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Nov 27, 2021 10:32 AM
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I should have known that it wasn't Zenigata. From the beginning I thought it was weird that he would coincidentally be on the same rooftop as Lupin at that time and that he would be so willing to work with Lupin, though he has done it in the past, so it wasn't such an unusual situation. But like Lupin said, Zenigata wasn't acting incompetently enough. Though Sherlock learning to be a master of disguise is a new development.

As we expected, Lupin didn't actually kill Watson, and Sherlock of course knew that. Now they just need to wait for Lily to realize that, and they will be set. Apparently Jigen has some history with Lily as well, which we will discover more of next episode where we will go back three years to see that storyline.

All in all, we got a little more set up and a little more resolution, but this entire storyline doesn't feel even close to wrapping up, so it will be interesting to see where it goes from here.
Nov 27, 2021 11:45 AM
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I don't know about anyone else, but there were moments in this episode that felt messy to me. I was hoping for more of a chase scene when Lupin and "Zenigata" were chasing the assassin in the cemetery but then it cuts to the church right away. There are a few other moments like that in the episode and I wasn't much of a fan of that aspect.

My only other gripe was that Lupin was telling his side of the story regarding Watson while they were under fire. Might just be me, but I was hoping this explanation would happen at a better time and place, it was kind of a letdown for me.

Other than those moments, I did like what followed when it was revealed that Holmes was dressed as Zenigata, along with the conversation they had at the end. While I still think it felt a bit early, I did like how they came to terms with one another. I still wanted to see them clash some more, but this could happen along with some episodes showing them cooperating with one another, which seems more likely as it is.

Other than that, this episode was alright and I'm looking forward to the rest. And I'm especially excited that we're getting a Jigen episode next. Can't wait to see what happens next.
Nov 27, 2021 1:20 PM
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Idk how can someone has hope after this ep that there will be something interesting.Where,in this storythread,where?It is as weak as it is.Oh who the hell that professor can be...If it is Moriarty it will be worse.But it is obvious and this season isn't known during these 7 eps about its plottwists .And the "hero or villian"goes straight to trash.Are you serious right!?
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Nov 27, 2021 5:26 PM
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Back to the main story we go and Lupin returns to London to check on Holmes and Lily. I should have known that the Zenigata that appeared on the roof with Lupin wasn't the real one and that it was Holmes all along. Like most of have expected, Lupin did not kill Watson and Holmes was trying to protect Lily from being another target for Raven. The answer to this mystery lies in Lily's repressed memories which she will have to come to terms with them soon enough. Next episode is going to be a flashback for Lily.
Nov 28, 2021 12:47 AM
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Back to the main arc of the season, it's as well-paced as the first two parter, hope it's a return to form for this season's stander.

As to the quality of this story, it's too early to say. But if the rest of the season will be as well executed as this episode I won't worry about how weak or predictable the plot's gonna be, it might be, but how a story is being told is always more important for the quality of experience.

Nov 28, 2021 6:56 AM
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I’ve been saying it since the second episode, the man who killed Watson was Lestrade
Nov 28, 2021 7:02 AM
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Wow, a "Here comes Moriarty" episode...I mean a "Here comes colonel Moran" episode.
Nov 28, 2021 7:21 AM
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AP24 said:
I’ve been saying it since the second episode, the man who killed Watson was Lestrade


If the show actually pulls that off well, I will be first in line to give you your props.
Nov 28, 2021 7:31 AM
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This episode was alright. I don't think Holmes was a great character to base an entire season around. At the moment, they are just recycling old Holmes story beats like Moran and Watson. Even if Raven comes into play, I will bet money Moriarty will defeat them and become the real villain. It's not that exciting knowing where the story is going next.

I can usually guess how Lupin will win the day. It's the twists and the execution of each episode that makes them worth watching. I can't say I'm a huge fan of the execution, but I prefer the twists in the Lupin time travelling caper to the Holmes stuff so far.

The writers gave Holmes an out by saying he is just a guy who inherited the title, so hopefully they use that idea to do some original content that doesn't involve Moriarty in the end, one way or another. My hopes aren't up, but I would love to be proven incorrect.
Nov 28, 2021 7:45 AM
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MFDOOMED said:
AP24 said:
I’ve been saying it since the second episode, the man who killed Watson was Lestrade


If the show actually pulls that off well, I will be first in line to give you your props.


It actually fits. The guy who killed Watson could easily be inside Scotland Yard to kill someone and he is someone Watson knew. Lestrade has also been monitoring on the development regarding Lili’s lost memory.
Nov 28, 2021 8:33 PM

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TheBreadDane said:
I don't know about anyone else, but there were moments in this episode that felt messy to me. I was hoping for more of a chase scene when Lupin and "Zenigata" were chasing the assassin in the cemetery but then it cuts to the church right away. There are a few other moments like that in the episode and I wasn't much of a fan of that aspect.


Really liked this episode. Felt like a return to form after the previous two parter which I wasn't a fan of, but yeah I agree that the chase sequence could have been better. I watched part 4 right before this season (after previously starting the series with 5) and this season feels like it has been lacking in action scenes compared to the previous two. It's definitely more violent... But other than the first episode and the episode at the pub/restaurant it feels lacking in terms of crazy chases, gun battles, and cool action sequences.
Nov 29, 2021 12:56 AM
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AP24 said:
MFDOOMED said:


If the show actually pulls that off well, I will be first in line to give you your props.


It actually fits. The guy who killed Watson could easily be inside Scotland Yard to kill someone and he is someone Watson knew. Lestrade has also been monitoring on the development regarding Lili’s lost memory.
AP24 said:
MFDOOMED said:


If the show actually pulls that off well, I will be first in line to give you your props.


It actually fits. The guy who killed Watson could easily be inside Scotland Yard to kill someone and he is someone Watson knew. Lestrade has also been monitoring on the development regarding Lili’s lost memory.


Canonically per Doyle, Lestrade is either an idiot, or a slightly above average detective. In this ep, Lestrade even said he can't do his job well without Holmes. Which is the usual canon way of doing things. It would be fire if they flipped the script and had Lestrade reveal his stupidity was all a sham. I don't trust an anime to flip a story like this well. But I really want your theory to be the way this show goes.
Nov 30, 2021 7:11 AM

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Wasn't a fan of the Holmes/Lupin thing wrapping up so quickly to be honest. Disliked that they took Zenigata's shine away. Sure I guess you could say the movies aren't "canon" to the character of sorts but he's had plenty of badass moments.

Also I feel dumb for just now noticing how much I prefer this design to the Part 4-5 designs. Especially Part 4, which is the worst design for Lupin in the TV shows imo.
Nov 30, 2021 2:08 PM
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tarapin said:
Wasn't a fan of the Holmes/Lupin thing wrapping up so quickly to be honest. Disliked that they took Zenigata's shine away. Sure I guess you could say the movies aren't "canon" to the character of sorts but he's had plenty of badass moments.

Also I feel dumb for just now noticing how much I prefer this design to the Part 4-5 designs. Especially Part 4, which is the worst design for Lupin in the TV shows imo.


They also took his shine away in the last episode of Part 2, but it seems that at least in 'Farewell My Beloved Lupin', Lupin had Zenigata's consent to do so.
Dec 1, 2021 3:04 AM
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Maybe instead Zenigata should have taken another break, like in Part 2 Episode 71, and also possibly in Part 1 Episode 12 and Part 3 Episode 15.
Dec 2, 2021 4:37 PM
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The body language of the Raven's Executioner in the flashback screams Lestrade. He doesn't murder Watson in cold blood, the gun discharges in the struggle that Watson starts, and he seems distraught at his death before fleeing.

I assume we will get more information later to add context to Horatio bolting and the ensuing murder.
Jan 10, 2022 1:21 PM
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Hmm interesting, not surprised that Lupin didn't kill Waston, and well once again the disguisement got me since it was Holmes that was with him on the rooftop xD I'm curious to see how things will develop with Lily and the Raven

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