Lets talk about that ending

Sep 28, 2021 12:17 AM

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Yeah,

At any rate, I rambled a bit but this anime is among my favorites, so I remember it quite a bit.

edit - added one more comment.

NeaRetrogamerSep 28, 2021 12:21 AM

Sep 28, 2021 12:59 AM

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NeaRetrogamer said:
Yeah,

At any rate, I rambled a bit but this anime is among my favorites, so I remember it quite a bit.

edit - added one more comment.

He is a awful father and she is better of without him and she would grow from it, she didnt need him for ten years why start now when is going into adulthood. Her emotional development would be more stunted with him back. He put these kids live in danger and the lives of 16 billion people because didnt want to race no more after he finds out its his daughter. I don't like NTR which this anime feels to me.

Guts-ValleySep 28, 2021 1:05 AM

Sep 28, 2021 1:17 AM

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Gurifisu-Femto said:
He is a awful father and she is better of without him and she would grow from it, she didnt need him for ten years why start now when is going into adulthood. Her emotional development would be more stunted with him back.

He was awful indeed for quite a bit

(there's even that scene where she literally calls him out on it), but iirc he's shown to regret that and was now willing to change, and indeed iirc in the end he's shown to have enrolled her at a regular school (as opposed to the boarding school where he'd dumped her at first) and came to pick her up and all (remember that was something that hurt her emotionally, that he never came to pick up her up as the parents of other kids did, not even for the summer - I mean even Harry Potter went back to the Dursleys for the summer iirc).
The way I see it also, she did need him for those 10 years (remember how she waited impatiently for him to call her every time on her birthday), but he simply wasn't around - and denying her the opportunity to bond with him now that she can would be quite heartless, as the way I see it finally being able to have a normal life with her father would be more emotionally healing for her than just e.g. going to live alone or whatever, which would cause her to dwell on the past even more, making her unable to move forward (as both she and her father can do at the end of the show).
Oh, and another point about your initial comment, now that I recall the show a bit further: iirc after winning the tournament it was one of the people inside the winning race vessel that would become the avatar (e.g. iirc there were these other alien twin racers who talked a bit about who would become the avatar if they won, since they didn't want to be separated from each other), so by definition it would be either Eva or Jordan. Since Eva was the pilot, she was the default pick, but she refused because she wanted a normal life and all (and this is indeed what that previous evil avatar was capitalizing on, and why he planned the whole thing including her mother's death, so that he could take over the empty position after her refusal), so after that evil avatar was thwarted still someone from the earth vessel had to become the avatar so Jordan volunteered and he counted since he was in the vessel as a gunner. This all means that her father wouldn't have been able to sacrifice himself regardless, even if he was there and had offered to do so, since he wasn't in that vessel.

Just saw your edit, so replying to that as well:

He put these kids live in danger and the lives of 16 billion people because didnt want to race no more after he finds out its his daughter. I don't like NTR which this anime feels to me.

I barely recalled that;

Also what's NTR? I'm not familiar with that acronym - from the urban dictionary I can only find netorare, which is something about cheating (?), but I don't see what cheating has to do with anything.

NeaRetrogamerSep 28, 2021 1:23 AM

Sep 28, 2021 3:45 AM

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Not that it matters but since someone talking after all this time
Spirit(the crow thing) when reading moolys memories and implanting his memories in her he was so stingy that he cried from one eye

Sep 28, 2021 7:49 AM

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NeaRetrogamer said:

Gurifisu-Femto said:
He is a awful father and she is better of without him and she would grow from it, she didnt need him for ten years why start now when is going into adulthood. Her emotional development would be more stunted with him back.

He was awful indeed for quite a bit

(there's even that scene where she literally calls him out on it), but iirc he's shown to regret that and was now willing to change, and indeed iirc in the end he's shown to have enrolled her at a regular school (as opposed to the boarding school where he'd dumped her at first) and came to pick her up and all (remember that was something that hurt her emotionally, that he never came to pick up her up as the parents of other kids did, not even for the summer - I mean even Harry Potter went back to the Dursleys for the summer iirc).
The way I see it also, she did need him for those 10 years (remember how she waited impatiently for him to call her every time on her birthday), but he simply wasn't around - and denying her the opportunity to bond with him now that she can would be quite heartless, as the way I see it finally being able to have a normal life with her father would be more emotionally healing for her than just e.g. going to live alone or whatever, which would cause her to dwell on the past even more, making her unable to move forward (as both she and her father can do at the end of the show).
Oh, and another point about your initial comment, now that I recall the show a bit further: iirc after winning the tournament it was one of the people inside the winning race vessel that would become the avatar (e.g. iirc there were these other alien twin racers who talked a bit about who would become the avatar if they won, since they didn't want to be separated from each other), so by definition it would be either Eva or Jordan. Since Eva was the pilot, she was the default pick, but she refused because she wanted a normal life and all (and this is indeed what that previous evil avatar was capitalizing on, and why he planned the whole thing including her mother's death, so that he could take over the empty position after her refusal), so after that evil avatar was thwarted still someone from the earth vessel had to become the avatar so Jordan volunteered and he counted since he was in the vessel as a gunner. This all means that her father wouldn't have been able to sacrifice himself regardless, even if he was there and had offered to do so, since he wasn't in that vessel.

Just saw your edit, so replying to that as well:

He put these kids live in danger and the lives of 16 billion people because didnt want to race no more after he finds out its his daughter. I don't like NTR which this anime feels to me.

I barely recalled that;

Also what's NTR? I'm not familiar with that acronym - from the urban dictionary I can only find netorare, which is something about cheating (?), but I don't see what cheating has to do with anything.

i am the one that feels cheated on, awful characters. I have to look up the author he has done anything else and is still riding the cocktails of this show on his twitter.

Sep 30, 2021 8:16 AM

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Gurifisu-Femto said:
I'm not one of those people that will still like the anime even if I disagree with the ending, all anime should be good from beginning to end

Yup I agree. Though I don't care about Jordan, he was mistreated as a character, and you can see me ranting about how badly handled the whole father-daughter relationship thing was for the entire show in the other episode discussions. The dad never redeemed himself and the show never put enough blame on him. I wouldn't have just changed the ending, I would've changed most of the show by making the dad have to be the one to amend the relationship.

Sep 30, 2021 8:45 AM

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Recynon said:

Gurifisu-Femto said:
I'm not one of those people that will still like the anime even if I disagree with the ending, all anime should be good from beginning to end

Yup I agree. Though I don't care about Jordan, he was mistreated as a character, and you can see me ranting about how badly handled the whole father-daughter relationship thing was for the entire show in the other episode discussions. The dad never redeemed himself and the show never put enough blame on him. I wouldn't have just changed the ending, I would've changed most of the show by making the dad have to be the one to amend the relationship.

Dam you are a little more tuff on this anime than me, you want to throw away the baby with the bath water. I agree the father character wasn't likable and i don't understand his excuses. She has a star birthmark did he not notice that LOL.

Sep 30, 2021 8:52 AM

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Gurifisu-Femto said:

Recynon said:

Yup I agree. Though I don't care about Jordan, he was mistreated as a character, and you can see me ranting about how badly handled the whole father-daughter relationship thing was for the entire show in the other episode discussions. The dad never redeemed himself and the show never put enough blame on him. I wouldn't have just changed the ending, I would've changed most of the show by making the dad have to be the one to amend the relationship.

Dam you are a little more tuff on this anime than me, you want to throw away the baby with the bath water. I agree the father character wasn't likable and i don't understand his excuses. She has a star birthmark did he not notice that LOL.

LOL yeah the birthmark is another plothole...

Considering how you rated it a 1 in your review and I rated it a 6, you were definitely much harsher. If you turn your brain off and just pay attention to the races it's good on that end so I gave it a little more than an average score. It's still got some unique looking visuals.

Sep 30, 2021 8:59 AM

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Recynon said:

Gurifisu-Femto said:

Recynon said:

Gurifisu-Femto said:
I'm not one of those people that will still like the anime even if I disagree with the ending, all anime should be good from beginning to end

Yup I agree. Though I don't care about Jordan, he was mistreated as a character, and you can see me ranting about how badly handled the whole father-daughter relationship thing was for the entire show in the other episode discussions. The dad never redeemed himself and the show never put enough blame on him. I wouldn't have just changed the ending, I would've changed most of the show by making the dad have to be the one to amend the relationship.

Dam you are a little more tuff on this anime than me, you want to throw away the baby with the bath water. I agree the father character wasn't likable and i don't understand his excuses. She has a star birthmark did he not notice that LOL.

LOL yeah the birthmark is another plothole...

Considering how you rated it a 1 in your review and I rated it a 6, you were definitely much harsher. If you turn your brain off and just pay attention to the races it's good on that end so I gave it a little more than an average score. It's still got some unique looking visuals.

that 1 was a protest score they miss the ball with the story could have been a lot better. You notice how great the animation still is and how seamless the cgi is to the back ground. Big disappointment i looked what other anime they did, looks like this was their only one.

Dec 6, 2021 10:29 PM

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I get your people's disappointment, but I think there is one thing that is missed out on here.

Really, it's more of a blue-baller ending than a downer one. There has been some speculation of a sequel in the works and even a concept art presented, but who knows if we'll get it. What I wouldn't kill for Eva and Jordan to meet up again and get a chance to catch up, reconnect, and hang.

Mach56gsDec 8, 2021 4:54 PM

Oct 28, 2022 11:21 AM

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MandarBloodeagleNov 18, 2022 1:30 PM

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