Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari Season 2 Episode 7 Discussion

-ShadowClaw- said:


Wait so they didn't mention the fact that Kyo was the one that trapped them in the prison? That's weird... I wonder why they did that, hopefully next ep they explain that.

DarkGrundi said:

shhh, let people enjoy things.

FragmantLemon said:
For something called an "Infinite Labyrinth" they sure as hell got out of it pretty quickly

Really reeks of rushed pacing when we only really see 2 parts of this "infinite" labyrinth and the sudden screen blackout to Kizuna having the item Naofumi requested

DarkGrundi said:

shhh, let people enjoy things.

TigersAndDragons said:
Alright I'll admit this one was ok, better than the last two dumpster fires at least holy shit. A new character that actually gets setup and characterization and is actually interesting unlike every other new character this season. Speaking of which, if I had to give it a fault (besides the usual bad animation, generic cringe-inducing dialogue and shots, and the characters having zero logical motivation or rationale of course) I'd say the line "We have to avenge Ost" sums it up pretty well. Like I said in last episode's thread the other heroes and the villain being out of Naofumi's dimension stops not only the waves, but those heroes being in said waves. If they catch Book guy, they start again. So why, why, why are you helping them? Ost was a nothing character, and the vial of souls book guy had is nothing compared to the lives that will be lost when the waves restart. Stop. Being. So. Stupid.

Abraham_carter said:
I was thinking that this arc may atleast get the score up for the anime and I was waiting to watch this episode. But then I see raphtalia with naofumi. WTH!! Now I don't understand how are they gonna adapt the LN. There are some major developments when raphtalia gets lost and only naofumi and rishia arrive in jail.
I just hope that this anime does not go down more than it is already.

Sonson7 said:


Not really, since it basically goes the same way as the novel with at least with how they escaped the labrynth.

The item was from Napfumi also, lol.
He got reset back to lvl 1. But he has stillwith him the items he has when he got reisekaid.
Basically this proved that at least Kizuna did infact cleared the labrynth mystery while being trapped their for years, she just don't have the item to unlock the exit.
They also at least foreshadowed(even in the novel) that Naofumi is kinda bugging out, so having more entities in a program that has already some bugs in it can probably makr it to breakdown completely.
You could say that the infinite labrynth was more supposed to perfectly imprison entities from its own world but what about entities from another world.

Yaggamy said:


Naofumi and Rishia were bugging out because they were wearing equipment for which they didn't meet the level requirements.
Kizuna was bugging out and not gaining experience because she was close to another cardinal hero. They can't farm xp together.
Kizuna figured out that the Labyrinth has a capacity limit, but they didn't have time to wait years to reach it.

Marinate1016 said:


No because they completely butchered a massive part of the story by having Raphtalia be there.

Killuan said:


Anime onlies don't give a crap about what is different from the LN. They just want the episodes to be good. And this episode was really good. Largely because of child Raphtalia.

Nixzilla said:
I'm quite honestly baffled by how they are handling all this. Something must of went down behind scenes for them to just say fuck it and do their own thing.

Marinate1016 said:


Ok that’s good for you? Even without being a LN reader this ep sucked tho.

Killuan said:


As an LN reader i'd like for you to say why. Because the inclusion of Raphtalia is the only difference. The anime was faithful besides that. And there is one thing for certain that is tried and true. Raphtalia's cuteness will not hurt peoples perception of an episode.

Marinate1016 said:


Not reading all. Anime is trash and I explained in the OP why. Cry. Cope and mald.

DirectorK said:
LMAO! Keeping Rapthalia in the series and turning her back into her Level 1 loli form has got to be a desperate attempt by the studio to get people back into the series after all the screwups they made early on.

"Hey...uh... guys! Um... if you were disappointed with the earlier episodes this season don't worry! We fixed it all for this next arc! See, we've kept Raphtalia for this arc(even though she was suppose to leave) because everyone loves her what would Shield Hero be without everyone's favorite waifu? Yeah? And look, we've even turned her back into loli form! Because that's what made us fall in love with her first place! Right? Now you get to experience how cute and adorable she is all over again! Things are certainly looking up, right!"

"Right?"

"...right?"

Haha yeah, nice try Kinema Citrus. You're not fooling anyone. Guess that's what happens when you replace the original director. This is the result.

Sonson7 said:


Its not stupid, cause it is just not a vial, the vial contain "just a few million lives" so it is "big deal", that vial can freaking temporarily postpone the timer for a next wave, lol.
Also scouting the "enemy's territory" is a smart move and add that to making your enemies owe you can change up tge tide of battle.

Yeah, its not stupid, you are just simply so shprt sighted and close minded.

Sonson7 said:


Thanks for reminding me of that, I did forgot a lot of details since I read the manga quite a while ago, (manga so it also do skip a lot of things to begin with also).
But am I right that the Bioseed was from Naofumi?
The only big change I can remember is witg the Raphtalia part

TigersAndDragons said:

Millions compared to an entire world? Assuming there are even millions in the vial which is dubious at best. Plus, there were still souls in the turtle when it died, and where they fell a bunch of plants grew, so what are those souls gonna just jump out into people unlike the other ones that were free? You wanna risk your life for some soul plants?

Also "scounting the enemy's territory", what the fuck are you smoking mate? The enemy's territory that they have no intention of leaving until Book guy is captured? The enemy's territory that's another fucking DIMENSION that there's no guarantee of returning from? The enemy's territory that they went into for the express, stated purpose that is to save an inconsequential vial of a couple already-dead souls and avenging Ost the nothing character? Where do they mention scouting shit?

You're doing what fans of the Last Jedi did for that where you're inventing stuff to make it better. Stop huffing copium and pay attention to what actually happens, I was waiting for this for years, I loved the first season, so I'm not even trying to see flaws they just happen so blatantly it hurts. What a waste of potential.

Sonson7 said:
There is a guarantee of returning since Glass and the others are capable of crossing dimensions lol.

Sonson7 said:
They sre trying to stop Kyo because he said he will use the vial for something more bigger, more threatening than the spirit tortoise plan lol.

Sonson7 said:
You really are not even paying attention to what show youre so passionate to hate on now are we.

Sonson7 said:
They are not doing it just for the vial, or for ost but more because of whatever the Book guy plans to use that vial it will still led to Naofumi's world being destroyed.

Sonson7 said:
Also it make sense Naofumi to take such course of action since they basically brought up the question with Fitoria. If your watching you already know Naofumi's answer on what he is trying to save

Sonson7 said:
And they are not doing it just to avenge Ost lol, are you even watching.

Sonson7 said:
If Naofumi went with basic choices in season 1 to begin with, he probably died pretty early on. If he did not attempted to try the weapon leveling the other heroes told him in season 1 he wont be... blah blah

Sonson7 said:
How can Naofumi just leave the Book Guy with L'arc and the others' when they still needed Naofumi to stop the Spirit Turtle plan. If they fail Naofumi's world will still get destroyed either ways.

Sonson7 said:
It is also reoccuring the in Shield hero to explore the unexplored to learn more ways to streghten your self.

Sonson7 said:
Also having knowledge, of what is ahead.

Sonson7 said:
I doubt Glass and company won't even be able to stop Book Guy if Naofumi won't help them. And that helping them will be benificial

TigersAndDragons said:

So if those three people native to that dimension can do it, Naofumi, a visitor, can too? You mean like through the portal he couldn't enter without Ost's help? That's speculation, again, stop writing the script for them.

Something so much bigger it affects multiple universes? There's something that ridiculous in this setting? Assuming that was stated (it wasn't, Book guy implied, IMPLIED, he had plans, he never said he was gonna nuke the multiverse because why would that be possible), then the problem just transformed from nonsense protagonist motivation to ridiculous stake inflation. The world being destroyed wasn't bad enough?

Ironic coming the guy who either has prior source material knowledge or is actively making shit up to fix the script Last Jedi style. Hind sight is 20/20 I guess.

Said this already, but HOW DO WE KNOW THIS? STOP. WRITING. THE SCRIPT. FOR THEM.

I guess I missed the part where Fitoria and Naofumi had a conversation about what to do if he had the chance to teleport to an alternate dimension to fight sapient cardboard boxes. I guess it was in the source material, because it wasn't this episode, they never even met let alone spoke here.

He literally said that THIS episode. Are YOU even watching?

This entire paragraph is one long whataboutism, it's worthless like the rest of this comment. "sO wHaT iF NaOfUmI iS aCtInG sTuPiD, iN tHiS oThEr cIrCuMsTaNcE..." Utterly irrelevant.

Also I appreciate the absolute joke of appealing to Season 1 Naofumi as if they're even remotely the same character, he went from a badass yet flawed, antisocial angry asshole who still tries to do the right thing, taking shit and orders from nobody, only holding onto his human connection due to his dedicated friends, to a generic harem MC spouting cringe inducing "M-M-asaka" level dialogue and risking his entire world and said friends for the sake of a vial of juice and a turtle's pet concubine he met 2 days ago. Fuck you and your revisionist history.

1. The Spirit Turtle is dead, what plan? Plus the Turtle never had a plan to begin with, it was mine controlled by Book guy.
2. For the love of all that is fucking holy, stop. writing. the script. for them. Where is it stated that Naofumi's world is in danger from this. If it's from the source material it's irrelevant, if not, that's speculation. Stop. It.

I'm guessing you meant to say "theme", in which case I have only one thing to say: "mUh ThEmEsss".
You really are a Last Jedi fan, aren't you?

Ahhhh, so you DO have prior knowledge, that answers that. So you're not speculating, you're just spoiled on future events and fixing problems post hoc.

For all we know helping them actively accelerates their eventual attack on the world Naofumi wants to protect and the Waves, helping them is the opposite of what he should do. You only know it's beneficial because you cheated and read the source.

Sonson7 said:

I still did not cheat because i did not think like you when this was the current part on the manga. Mostly because from past experience with anime. My weeb brain tells me L'arc and company falls under the trope of being the enemies you eventually join forces with.
Also with the insistent pondering from Fitoria asking Naofumi to save the people and not the world before the tortoise arc + people from the other world invading them now.

It makes sense to try to invade/infiltrate other worlds back if they keep on ivading your territory too.

It makes sense to chase after an item that the enemy is gonna use to destroy your world. I mean even if it is "implied", Book Guys plan is still so disatrous in scale even he's supposed team mates are here to stop him and is even willing to join hands with their mortal enemy

Even if larc and glass stop the book guy, what if Larc uses the vial anyway to destroy Naofumi's world since in as you said they are still an enemy.

It make sense to have an alliance woth an enemy who has history of joining forces with you to beat a common enemy.

Same way on how much as the other 3 hero from Naofumi's side has wronged him. Naofumi also is eventually gonna team up with them anyways to fight of the waves.

Even this episode just showed you a hero team up from other dimensions can break a labrynth that is supposed to keep you in an infinite imprisonment. The previous episode showed you a hero team from other dimensions can defeat a large ass turtle that can potentially halt the waves.


As I said this is more of you being rather so narrow minded. You're like being one of the three heroea right now and being so stupidly narrow minded and not seeing the bigger picture

Its common trope in an anime that their are enemies that will eventually become allies with the MC. And I'll tell you this L'arc looks like a damn freaking one.

TigersAndDragons said:

Okay now you're not even trying, everything you just said is just "it just makes sense because I say it does" and "this is eventually gonna happen so it makes sense because I say so" (besides the bit about Fitoria which simply makes no sense anyway, this other dimension has it's own Cardinal Heroes, Naofumi has no responsibility to Kizuna's world and no investment in it's problems and neither do we).

In order, what you've said is the following:
"Naofumi should help L'Arc and his world because in my experience-" = Subjective
"Naofumi should help L'Arc and his world because Fitoria said so" = Not Correct
"Invading this world makes sense because what if-" = Conjecture
"Chasing the vial makes sense because what if-" = Conjecture
"Helping L'Arc defeat Book guy to get the vial makes sense because what if-" = Conjecture
"Making a temporary alliance with someone who wants to destroy our world in order to defeat someone, thus accelerating the waves by ending that mission early, makes sense because he's our enemy too in a way I guess" = Nonsense
"Naofumi is going to team up with L'Arc and co to fight the waves that L'Arc and co actively want to happen and in fact take part in because I said so" = Actual Nonsense
"They can Deus Ex Machina because another Deus Ex Machina already happened" = Admittance of bad writing
"You are narrow minded." = You aren't consuming product
"Naofumi and L'Arc will team up because it's a trope" = Conjecture and Admittance of bad writing

It honestly feels like you didn't even bother thinking about anything I said, which is kinda sad for me when I'm trying to discuss this with you, but I guess that's your level of investment in this show, but then again mine is slowly slipping too though due to the terrible quality of this season.

AhriTheS3xyFox said:
Meh it was alright, but what made no sense is that, I thought Raphtalia would grow up as she levels up. I was expecting it to happen the next day. But nope. I wish she explained how the process and speed works. Because I feel like the logic gets ruined.

Marinate1016 said:
I’ve waited years to see kizuna animated and for the most part I’m satisfied with her. But as usual the anime straight up does what it want. Why the fuck is Raphtalia there when her separation is supposed to be a big part of the story??

I really don’t understand why the anime struggles to just adapt basic things in this story and insists on trampling on the LN. This is my second fave LN so yes I get really annoyed about these things because wtf? All you have to do is adapt what’s written. Instead, they’d rather omit, rewrite or just butcher shit.

At this point I’m only watching because I don’t drop anything.

AnimeisLife01 said:
probably cause they want you to read the ln so sale will up and they make money

Marinate1016 said:


Yea… doubt. You wouldn’t change the story if you want people to read the books.

AnimeisLife01 said:
that's why they change it so if you buy and read the book it'll be better

Marinate1016 said:


But no one is going to do that. Look at the score for this season, this doesn’t motivate anyone to go out andb buy it. It kinda has to be good for that? Like re zero, mushoku, 86 etc.