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Oct 14, 2021 1:33 PM
#1
It's episode fifteen right now and we've seemingly moved on from the first half of Aquatope where the struggle was real and the comradery strong, a good plot with a strong purpose, pretty decent coming of age story, etc. IMO, they could have wrapped this up around then (saving the aquarium wasn't the point), but they've thrown all that out the window (and even the supernatural elements to this anime), brought Fuuka back (and even then she's taken a bit of a backseat) which seems extremely forced and now we're watching what exactly? Work experience? Kukuru not fricking doing what she's told? What's even happening right now? I'm not impressed. At all. They've got nine episodes to get it right and redeem themselves which is definitely doable, but I feel like it's still going to leave a bitter taste when it all ends... |
Oct 14, 2021 1:41 PM
#2
It's sure not living up to its potential, but it's still very pretty, and I'm willing to see where it goes without immediately freaking out, maybe it'll all make sense and come together. Or maybe it won't and we'll get a clear sense that this studio has a problem in terms of plotting and story for their anime. |
Oct 14, 2021 1:43 PM
#3
It feels like they’re heading the way Darling in the Franxx did, though I’m not complaining because now it’s leaving the drama part and turning more into that SoL one |
Oct 14, 2021 7:15 PM
#4
There’s no way they fuck up this nice anime we just gotta trust |
Oct 14, 2021 9:02 PM
#5
Oct 15, 2021 3:13 AM
#6
I just bench watch this series ep 1-14, and I was surprised that I started to like 1-12 ep of the show. Like the story of Kukuru trying to save Gama Gama from shutting and facing that there's no way to stop it from closing down was really nice. The ending of ep 12 was really great, but when I enter ep 13 and 14, I couldn't find myself liking it. Like I stop 8min in of ep 14 and questioning myself "where is this heading?" I felt like the anime ended on ep 12. I do feel like the second half of the story heading somewhere but it feels like it's not telling the same story or the story it wanted to tell. I was kinda close of dropping the show on ep 14 but i do want to see how the next few ep are going to be, but I think I'll probably going to stop watching it till all the episodes comes out. |
Oct 15, 2021 6:22 AM
#7
Oct 15, 2021 9:17 AM
#8
I'm still really enjoying the show as it moves into it's second cour. Having just finished 15, I still believe the central theme of the show remains Kukuru's enthusiasm for aquatic life and aquariums. She had strong emotional ties to Gama Gama because it held dear memories for her of her parents and their family unit and IMO, that is why she did not want it to close. Her grandfather clearly saw that enthusiasm and felt that Marketing would be a good fit for her at Tingaara as the funding and staff would give her far more opportunities than she had at Gama Gama to share that love for "the life aquatic". She also is already very comfortable working with the general public, which is an important skill for a Marketer. But Kukuru's background is as an attendant (she didn't really have to manage as Acting Director since the staff were generally self-sufficient) so that is what she is familiar with and now she has to answer to not just her own Section Head, but work with other Section Heads as well since she is the "point person / liaison" between the Marketing Section and the other Sections at Tingaara and that is a role she is clearly still uncomfortable with - likely due to a combination of her personality ("I can do it myself"), her age, her lack of direct experience in the role and the fact she is a new-hire and she is dealing with senior staff members in the other Sections. So I am going to hazard a guess that this cour will be Kukuru "finding her feet" in Marketing and becoming more comfortable engaging with the other staff. I expect her to come up with more ideas to spread the wonders of not just Tingaara, but the sea in general, with the public. |
Oct 15, 2021 11:35 AM
#9
GakutoDeathGlare said: Let’s wait and watch 🙂It's episode fifteen right now and we've seemingly moved on from the first half of Aquatope where the struggle was real and the comradery strong, a good plot with a strong purpose, pretty decent coming of age story, etc. IMO, they could have wrapped this up around then (saving the aquarium wasn't the point), but they've thrown all that out the window (and even the supernatural elements to this anime), brought Fuuka back (and even then she's taken a bit of a backseat) which seems extremely forced and now we're watching what exactly? Work experience? Kukuru not fricking doing what she's told? What's even happening right now? I'm not impressed. At all. They've got nine episodes to get it right and redeem themselves which is definitely doable, but I feel like it's still going to leave a bitter taste when it all ends... |
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Oct 28, 2021 4:59 PM
#11
Seven episodes to go now. It seems like it's truly now just a SOL anime, such an unnatural merge into this 2nd half of the show. A whole episode dedicated to a party? lol, ok.... |
Oct 28, 2021 9:04 PM
#12
Oct 29, 2021 10:36 AM
#13
direction of the anime sits right with me. Enjoying it so far. |
Oct 29, 2021 3:48 PM
#14
I have been having some misgivings about the direction this series would take for the second half of it over the course of the past few weeks as well. Not as pronounced misgivings or objections as some people since I didn't really mind the setting change, but it's moreso a character issue (specifically only really Chiyu) and the intended messages the show seems to be trying to force down the viewer's throat which I don't agree with and don't sit right with me about accepting disgustingly aggressive arrogant behavior from people with a martyr complex and superiority complex in the name of greater harmony for the sake of a unified work culture and peace and productivity. Yes, in many ways this is a common native Japanese-held ideology, but it isn't like it isn't something many Westerners and people globally don't also subscribe to. Yeah, that's my interpretation of the series' intended message, and as with any series, there will no doubt be multiple interpretations and many different takeaways from it from across all the different audience members, informed by their own views, biases, and life experiences. But it's a message I don't agree with at all and actively rubs me the wrong way and irritates me, so it actually detracts from my ability to relax and enjoy the show and care for its characters and what it presents. Don't get me wrong - Many, if not most, anime (and film/TV generally) have rude characters - ones far more rude, vicious, and abusive than Chiyu, up to and including people who perform physical violence and all kinds of atrocities. That's not the issue. It's the way the character and other characters' reactions and interactions are handled with her which is wholly unwelcome botched and hamfisted moralism, in my view. My favorite series from P.A. Works, one of my Top 35 series overall, and one I knew I would likely at least slightly to moderately prefer to this one early on but now vastly do so - Hanasaku Iroha - also has the presence of a very rude and hostile character from the beginning episodes and she remains that way for a substantial length of the series' run and even after warming up, still often has those elements of her personality surface. She too, has her own reasons and goes through her own issues (I'm referring to Minko). But the difference lies in the way it's handled. Minko could be very annoying, but I could sympathize with her feelings and it's kind of the expectation of a lot of similar teenage girls with that personality. In my book, there's no excuse to have a child as an adult and then carry a God complex, martyr complex, superiority complex gargantuan chip on your shoulder, treat everyone who doesn't rank in your book as an Übermensch-tier worker as maggot-riddled garbage not fit for sharing the same air as you, and act like a perpetual victim just because you chose to have a child and then can't keep up financially with the massive burden and responsibility that obviously admittedly is, so choose to take it out on everyone else around you constantly in the arrogance of how you look down on people; even teenage girls and old men. It would be absolutely fine if a character like Chiyu with all her written dialogue, behavior, actions, and motivations existed in the story. As I said, I've watched and even adored and rated highly many many works of fiction which have many characters which are and do far worse than her x100. A series can portray any character's actions without championing them. The difference is I feel this series does the latter. It glorifies Chiyu and the pervasive insidiousness of cutthroat work culture and the people who perpetuate it. It really puts a damper and sour note on the show for me. It's more irritating than seeing someone slaughter an entire village of 10,000 people with a great sword as it's more realistic to what happens in the actual modern world on a daily basis. And the pettiness and self-righteous attitudes of that kind of real world drama take away from a better plot with the aquarium and experience I can be fully onboard with. I only have to go to the grocery store or convenience store in a five minute vicinity away from home to run into 1,000 people like Chiyu - put-upon and arrogant discriminatory zealots who made hasty decisions based on the life plan and then feel entitled to treat everyone who's not living exactly like them as refuse and have respect for no one and nothing but their own vision of proper righteous living - in the span of an instant. I don't really need it injected into my TV series and as such a central focus with biased narrative. It's too early to say (since I never rate anything until the end and full completion), but this has every indication of being a 6/10-tier series for me, even while my actual personal enjoyment drops down to a 5, 4, or even lower. It reminds me of Neon Genesis Evangelion in that way - i.e., another series I can recognize is well-made in several respects and don't want to rate too poorly as I try to be fair, but I absolutely from the bottom of my heart hate and loathe some of its characters and its narrative choices so fiercely and adamantly that I cannot in good conscience say it's an experience I can overall deem as pleasant or pleasurable or ever want to revisit and experience again. |
WatchTillTandavaOct 29, 2021 4:06 PM
Nov 11, 2021 3:06 PM
#15
Five episodes to go now. Another episode, another 20 minutes of watching penguins do their thing. As much as I like the animal, I don't think they warrant this much screen time. And we had Fuuka's kouhai from her idol days randomly show up, pretty much an irrelevance in this story until now. So Fuuka can appear on TV once again without feeling overly anxious, big whoop. Really feels like they ran out of ideas, especially with the story progression. |
Nov 11, 2021 8:48 PM
#16
I have high hopes for Aquatope. When people are saying its another boring SOL at the first half, I just non hesistantly reply and say "Its only just beginning." Sadly, lately I might be thinking to take back that statement. I feel like the main problem is it lost the charm of Gama-Gama. That sort of mystical mystery with how Gama Gama could show the characters a past memory or symbolism of their future is just intruguing. At the 2nd part, the story's too normal. And sadly, normal=boring I truly wish they'd blow us away with the remaining episodes. The latest episode is quite heart touching, but it still lacks some of the spice that makes part 1 superior to the outgoing 2nd part. |
Nov 12, 2021 8:57 AM
#17
The penguins are better characters and more entertaining to watch. The series moves very slow and the plot goes out the window sometimes. This anime is like a snack of a series; just average and nothing amazing. It's something to watch for it's happy feel good atmosphere, but after the fact it has no real impact on the viewer as a great series. It's annoying that it plasters the magical fantasy type aspect about it but hasn't done anything about it and even abandoned it at this point. What's worse is that that is the only thing I found interesting about it. 19 episodes in, and that mysterious kid is still irrelevant and unexplained. What's the point? This has turned into Kukuru slowly getting pushed aside in the series with her job as Fuuka takes the spotlight and becomes the more amusing character as she becomes a symbol of motivation. There have been many theories that some of the characters may be bisexual or gay, into each other, etc, and the staff sure loves joking about it because it gets people's attention that want it to go that way, and only watch it because they want to be right. It feels like bait to pull in more viewers. I've seen some spoilers for what's ahead and it looks promising and intense but at this point the series is doomed to be average as it is far too late, 19 episodes in, for it to pick itself up from the viewer's disappointments. |
Nov 13, 2021 8:48 AM
#18
Having just finished Episode 19, I am enjoying the second cour as much as the first and perhaps even more. I am watching so much brilliant anime this season and yet week after week, aquatrope is the one that sticks with me and the one that I am most glad I watched. I often save it for last now so that I go out with a high for the week. |
Nov 13, 2021 3:37 PM
#19
It's just show about working people like Sakura Quest, there was no deeper story here at all, supernatural elements were never important and they are gone like GamaGama. |
Nov 24, 2021 4:53 PM
#20
I totally agree with you! Sadly, with only 4 episodes remaining for the show to end, Tingaara arc has proven to be pointless! It's basically just slice-of-life, but with no character development or any kind of progress, just pointless and tedious sliceoflife. I'm really disappointed. Gama Gama Arc was perfect tho |
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Nov 25, 2021 7:22 PM
#21
Im on episode 21 when i have typed this comment : To be honest cour 1 is way better than this cour 2. Yes the drama is still there (on cour 2), but the direction it towards too is about what? Atleast on cour 1 you know why are they dreaming or pursuing with, but with cour 2, i dont know where they will lead to and why they are even doing such things? |
Nov 28, 2021 11:13 PM
#22
WatchTillTandava said: I have been having some misgivings about the direction this series would take for the second half of it over the course of the past few weeks as well. Not as pronounced misgivings or objections as some people since I didn't really mind the setting change, but it's moreso a character issue (specifically only really Chiyu) and the intended messages the show seems to be trying to force down the viewer's throat which I don't agree with and don't sit right with me about accepting disgustingly aggressive arrogant behavior from people with a martyr complex and superiority complex in the name of greater harmony for the sake of a unified work culture and peace and productivity. Yes, in many ways this is a common native Japanese-held ideology, but it isn't like it isn't something many Westerners and people globally don't also subscribe to. Yeah, that's my interpretation of the series' intended message, and as with any series, there will no doubt be multiple interpretations and many different takeaways from it from across all the different audience members, informed by their own views, biases, and life experiences. But it's a message I don't agree with at all and actively rubs me the wrong way and irritates me, so it actually detracts from my ability to relax and enjoy the show and care for its characters and what it presents. Don't get me wrong - Many, if not most, anime (and film/TV generally) have rude characters - ones far more rude, vicious, and abusive than Chiyu, up to and including people who perform physical violence and all kinds of atrocities. That's not the issue. It's the way the character and other characters' reactions and interactions are handled with her which is wholly unwelcome botched and hamfisted moralism, in my view. My favorite series from P.A. Works, one of my Top 35 series overall, and one I knew I would likely at least slightly to moderately prefer to this one early on but now vastly do so - Hanasaku Iroha - also has the presence of a very rude and hostile character from the beginning episodes and she remains that way for a substantial length of the series' run and even after warming up, still often has those elements of her personality surface. She too, has her own reasons and goes through her own issues (I'm referring to Minko). But the difference lies in the way it's handled. Minko could be very annoying, but I could sympathize with her feelings and it's kind of the expectation of a lot of similar teenage girls with that personality. In my book, there's no excuse to have a child as an adult and then carry a God complex, martyr complex, superiority complex gargantuan chip on your shoulder, treat everyone who doesn't rank in your book as an Übermensch-tier worker as maggot-riddled garbage not fit for sharing the same air as you, and act like a perpetual victim just because you chose to have a child and then can't keep up financially with the massive burden and responsibility that obviously admittedly is, so choose to take it out on everyone else around you constantly in the arrogance of how you look down on people; even teenage girls and old men. It would be absolutely fine if a character like Chiyu with all her written dialogue, behavior, actions, and motivations existed in the story. As I said, I've watched and even adored and rated highly many many works of fiction which have many characters which are and do far worse than her x100. A series can portray any character's actions without championing them. The difference is I feel this series does the latter. It glorifies Chiyu and the pervasive insidiousness of cutthroat work culture and the people who perpetuate it. It really puts a damper and sour note on the show for me. It's more irritating than seeing someone slaughter an entire village of 10,000 people with a great sword as it's more realistic to what happens in the actual modern world on a daily basis. And the pettiness and self-righteous attitudes of that kind of real world drama take away from a better plot with the aquarium and experience I can be fully onboard with. I only have to go to the grocery store or convenience store in a five minute vicinity away from home to run into 1,000 people like Chiyu - put-upon and arrogant discriminatory zealots who made hasty decisions based on the life plan and then feel entitled to treat everyone who's not living exactly like them as refuse and have respect for no one and nothing but their own vision of proper righteous living - in the span of an instant. I don't really need it injected into my TV series and as such a central focus with biased narrative. It's too early to say (since I never rate anything until the end and full completion), but this has every indication of being a 6/10-tier series for me, even while my actual personal enjoyment drops down to a 5, 4, or even lower. It reminds me of Neon Genesis Evangelion in that way - i.e., another series I can recognize is well-made in several respects and don't want to rate too poorly as I try to be fair, but I absolutely from the bottom of my heart hate and loathe some of its characters and its narrative choices so fiercely and adamantly that I cannot in good conscience say it's an experience I can overall deem as pleasant or pleasurable or ever want to revisit and experience again. Your issue with the show is that it actually has nuance and doesn't treat people like Chiyu as either entirely good or bad? Same with Suwa. You have character who rightfully call him out on his BS (Both Gurandou and Fuuka have, as well as Kukuru obviously). Yet, he's not painted as purely evil either. He isn't the best boss, but he has the right intentions and trusts Kukuru enough to do an extremely important job. He also had the restraint to not speak up during her presentation when he easily could have just started talking over her to smooth things over with the wedding planner. Yet, he didn't. The show is not about putting your nose to the grind stone. We saw what happened in episode 20. Kukuru did exactly that. In doing so, it sent her spiraling into a mental health crisis. So no, the show is definitely not about accepting a toxic work environment. It shows us the reality of a typical work environment and how to navigate that. |
Nov 29, 2021 5:16 AM
#23
Badalight said: Your issue with the show is that it actually has nuance and doesn't treat people like Chiyu as either entirely good or bad? Same with Suwa. You have character who rightfully call him out on his BS (Both Gurandou and Fuuka have, as well as Kukuru obviously). Yet, he's not painted as purely evil either. He isn't the best boss, but he has the right intentions and trusts Kukuru enough to do an extremely important job. He also had the restraint to not speak up during her presentation when he easily could have just started talking over her to smooth things over with the wedding planner. Yet, he didn't. The show is not about putting your nose to the grind stone. We saw what happened in episode 20. Kukuru did exactly that. In doing so, it sent her spiraling into a mental health crisis. So no, the show is definitely not about accepting a toxic work environment. It shows us the reality of a typical work environment and how to navigate that. No, you've misinterpreted my statements and sentiments. I don't have any problem at all with the series not portraying Chiyu, Suwa, or anyone else as entirely "good" or "bad", seeing how I myself don't view any character in this show nor any show I've ever watched that way. It's not a way I view people in general. People are more complex than that. Suwa to me, as I thought would have come across in my post, was always that rude and aggressive military drill instructor-esque boss that while, I could not personally envision myself ever working with or getting along with in any meaningful productive capacity, I also thought (and said) has good intentions. That comes across and was evident to me from the first time the director commented on his attitude toward placing Kukuru in that job position and alluded to Suwa being someone who had faith in her/was expecting great things/had a heart of gold underneath and his sternness was his way of showing trust/respect. I've mentioned in numerous comments pertaining to Suwa on the sub-forum that I don't think he is nearly as much of this ogre as people's reactions suggest since his motives are obvious. So I don't care for him, but think he's overly demonized. Chiyu was and is a petty and self-righteous jerk. That doesn't mean she doesn't have very clearly explicable reasons for what she does and has done. People/characters who have done far worse than her also have clearly defined reasons for what they do. I have zero problem with the show portraying this. I welcome it. The difference is when I feel there is a very clear and concerted, blatant and hamfisted effort on the part of the narrative of the show to not only portray such characters and the sequence of events in a more observational/impartial manner, and veer into full-blown cheerleading and justifying their actions, to give the impression as if they were in the right all along. An explanation of someone's actions is good. An explanation is not a justification, and the show crosses the line into the latter repeatedly and demonstrably in a manner which is completely off-putting to me. |
WatchTillTandavaNov 29, 2021 5:25 AM
Nov 29, 2021 5:27 AM
#24
WatchTillTandava said: Badalight said: Your issue with the show is that it actually has nuance and doesn't treat people like Chiyu as either entirely good or bad? Same with Suwa. You have character who rightfully call him out on his BS (Both Gurandou and Fuuka have, as well as Kukuru obviously). Yet, he's not painted as purely evil either. He isn't the best boss, but he has the right intentions and trusts Kukuru enough to do an extremely important job. He also had the restraint to not speak up during her presentation when he easily could have just started talking over her to smooth things over with the wedding planner. Yet, he didn't. The show is not about putting your nose to the grind stone. We saw what happened in episode 20. Kukuru did exactly that. In doing so, it sent her spiraling into a mental health crisis. So no, the show is definitely not about accepting a toxic work environment. It shows us the reality of a typical work environment and how to navigate that. No, you've misinterpreted my statements and sentiments. I don't have any problem at all with the series not portraying Chiyu, Suwa, or anyone else as entirely "good" or "bad", seeing how I myself don't view any character in this show nor any show I've ever watched that way. It's not a way I view people in general. People are more complex than that. Suwa to me, as I thought would have come across in my post, was always that rude and aggressive military drill instructor-esque boss that while, I could not personally envision myself ever working with or getting along with in any meaningful productive capacity, I also thought (and said) has good intentions. Chiyu was and is a petty and self-righteous jerk. That doesn't mean she doesn't have very clearly explicable reasons for what she does and has done. People/characters who have done far worse than her also have clearly defined reasons for what they do. I have zero problem with the show portraying this. I welcome it. The difference is when I feel there is a very clear and concerted, blatant and hamfisted effort on the part of the narrative of the show to not only portray such characters and the sequence of events in a more observational/impartial manner, and veer into full-blown cheerleading and justifying their actions, to give the impression as if they were in the right all along. An explanation of someone's actions is good. An explanation is not a justification, and the show crosses the line into the latter repeatedly and demonstrably in a manner which is completely off-putting to me. My mistake then. However, I do disagree with your conclusion - particularly in the case with Suwa (though, I guess jury is still out on that one as I'm sure he'll have a heavy focus in the remaining episodes). Every character who interacts with him finds him problematic. The show isn't trying to sugar coat his managing practices. Chiyu maybe you can make an argument for, but she was never that bad of a person. She was obviously rude, but oh well. People are rude sometimes. And I don't remember the show ever portraying her as right? Please elaborate on what you mean by this. If anything, she was proven wrong (such as the case with her test for Fuuka which she passed with flying colors). And Suwa, I have no idea where in the show he has been proven right. |
Aug 23, 10:48 PM
#25
The first cour is the best...... |
Aug 23, 10:57 PM
#26
Man, all my complaining and I still gave it an 8/10 lol, must have been way more lenient a few years ago, though I remember I was OK with the ending of the Tingaara arc IIRC |
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