Najimi’s gender…..again

Banisoup said:
I know for certain people it can be a funny joke and heck honestly I've met gender fluid people who don't care and respond to all she/he s they/thems. But for a lot of people it's not a joke, it's there whole lives, so being upset you don't get to hear the jokes vs being bullied and mistreated for who you are just aren't on the same levels, so to me it's really not a big deal that they decided to be sensitive. It's not like the show doesn't have more nuanced jokes, right? Same characters? Same romance?

HanBoitheLamb said:

but thats real people this is fiction and it ruins the joke of Najimi who is a fictional character which the author wants the character to do this certain thing this way in this case the joke of are you man or woman

Banisoup said:
Apparently within the LGBTQ community a lot of people really appreciate this character since they're a main character. And those people aren't fiction but this character still resonates with them. I don't know, I don't really understand how anyone can look at a form of media or art or poetry or joke or music and say it has no meaning, it has no real life consequences. Clearly it evoked something in you, I don't know if you feel strongly about LGBTQ people, dislike, or don't care, but if it's not a big deal because it's not real life, then why does integrity even matter? Why does changing a joke matter? It's not real people they're just characters.

Do you see what I'm saying?

It's either that you want the funny gender jokes, or people who are bullied and mistreated for their identies get a little win. So I see this as more of an inconvenience for you.

truth999 said:
I’m pretty sure that it worst to change a character original gender just to appeal to people and change what the original creator wanted then it would to leave it the same imagine if In an anime there was originally a gender neutral character but the dub changed it to a male or female that would be very bad I do think that anime should add lgbtq characters I don’t think that while making a dub you should change what the original store or character

Banisoup said:
And a lot of people do think dubs should stick to interpreting subs in their entirety, I totally agree with that to the best of their abilities. But I also think that Japan has a bit more issues when it comes to things like gender and race. So say they have a racist black character in a show, would it be a bad thing if it were dubbed and they altered that character to be less racist? I say racist, but the racism is almost always played for jokes.

TV shows, manga, art that you pay to look at, you're making it for other people to enjoy, making it to where it's more inclusive is going to bring in more people, and I don't understand why inclusion bothers others so much. I don't like hurting people or bullying them for jokes, so it's lost on me.

"imagine if In an anime there was originally a gender neutral character but the dub changed it to a male or female that would be very bad" If you think that would be very bad, removing this gendered neutral character, then you have to admit that it does affect real people and it's not just about 'it being fiction' and artist' integrity.

Though our dumb (mine included, don't worry!) human brains don't like change, that doesn't always mean that it's a bad thing. I think you should really consider this.

FreshSalmon827 said:

I don’t get your point. Isn’t the point of Najimi that no one knows Najimis gender. Wouldn’t it ruin it if they used pronouns?

truth999 said:
I do think media have an effect on real life for sure. And for honestly although a racist character would be good and that Japan does still have a way to go to be more open minded about things I do think that we should make a racist character less racist cause it either 1. just straight up racist character to everyone including Japanese also think it racist and would get it own backlash and not gain popularity 2. It was to show racism and it making the show have realism cause there is a lot of racist in the world 3. It a racist joke for Japanese people like I’ve seen a few times but for people who don’t find it funny it both pretty offensive but I do believe it fall into the my second point and first point but none less I don’t think it should be changed

truth999 said:
I it would ruin the joke because instead of using both he and she and making it into a joke najimi has a

Banisoup said:
I know for certain people it can be a funny joke and heck honestly I've met gender fluid people who don't care and respond to all she/he s they/thems. But for a lot of people it's not a joke, it's there whole lives, so being upset you don't get to hear the jokes vs being bullied and mistreated for who you are just aren't on the same levels, so to me it's really not a big deal that they decided to be sensitive. It's not like the show doesn't have more nuanced jokes, right? Same characters? Same romance?

AMIR_X99 said:

if your whole life is an anime character pronoun you got to re-evaluate your priorities

Piromysl said:
Just one of the many reasons why you should avoid dubs like a fire.
Anime is one of the few remaining media where woke bullshit did infested and it's better for it to stay that way.

Kapi_the_Bean said:
Is anybody else vexed about Najimi’s pronouns in the dub? Instead of continuing the whole “(S)he” joke that started in the manga and was pretty well preserved in the dub, the dubbers decided, “Hey, let’s be politically correct and refer to him by they/them”. Najimi’s ambiguous gender was pretty much part of his whole personality and I honestly felt that they killed that joke by deciding on neutral pronouns for him

Banisoup said:


I'm sorry I'm having a bit of trouble understanding what you're saying. I think I caught,

Racist characters should be made less racist, but you said that you think for the character who's gender is a joke it should not be changed? I think you were also saying racism should stay in shows since it's real?

I think a huge part of why it bothers you that this character was changed is because it made you laugh, you like not having to think about it any further than that, it was funny to you and the show gives you some peace of mind. What if other people can have that same feeling? the funny hahas but it's not at the expense of others? I think showing sexism/racism in a certain light, like shows talking about real tragedy or philosophy can be a good thing! But not having these characters as the butt of jokes. I think we should be more considerate that media can shit on people, very casually at that, and you might not have even noticed at first but all of a sudden a change happened so a minority isn't being shit on or is the butt of a joke anymore. That's a little sad you not only lost a joke, but now you have to think about why it would be removed.

Again I hope this makes you reconsider why it bothers you, what you lose, and what others gain and maybe you might gain something new too. (:

Anyways I'm gonna head off. Thank you for you the passionate but considerate conversation!

-Elevate- said:
the lgbtq community is cringe

truth999 said:
respond or that I just didn’t make what I was writing sensible at all lol

nonofyourbeeswax said:
I hate characters like najimi tbh

NoBoDY-5 said:
Well I'm not a dub watcher and never going to try the dub version.

nonofyourbeeswax said:
I hate characters like najimi tbh

AniMalik said:

but najimi has a nice energy

Banisoup said:
Apparently within the LGBTQ community a lot of people really appreciate this character since they're a main character. And those people aren't fiction but this character still resonates with them. I don't know, I don't really understand how anyone can look at a form of media or art or poetry or joke or music and say it has no meaning, it has no real life consequences. Clearly it evoked something in you, I don't know if you feel strongly about LGBTQ people, dislike, or don't care, but if it's not a big deal because it's not real life, then why does integrity even matter? Why does changing a joke matter? It's not real people they're just characters.

Do you see what I'm saying?

It's either that you want the funny gender jokes, or people who are bullied and mistreated for their identies get a little win. So I see this as more of an inconvenience for you.

HanBoitheLamb said:
i don't think that's what the author was going for he was probably using Najimi as the best friend with the trap trope and I'd rather respect the author's purpose of the character

Banisoup said:


I don't think I can add much else to what I already said but I'll reiterate
I think the feelings of people who think it's funny vs the real life trans community aren't balanced. I just don't think you're feelings of inconvenience are on the same level. There's a lot of fans out there that are trans that really appreciate this character. They're just getting a bit of respect. *why is that bad?* It doesn't look like anything else was changed?

A team of animators, a director, script writers, ect. come together to create something new for the public to enjoy, if some things get a little changed to be more inclusive then why is that a bad thing? Artist integrity is all I'm hearing and fr if that's all you got then I stand by what I said about you being inconvenienced. Especially since all I'm hearing about that integrity is the "maybe this is what the author was thinking" you don't even know so why stand by that? I think I've covered this point really well already earlier when I pointed out if something were racist and toned down. And racism is usually played for jokes.

and *regardless* regardless
It sounsd like they barely removed your joke.

nonofyourbeeswax said:
I hate characters like najimi tbh

SFirebolt said:
Man I want Japan to get into wokeness more and more so that dude bro incels will all collectively leave this fandom.