand a story. The author even writes through dialog (Ruka: "if you care this much about a rental, you'll surely treat a real girlfriend much better!"), yet the reviewers still could not comprehend this. I am not suggesting that it is good writing to use such tropes, but it was obvious the direction the story was going from the moment Ruka fell from the stairs. If the reviewers cannot even comprehend this much, how exactly would they grasp and critique any other part of the story? Chizuru's case is a bit more complicated. You are right that the main reason Chizuru has some feelings for Kazuya is because he saves her (again the "kind, caring man who will jump in to save a woman in distress" trope). To understand why Chizuru acts the way she does, we have to understand a bit about her character. Chizuru is very stoic by nature, and is more accepting of others' odd behaviors and personalities. How do we know this? Because she's a top amateur rental and understands well the type of people who use the rental service (people with Kazuya's mindset). She aspires to be an actress, so she gains a lot of perspective of others' struggles through the service. She states that the purpose of the rental service is to "stop the bleeding"; it's a form of therapy for clients to help them develop confidence and social skills to function in the real world. Moreover, she is insecure and somewhat relates to her clients, and puts herself in their shoes ("after a year of doing rentals, I know how hard it is for these people!" or something along those lines). Why wasn't Chizuru bothered by Kazuya's stalking? Because she understands what Kazyua's like, i.e. he's insecure, paranoid and obsessed, but ultimately has no malicious intent. In fact, his intent was to make sure she was safe and Chizuru knows this (again, the "I care a lot about you" trope, but Kazuya is just very irrational with his approach). Her reaction is quite expected for her as a character, but obviously a character such as Mami would have a completely different reaction ("you are a loser, and I'm going to tell everyone about it"). I thought Sumi's case was least well written, because we have not explored her character in any depth. |
| Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, the anime itself is good and it has its own unique style to it but i only hate the mc for being such an wuss, sometimes you don't even understand what he's trying to do, but everyone gotta watch what they like obviously |
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| I dont know why many hate this show. I feel like they do it because its the popular thing to do. Yes, in season 1, it could get a bit cringy every now and then, with the male MC's pervyness and how weak he with with the brown hair female MC. But that wont change the fact that R-A-G has been one of the most entertaining comedy anime I have seen in years. |
ktg said: Opticflash said: Quality is about the manner in which an author expresses his or her thoughts through a fictional representation. It is an analysis of the goals and mindset of the author, what exactly they want to present, and the feelings they try to invoke in the audience through the techniques they use. The analysis attempts to answer questions about the aspects of the story such as "why does this character exist? what is their purpose? what did the author envision when they wrote this character or story?" The overarching theme of RAG is "MC is silly and does irrational stuff that causes drama and stressful situations, that continuously keeps the audience in fearful anticipation". It's presentation is slightly above average simply because it achieves this quite effectively. Chizuru is portrayed quite well because through her character we have an idea of who she is fundamentally (the author breathes 'life' to the character to tell us about her). To be more precise, it needs to be believable only when it pertains to the specific goals of the author and the nuances of a theme. It does not need to be believable simply because of the setting or "rules" of the story (these are called contradictions rather than "character X's actions make no sense to me"). Proof: Comedy such as Family Guy often have characters act in strange ways, despite its modern setting, because absurdity is the basis for comedy. The goal of the producers of Family Guy is not to create anything that is believable, but precisely the exact opposite of believability for laughs. In Kaguya Sama, the question is never "why does Kaguya like Shirogane and why don't they just confess to each other instead of doing all these silly little stunts?" because that's not the author's goal of answering the question in a rational manner. The author's goal is to make the characters absurd and behave in ways that one would never expect in real life. In another example, in Tonikaku Kawaii the author's goal is for the audience to feel the romance between the main characters, but the author hastily introduced the characters' love through a one-time interaction (thus making their love 'unbelievable'). The problem with this is that it is in stark contrast to their goal as an author, not that lack of believability is inherently a problem. It depends on the specificity of the scene. If the hungry person went inside the neighbor's house and the reviewer could not comprehend for the life of them how X is no longer hungry after watching them walk out of the house, they have no business reviewing or critiquing fiction. If we know that character X has eaten nothing during that time, then it is unbelievable. In anime, there is one main trope in the romcom genre: that a woman will fall in love with a man if he has a 'good heart' - they will typically be kind, caring, selfless, etc. despite other flaws they may have. They will often act to 'save' the woman from some situation; he is her 'knight in shining armor' who will care for her. Why is this a trope? It is because in real life, typically people want partners with such traits for long term relationships. Let's talk about Ruka first because her character is very obvious. Ruka knows that Kazuya does a lot for Chizuru despite her only being a rental, and Kazuya's friend Kuri explains this to her. She then goes on to experience this; in season 1 episode 7 she trips from the stairs and Kazuya jumps to save her. What does this tell Ruka? It tells her that Kazuya's a caring person who will act to make sure another person is okay at the expense of his own safety and inconvenience. In addition, Kazuya does this despite Ruka being a nobody to him. Prior, he even pleads with Ruka to not expose Chizuru demonstrating that he cares deeply about others' feelings. Kazuya demonstrates that he is kind and caring at heart to Ruka? Check. Kazyua saves Ruka? Check. These are very, very obvious in-your-face tropes in romcom that serve as reasons to why a woman falls in love with a man. In some YouTube videos, the reviewers are completely oblivious as to why Ruka likes Kazuya, that it's baffling that they cannot even grasp or do not even know of basic romcom tropes. It's akin to not making a connection between "X enters house, X exits house" and "X is no longer hungry"; it is literally the reviewers being 'too dumb' to understand a story. The author even writes through dialog (Ruka: "if you care this much about a rental, you'll surely treat a real girlfriend much better!"), yet the reviewers still could not comprehend this. I am not suggesting that it is good writing to use such tropes, but it was obvious the direction the story was going from the moment Ruka fell from the stairs. If the reviewers cannot even comprehend this much, how exactly would they grasp and critique any other part of the story? Chizuru's case is a bit more complicated. You are right that the main reason Chizuru has some feelings for Kazuya is because he saves her (again the "kind, caring man who will jump in to save a woman in distress" trope). To understand why Chizuru acts the way she does, we have to understand a bit about her character. Chizuru is very stoic by nature, and is more accepting of others' odd behaviors and personalities. How do we know this? Because she's a top amateur rental and understands well the type of people who use the rental service (people with Kazuya's mindset). She aspires to be an actress, so she gains a lot of perspective of others' struggles through the service. She states that the purpose of the rental service is to "stop the bleeding"; it's a form of therapy for clients to help them develop confidence and social skills to function in the real world. Moreover, she is insecure and somewhat relates to her clients, and puts herself in their shoes ("after a year of doing rentals, I know how hard it is for these people!" or something along those lines). Why wasn't Chizuru bothered by Kazuya's stalking? Because she understands what Kazyua's like, i.e. he's insecure, paranoid and obsessed, but ultimately has no malicious intent. In fact, his intent was to make sure she was safe and Chizuru knows this (again, the "I care a lot about you" trope, but Kazuya is just very irrational with his approach). Her reaction is quite expected for her as a character, but obviously a character such as Mami would have a completely different reaction ("you are a loser, and I'm going to tell everyone about it"). I thought Sumi's case was least well written, because we have not explored her character in any depth. 1. The analysis about the characters' purpose only works if they have purpose. And that's a big problem, because in many shows they doesn't have. Just because of the main aspect is above average that doesn't make the whole show above average. And no, even that aspect doesn't work, because as we know, people are not really in fear. 2. It have to follow rules and Family Guy is pretty bad example, because it does follow the rules. Just the show doesn't have many rules. That's the point. And yes, the absurdity makes it funny, but that's absurdity is not ruled out by the rules. The absurdity is within the rules. And you are wrong about Kaguya-sama, because that's actually was a question and actually got answered. 3. And you are wrong about harem too. When the MC saves or tries to save a girl, then we already know about the MC's positive side. He can be clever, strong, funny, dependable. While in this case the way to be slightly believable their feelings, he needed to save the girl. But even fkn iCarly knows that you can't base a relationships on a save, because that's not how relationships work. 4. You are wrong about Ruka, because she didn't fall in love when Kazuya saved her. She only fell in love when she saw a number on her phone. That's all. Ruka NEVER considered Kazuya's personality or anything he did. And that's true even for now. She does understand that Kazuya loves Chizuru, I mean "loves", but she doesn't really care and keep pushing even if it ruins their relationship. Kazuya is not a caring person. If you lie to make your life easier, but makes your loved one's life harder, then you are not a caring person. The basic romcom never uses only the saves as a base. 5. Chizuru's understanding Kazuya makes much more obvious why she shouldn't or wouldn't fall in love with him. You just proved me right. 1. The analysis about the characters' purpose only works if they have purpose. And that's a big problem, because in many shows they doesn't have. Just because of the main aspect is above average that doesn't make the whole show above average. And no, even that aspect doesn't work, because as we know, people are not really in fear. Every character has a purpose, and that purpose is dictated by the author. 2. It have to follow rules and Family Guy is pretty bad example, because it does follow the rules. Just the show doesn't have many rules. That's the point. And yes, the absurdity makes it funny, but that's absurdity is not ruled out by the rules. The absurdity is within the rules. RAG's story does not break any of its own 'rules'. And you are wrong about Kaguya-sama, because that's actually was a question and actually got answered. It does not answer the question "why don't they just confess rather than act juvenile?", because the author is not interested in answering such question. It's not the author's purpose for the story; the point is not to be believable. 3. And you are wrong about harem too. When the MC saves or tries to save a girl, then we already know about the MC's positive side. He can be clever, strong, funny, dependable. While in this case the way to be slightly believable their feelings, he needed to save the girl. But even fkn iCarly knows that you can't base a relationships on a save, because that's not how relationships work. The basic romcom never uses only the saves as a base. The quality of a story doesn't depend on what other harems usually do, thus the MC being clever, strong, etc. is completely irrelevant when judging any specific show's content. The quality depends on the purpose set by the author, and how the author conveyed his or her thoughts. "While in this case the way to be slightly believable their feelings" - that's the entire purpose of the highlight of Ruka's relationship. Ruka's purpose is to be a parody of real relationships, and her role within the story is to act as the crazy girlfriend to create drama, i.e., the exact opposite of 'believability'. Her purpose is not to emphasize any realistic behavior or represent any romantic relationship that the audience can experience vicariously through, or one that can pull their heartstrings. Her character functions on the basis of comedy alone, specifically one that parodies normal behavior. 4. You are wrong about Ruka, because she didn't fall in love when Kazuya saved her. She only fell in love when she saw a number on her phone. That's all. Ruka NEVER considered Kazuya's personality or anything he did. And that's true even for now. She does understand that Kazuya loves Chizuru, I mean "loves", but she doesn't really care and keep pushing even if it ruins their relationship. You missed the entire point of the story that I have to repeat it to you again. Kuri explains to Ruka how heroic Kazuya is. Kazuya saves Ruka despite hardly knowing her. Ruka says "If you care so much about a rental, you'll surely treat a real girlfriend much better!" It's so incredibly obvious that these are reasons why Ruka likes Kazuya, because it tells her that Kazuya has a "good heart". Ruka ABSOLUTELY DID consider Kazuya's personality, and the author even had to write it through the characters' dialog for the masses. These are clear tropes in anime and romance shows, and in this case the author does not even try to hide it. A reasoning was provided. Whether you agree to the reasoning is irrelevant; these are tropes used over and over in romance stories. 5. Chizuru's understanding Kazuya makes much more obvious why she shouldn't or wouldn't fall in love with him. You just proved me right. In other words, "I can't provide any legitimate argument to refute your points, but I'm right." You clearly don't understand the story, nor my previous post. |
OpticflashSep 9, 2022 11:17 PM
I-IentaiLover said: ktg said: 1. The analysis about the characters' purpose only works if they have purpose. And that's a big problem, because in many shows they doesn't have. Just because of the main aspect is above average that doesn't make the whole show above average. And no, even that aspect doesn't work, because as we know, people are not really in fear. 2. It have to follow rules and Family Guy is pretty bad example, because it does follow the rules. Just the show doesn't have many rules. That's the point. And yes, the absurdity makes it funny, but that's absurdity is not ruled out by the rules. The absurdity is within the rules. And you are wrong about Kaguya-sama, because that's actually was a question and actually got answered. 3. And you are wrong about harem too. When the MC saves or tries to save a girl, then we already know about the MC's positive side. He can be clever, strong, funny, dependable. While in this case the way to be slightly believable their feelings, he needed to save the girl. But even fkn iCarly knows that you can't base a relationships on a save, because that's not how relationships work. 4. You are wrong about Ruka, because she didn't fall in love when Kazuya saved her. She only fell in love when she saw a number on her phone. That's all. Ruka NEVER considered Kazuya's personality or anything he did. And that's true even for now. She does understand that Kazuya loves Chizuru, I mean "loves", but she doesn't really care and keep pushing even if it ruins their relationship. Kazuya is not a caring person. If you lie to make your life easier, but makes your loved one's life harder, then you are not a caring person. The basic romcom never uses only the saves as a base. 5. Chizuru's understanding Kazuya makes much more obvious why she shouldn't or wouldn't fall in love with him. You just proved me right. I never thought there would be a day when I spent even a small portion of time arguing with goobers online. Look bro I'm done with this argument I don't give a fuck about you opinion. I love the show and I think the quality is fucking great; so go cry to your mom about it. I know opinions can be scary sometimes, because they could differ from you own but you can try I believe in you anyway I'm out chow Its quite evident when you've abandoned your own pity party thread and couldnt hold a conversation without lashing out that you were done arguing. You had no argument to begin with. |
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