Hige wo Soru. Soshite Joshikousei wo Hirou. Episode 5 Discussion

Gab5 said:

Glad someone else has said it. I was accused of forcing my opinions on others yesterday. I really don't care who ends with who in a stupid anime, but the attitudes displayed in people making their choices, on both sides, are out of the 19th century. One is being called all kind of derogatory names for their background, and the other is being called shady and suspicious for not falling at the MCs feet. I have argued with my girlfriend about anime not being particularly sexist, etc, etc, but having my doubts now. Look at all the comments here, all the women are getting judged but Yoshida is just a top guy, can't do any wrong. It's just blatant.

Gab5 said:
Yes, but she doesn't fall at Yoshida's feet while he's staring at her boobs so people don't trust her. People are even claiming she asked Sayu to leave, which is nonsense. She gave a better talk than the one Yoshida gave and she probably is in a better position to understand Sayu, and what she needs than he is.

I find all the sl*t name calling of Sayu just as bad but the kind of subtle bias against a strong person just because they don't fold is kind of annoying. Just goes to show, if people are biased against you there is nothing much you can do about it.

I suppose that is what anime has taught us and a more complex character just totally bamboozles people.

nightcrawlercyp said:
No I am not. How is a woman at 16 biologically a child?

About being too immature for marriage but what standards?

Morsse said:


I guess that some people are talking bad about Sayu knowing what happened in the past and her choices along the way.

Phantasy_Starved said:

I'm with you all the way, but again, at the risk of beating a dead horse, one's ability to really get what's going on is down to maturity level. This is the reason why that leading negative review irks me; the author (and those that thumbed it up) has actually reviewed a completely different anime than the one we are watching. Too many people have broken anime into tropes and then misapplied those tropes because they just don't understand anything on a deeper contextual level. This is why you keep getting people throwing the 'harem' tag around even though this has been set up to be no such thing. But multiple possible love interests automatically equals harem, amirite?

I'll also agree with the lack of proper criticism against Yoshida, even though I like him and agree with most here that he's 'too nice'. Call me guilty of projection if someone likes, but the fact is that through his actions he has left the door open for a future relationship with Sayu. How noble is he being, really? All those leering shots of her in scanty clothing are purposely there to make us aware that Yoshida is very aware that she is sexually attractive and that it turns him on, even if he is doing the adult thing at the moment and fights it off. Is what he's doing completely altruistic? I don't know. Yoshida might not even know. But I have my doubts.

Of course, we've already had commenters wonder why this is even a taboo, because hey look Sayu's developed boobs so she's really an adult. And age of consent is age eleven on some island somewhere so it's all arbitrary herp derp.

Reality check: Sayu is a homeless high school girl runaway. Meaning she is powerless and vulnerable, which makes her not only susceptible to the short-term physical predations of men, but to the long-term mental manipulation of men, and to be honest the latter route is often far easier for men to execute. This is why age differential matters to people no matter which gender is on the older/younger end - with different levels of maturity it doesn't feel like you're playing fair. Us older guys and gals know that it's entirely too easy to manipulate and control someone younger, even if it's not malicious or even consciously done. And again, Sayu is not only vulnerable because she's young, but also homeless and also troubled.

Mature watchers don't need to be explained all this - and neither does Gotou. Or Mishima. Or even Yoshida. All three of them know how men generally think and behave. All of them know the huge risk Yoshida is taking by bringing Sayu in. What happens if he gives in to temptation? What happens if Sayu flips out? If there's an altercation, how is one supposed to figure out who to believe? Why is Yoshida going through so much risk, the potential of losing his job, or even his freedom to jail time, and also risking his potential relationship to his only crush over the last five years over a girl he just met freaking twenty minutes ago?

Or, I dunno, maybe Yoshida is just the purest being to walk this anime earth, or something.

In closing, I'm just posting here as food for thought. I like the story so far, and I like Yoshida. But I thought I'd steelman the argument against shipping the two lead characters, and why Yoshida isn't beyond criticism.

Morsse said:


Well, I don't find those things to be as bad as you say they are and I'm also sure that if Sayu was a 15 year old guy he would still let him stay in his apartment. Maybe things would go a little bit different but I think that what Yoshida does here in the anime is basically what a father would do to her daughter. He talks with her reffering to her as a kid, which she obviously is.. He says numerous times that he doesn't feel anything for her even though Sayu wanted to charm him by undressing and stuff like that. When he blushes sometimes, it is because Sayu is a stunning girl, not that he would like to have his way with her. He was serious when Sayu asked him to have sex. He gives her advice and tells her that what she's doing is not right (in his mind he thinks that what she has done is utterly stupid and that she is wasting her life, but he does his best to be the nice guy, which he also is). He respects the girl's will to stay away from her family for a bit until she becomes a little more stable with help from him. He buys her a phone since he thinks that she feels lonely at home, he tells her that it would be better if she gets a job. What has Yoshida done until here that doesn't make him a nice guy? That he blushed when Sayu had makeup on? That's not something bad, he most likely thinks that she's pretty but he sucks at giving compliments. He was dead serious when she was undressed so we know that he doesn't have ill thougts. He is a nice guy, but wierd with conversations aswell. He can give good advices, be serious when the situation calls for it, and respect other's peoples needs. He likes Gotou's body, so what? He stares at her boobs and asked her the size of her cup, he's just a goofball. He was also testing Gotou to see if she really means it when he asked her if she wanted to sleep with him, it was obviously just a joke.

I think that the main reason he kept her in his apartment instead of instantly ratting her out, is because of her situation. I bet that if he tried to rat her out and not let her get a reality check from him to be able to stay stable, she would've returned home and leave again. Making the same stupid mistakes again and again with strangers that don't give a damn about her. He wants to be sure that the girl understands that she doesn't have to do all that to live and that she needs to confront her issues rather than run away from them. Gotou's talk with Sayu was extremely helpfull aswell, it made Sayu understand even more what she has to do. He keeps her away from that toxic way of living that she chose.

Bakrakon said:
It's funny to see so many people misinterpret Gotou playing the "Nice older sister'-type when, she clearly has no romantic experiences in life, has no idea how to handle her own emotions regarding Yoshida and is basically just jealous.

Gotou dumped him aside with a silly excuse at a previous date, on the same day he met Sayu and when she realized he seems to have a girl in his life she practically forces herself into his home to "see" this girl. Forcing him into dinner dates with his boss(Gotou) because rejecting would be impolite and also knowing he had/has feelings for her.

Gotou is simply said a control freak, when there was no indication of him having a significant other she just went on with her life, but the moment there were signs she suddenly forces herself into his life.

Then when she had her private talk with Sayu she used the most roundabout way to tell Sayu to GTFO while remaining friendly, so it doesn't end up in drama where Sayu tells Yoshida about it. Exchanging phone-numbers is just another way to assert control and have a direct line of communication to gather information about both of them / entrapping them in their lies if ever there comes a time.

She also reminds Sayu she's a high school girl to show her her place in the world, coming from an adult this is a roundabout way of asserting her dominance as to say "I'm higher in the picking order".

Then you have people say Sayu is selfish? She is misguided and has a very low self-esteem, she clearly tries to cling onto something to keep her footing, which in this case is Yoshida.

Sure Gotou says some things that make sense and some things that Sayu may possibly learn from, but it's all really just for her own personal gain.

90293otaku said:
My opinion of Mishima just changed quite a bit. I was practically shipping her with Yoshida just a couple eps ago but now she seems like a creepy jealous stalker. Gotou’s stock has risen, she seems more sincere, but I have reservations about her too, and I’m not sure she can be trusted 100%.

So lots of drama all over. Things could go in a lot of different directions.

Morsse said:

I, as one of the people who think that Yoshida is being a nice guy, believe that he is the person Sayu needed in her life at that exact moment. You say that "or maybe she should get in the real world and decide for herself, maybe even make some mistakes along the way", well, we saw how her going in the real world alone went like :) She basically became a sex slave. Making some mistakes is fine. But having sex at 16 years old with strangers that don't give a single damn about you is not just "some mistake". She is self-destructing at that point. Did you see that face in ep 3? That's the face of a human that gave up in life and everything is 'whatever' now. The worst thing in life in my opinion is to try to solve things or do things alone, especially at that age, in this society. Yoshida saved her from wasting her whole life or even becoming extremely depressed and later probably choosing suicide as an way out. So yes, I do belive that Yoshida is a good guardian for her.

"Presumably, if you see him as a father, the romance angle with Sayu is out for you? So what if the 'father' starts dating the 'daughter'? I see them as more brother and sister but you can't be a father figure, or guardian, and then start screwing around with the person that you are looking after."
--About the situation with them two togheter. Well, if Yoshida doesn't do anything to Sayu untill she's legal, and of course, he finds her another place to stay. It would be wierd if they stay years and years togheter, but not that wierd because he acts like a father, like I said. But it' still wrong and illegal, just not immorall though atm.

"Do you believe that all Sayu sees as good and right in the world should come from Yoshida."
--I bet that what Yoshida finds good and wrong is better than what Sayu thought good and wrong was. And tbh, I think that she knew what she was doing, she was just naive and thought that this was the only way for her to leave her family. Even though a close person to her tried to help(before Yoshida).

"Who would be a better guardian for Sayu, given her history, Mishima, Gotou or Yoshida? Who would give better advice?"
--All 3 of them could be her guardians. They are all with their heads on their shoulders and know what real life is.

"A goofball, asking someone what their cup size is?"
--Yes. You act like you've never seen those type of scenes in anime till now.. Yoshida is also naive when it comes to love. Just because you're an adult, it doesn't mean that you automatically know how to behave in front of your crush.

"You are certain there is no ulterior motive at all and he doesn't have any romantic ideas?"
--Of course I am certain, atleast atm he doesn't seem like he wants to be with her nor that he loves her at all(in that way). "Sayu told Gotou more about her situation in a short time than she told Yoshida", that's not true. She told her exactly the same things she told to Yoshida and she skipped the same things from her story aswell. She obviously opened to Gotou because the truth came out. Gotou is intelligent and didn't fall for Yoshida's silly story. That's why she told Gotou certain things so fast. They are also both girls. I bet that Sayu saw Gotou as someone close to a mother or a sister.


Sayu doesn't need to understand all the things for herself at all. She's a teenage girl, very young and naive. It's obviously good that she's being taught some things from people with experience. The risk that Yoshida takes is obviously big. But again. He does this because he wants to help Sayu get to a point where he doesn't need to worry about her doing the same stupid mistakes again. He doesn't have any ulterior motives.

PiyushSan said:

Does he get arrested or something? He was literally fucking a high schooler.

Morsse said:

Look, imo, I gave you some pretty good answers to your questions. I think that you are overthinking things too hard. We are talking about anime charachters here, I know that this is a serious topic, but their reactions/decisions are scripted and we can't do anything about it. They aren't real people that have constantly 1000 thoughts running trough their minds, they always know what to do because that's how the manga author made them to.

I can't tell you what Yoshida is thinking right now, because I didn't read the manga nor do I want to. That goes for you aswell if you didn't read it. All that you are saying is just speculation. Yoshida never gave a sign that he loves or wants to be with Sayu. So idk why you think that he has ulterior motives. The arguments you bring are just the way you think that the things happened. But in my eyes, things just go the way they should have to go. It is indeed weird the fact that Sayu is still in Yoshida's place after her meeting with 2 women... But I guess that not every adult wants to deal with a runaway child. It is illegal for both of them to have Sayu even though they are women and they probably don't want to take the risk like Yoshida did. Hence why he's a good guy.

I would do the same thing irl tbh. Obviously it wouldn't take that much since the parents would call police and the first step Sayu takes outside, she would get caught and would have to return home. This is an anime, keep this in mind. She would be caught on cameras entering my house the first day and ruin all her plans. This anime doesn't show 100% how reality is, that's how it's entertaining. A story like this would probably go different in real life.

I do not say that Sayu should learn EVERY single thing from Yoshida or Gotou or Mishima. They don't teach her every single thing about life either. I just said that she should atleast know that what she did is bad and that she should be taught some things that could 1. save her form self-destructing again. 2. how to actually live life and not waste it. (if you don't go to school, you should get a job. Like Yoshida taught her. Not beg for a place to stay from strangers in exchange for sex.) You should earn it trough hard work. Also, you should confront things with your parents. You shouldn't just run away before even setting things right with them. And other usefull things that a teenager should get from his parents. All of these are good lectures. Idk why you think that they teach her anything else besides this..

Sayu definetly wants to be with Yoshida, there's no denying in that. Like I said, I do want them to be togheter since I like both Yoshida and Sayu and I don't want her to be with some perverted teen that doesn't care at all about her again. I want her to get a good guy. But then I feel bad about Gotou. It's complicated.

Morsse said:

Hmm, I'm gonna answer some of your questions with what I think is a "right" answer and some facts.

Yoshida's character is pretty much easy to understand. He's a nice guy in general that does his job at work and is also pretty good at it. That's why Gotou likes Yoshida in the first place. If he wasn't like this, I doubt that Gotou would be interested. She said that she's only interested in him afterall. That means that there are a lot of workers there that don't meet her agenda. Which is also true in real life. You don't meet people as nice as Yoshida quite often.. He is named "The solutionist"or whatever by the higher ups, so that means that he helps a lot of colleagues, that's one of his jobs aswell. The way he reacts to Mishima is also meant to make her understand that she can't do so many mistakes. Anyway.

Does he understand that Sayu is a young girl that can fall for him?
--I mean, it's obvious to me that he does, he discussed this with both Gotou and Mishima and his friend at work. He's not dumb.

Does he want her to fall for him?
--From my perspective, a big NO. If he wanted to, he could've had sex with her when he wanted, or when SHE wanted. And also, he wouldn't get mad at her for undressing if he wanted that. He's an adult with his head on his shoulders, he likes girls like Gotou, not minors like Sayu.

What will he do if she does?
--At this moment in anime. He would most likely do what he did until now. Reject her with not even a wasted thought. He is aware that Sayu is naive and young. He also understands that she thinks that she can get whatever she wants with her body. Hence why she let her touch him and then immediatly reject and get mad at her.

What if she loses it if he rejects her?
--He already rejected her numerous times. I think that she got the idea that Yoshida is not interested in her or her body. She probably would try to get him to like her in different ways. Idk. I can't see the future.

Why would he do so much for stranger when there is so much risk involved?
--We gotta understand the fact that when he took her in, he was drunk beyond help. So, he already made a mistake by bringing her in. After hearing her story, he thought that it would be rude to rat her out if the girl doesn't feel safe/fine with returning home. He isn't grooming her like other people say, he just wants her to settle down a bit and calm down and realise what to do. He doesn't lecture her everyday, he barely even sees her at night when he comes home.


It never crossed his mind that they could end up in a relationship?
--I don't think so. He knows that Sayu is a minor. His morals are also pretty good. I don't think that Yoshida is the type to think of things like that, atleast atm. All he wants is for the girl to be happy again and slowly reenter normally in society and return home to confront her problems, rather than running again and doing the same mistakes.

He isn't in control of the situation but neither is anyone else, Sayu included. He just gave the girl what she wanted, a place to stay. Ofc, Yoshida doesn't want her to stay there forever, he just wants to be sure that she's alright and ready to go.

Asami recognized Yoshida as a good guardian, we also don't know what Asami is up to. Last time I checked, she knew that guy that made Sayu feel horrible. I don't think that another teenager is better than an adult at giving advices, etc. Yoshida has a nice stable job, compared to what Asami has.

I don't understand what you mean with priorities.. Everyone tries to save/help Sayu. They ofc have to go to their jobs. It would be stupid if they just quit just to help her more. She gets all the help she needs from Yoshida and his friends. I don't think that people her age would be better, they are probably doing some stupid mistake aswell. Two wrongs can't make a right. She has learned a lot, especially after she talked with Gotou, she got motivated to do the right thing.

Sayu knows a lot. She knew that what she was doing was wrong. Especially after doing it for so many times that she basically gave up on life. She's not that stupid. She doesn't remain ignorant, she made so much progress, why don't you see it?
She has a job now, she has finally a place where she doesn't have to pay with her body, she recently got motivated to confront her problems, she got advices from people that know what life is, how is she ignorant? The girl is doing her best.

This will never be a harem, Yoshida is not the person to have more girlfriends. The only one he likes and loves in a sexual way, is Gotou. He is too naive to understand Mishimas messages and he doesn't want to be with Sayu since she's a minor.

Morsse said:


Oh God. Don't take this as negative. I didn't say "Oh God" because I don't like what you write or that I'm bored. But the way you think of things, sounds like you are young, I don't want to say teenager because I may be rude if you are not one.

So, Yoshida is indeed a clever guy, but not clever in the way you think he is. He obviously couldn't have known that Sayu left the flat to spy on him. Who would know that? I for certain wouldn't think of that happening. But this is anime, and she arrived at the perfect time "When she hugged him" and also left at the perfect time "Before he pushed her away". You can't really bring too much logic in anime, you will get nowhere.

Sayu likes Yoshida because he is different. He is an angel compared to the other guys she had to put up with. He also helps her very much. He has a stable job. He's intelligent. Handsome. Who wouldn't date this guy? No wonder so many girls like him. I'm a guy and I respect him aswell. So of course that she is afraid of losing him to another girl. But Yoshida doesn't see Sayu as someone he would go out with on a date. He also doesn't have that much experience with love. So ofc that he can't understand everything that Sayu feels about him.


Yes, Sayu did chores until she got a job and a new friend, and?
People that go trough so many problems and so much stress, feel relieved when they take a pause from that toxic environment. Hence why Sayu left home and school. To run away from her problems.

Her being at home and doing chores, cooking for someone who cares and helps her, washing for someone who gave her a place to stay, cleaning for someone who comes late after working his ass off, the whole day. This is a nice break and at the same time a nice feeling/experience for Sayu that she probably never had at home. It's exactly what Sayu wanted, to do things for someone who cares about her. She wanted someone to care about her like Yoshida does. And that's why her love of him grows in a way that even she doesn't realise sometimes.

I do not know why you still think that an 16/17 yr old teenager can give better advice than an 28 yr old women, and a 26 yr old man can. Have you seen what teenagers do nowadays? With TikTok and stuff. I'd never take advice from a teen compared to an adult these days, only if I find it reasonable and right. That's kinda why I think that you're young and a little bit naive aswell. Don't get me wrong, if they were some trash people that didn't have jobs or the wisdom to get a place to stay in, I would understand, but this isn't the case. They are adults, with stable jobs and homes, a stable life, and a very good mindset and personalities and are very nice people in general. I can't think of better people to help a naive teenager that lost its way in todays society's expectations. Do you know how many teenagers and adults are out there who would laugh at her stories? You would be surprised that there is even someone who would take this as a joke and not serious. She's really lucky that they crossed paths. Otherwise, she would still be having sex with some douchebag.

Yoshida didn't put anyone in a dangerous situation. Their friends could rat them out at any moment, but they chose not to. That means that they put themselves in those situations. Yoshida didn't want Gotou to meet Sayu, but she wanted to anyway, she knew that his story didn't add up and she still wanted to check, how did Yoshida make her do any of this ? He thought that she didn't care much about him no long ago because that's literally the vibe she was giving. Mishima wouldn't get in trouble, since she didn't do much anyway.

Sayu doesn't freak out when Yoshida meets people. She freaks out when she hears that he's out with some girl. Because she loves Yoshida. Her reactions are to be expected, but a little exaggerated with the spy stuff...But it's understandable if she doesn't want to lose him. But then she talks about leaving and stuff because she thinks that she's bothering him. You see now why I say that she's naive and young? She can't decide what's right even when she knows that staying there is better than on the streets.


And now, on a serious note. My guy Yoshida gave Sayu all the help she needed, along with his friends. Why would he bother himself to also solve the problems she's creating right now by her trying to seduce him? Let's be real here, the girl should understand that he took her only to save her from that toxic lifestyle and give insight on what should be done next. Not to make her his bride. Sayu is a handfull. But Yoshida and her aswell, are trying their best. Yoshida tries to help her in a way that he doesn't break/cross any boundaries. I said this already, Yeah it's illegal what he is doing, but not immorall. It depends where you put more value in. Your life? Or saving someone else's life and also trying not to cause anything problematic in your life, even though it's risky as hell.

And final note, If someone cried like Sayu cried and acted like she did in all of those episodes, I would 100% believe that what they've been trough and their stories are real. I'm pretty sure that Yoshida knows that Sayu said the truth. It's not everyday that you meet a teenager late at night on the streets asking you to let them in your apartment in exchange for sex.

Gab5 said:

She's 17, she shouldn't be staying in someone else's house like a housewife. She knows he is nice and it is better than what she has experienced up to now. But, as she has been told, she will only be a high school girl once and she should be living her life like a high school girl, not cleaning a salaryman's clothes and cooking him dinner. Of course she prefers life with him, because she doesn't know any better. That is sad.

Chiibi said:


Well, I do think the show is WELL aware of that...which is why the author wrote Gotou's scene the way they did and why Sayu thanked her for telling her to face reality.

I would say Sayu prefers life with Yoshida because she feels more comfortable there compared to her home (we don't know the reasons yet) but even with Yoshida, the past isn't erased. She's still haunted by it and she knows she has to go back.

She has every intention of going back. She just needed to get away for a little while because it was ruining her mental health (I guess)

Morsse said:

Look, you are overthinking things way too much.

The fact that Sayu stays now in Yoshidas flat isn't as bad as you say it is. She does chores, which not many people do, for example Yoshida, but since she's a girl she maybe cares more about hygiene? idk. She also goes to a job and has a friend. I think that we can all agree that those are things that she would do at home aswell. We also can not forget the fact that Sayu is slowly reentering society and it's expectations. She starts with small steps, the tips that Yoshida gave her. Having a job and doing chores is the exact same thing a teenager would have to do at home if they don't want to finish school. You can't just sit on your phone/pc and be a nobody. In our case though, Sayu really wants to confront her past and problems and return to her home and to school. Which is nice. Not all people have the strength to do so.

You seem to associate a lot of harmless things that can get solved easily with a serious talk or just some advice, to a potentially very harmfull situation. I don't get why. Everyone in the anime is mature enough to understand things if explained or if they're shown that they are wrong. No one is going to kill themselves for anything here.


She is 17, yes, but she isn't the housewife of anyone. The poor girl wanted a place to stay in to just run away from her toxic life at school and family. She does chores, etc, because that's her payment for staying in someone's house for free. Would you like it better if they had sex instead? Mhm, I didn't think so. She isn't meant to stay there forever. Both Yoshida and Gotou want Sayu to be able to function in society and be ready for what may come. The problem with teens like these that run from home and especially do ultra dumb things like sleeping with strangers for staying in their apartment rent free, are probably going to do it again if not helped until a certain point. Yoshida and everyone else, me included, are afraid that if Sayu leaves without enough things learned and a pause from her past life, she would probably get to her old toxic way of living, which doesn't sit well with any of us. Just leave the girl in Yoshida's hands for a while, he's a nice guy, intelligent and can definetly be her guardian.

Her freaking out and so on, is indeed a potential problem, I agree, judging by her history with running away from problems, it can get bad. But I don't think that such things would happen again, not only do I think that Yoshida wouldn't put Sayu in a situation like that where she gets sad because he gets a new girlfriend, but the fact that they already talked about it and from my point of view, it was kinda helpfull. I can't see the future so I can't be 100% sure.


I don't care that Asami knew about her smile being fake, or that Gotou told him that she can't stay there forever, I don't understand how you didn't realise that Yoshida recognized her fake smile from the beggining of the anime, he even got mad at her and told her to stop faking her smile. What Asami said was already old news for Yoshida, same goes with Gotou. He knows about Sayu way more than Asami and Gotou do and way better I would say.
The poor guy knows all these things, it's just that some people think it's better to remind others sometimes about certain things, that doesn't mean that they don't know them already, it just means that there are people that forget about their morals and do stupid things.. In our case though, Yoshida is not one to do such things.

I stand by my point and choose Yoshida any day over Asami or any other human being. Also, I don't think that being a store clerk is a "role model" in todays society, excuse me if someone is a clerk somewhere, but I think that they can agree aswell, it's not meant to say that store clerks are bad, it's just not a job you would think as a "role model" in life. Like I said, she also knows the guy that made Sayu feel horrible, I wouldn't trust her with my life.
Meanwhile our protagonist has a stable job with a cheap apartment even though he can buy himself better things and a better house, he chose to spare some money for something better, we know that he is a nice guy in general, intelligent and hard working. Now, this is what I would call a "role model". Asami wouldn't even have the money to buy Sayu a phone, which is crucial nowadays, she is also a teen, she has to take care of herself first, and then to take care of Sayu aswell? What if Sayu is getting raped and she calls Asami to come fast? If she goes there, she would get raped aswell. You can call the police but if they don't know where she is, or arrive too late, it's bad. I don't think that this could go right in any shape or form. But it's not my job to change your view so it's okay if you think otherwise.

So judging by what you said in your story, if the girl stayed with you and your girlfriend for a while, rather than with her parents, she wouldn't have to make an abortion, right? Then why are you so pissed at the fact that she stays with a nice guy that wouldn't let something like that happen? She is in good hands and I think that she isn't overextending her stay. She needs this whole time to recover from what she had to put up with in the past. It's just simple psychology, some people need more time, some don't, it depends, in our case Sayu saw some f-ed up shit and did something even worse not long ago before she met Yoshida, I won't give any spoilers though so dw, I don't know the whole story anyway, just some things.


You will hate the guy in the last scene though, that's for sure, and you will like Yoshida, probably, idk. I also want to see how their relationship and her mental health develops in the next episodes.

Morsse said:

Yup, it really makes you think what everyone's goals are or what they really want from their decisions. I'm pretty sure that Yoshida caught on 90% of her fake smiles, but anyway, one of the big disadvantages that Sayu had because of her past actions is going to return to her pretty soon...

Handing her to authorities is probably not the best thing to do, but is the most legal way of handling the situation.. but like I said, it depends on the people, and where they want to put their values on. Not only Yoshida and Sayu don't seem to mind the legal risks right now but the others aswell, Asami included.

I mean, even if the girl did that when she was in your house or your protection, then it would still be the girls's fault. Like I said, if Sayu just thinks to run away or spy on Yoshida, that is outside of his powers, all he can do is lock her in but that's just rude at the end of the day. And neither Asami or Gotou could do anything about it either if she was in their house, because no one expects her to do something like this. That's why Sayu has to realise some things herself and Yoshida can't really explain everything to her, she's not dumb afterall, just very naive.

I think that Yoshida does a good job in both practical and mental ways, but if Asami went trough something similar, than of course, some insight from her would be helpfull for Sayu, but I think that Sayu knows that what she did is bad, and she regrets it. Regardless of what Asami may say, with the help that she's gotten until now, Sayu already knows what to do from now on.

You will not find the guy interesting or reasonable at all. It'll make your blood boil if you're like me and you hate stuff like that. But we have yet to see how they adapt that part.