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Jul 12, 2022 1:39 AM
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After watching episode 7 i have a question in my mind

Can you redeem yourself by saving 1000 people after killing 100?
Jul 12, 2022 1:50 AM
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Not really. Saving 1000 doesn't revive those 100 people you killed.
Jul 12, 2022 2:03 AM
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Nope. Hiro is an irredeemable psychopath and he was saving people for fun just like he was murdering people for fun.
You should actually ask this question to families of the people he murdered.

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Jul 12, 2022 2:28 AM
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DrBalls said:
Not really. Saving 1000 doesn't revive those 100 people you killed.

but not saving the 1000 doesn't keep them alive. Its kinda like the thing where killing a person to save a lot of ppl, except this a lil more on the dark side
Jul 12, 2022 2:29 AM
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SM_Anime said:
DrBalls said:
Not really. Saving 1000 doesn't revive those 100 people you killed.

but not saving the 1000 doesn't keep them alive. Its kinda like the thing where killing a person to save a lot of ppl, except this a lil more on the dark side

Yeah but you can't fix what you destroyed regardless in this case. Sure saving 1000 people is good, however it's not going to undo or dismiss the fact that you killed those 100 people.
Jul 12, 2022 2:34 AM
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DrBalls said:
SM_Anime said:

but not saving the 1000 doesn't keep them alive. Its kinda like the thing where killing a person to save a lot of ppl, except this a lil more on the dark side

Yeah but you can't fix what you destroyed regardless in this case. Sure saving 1000 people is good, however it's not going to undo or dismiss the fact that you killed those 100 people.

bit I dont think its meant to undo what you've previously done, it's to try to receive a token of redemption from it. this kinda reminds me of that bible story of that tax collector who gave back 4x the amount he took, but obviously you cant return human life. in my eyes I'd accept a person like that, but id try to stay a large distance from them
Jul 12, 2022 6:48 AM
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But if you kill 100 bad guys for saving a thousand people? It is acceptable? It's not?
Jul 12, 2022 9:51 AM
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Sorin-Skkkrrab said:
But if you kill 100 bad guys for saving a thousand people? It is acceptable? It's not?
But he killed all the people randomly without considering who is good or who is evil unlike kira. Because of that i think kira can be forgiven for his sins.
Jul 12, 2022 10:08 AM
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Sand_bag said:
Sorin-Skkkrrab said:
But if you kill 100 bad guys for saving a thousand people? It is acceptable? It's not?
But he killed all the people randomly without considering who is good or who is evil unlike kira. Because of that i think kira can be forgiven for his sins.

I don't think he can be forgiven since he started killing people who got in his way regardless if they were innocent or not (like Naomi Misora and L) the difference is Kira did all of this in order to reach a greater good, meanwhile Hiro just killed people randomly and for me it looked like he didn't have a purpose whatsoever.
Jul 12, 2022 10:31 AM
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Almibar said:
Sand_bag said:
But he killed all the people randomly without considering who is good or who is evil unlike kira. Because of that i think kira can be forgiven for his sins.

I don't think he can be forgiven since he started killing people who got in his way regardless if they were innocent or not (like Naomi Misora and L) the difference is Kira did all of this in order to reach a greater good, meanwhile Hiro just killed people randomly and for me it looked like he didn't have a purpose whatsoever.
Yes that's what I'm saying that kira had a greater goal and in order to achieve that some sacrifices need to be made along the way and coz of that imo kira is right.
Jul 12, 2022 10:34 AM
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Sand_bag said:
Almibar said:

I don't think he can be forgiven since he started killing people who got in his way regardless if they were innocent or not (like Naomi Misora and L) the difference is Kira did all of this in order to reach a greater good, meanwhile Hiro just killed people randomly and for me it looked like he didn't have a purpose whatsoever.
Yes that's what I'm saying that kira had a greater goal and in order to achieve that some sacrifices need to be made along the way and coz of that imo kira is right.

Yeah, he's totally one of my favorite characters for that reason.
Jul 12, 2022 3:08 PM
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Ok so for me I loved Hiro the entire show ๐Ÿ˜…

BTW SPOILER WARNING

But I definitely think there was a redemption arch. Hiro killed people for fun, because it made him feel in control, when he felt that he didn’t have control over his own life, like his parents getting the divorce and he and his mom being poor. His powers he received gave him the ability to be in control of his life, and be able to help the people he loved (his mom and friend). But when he was finally convicted and his mom killed herself, it was like he’d started over, and he no longer held the reigns over his life. It broke him to see the one thing he tried to protect vanish, and his powers couldn’t do anything about it. His insanity grew worse, as he continued killing and eventually decided to hide at Shion (the girl’) house, and even almost killed them, even though they were feeding him and protecting him. But he grew to live Shion, and he found a new reason to live: for her. Shion gave him hope, and we can see that as he stopped killing for a while and was helping so many people. Throughout his life, Hiro felt alone, and hated people, another reason why he killed, but Shion helped him realize that the world isn’t as awful as it seems. But of course, this hope is taken from him when he watches Shion and her grandmother get gunned down before his eyes, and that hope he had for humanity vanished. He was able to save her, but he knew anyone he loved would be taken from him and hurt, so he had to leave her. Without a person to love in his life, Hiro grew worse and worse, as he had no guiding light anymore. He killed ruthlessly, until being defeated by Inuyashiki. It seemed that any light or Hope left in Hiro was gone at that point, as if he’d had no character development or redemption at all. But in the end, rather than letting the meteorite hit earth and kill everyone, he remembered Shion, and because he loved her, he didn’t want any harm to come to her. So he and Inuyashiki blew themselves up in order to save the people they love. Hiro grew so much in the show, as he learned to love someone during times of pain and chose love over destruction. Yes, I agree that his sadistic killing was awful, but he overcame his desires to kill and ended up choosing the life of another over his own.
Jul 14, 2022 5:09 PM
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Ok so for me I loved Hiro the entire show ๐Ÿ˜…

BTW SPOILER WARNING

But I definitely think there was a redemption arch. Hiro killed people for fun, because it made him feel in control, when he felt that he didn’t have control over his own life, like his parents getting the divorce and he and his mom being poor. His powers he received gave him the ability to be in control of his life, and be able to help the people he loved (his mom and friend). But when he was finally convicted and his mom killed herself, it was like he’d started over, and he no longer held the reigns over his life. It broke him to see the one thing he tried to protect vanish, and his powers couldn’t do anything about it. His insanity grew worse, as he continued killing and eventually decided to hide at Shion (the girl’) house, and even almost killed them, even though they were feeding him and protecting him. But he grew to live Shion, and he found a new reason to live: for her. Shion gave him hope, and we can see that as he stopped killing for a while and was helping so many people. Throughout his life, Hiro felt alone, and hated people, another reason why he killed, but Shion helped him realize that the world isn’t as awful as it seems. But of course, this hope is taken from him when he watches Shion and her grandmother get gunned down before his eyes, and that hope he had for humanity vanished. He was able to save her, but he knew anyone he loved would be taken from him and hurt, so he had to leave her. Without a person to love in his life, Hiro grew worse and worse, as he had no guiding light anymore. He killed ruthlessly, until being defeated by Inuyashiki. It seemed that any light or Hope left in Hiro was gone at that point, as if he’d had no character development or redemption at all. But in the end, rather than letting the meteorite hit earth and kill everyone, he remembered Shion, and because he loved her, he didn’t want any harm to come to her. So he and Inuyashiki blew themselves up in order to save the people they love. Hiro grew so much in the show, as he learned to love someone during times of pain and chose love over destruction. Yes, I agree that his sadistic killing was awful, but he overcame his desires to kill and ended up choosing the life of another over his own.

At no point you have mentioned that he doesn't mind at all if people who he doesn't know die. It's not like he felt alone, but that he had different principles. I don't exactly know what the definition of psycho is, but I think that all that things aren't diseases per se, they are because they are not the 'normal' or the accepted principles.
If he was anyone of the family members from the people he has killed, then he would feel pain, emotions, but if he is not it nor a friend, he couldn't care less. When his mother died, he blamed the press, despite being him the responsible to a greater extent.
So I don't think he redeems at any point, but he just follows his values. He doesn't try to save the people, he just tries to save his beloved ones. He has never shown guilt for the people he killed, he just tried to please the girl so that he could stay with her. He tried to protect his father from the press, but all he did was to kill them without hesitation.
That's how I see it.

PS: Inuyashiki doesn't just try to save the people he love, he wants to save everyone. He has never killed anybody throughout the show, he has just 'punished' them so that they could think about what they did and repent.
And Hiro already knew how to love, as he loved his mother and stopped killing, for her, when he knew her opinion about what he did.
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lassiegirl said:
Ok so for me I loved Hiro the entire show ๐Ÿ˜…

BTW SPOILER WARNING

But I definitely think there was a redemption arch. Hiro killed people for fun, because it made him feel in control, when he felt that he didn’t have control over his own life, like his parents getting the divorce and he and his mom being poor. His powers he received gave him the ability to be in control of his life, and be able to help the people he loved (his mom and friend). But when he was finally convicted and his mom killed herself, it was like he’d started over, and he no longer held the reigns over his life. It broke him to see the one thing he tried to protect vanish, and his powers couldn’t do anything about it. His insanity grew worse, as he continued killing and eventually decided to hide at Shion (the girl’) house, and even almost killed them, even though they were feeding him and protecting him. But he grew to live Shion, and he found a new reason to live: for her. Shion gave him hope, and we can see that as he stopped killing for a while and was helping so many people. Throughout his life, Hiro felt alone, and hated people, another reason why he killed, but Shion helped him realize that the world isn’t as awful as it seems. But of course, this hope is taken from him when he watches Shion and her grandmother get gunned down before his eyes, and that hope he had for humanity vanished. He was able to save her, but he knew anyone he loved would be taken from him and hurt, so he had to leave her. Without a person to love in his life, Hiro grew worse and worse, as he had no guiding light anymore. He killed ruthlessly, until being defeated by Inuyashiki. It seemed that any light or Hope left in Hiro was gone at that point, as if he’d had no character development or redemption at all. But in the end, rather than letting the meteorite hit earth and kill everyone, he remembered Shion, and because he loved her, he didn’t want any harm to come to her. So he and Inuyashiki blew themselves up in order to save the people they love. Hiro grew so much in the show, as he learned to love someone during times of pain and chose love over destruction. Yes, I agree that his sadistic killing was awful, but he overcame his desires to kill and ended up choosing the life of another over his own.


Characterization of Hiro is about the only good thing in this show. Other bits are very inconsistent. Hiro is a typical sociopath. I've known ones in my life, the defining feature is they have no empathy, therefore cannot relate. It doesn't mean they don't have feelings, but it typically centers around themselves. Hiro is the same - he cannot relate to what others feel, but nevertheless he can feel happiness from people who care for him, and by extension can 'love them back'. However my understanding is for a sociopath, the reciprocal love is conditional on being loved, therefore it is still somewhat self-serving. But they are not necessarily manipulative (ie a psychopath which is a sociopath that is able to manipulate others for gains), and Hiro shows the naivety of one who simply doesn't understand. Kids often do cruel things to bugs, but eventually forms the morality as demanded by society. If this show is a thought experiment on what happens when ultimate power is given to a sociopath and a doormat, then it succeeded even if the doormat is very very annoying. Both wield their power aimlessly. The plot however, is just too convenient.
Oct 9, 2022 6:50 PM

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I think it's like the classic anime "I'll keep working to redeem myself my whole life" not sure if that's the exact quote but yeah. Basically I think it means it's something truly unforgivable, that not even this life time will be enough to atone for it, but will still try the hardest on doing it. Just an emphasis on how irreplaceable a human life is. So I think it's like trying to reach infinite, it's not possible to do ever, but still try to do it. Like he should keep saving lives for the remain of his lifetime.

There's also the reflecting your actions/regretting them for all of your life, thinking about what you did wrong. I feel like he can eventually reach that point, since he does care about some people, trying to understand the finite line between a stranger and someone you know and then someone you care about.

So tl:dr, no imo he can't redeem himself, but he should still save as many people as he can, it doesn't matter if it's for fun or if he really means to do it, him learning his lesson is a different. Then again it's not like I'm saying killing itself is evil forever, ofc some people have no other choice and I think it's quite the anime thing to say "you die as a person once you kill someone" I guess it's just a matter of japanese culture, how unforgivable it is, but yeah community service wouldn't be bad for him, since he has quite a lot of useful tools to help people.
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lassiegirl said:
Ok so for me I loved Hiro the entire show ๐Ÿ˜…

BTW SPOILER WARNING

But I definitely think there was a redemption arch. Hiro killed people for fun, because it made him feel in control, when he felt that he didn’t have control over his own life, like his parents getting the divorce and he and his mom being poor. His powers he received gave him the ability to be in control of his life, and be able to help the people he loved (his mom and friend). But when he was finally convicted and his mom killed herself, it was like he’d started over, and he no longer held the reigns over his life. It broke him to see the one thing he tried to protect vanish, and his powers couldn’t do anything about it. His insanity grew worse, as he continued killing and eventually decided to hide at Shion (the girl’) house, and even  almost killed them, even though they were feeding him and protecting him. But he grew to live Shion, and he found a new reason to live: for her. Shion gave him hope, and we can see that as he stopped killing for a while and was helping so many people. Throughout his life, Hiro felt alone, and hated people, another reason why he killed, but Shion helped him realize that the world isn’t as awful as it seems. But of course, this hope is taken from him when he watches Shion and her grandmother get gunned down before his eyes, and that hope he had for humanity vanished. He was able to save her, but he knew anyone he loved would be taken from him and hurt, so he had to leave her. Without a person to love in his life, Hiro grew worse and worse, as he had no guiding light anymore. He killed ruthlessly, until being defeated by Inuyashiki. It seemed that any light or Hope left in Hiro was gone at that point, as if he’d had no character development or redemption at all. But in the end, rather than letting the meteorite hit earth and kill everyone, he remembered Shion, and because he loved her, he didn’t want any harm to come to her. So he and Inuyashiki blew themselves up in order to save the people they love. Hiro grew so much in the show, as he learned to love someone during times of pain and chose love over destruction. Yes, I agree that his sadistic killing was awful, but he overcame his desires to kill and ended up choosing the life of another over his own.
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Jun 20, 2023 2:16 PM

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Even if you could theoretically redeem yourself by saving a 1000 after killing a 100, it would mean nothing in the end if you didn't feel genuine remorse for what you did and a real desire to atone, which Hiro doesn't. Hiro doesn't care about the people he killed. He only ever suggested saving people as a way to appease the girl he likes. Notice how even when he is healing people, he keeps looking at her for her reaction and even asks, "Are you happy with this?" And look how stone faced he is whenever the people thank him for saving their lives. He just doesn't care. He outright admits on multiple occasions he doesn't care about anyone who isn't his friends or family. That didn't change for that one episode he healed people.

He didn't heal people because he wanted to make up for the people he killed, but because he realized the girl he liked would leave him unless he appeased her by promising to save people to "make-up" for all the people he killed. She's the idiot for still liking him even after all the people he killed and feeling satisfied with that false platitude.
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A bad person can do good deeds, but that doesn't change the fundamental fact that they're a bad person.

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