Whats wrong with Beta MC ?

TheNeekOfficial said:

the terms don’t even apply to wolves either. look up the story behind alpha wolves and stuff and you’ll find out it was from a shoddy in captivity subject pool, that even the person who came up with the idea behind it, wants it to change.

Elviri27 said:
I don't understand the obsession men have with calling other men beta, alfa and those kind of things. It's just incredibly stupid. I can't imagine any women wanting to have anything to do with men using that kind of vocabulary.

From a woman's point of view the mc is simply very cute. I totally understand why the girl wants to protect him. And it obviously makes her happy to do that, so what's the problem?

dlee2040 said:

At least from what I've seen, it seems to be about 50/50 on this one. Most women I've encountered absolutely hate terms like alpha male, beta male, sigma male, or any of that male astrology crap. Most people who use terms like these clearly have very little experience talking to women and are stupid enough to believe that any of the advice that self-proclaimed "alpha males" give is any good. Besides, having to look up hours of videos on how to get a girlfriend is extremely pathetic.

Like half the people I see online defending Izumi seem to be women. While there are definitely women who despise Izumi, I've also seen fans of the series straight up call him the "ideal boyfriend." I've also heard that Shikimori actually has a pretty large female following, at least in Japan, but I have no sources, so take it with a grain of salt. Although considering the lack of sexual fanservice and the fact that the premise is basically a shoujo manga, but with a focus on role reversal, it's probably isn't really a surprise at all.

I seriously never understood the whole criticism about Izumi being feminine. Literally the whole premise of the series is about gender role-reversal, in other words, the girlfriend is more masculine while the boyfriend is more feminine. Him being feminine is literally the point so why are people so mad about it. It's like watching a yuri/yaoi anime and then hating on it for having gay characters in it. I guess it's fine to not like feminine male MCs but if that is the only reason you don't like the show, then that's not really the anime's fault, that's something that has to do with your preferences. Now if you hate Izumi because you think he's boring or a self-insert, that's a completely different story and actual criticism, but so much of the criticism I see regarding Izumi is nothing more than people forcing their own political beliefs on how men and women should act and insecurities onto others. It's dull, not insightful at all, repetitive, annoying, and unsupported.

nabewry said:
I've wrote a whole paragraph 3x longer than this quote of yours several times already, in this site alone, about how I think this show is bad. Not only me there's a lot of ppl doing the same. I ain't gonna spoonfed you this time, go look for it yourself, it's easy. Stop the "ppl hate him just because he's feminine" and "forcing their own political belief" bullshit. Even the "alpha" guy can be cringe as well. Heck even I found 90% of shoujo alpha ML cringe af. It's about the execution.

This is also why the show got even more hated, the fans always start a play victim agenda as if ppl who hate it had no brain. Y'all only see the bad and half argument and treat it like it's the only reason of the hate, while ignoring the proper argumentation. Idc anymore tho honestly, I'll just do several trolls here and there, not interested in proper discussion anymore. I bet a lot of ppl thought so and done the same. Don't blame the trolls, the fans of this anime is super annoying and talk too much, so we're just enjoy our victory because this show got a bad reputation already. The fans goes from talking shit about Marin from dress up darling into fighting general consensus hahah

PoisonedSandwich said:
I don't mind a timid MC at all, but judging from the first episode, I feel like Izumi is going to be used as a device to show how awesome Shikimori is rather than an actual character with his own personality.
i'll still watch a few more episodes though, i've had a few people tell me it's going to be better.

Gutzdeep42 said:
@pridesage really? anyone that considers themselves an actual man and isnt just some delusional weak ass piece of garbage and total loser would be ashamed to no end due to being constantly being protected or saved by a chick... may as well just get their balls snipped.