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No, he wasn't. I can understand your confusion because of the weird subs, but what Mion meant was that Rika and Satoko was stabbed/killed with the same knife, it doesn't have anything to do with what happened to K1. |
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jTiKey said: kofmaster said: Both Umineko and Higurashi uses that resource. Higurashi use the I'm at least 80% convinced that the uncle was never there. You can say that about the first arc where Keiichi is unreliable but not for the other arcs. It's very lazy writing to justify every plot hole with "You cannot trust what you see" The first arc develops the concept of hallucination as something you need to focus during the rest of the show, it wasn't just a "lol random moment from the first arc". Basically, you can't fully trust on what's happening when the red filter appears. For example, you never heard the uncle pre-red filter. you don't know if that really happened, it's even more, if you watched the old show you will have some theories, for example: |
kofmasterDec 25, 2020 6:31 AM
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Tsukumo_Yuuma said: We got 2 pictures from Nekodamashi today, from a Higu livestream   Seems like it'll probably focus on Rika (or maybe it's just a small scene like episode 2) Oh man, finally we are getting this back again. I'm hyped! |
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| Best arc for me yet, it was really good, the build up really paid off and I honestly believed that they would get the happy ending for a moment. |
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| Damn this was utter shit. Not because everyone died at the end but because it happens completely off screen with no explanation or lead up to it. Everyone is just suddenly dead and we're supposed to care? This is like 14 y/o trying to write a novel "And then everyone died. The end." I can't believe they wasted 5 episodes to leave us with this trash. |
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| The way this ended is really unusual. I’ve never expected L5 Oishi. And he most likely let Teppei go out of prison. It’s very interesting that we didn’t even see CWS guy and Oishi coming to Satoko’s house for the rescue, like it was shown in Minagoroshi. Also, Satoko not going to Irie’s clinic is probably some hint and will be important in the answer arc. Interesting that the next chapter is called Nekodamashi, considering that Nekogoroshi was just a one episode short story in the original. |
Inanna_201Dec 25, 2020 7:53 AM
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| It was a really disappointing arc, both on it's own and especially when comparing to the original. Almost all the tension and drama was massively toned down in comparison. Only this last episode had some moments. They also didn't set up Ooishi properly to be the main villain this arc. We didn't see anyone scratching their throat either. The bat scene being Satoko's delusions I can accept, since it's nothing outside of the ordinary. Just hearing a summary of what happened from Rena in the end was BS. Lots to dislike unfortunately. |
| This episode's outcome was predictable yet overwhelmingly confusing. Predictable: Of course a narcissistic abuser would return to take revenge. The fact that no one is staking out the house or having her under protective custody is suspending my belief beyond the reaches of breathability. Confusing: Oishi had no incentive to shoot anyone and the notion seems to be shoehorned into the plot to force a 'bad end'. It really is lazy writing to congeal the Uncle and Oishi as having the same personality when it comes to being trodden on. They simply don't have the same personality. This arc was horrible in the first serialization as well. Knocked down to a seven for me. |
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| I thought I was too old to scream at my monitor nowadays but here we are, having Ooishi go on a rampage. We didn't even get to see it and it was still more than enough. What the hell... |
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Jin_uzuki said: Kakeras said: Truly losing it about this one, lads. Can't disagree more with the "oh this arc was boring" lamentations though, I feel the same way about people who said that of Minagoroshi. I don't mean to sound pretentious, but I think if that's your viewpoint you don't really like what Higurashi is actually about, just the shock value of it all. Higurashi as a story has fundamentally always been about the exact types of themes Minagoroshi dwells on. If the CWS stuff comes across as boring or uneventful to you, that's your taste and that's fine, but that's Higurashi. To expect it to have less of that heart is to expect it to be a completely different story. At which point you might as well just watch something else. This isn't Minagoroshi. Minagoroshi was the 7th episode of the novel, it was the episode told from on the most interesting point of views, that revealed many things about the true nature of the story and it was the episode where all the previous episodes set-ups, plot points and characterization elements all came together. This is a pseudo sequel set-up arc where 90% of the scenes are the same and the story is Minagoroshi on speedrun but without all the interesting stuff and pay offs from all the set-ups (Why would anyone give a shit about Shion's reactions for example without Maekashi?) and Passione's weak direction and atmosphere. You can't just copy-paste Minagoroshi's script in a sequel and expect people to find it interesting. That's not what I'm talking about. The adaptation quality of this arc is its own thing, I'm just referring to the general sentiment surrounding Minagoroshi which is re-emerging in discussion because of this arc. Because there's a general attitude of the CWS stuff and Satoko's abuse being "boring filler" which I think is just nonsense. |
skipped said: Damn this was utter shit. Not because everyone died at the end but because it happens completely off screen with no explanation or lead up to it. Everyone is just suddenly dead and we're supposed to care? This is like 14 y/o trying to write a novel "And then everyone died. The end." I can't believe they wasted 5 episodes to leave us with this trash. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
| Well.... I dont know if this was the real last episode of this arc in this version... But we clearly had the WORST episode when this Arc began... BUT at least this episode, was the best one in the arc... Maybe, just maybe... the 2nd part will be indeed Better or at least decent. |
SweetieSquad said: This episode's outcome was predictable yet overwhelmingly confusing. Predictable: Of course a narcissistic abuser would return to take revenge. The fact that no one is staking out the house or having her under protective custody is suspending my belief beyond the reaches of breathability. How was it predictable that he would return (if he actually returned) he was with police how would he escape? |
Tsukumo_YuumaDec 25, 2020 1:06 PM
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| Oof, I'm actually not happy with this ending at all :/ I liked the plot, don't get me wrong - Teppei returning and attacking Keiichi was unexpected, the scenes with Satoko were really cute (especially cause she wanted to give Keiichi Satoshi's bat) and these two things get me all execited to theorize again: ovy7 said: After reading other's comments and thinking about it, I think that Keiichi got his on his head by one of Satoko's traps that went wrong. The entire fight with Teppei was an hallucination, but not from K1, but from Satoko. forexjammer said: From Satoko shower scene we can see that Satoko was never abused, her body was clean. the previous episodes where she barfed in school confirm that her uncle was right, Satoko was sick and she uses that opportunity to make it seem like she's abused Teppei (her uncle) is innocent. Satoko was trying to frame him the whole time. Keichi never met Teppei at the end of the episode, that was Satoko traps hitting his head and hallucinating. The part where Ooishi killed club members is probably bullshit too. Remember when Ooishi said "Maebara Keichi genuinely believes he's doing to right thing" That should be a hint. But I hated the execution. The Teppei scene is only okay if the theory in quote 1 is true, but if it isn't it was so exaggerated and silly. I kinda get why we didn't see Ooishi shooting the girls (cause that might not be what actually happened), but at least show us their dead bodies. This sounds super weird, but how is anyone supposed to feel anything if everyone always dies off screen and the only kills we get to see are the overly dramatic blood-splattering-everywhere ones (which just don't look good in this new art style)? :/ I still like Gou a lot, cause Higurashi isn't all about the gore, but this was honestly underwhelming. I think this was my least favorite arc so far (only in execution, not in plot tho!). |
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| At least I get to see Teppei died, so that's a plus no matter if it's fake or not. I admit that the Minagoroshi moments are pretty boring by how long they are, but this is another solid arc. Can't wait for the next one. But Nekodamashi? Are we talking about the OVA or what lol |
| Oof, I'm late to the party I see. The streaming site I used, for some reason, uploaded Portuguese subs instead of English subs lol, so I waited to see if it was going to get fixed, but apparently the Portuguese subs are still there, so I used a different streaming site instead. This was a pretty meh finish to the arc. I feel like the "character left behind to tell Keiichi" at the end of each arc feels really lazy instead of showing the incident but whatever. I also don't like how they finish each arc in that they abruptly cut to the end of the episode after the "truth bomb". It's hard to make many theories with very little new substance. Hopefully the Nekodamashi-hen can provide more clues. After all, no matter how subtle the clues are, the mystery is able to be solved after the first four arcs. |
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| Rena's pretty suspicious to me right now. How the heck was she able to survive when everyone else shot dead? |
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ArcueidBestGirl said: Oof, I'm late to the party I see. The streaming site I used, for some reason, uploaded Portuguese subs instead of English subs lol, so I waited to see if it was going to get fixed, but apparently the Portuguese subs are still there, so I used a different streaming site instead. This was a pretty meh finish to the arc. I feel like the "character left behind to tell Keiichi" at the end of each arc feels really lazy instead of showing the incident but whatever. I also don't like how they finish each arc in that they abruptly cut to the end of the episode after the "truth bomb". It's hard to make many theories with very little new substance. Hopefully the Nekodamashi-hen can provide more clues. After all, no matter how subtle the clues are, the mystery is able to be solved after the first four arcs. I have the theory that |
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| Why did it look like Satoko was about to confess to Keiichi? Well, that conclusion sure was uncalled for. "Oh! We forgot these arcs need to end in tragedy so the timeline can reset. Only four minutes left? Meh, let's have Ooishi going nuts and kill everyone." Seriously, what a forced and disappointing way to conclude an overall solid arc. Would have definitely preferred the "Satoko was already dead because the Child Welfare Center took too long in visiting her" route. And so this arc comes to its end. That's it for the manliest version of Keiichi I have seen. I'm so gonna miss him. Especially if he returns to be an idiot in the next arc. Kougeru said: Wait.. Those images in the credits...That bastard raped Satoko?! Seems like it but I was told he only hit her. I was also told he would have raped her if she were older tho. |
| what the fuck. anyways rena was kinda self aware there. she said "we worked so hard for the perfect ending" fuck just like that another arc begins. i'm starting to understand the hype for higurashi. |
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| i'd like to point out some sus shit 1. satoko's body was shown with no marks of abuse. maybe it healed?? 2. rena is still alive. how did she survive when everyone else died? 3. how did satoko's uncle get out in the first place? 4. why is oishi's partner alive? shouldn't he be caught up in something? 5. how did satoko die? mannnn the mystery is killing me |
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dompsterfire said: i'd like to point out some sus shit 1. satoko's body was shown with no marks of abuse. maybe it healed?? 2. rena is still alive. how did she survive when everyone else died? 3. how did satoko's uncle get out in the first place? 4. why is oishi's partner alive? shouldn't he be caught up in something? 5. how did satoko die? mannnn the mystery is killing me |
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| Oryo goes to see the mayor asking for help... I like that... Things going well, Uncle Teppei was arrested and Satoko-chan was saved... Happy time on Watanagashi Festival 😊 And then Satoko-chan wanted to called Keiichi, her Nii~Nii... that's wholesome Then Satoko asked Keiichi come to her house... And shit happened, What The Fuckkk 😱 Uncle Teppei back and smashed Keiichi head with Baseball bat... Keiichi fight back and smashed Teppei Head Multiple Times.... Holy Shit Blood Everywhere... The Next day, Rena comes and tell Keiichi, the others was Killed by Oiishi? WTF is going on??? Yeahh Rena, it doesn't make any sense! ( How the fuck you the only one has survived???) This is sus... This outcome is so different from the original, i have no idea what's coming next.... Next arc Nekodamashi-hen??? Isn't that similar to the one episode OVA Nekogoroshi-hen (pretty sure that one OVA didn't really impact the storyline) |
davidyodo24Dec 26, 2020 7:31 AM
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imSOunique said: 5. I have no idea, she was with Keiichi, how did she end up at the festival (and got shot) at the same time? I don't know why so many people find this confusing. She ran away when the fight ended at her house. While it's questionable that she didn't just call the police, *literally everyone in town is at the festival* so it's not unbelievable that she went back there for help instead. Ooishi shot everyone at the festival. Speculation: If Ooishi is the one that released Teppei, he may have been nearby, watching Satoko's house. If he saw her run back to the festival, he may have just followed her. |
| Lol what the fuck happened at the end XD did Ooishi go into stage 5 or was he threatened by Satoko's uncle or something lol |
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| That's why I love Higurashi. The way shit ends is so fucked up but enjoyable at the same time. The Uncle did deserve to die though. Though Ooishi killing are MCs is super fucked up at the festival. I wonder though was he taken into custody or the police just said fuck it. |
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| WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. OOISHI IN A MURDERING SPREE? :o Dude, now i don't know wth is going to happen next, it's just unpredictable at this moment, at least its not like the original events, so the hype is even bigger now!! Aaaand, fucking Keiichi man, the batting scene was so satisfying to watch, i wasnt expecting Teppei to be in there, but Keiichi got pissed and fucking revenged on the dude and killed him right there, NICE MY DUDE! But now what intrigues me the most was the ending like i mentioned... Ooishi on a killing spree, and killed all the main characters, what the hell is this story now xD Bring on the next arc! |
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| Not gonna lie, ending of this arc was rushed af they should've give it at least another minute for explaining what happened that night other than that this arc was pretty solid |
| And the last episode of this chapter continues the trend, downwards. Nice that the arc was just a worse remake of the original, ending with even worse and absurd last 5 minutes. I never thought that the Original had waste of time arcs, but this fits in perfectly. Also interestingly, I find it a bit funny how so many people are blindly believing that Ooishi actually shot everyone. Yes it might have happened, but the fact that it wasn't shown proves out that there's definitely more to it. Don't believe what you see, and believe less what you hear. For now it seems like Satoko and Rena are duoing K1 & Rika. jTiKey said: Christ no.AHAHAHA the fuck This was the most absurd ending yet. Keichi killed the uncle after being hit with a bat to the head? Was the original this bad too? Each arc just tops the previous one with the awfulness. Whatever people think of the graphics of Deen, atleast it was executed and written better, by a lot. forexjammer said: I didn't even consider this but my god.From Satoko shower scene we can see that Satoko was never abused, her body was clean. the previous episodes where she barfed in school confirm that her uncle was right, Satoko was sick and she uses that opportunity to make it seem like she's abused Teppei (her uncle) is innocent. Satoko was trying to frame him the whole time. Keichi never met Teppei at the end of the episode, that was Satoko traps hitting his head and hallucinating. The part where Ooishi killed club members is probably bullshit too. Remember when Ooishi said "Maebara Keichi genuinely believes he's doing to right thing" That should be a hint. I'm not sure if I 100% agree that this is the case, but this actually makes the most sense. Also Teppei actually not abusing Satoko would utilize the "Deceiving" to it's fullest, working to both old and new watchers. |
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| I'm finding the gore scenes more comedic than the comedy scenes at this point. |
fancyjasper said: I'm finding the gore scenes more comedic than the comedy scenes at this point. Bernkastel said "At the first time, I do my best to try again against the inevitable tragedy. In the second time, I become disgusted towards the inevitable tragedy. The third time, disgust is overwhelmed into painfulness. But by the seventh time, this all becomes a farce comedy." And she was right. I think we're long past the farce comedy by now. |
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Hulio said: fancyjasper said: I'm finding the gore scenes more comedic than the comedy scenes at this point. Bernkastel said "At the first time, I do my best to try again against the inevitable tragedy. In the second time, I become disgusted towards the inevitable tragedy. The third time, disgust is overwhelmed into painfulness. But by the seventh time, this all becomes a farce comedy." And she was right. I think we're long past the farce comedy by now. Back in episode 1 when i thought this was just going to be a basic remake, i was really hoping they'd include those poems at the beginning of each new arc. Would've been very nice to see and a genuinely great addition! The thing with this series is i won't be able to tell until the end whether it's being intentionally bad or if it's just plain bad. It feels like a sin for me not to enjoy something Higurashi related. This is coming from someone who loved Kira too lol. Still, it's fun coming up with theories for what's happening, so i'll give it points for that. There's still over 10 episodes left, if it shows me some Umineko characters then it'll have been worth it haha. |
Hulio said: In the other arcs, they at least showed the aftermath of the "crime scene". This time, they didn't even give a hint, no bodies, nothing, sounded just like a hoax coming from Rena, that sucks. Kuma-chan also didn't say anything in the hospital.And the last episode of this chapter continues the trend, downwards. Nice that the arc was just a worse remake of the original, ending with even worse and absurd last 5 minutes. I never thought that the Original had waste of time arcs, but this fits in perfectly. Also interestingly, I find it a bit funny how so many people are blindly believing that Ooishi actually shot everyone. Yes it might have happened, but the fact that it wasn't shown proves out that there's definitely more to it. Don't believe what you see, and believe less what you hear. For now it seems like Satoko and Rena are duoing K1 & Rika. jTiKey said: Christ no.AHAHAHA the fuck This was the most absurd ending yet. Keichi killed the uncle after being hit with a bat to the head? Was the original this bad too? Each arc just tops the previous one with the awfulness. Whatever people think of the graphics of Deen, atleast it was executed and written better, by a lot. forexjammer said: I didn't even consider this but my god.From Satoko shower scene we can see that Satoko was never abused, her body was clean. the previous episodes where she barfed in school confirm that her uncle was right, Satoko was sick and she uses that opportunity to make it seem like she's abused Teppei (her uncle) is innocent. Satoko was trying to frame him the whole time. Keichi never met Teppei at the end of the episode, that was Satoko traps hitting his head and hallucinating. The part where Ooishi killed club members is probably bullshit too. Remember when Ooishi said "Maebara Keichi genuinely believes he's doing to right thing" That should be a hint. I'm not sure if I 100% agree that this is the case, but this actually makes the most sense. Also Teppei actually not abusing Satoko would utilize the "Deceiving" to it's fullest, working to both old and new watchers. I don't bite the idea that he did, but just adding something, remember that Ooishi's behavior in Tatarigoroshi is very weird compared to other arcs, he's a lot more truculent. In the question arcs he believes the Sonozakis killed his friend. He could kill Mion and Shion out of revenge, and that would end the Sonozaki lineage. Again, I don't bite the idea that Ooishi did it. I didn't pay attention to the shower scene, but yes, I really thought before that Satoko was trying to frame him, especially after that mental break scene at school gave a heavy forced feeling. About what happened to Keiichi, Satoko did that before in early SoL Tatarigoroshi. Made Keiichi put his guard down, only to make him fall into a trap. The problem is the trap was too violent, probably involving Satoshi's bat, and tore his head open. That light trigger was screaming "trap" to me lol. I just didn't expect that hallucination coming right after. Again, idc, even if it's an hallucination, seeing Teppei being batted down is satisfying. |
| I have no idea what to think about Satoko. She didn't have any bruises, so it at least doesn't look like she was physically abused. Also, Keiichi never actually witnessed Teppei yelling at her or anything. AND Satoko never actually said to CWS that she was being abused. But if she was faking it (or putting on a scene at the school on purpose), that also seems really weird. I'm not sure what her motivation would be for that, and it would become hard to sympathize with her character if she's trying to trick people into thinking she's suffering abuse... |
| Boi, I sure hope they get story writers who know how to write a good story for the when the answer arcs come... |
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skipped said: I think this episode is shit, because instead of leading into a bad ending, it just pulls an "and then they all died" on us delivered through exposition without actually showing anything. One of my friends who is watching with me says the most annoying part of this show is how we don't actually see anything happen, and at the end of each arc we just get exposition that at least 2 or3 other people died somehow. |
| surprised by the change. It's Teppei with the bat, got first blood on K1.. but K1 went apeshit and turn the tables on him. Some things just don't change. lol the only thing I did not like is... Oishi going rambo was done off-screen. |
| I just think that so far Gou feels like it doesn't know for who it wants to be. The question arcs should set the mystery, the tension/horror, but we got... the most "inoffensive" part of minagoroshi instead? Like who would care for this? New fans would likely not feel any connection to the characters yet and thus they are deprived of the compelling horror of something like tatarigoroshi, while veterans are sitting waiting for something new to happen. And it did happen, mind you, but it happened right at the end of such an uneventful arc... like where's the pace? /rant |
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