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| most interesting historical documentary i've ever seen |
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| Jesus, this was an actual documentary. We even had a guy sitting there, talking. Now I finally understand all the background |
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| Of course Julian's computer looks like it has a slightly more futuristic version of an operating system from the late 80s / early 90s. |
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| History goes full circle, FPA just looks like the Federation during its demise. I wonder who will become the second Rudolf. Hope it's not Yang :D He has his principles, at the very least. I guess even if Yang was "forced" to establish a military dictatorship (as suggested by many characters in the series), it would look like Reinhard's Empire. |
| "Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It" And it will always be, be it now or the future, it'll always repeat itself until the humanity is gone This reminds me a lot of "I have no mouth and I must scream" Well this is really good for the Empire, Alliance have to way to win They need "Miracle" xD |
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| This was quite insightful and funny to boot. I still want to erase the picture of those fat strippers from my memories xD |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Well if modern decadence is any measure to go by, I will say that we will be getting a galactic empire soon. That would be nice. |
| So it was basically the Weimar Republic followed by a fascist state trying to fix such a debauchery but making things worse. The whole point of this episode is, of course, that history will repeat itself as long as we keep ignoring it, "read a book kids". I love how this series is not praising the democratic period prior to Rudolf, and recognizes it served him to seize power and curtail individual freedoms with an overwhelming support of the citizens, unlike so many modern historians worshiping Weimar style periods just for being the polar opposite of fascism. |
| If only every episode were like this one, Yang would be proud. |
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SaiDrew said: Jesus, this was an actual documentary. We even had a guy sitting there, talking. Now I finally understand all the background Was a really clever way to do the backstory instead of making it follow someone like Goldenbaum. |
| did eugenics science get destroyed w terra or smth? |
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| 2021 Rewatch All of this info is actually is in the first volume of the novel. The OVA has framed it as the documentary Julian watches as his shuttle goes to Heinessen. History of the galactic federation; a stagnant democracy with pirates in the lawless frontiers. The lack of belief in a divine saviour goes from encouraging self-reliance to pessimism. The masses not wanting to be responsible allow in the dictator who is. "consul for life" wow. That speech...Rudolf having a male heir with "Congenital Idiocy" really embarrassed him, having passed the Inferior Genes Exclusion Act. First we get to see of Arle Heinessen and his famous ship made of dry ice... At the end, Julian reflects on what Yang told him in the previous episode; that Reinhard's reforms may mean that the alliance is not need anymore. |
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| This episode contained a lot of historical details about the free pirates alliance and the empire might become my new fav ep besides ep 26 |
| Seeing a floppy disc is hilariously anachronistic. It's understandable that they used it given how old the series is but it still made me laugh out loud. |
 A society which fails to uphold empathy as its foremost guiding principle is doomed to ignore or even defend the exploitation of its most vulnerable members. |
mozgow said: 6 years late with my input, hope you don't mind. But I have also noticed this detail watching the episode, so I've come to this thread, seeing if people discussed it.Fronzel said: Do we have to assume that the war, which we've several times already seen kill millions in single battles, is to blame? I don't know. If nothing mayor happened until first contact between FPA and GE, then it would mean more than 2 billion people died each year after the war started. It's not impossible, but really hard to believe. And yes, as it turns out, this is just bad worldbuilding. No satisfactory explanation was offered for the (more than) steep decline. The most likely explanation is that the authors are just bad with numbers and botched it. Also @Fronzel |
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Railey2 said: I don't mind :)6 years late with my input, hope you don't mind. But it's really been six years since I've watched it... Railey2 said: The other explanation might be the novels did mention what happened but the anime adaption did not bother to do it (as something "not important").But I have also noticed this detail watching the episode, so I've come to this thread, seeing if people discussed it. And yes, as it turns out, this is just bad worldbuilding. No satisfactory explanation was offered for the (more than) steep decline. The most likely explanation is that the authors are just bad with numbers and botched it. Also @Fronzel |
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mozgow said: seems unlikely to me, but maybe there'll be a LOTGH-expert who proves me wrong in another 6 years? They better have a good explanation for a more than 80% drop in population over like what, 200 years? Maybe the aliens attacked? ;)Railey2 said: I don't mind :)6 years late with my input, hope you don't mind. But it's really been six years since I've watched it... Railey2 said: The other explanation might be the novels did mention what happened but the anime adaption did not bother to do it (as something "not important").But I have also noticed this detail watching the episode, so I've come to this thread, seeing if people discussed it. And yes, as it turns out, this is just bad worldbuilding. No satisfactory explanation was offered for the (more than) steep decline. The most likely explanation is that the authors are just bad with numbers and botched it. Also @Fronzel Here's to hoping. Cheers~ |
Railey2Mar 14, 2022 4:07 PM
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Railey2 said: mozgow said: seems unlikely to me, but maybe there'll be a LOTGH-expert who proves me wrong in another 6 years? They better have a good explanation for a more than 80% drop in population over like what, 200 years? Maybe the aliens attacked? ;)I don't mind :) But it's really been six years since I've watched it... The other explanation might be the novels did mention what happened but the anime adaption did not bother to do it (as something "not important"). Here's to hoping. Cheers~ According to the novels: "Moreover, the total population of humanity, which had numbered three hundred billion at the height of the Galactic Federation’s prosperity, had by this time plummeted to forty billion, due to the long years of chaos." So I guess the war and other hardships happening over a couple hundred years cause humanity to decline, like what we're expecting to see happen to the likes of Japan by 2050 (125 million to 100 million.) |
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_cjessop19_ said: yeah and this is just bad worldbuilding imo.Railey2 said: seems unlikely to me, but maybe there'll be a LOTGH-expert who proves me wrong in another 6 years? They better have a good explanation for a more than 80% drop in population over like what, 200 years? Maybe the aliens attacked? ;) Here's to hoping. Cheers~ According to the novels: "Moreover, the total population of humanity, which had numbered three hundred billion at the height of the Galactic Federation’s prosperity, had by this time plummeted to forty billion, due to the long years of chaos." So I guess the war and other hardships happening over a couple hundred years cause humanity to decline, like what we're expecting to see happen to the likes of Japan by 2050 (125 million to 100 million.) 40 is just 13.3% of 300. To get that low within just a handful of generations, you'd have to see genocide on an unprecedented scale. It would actually have to be so bad that it'd make the original Goldenbaum guy look like Gandhi. Societal collapse would be inevitable. They definitely messed up the numbers. Even more curious that the anime did not bother to mention this at all, they just kinda glossed over it. To make another comparison, a similar drop would be Japan reaching a population of just 16 million people, which is just a little less than the population of the Netherlands, and also a long shot from any projections. Nope, not buying it. Not buying it at all. But thanks for the info anyways. |
Railey2Mar 15, 2022 10:46 AM
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Railey2 said: _cjessop19_ said: yeah and this is just bad worldbuilding imo.According to the novels: "Moreover, the total population of humanity, which had numbered three hundred billion at the height of the Galactic Federation’s prosperity, had by this time plummeted to forty billion, due to the long years of chaos." So I guess the war and other hardships happening over a couple hundred years cause humanity to decline, like what we're expecting to see happen to the likes of Japan by 2050 (125 million to 100 million.) To get that low within just a handful of generations, you'd have to see genocide on an unprecedented scale. It would actually have to be so bad that it'd make the original Goldenbaum guy look like Gandhi. Societal collapse would be inevitable. do you actually watch anime or are you one of those people that watch at 2x the speed on a second monitor while also on your phone? did you miss all the mentions and actual happenings of multi-million casualty space battles in this multi-hundred year war? |
Tyestor said: just like the writers, you are also bad with numbers.Railey2 said: yeah and this is just bad worldbuilding imo. To get that low within just a handful of generations, you'd have to see genocide on an unprecedented scale. It would actually have to be so bad that it'd make the original Goldenbaum guy look like Gandhi. Societal collapse would be inevitable. do you actually watch anime or are you one of those people that watch at 2x the speed on a second monitor while also on your phone? did you miss all the mentions and actual happenings of multi-million casualty space battles in this multi-hundred year war? A few battles where a couple million people die are not nearly enough to explain a 90% drop in population. 260 BILLION people is a whole different order of magnitude. Multiple orders of magnitude, in fact. You can take some time and learn the difference between a million and a billion now, better late than never I say. Don't defend the indefensible. Populations don't decrease by that much, not even during war, unless there's some serious genocide. But of that, there was no mention. It's just bad woldbuilding. |
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| yeah, the anime universe history is like repeating ww2 events and the nazis, lol. still, the way the anime presented them, had deep meaning in saying how humankind will never change, and always will go to some point. exactly as the opening notes says. must say though, that the way the history started was kind of interesting and original way, with the pirates of space thingy lol. also the fact that democracy isn't necessarily good thing, and dictatorship isn't bad at the most. by far i see how the anime is preferring reinhard ruling with government reforms over corrupted democracy. but in this episode it's seems to think the neutral way. |
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| I could be wrong, but I remember a few episodes back someone said Lohengramm was close to becoming a new Rudolf in his ways if he kept going the way he was, if that's the case that might make more sense now with how the Goldenbaum Dynasty was driven out of the empire although not too much going on this episode, the history lesson was kind of a neat way of teaching this information, it's way better than if they dumped all this knowledge at episode 4 or so just for everyone to forget it later on like with how some shows feel. |
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User-Name said: must say though, that the way the history started was kind of interesting and original way, with the pirates of space thingy lol. also the fact that democracy isn't necessarily good thing, and dictatorship isn't bad at the most. by far i see how the anime is preferring reinhard ruling with government reforms over corrupted democracy. but in this episode it's seems to think the neutral way The best of LoGH. It presents things in gray areas and never blinds itself to one ideology. |
| Great history lesson! Also teaches us some valuable lessons |
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| Really well put historic episode, can't believe I enjoyed it this much. Really happy to finally get to know history of the this universe better. It seems that Rudolf ruling, besides certain small differences reminds of certain other historical ruler and his methods. But as they say, mankind keeps repeating the same historical mistakes over and over again. We really need more episodes like this in anime, it just does whole history telling so fairly and admirabliy |
| one of my favorite episode of the show, very well done. |
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| Quite the informative episode, but just like many others the sudden scene shot on those nude strippers caught me offguard |
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| What is technically just a long exposition dump had me totally hooked. It was just so interesting. The format of having a character watch a documentary is so straight to the point lol. The lore is so awesome with how much it parallels history of real life, and how it is then repeating again in time in the current show. Just sick. |
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