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Jan 10, 2021 4:40 PM
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Fay D Flourite, is overrated. His angsty, over-the-top past ultimately is in my opinion the worst background story in TRC, and that wrecked his character for me. It is not grounded, the lack of build-up was disappointing, in comparison to Kurogane's background which mastered the build up to his parents’ deaths. At least his parents had character in comparison to the real Fay. Fay's past revealed that CLAMP uses this man, as their angst punching bag. Because Fay's past is all angst, on top of angst, on top of angst, that is why to me it seems less "human" or "real" or "balanced", for starters it sure is relatable knowing that your father figure is a mass murderer and nothing about Fai's past is relatable in the slightest. His past is not balanced and not grounded unlike Kurogane's or even Syaoran's past, and I find that an issue. If you want to handle Fay's serious mental health issues, you make his past balanced, grounded and real, I unfortunately could not connect with Fay in the slightest due to how over the top his past is ultimately resulting in it being less impacting especially for a mysterious character. That is why Celes and Clow (for different reasons) are my least favourite arcs. In my opinion Infinity, Nihon and Tokyo are the better arcs. Kurogane is honestly so admirable in the Celes arc and he makes it worth reading. Kurogane's past is the perfect balance between angst and fluff, whilst also being straightforward and easy to understand and as such making it have a greater impact whilst revealing a lot about Kurogane's character and obsession with strength. Kurogane's past also has better pacing, execution, and presentation, and it did not need to be told in two volumes unlike Fai and Syaoran. Mysterious characters pasts must surpass expectations, however since his past failed to do so making it much less impacting, overall making Fay an over-the-top character who failed to meet expectations further lessening his impactful development. You may ask what the issue with Fay’s development is, well for starters it lacks closure this is very evident in Nihon as after Kurogane does his "I don't know if I learnt true strength" speech, Fay just punches him, and all the sudden he is happy, with no background information whatsoever regarding his change in personality. How did he change and have this realisation I honestly don't know? Kurogane acknowledges that his perspective on strength changed, he gained strength by losing strength, his character development works because it is subtle and feels natural, unlike Fai's. Whose lack of closure feels abrupt and makes his development appear meaning less, as he does not acknowledge his change of perspective regarding life. He suddenly changed; we don't get his speech like Kurogane. Where is Fai's healing process? Overall Kurogane's impact on Fai is amazing, but Fay impacted Kurogane not to the same extent. Kurogane managed to change himself and others and that is admirable. By the way we are told that Fai is a top magician, but we are not shown that. If you like "happy go lucky" charming liars that appeal to the mass audience by being handsome and fake, having an over-the-top, angst fest of a past and having self-worth issues by having a façade well good on you. I for starters like honest, flawed, real, complex, balanced, straightforward, grounded, relatable, consistent, confident, perceptive, impactful, and understanding people or characters who share the same perspective regarding self-worth, that manage to influence others and change themselves. Fay is overrated, while Syaoran, Sakura, Mokona and especially Kurogane are underappreciated even if he is a better written character (and better looking) than Fai. People sing praises to this character while ultimately ignoring everyone else, even though they are just as complex and better executed as characters. After the Celes arc, there is zero acknowledgement of Fai's past and trauma, because everything is all good and jolly, he is automatically healed! His story of healing healed everyone but me. Did Fai ever talk to Sakura after he literally murdered her? No, of course not! Fay is a complex character with great potential, but his character needed a better execution. Overall, nothing about Fai feels real because he is all fake.
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Jan 12, 2021 4:18 PM
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You know what I agree with you.
Let's first examine how comically and stupidly over-the top Fai's tragic past is.
.twins are believed to be cursed
.mom commits suicide, parents are dead
.locked in a non-magical tower. One twin is in the bottom layer and the other is in the top
.they spend a long time in the tower as time slows down - starvation, left to die
.a bunch of corpses are buried with Yuui. Yuui tries to climb them
.King goes mad and kills everyone - blames it on the twins, they get blamed for everything
.he kills himself in front of Yuui
.Fay and Yuui want to die thinking that it is a sin being alive
.Fei Wang Reed interferes and gives Fay a choice to save himself or Yuui, he says Yuui then Fay dies
.Fei Wang Reed tells Yuui that he must work for him to bring Fay back to life. Also manipulates Yuui's memory thinking that he killed Fay.
.the witches pawn Kurogane is his enemy
.Fei Wang Reed places two curses on Yuui. The first curse is that he has to kill anyone with greater magical power
. The world of Valeria is gone (I think)
.Ashura helps him and they then leave Valeria and enter Celes
. Ashura then begins to kill everyone similar to the dead King of Valeria
.Yuui takes his brothers name because he thinks that he is the cause of his death and thinks it is his fault for Ashura's downfall
.Ashura kills to be stronger for Yuui to kill him
.Yuui can't do it.
Later on Kurogane points out a plot hole in Yuui's past. Yuui had such an emotionally manipulative past which appeals to the reader and sorta manipulates the audience too. People have this mindset that the more tragic and angsty the character is, results in the character being better written even though that is entirely false. His past being too much and going overboard with the drama ultimately negated or removed any form of emotional impact. This is disappointing to me, because I know CLAMP can write better written pasts (ahem* Kurogane *ahem). The reason why Kurogane's past works is because it is a slow descent of happiness into sadness, unlike Fai's past which is non-stop sadness, that is the reason why his past is much more impacting.
Dream-of-FlightJan 13, 2021 7:43 PM
Jan 12, 2021 4:22 PM
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The issue is that Fai's past is so badly written, that whenever a Tragic Twist (which is the majority of his past) it happens within a short amount of time, it diminishes all forms of emotional investment and impact because of the lack of build up. Sometimes straightforward is better than convoluted, as evident by Fai's past. I honestly can not believe that people actually cried when reading this. Everything that happens to Fai in his past and in the actual manga's plot, reveals that CLAMP do not know how to use tragedy sparingly. It overall becomes too much and one can say that it is a bit ridiculous. Fai is a perfect example of how too much tragedy and angst can ultimately lose all meaning and impact for a character. It sorta becomes expectant that something bad will happen to him again. Fai suffering over and over again sorta becomes too much, and sorta becomes a bit stupid. Overall the Celes arc is overrated, I am so thankful that the Nihon arc got animated instead. Please animate the Infinity arc by the way.
Dream-of-FlightJan 13, 2021 4:47 AM
Jan 12, 2021 4:29 PM
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4/5 of the Celes arc sucks due to Fai's past. 1/5 of it is good because of Kurogane and Fai brawling and it portrays how close the group is to one another by defending each other, Kurogane's sacrifice and prior injury (Fay's reaction to it) and him telling Fay to move on by focusing on the present paralleling what Tomoyo told him after his parents died and pointing out his pasts plot hole. Also I loved the fight with Ashura. I love everything about the Celes arc, except for Fai's past. Fay's angst fest of a past ultimately overshadows the other characters pasts by being so ridiculously over the top, even though it is badly written. Syaoran's past is also badly written but it really doesn't matter right now. Fay's character being a living sympathy card from suffering during the Tokyo, Infinity and Celes arc, also overshadows the other characters by being a living tropes and cliches. This unfortunately appeals to the mass audience, and Fai's character can get on my nerves due to how thankless he is even though Kurogane sacrificed so much for him. He realizes that his life is worth living after a man LITERALLY CHOPS OFF HIS OWN ARM. However, I am going to give Fai some credit for being much more complex than C!Syaoran, C!Sakura and R!Syaoran, unfortunately I do think that Fai does get undeserved hype, love and favouritism. To sum it all up I really dislike Fai's past due to the fact that it is entirely based on circumstance (born as twins =cursed), lack of foreshadowing (twins + real name), over-the-top past and lack of realism and a bit too much angst makes it hard for the audience to connect with Fai. Fai's not 100% fully developed as a character and he mostly develops towards the end of the series sorta abrupt, we do not see his healing process, inconsistent as a character. I also don't like that he never actually did anything wrong, like he never betrayed the group it was his intention to but he was never committed to it. Unlike, Kurogane who actually murdered people and Syaoran who literally altered time and wrecked Fai's and Kurogane's pasts. I found the portrayal and execution of Fai's past also a bit confusing. Celes and Fai for me are a bit too much and over-the-top.
Dream-of-FlightJan 15, 2021 2:11 AM

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