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| So Youta has a massive group chat with the friends he made while Hina was him along with his family? The messages and phone calls were heartwarming. I like how Izanami said she loved both him and Hina. To me, it shows that Hina's inclusion in his life and everyone else's changed everyone for the better. I still hope Youta ends up with Izanami and thelove everyone has is platonic to Hina. That insert song still brings on the feels. |
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| I must admit that this was a rather tricky episode to watch, as it did well to play with my emotions. Considering how close he was to Hina before her "operation", Yota is acting rather unwisely in his approaches to what Hina is right now, which does make for some uncomfortable scenes. I do sympathise with Yota, considering the circumstances and, let's be real, most of us on this discussion thread would be walking on thin ice and also be making mistakes if we tried to get Hina's trust in this scenario and someone his age do tend to make really dumb choices with their lack of judgement, but it doesn't change the fact that he got a little too loud and impatient at times. Nevertheless, he did start to learn from those early mistakes, also inspired from the calls he had with Izanami, Ashura and the others, and was able to gain Hina's trust, mostly thanks to the knock-off Dragon Quest game of all things. Big respect for Yota for doing an all-nighter, grinding the character's levels, so that Hina can have an easier time playing the game. However, it looks like his identity has been blown, which is earlier than the allotted time he had left. Only one episode left now and with this development, my hope for a somewhat happy ending looks less likely now. =( |
| I cringed so fu*** hard when Youta keeps scaring Hina... You can't speed run this kind of this you *****! Also, I know this is anime, etc but really nobody checked Youta's background/skills/knowledge when he arrived at the rehab center? Just by the way he behaves the 1st day they should notice that something is off... |
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Chiibi said: Air's protagonist is great; he's playful and fun...but also moody so he makes a face like T_T during shenanigans and he is able to figure things out WAY faster than Youta also he's total EYECANDY He is my favorite Key boy by a long shot. Yukito is SO much cooler than Youta, it's pathetic.  ^Trying to steal Haruko's bike. xD Lol Maeda really likes motorcycles.... I see, looks interesting. I'll watch them soon, Thanks :3 |
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skysurf said: Let's ASSUME for a moment the writer didn't make the MC a retarded teenager with the emotional intelligence of a 5 years old, and that the plan to impersonate a researcher went perfectly well, NOW WHAT? He clearly stated he wanted to take her home, but can he afford the special 24/7 medical care that Hina requires? Can he take care of her personally while earning a living (studying/working in the future)? Will he just burden her mom to take care of Hina while he lives his own life?... ANSWER IS: Clearly he hasn't think this through. It seems like MC is betting on an asspull miracle where Hina magically recovers her mental faculties. I get why people are angry, but I think that's the point. Youta has no idea what he's doing. He's getting scolded and feels like shit. Heck, Shiba might not even have the best intentions. I think this post on Reddit by cerdaco sums it up pretty well:  I don't think you're supposed to side with him. Even if the show paints it as some heroic effort, it is through Youta's perspective, no? skysurf said: dlxuniuniu said: I don't see why Hina should die or anything like that The illness was described as a degenerative disease in previous episodes, which means the symptoms get worse over time and life expectancy is short. On the other hand, she looks in a much better state than what was described (cerebral atrophy and neurogenic muscular atrophy) and can move around and say some words, so I guess we shouldn't take it too literal and anything is possible with sci-fi + miracles... There is a slight possibility they could reveal something next episode, though it would feel rushed to do so. If they don't, then we can chalk her current condition up to the quantum computer somehow "healing" her, even though it doesn't make much sense. -------------------- Thanks to Sou on the Kamisama ni Natta Hi Discord for letting me know, but Jun Maeda deleted his Twitter recently. I honestly feel bad for the guy. In the end, I wish people would just remember that this is simply a TV show. I've seen quite a few comments in English and Japanese berating Jun Maeda as a person for not being able to create a show that they like. We can have our opinions about whether it's good or bad, about whether the characters were written well, but it's just a TV show. : If I imagine myself in his shoes, I don't think I could take much of this either. I spent so much time and energy creating something that I enjoy, but people are very vocal about how what I'm doing is terrible or getting worse and worse, almost personally so. And for some reason, all of the talk always revolves around my name, despite the fact that there's a whole team of people who worked together to produce it. Yeah, I'd shut myself off from the internet too. It's not like Jun Maeda is the only person involved in this show. He's not the main director, and each episode also has its own director, separate from the main director. Why do we only talk about Jun Maeda like he's solely responsible? I get that he probably shouldn't have said how he was trying to make this the saddest show ever. I bet he regrets ever saying that with every episode that comes out. He said it once and everyone jumps at this every single time they find something wrong with the show. He didn't even say it directly. The voice actress for Hina read it from a letter that he sent to the preview interview before the show aired. Reading all of these posts honestly makes me kind of depressed too. |
EpicCh33seDec 21, 2020 2:16 AM
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| Yeah yeah Youta was irritating, but his case is special, he always was like that to Hina, he shouted at her a lot and that way both had fun, but now a part of him just can't accept the fact she is a totally different person now. if we see it that way it's fkng sad. And that woman, I don't even care about her name, she is right about the fact that Hina is better staying at that place for OBVIOUS reasons, but still she is a terrible person, trying to use the poor Hina as a tool to satisfy her need of a child, raising her the way she wasn't able to do with her true daughter, she is not a bad person but looking at Hina that way makes her a total creep. |
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| Its getting kind of weird. Only 1 episode left. Don't know how it will all turn out. I really like the slice of life type starting episodes. |
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BenDTU said: EpicCh33se said: I don't think you're supposed to side with him. Even if the show paints it as some heroic effort, it is through Youta's perspective, no? This is what confuses me the most. Are we supposed to be rooting for Yota at this point? It feels like he's going about this all the worst possible way, but then you get the whole bit with everyone sending him encouraging messages and he powers on. Like it feels like from the show's perspective we're supposed to feel sad that Yota can’t get through to Hina and be on his side for trying to be her hero, but all I can think is that what Yota wants out of the whole thing absolutely isn’t what Hina needs right now, and that he’s being a completely selfish dolt in the whole thing. The scene with the phone makes me pity Youta. He wants to do what is seemingly good for him and everyone else. Everyone loves Hina. It justifies his actions to himself. But we know that he can't treat Hina very well at the moment, and that he doesn't know how to take care of her. Shiba tells him this. This makes me really wish this show was longer. In a normal story structure, this type of ordeal would happen slightly after the halfway point. The main character goofs up and suffers the consequences. But they learn what they did wrong and get up back to some sort of climax. I'm honestly not sure how it's going to be handled in one episode. |
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Oh my god. I treated Youta neutral all the time, but after this episode something broke in me. I understand the pressure of time and everything, but how can you be such an irresponsible brat? |
| I felt very sympathetic for Hina, but man, Yota really pissed me off in this episode. He, for some reason, thinks Hina would be better off with him but never does anything to actually prove so. Instead, he keeps shouting at her repeatedly and makes her scared. Great OST, but a horrible episode. |
| The way Yota keeps mistreating her and yelling alot pisses me off so much, he's too impatient and doesnt think about her feelings, is he really stupid? Well at least he's calming down but damn he pissed me off lmfao |
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| How many damn times is Youta going to yell in Hinas presence or manhandle her? How many times does he have to be told that he can't do that in her presence cos she's scared of men now? I fully understand why he's acting like this, because he's never experienced anything like this before, but it's frustrating. Oh, and of course the female scientist has a tragic backstory to justify her treatment of Hina, and her contempt towards Youta. Until that point, this episode was at least vaguely effective despite Youta's frustrating actions (though, most of those scenes about Hina's daily routine would have been as uncomfortable wherever they were in the show, in the same way that Hina's overall ordeal doesn't need the context to be effective), but that completely ruined and then Youta's continued persistence with the video game just worsened the situation. There's no way this train wreck is satisfactorily resolved in one episode, and I barely care to see how it even is at this point. I'm assuming it will be with Youta "rescuing" Hina from the facility somehow, even though he can't provide for her in any capacity even remotely close to what the facility offers her, especially as her Logos Syndrome is degenerative and will eventually kill her (though, given Hina's apparent, minor recovery this episode, the show seems to have forgotten that important detail anyway). I don't even know what this show is trying to be at this point: what's the purpose of any of this? Where's the thematic grounding that made Angel Beats so effective despite its flawed pacing? Where's the intrigue and suspense that made Charlotte work despite its flaws? Where's even a single well-written character to allow any of this to work even through all the holes in the writing? |
AtavisticDec 21, 2020 6:37 AM
Neaow said: Hrybami said: Well it is what it is I guess...anime had had a huge influence on me...changed me, shaped me, opened my eyes towards reality and much more that I can never be more grateful to anyone or anything else.Thank you. I couldn't stop rolling my eyes reading some people replies here. I feel relieved to know I'm not alone to have a foot in the reality realm. The same thing happened to me. This is funny since it looks like anime is doing the opposite effect on some people. Well I guess having too much realism in an anime makes it harder to handle for some people. |
| Youta's reaction IS realistic for a teenager who's never been around disabled kids...and I can accept that. But after she cries just ONCE from his shouting, he shouldn't have to be reminded to STOP doing it; that's a goldfish memory. xD I don't hate the character or think he's a bad person or anything...but it was a little annoying, that's all. |
ChiibiDec 21, 2020 9:32 AM
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Nefelupitou said: And I thought that Tower of God would be the worst anime in 2020, Jun Maeda doesn't know how to write anymore and it all started with Charlotte. Writing talents and skills are fading His golden times are over now. Of course it can be possible that the anime producer carry also the same blame like the writer because they want to reduce outgoing costs (e.g. make less episodes). But then, he should either stop / disallow the production or wrap up the whole story that could fit into a movie. |
funnyRunny said: Nefelupitou said: And I thought that Tower of God would be the worst anime in 2020, Jun Maeda doesn't know how to write anymore and it all started with Charlotte. Writing talents and skills are fading His golden times are over now. Of course it can be possible that the anime producer carry also the same blame like the writer because they want to reduce outgoing costs (e.g. make less episodes). But then, he should either stop / disallow the production or wrap up the whole story that could fit into a movie. Charlotte was successful in Japan. There is no reason "he should stop" just because some simps on an English forum "didn't like it". And not every artist will produce a masterpiece. My point is, he has the creative freedom to do whatever tf he wants. I bet a lot of you aren't even paying to watch his shows so don't act so damn entitled. |
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| This was briliant, awesome episode, my head hurts @__@ the whole anime has gotten very complex since a few episode I almost collapsed on my keyboard bruuuh. My brain is steamy lmao Youta is a very good psychiatrist, Hina is in good hands, gambatte Youta-kun you're very stylish!!!! :DD this anime is legally a masterpiece |
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Crowterrror said: saxena5355 said: True. Maybe this isn't his saddest show ever, even I feel he did talk big & I believe he's regretting it now. It's also correct we may have our opinions about how the anime is currently going. But just blaming one person for this isn't correct. As EpicCh33se said, he worked on this for like 5 years he loved the most & when people are belittling the show like it's some trash, even I will feel depressed. Jun Maeda before closing his Twitter account said that he did read every single comment every single day. With negativity especially on Twitter, MAL & even Reddit, I can feel his pain. If this anime isn't to your liking, go watch other anime. It's not like this is the only single anime in the world. The anime has its ups & downs, and I do feel it can be better in some areas but I firmly believe this is a good anime. Although, not 100% perfect, but if this show brings a smile to my face while watching, I don't mind the flaws at all. A 7/10 anime for me. Upu are ok in all. The author not have all responsabilites. But one thing that he need to know because of previous animes, its this finals are not so good. Anime for me its so good but for only 12 episodres not, because its go so fast in this last episodes. It's not up to one person to decide how many episodes a show gets. There's a lot of financial and other reasons that we don't know of. Jun Maeda doesn't have every responsibility, but people are sure making him out to have every responsibility. funnyRunny said: Nefelupitou said: And I thought that Tower of God would be the worst anime in 2020, Jun Maeda doesn't know how to write anymore and it all started with Charlotte. Writing talents and skills are fading His golden times are over now. Of course it can be possible that the anime producer carry also the same blame like the writer because they want to reduce outgoing costs (e.g. make less episodes). But then, he should either stop / disallow the production or wrap up the whole story that could fit into a movie. You can't just stop production, especially after funds and time are allocated to different staff and shareholders. Changing the script entirely wouldn't be out of the picture, but one should assume that making a movie is a completely different process than making a TV show. Chiibi said: Charlotte was successful in Japan. There is no reason "he should stop" just because some simps on an English forum "didn't like it". And not every artist will produce a masterpiece. My point is, he has the creative freedom to do whatever tf he wants. I bet a lot of you aren't even paying to watch his shows so don't act so damn entitled. While I agree that he shouldn't stop simply because people tell him to, it's not just English forums. Many Japanese viewers are just as harsh and I've been told that even Chinese viewers are as well. The negativity is universally present. ---------------------- I think this show is a lot more thematically cohesive than Charlotte, though much of that depends on how the final episode plays. I can see this taking a "enjoy things while they last" approach, going off of everything that has happened so far, including Izanami's episode. Korogi tried to delay the inevitable with Hina, but look where that ended up. Ashura learned to move past his leg injury and keeps it from holding him back. Youta, on the other hand, is to fixated on wanting to return to those summer days that he's making a lot of mistakes. The film imagery throughout some of the show falls in line with this, as do many of the song lyrics. If that's the case for the theming, then I hope Hina does not end up going home with Youta. Keeping in mind that it has been years since I've seen and analyzed Charlotte, it's hard for me to remember any overarching themes. The powers were seen as a sort of disease, but what does that ultimately mean? A few users and I initially thought that the powers were some sort of allusion to puberty and the problems that teenagers face, since they disappear in adulthood. But that clashes with the illness view and the fact that Yuu literally "takes away" people's youth in the end. |
EpicCh33seDec 21, 2020 7:09 PM
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EpicCh33se said: While I agree that he shouldn't stop simply because people tell him to, it's not just English forums. Many Japanese viewers are just as harsh and I've been told that even Chinese viewers are as well. The negativity is universally present. Criticism online really doesn't matter at all though as long as blurays sell. That's all there is to it. And I have a hard time believing Japanese viewers are "just as harsh"...do you have links to such sites? If you look up Charlotte on amazon jp, the reviews and ratings are very high. |
ChiibiDec 21, 2020 7:36 PM
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Chiibi said: EpicCh33se said: While I agree that he shouldn't stop simply because people tell him to, it's not just English forums. Many Japanese viewers are just as harsh and I've been told that even Chinese viewers are as well. The negativity is universally present. Criticism online really doesn't matter at all though as long as blurays sell. That's all there is to it. And I have a hard time believing Japanese viewers are "just as harsh"...do you have links to such sites? If you look up Charlotte on amazon jp, the reviews and ratings are very high. If that were true, Jun Maeda would still have his Twitter, assuming that he deleted his Twitter because of the negativity. He's still a person and an artist. He values his work, as should everyone else who worked on this. I've screenshotted a couple posts from 5ch. https://imgur.com/a/Oh1LZ70 1. "Maeda has made many original anime already, but how come there's still no progress?" 2. "The one who should be criticized for this work is Jun Maeda, not PA Works. PA just made it as the shit script says." 3. "It feels like having weak connections from sub-character to character is what Jun Maeda meant by "returning to the origin." With eroge-like layouts and events." 4. "Even though Maeda gets so much criticism like this, he doesn't have intent to kill(?). It's strange. If he was normal, he would act like 青葉." (I'm not sure who 青葉 is) 5. "Unthinkably, the garbage anime was violently born." From: https://rosie.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime/1607225391/ https://rosie.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime/1607340164/l50 https://rosie.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime/1607595349/l50 -------------- I'd say that at least a quarter of posts, maybe half, are negative on 5ch. I don't follow the Japanese viewerbase too much. Of course, that doesn't mean there aren't people who like this show too. In both English and Japanese, there are many people who sing praises, especially if you look on Youtube comments. The people who buy the Charlotte blu-rays to begin with are those that are watching it for the first time or people who enjoyed the TV run. I know that Amazon JP is known to be pretty harsh sometimes. I didn't know any Japanese back when Charlotte aired (my Japanese now is only so-so anyway), so I can't comment on the Japanese viewerbase then. But people are very harsh for Kamisama ni Natta Hi, again, personally so against Jun Maeda. |
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| While I do like the development we got in this episode, I highly doubt we’ll get a satisfying conclusion next episode that resolves all the different plot points. It’s a shame there’s only one episode left, the pacing of this anime was part of the problem. They spent so much time with slice of life episodes, that they had to play catch up during the past few episodes when the actual plot regarding Hina began. The way they paced it, this anime really should’ve been two cours. |
| This is getting really depressing. It's hard to look at Hina at her current condition. Hopefully she liked this video game. Well, one episode to go, we'll see how it ends. But, I don't know if it's too late to save this series.. |
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Chiibi said: funnyRunny said: Writing talents and skills are fading His golden times are over now. Of course it can be possible that the anime producer carry also the same blame like the writer because they want to reduce outgoing costs (e.g. make less episodes). But then, he should either stop / disallow the production or wrap up the whole story that could fit into a movie. Charlotte was successful in Japan. There is no reason "he should stop" just because some simps on an English forum "didn't like it". And not every artist will produce a masterpiece. My point is, he has the creative freedom to do whatever tf he wants. I bet a lot of you aren't even paying to watch his shows so don't act so damn entitled. Before you start to criticize someone's opinion, you should avoid to use bad words. It recudes your quality of commentary. But B2B, ofc he has the freedom to write the story he wants. But this story is lacking on quality. Maybe the story isn't even lacking, but the animes does. And before you set your bet on wrong horse, i watched Clannad, Kanon, Angel Beats, Little Busters and even Charlotte. But in my opinion this anime is the worst of his creations while Clannad it's the best. My problem with the show are the characters. They're so flat that i can't empathize with them, except Izanami. And since i can't empathize them, maybe because they are too stereotype, the whole story lacks on quality. One of the problems, imo, the male MC has no background story like the our "godly little girl" or Izanami. But since he has no background, he feels too flat....just boring. Also he misses some character developement. Maybe it exists a developement, but it's so minor that i don't catching it. Anyway, Mr. Maeda made better stories and this one is the worst of his stories. The description sounded really promising, but turned out to be an average TV-show with flat characters and non-developing environments. |
| Absolutely Incredible Episode... The depression everytime we saw Hina-chan, but Youta keep trying and never give up... Everyone give support to Youta was Heartwarming... I know Youta passion in that game but why keep yelling on Hina... That's so frustrated to watch... Maybe i can understand a little bit, when you are frustrated you did stupid move... Damn Juna Maeda-san, you really make us suffering with Youta... That scene where Hina throw away Youta Drawing was funny... (Yeahh that's what you get from Yelling at her lol) But i love how he turned into Gamer mode grinding the game till morning so Hina-chan cannot be defeated by the enemy and keep continue playing it... Youta got busted, it's funny how long that it took for the girl to figured it out... Next week Finale??? I'm prepare to cry.. please give us a good cry... |
davidyodo24Dec 22, 2020 7:14 AM
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Nefelupitou said: And I thought that Tower of God would be the worst anime in 2020, Jun Maeda doesn't know how to write anymore and it all started with Charlotte. Wait, isn't God of Highschool the worst one? |
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funnyRunny said: [Before you start to criticize someone's opinion, you should avoid to use bad words. It recudes your quality of commentary. Lol what "bad words" did I even use? If you think I used "bad words", you are too sensitive for the internet. But in my opinion this anime is the worst of his creations Look, I'm not disagreeing. I am disappointed in this show too. But that doesn't mean he should stop. He just needs to try harder. Artists failing is good...because that's how we learn from our mistakes. |
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Chiibi said: funnyRunny said: [Before you start to criticize someone's opinion, you should avoid to use bad words. It recudes your quality of commentary. Lol what "bad words" did I even use? If you think I used "bad words", you are too sensitive for the internet. Don't worry, i haven't felt offended. But using words like "simp" (=bad word) or anything else to criticize someonelse opinion, i can't take your statement in full serious with this. Even there are bunch of people who would kick some asses against Maeda, doesn't mean to reduce the quality of the language. That's what i try to say. Chiibi said: But that doesn't mean he should stop. He just needs to try harder. Artists failing is good...because that's how we learn from our mistakes. Maybe i understand you wrong or you understood me wrong. I didn't say, Maeda should stop his writing, but the production of the anime since the anime doesn't feel well developed. In this context he should have stopped. |
funnyRunny said: Chiibi said: Lol what "bad words" did I even use? If you think I used "bad words", you are too sensitive for the internet. Don't worry, i haven't felt offended. But using words like "simp" (=bad word) or anything else to criticize someonelse opinion, i can't take your statement in full serious with this. Even there are bunch of people who would kick some asses against Maeda, doesn't mean to reduce the quality of the language. That's what i try to say. "Simp" actually means "simpleton" before someone decided to randomly change it to some dumb sexual thing. Maybe i understand you wrong or you understood me wrong. I didn't say, Maeda should stop his writing, but the production of the anime since the anime doesn't feel well developed. In this context he should have stopped. You CANNOT "just stop production" on a show...that's not how it works over there. Up through the 90s, anime OVAs were produced until they ran out of budget so lots of stories were unfinished...but that's not the case here. |
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| This is probably the most essential chapter of this entire anime, although chapter 12 will probably come out to give us a heavy blow as expected from the author. I found this chapter more moving than sad, still Hina has trouble responding positively, and Yota is getting into trouble. But the scene where his friends text him is fleeting. Then, it seems that Hina is recovering, although the conclusion of how well it will end will be given by the next chapter. Something that I have understood about this anime from seeing the reviews dedicated to it is that it is not for everyone. Those who enjoyed Clannad and Angel Beats more for their originality in the plot I doubt that they will enjoy this as I did. The problem is not Jun Maeda, but the public that has been following him. |
EyeViewerDec 22, 2020 1:05 PM
| Taking care of children with similar conditions as Hina is a really delicate matter so seeing Youta forcing her to remember him is seriously pissing me off. Until now, he wasn't particularly remarkable as MC but man, overreacting and raising your voice even when you were told not to... what a way to get on my nerves, seriously. Well, that's it. This episode was painful to watch but for all the bad reasons. Everything is being executed in such a forced way in order to move the audience I can't take it anymore. From the female assistant tragically losing a child and finding a replacement (unconsciously or not) in Hina, to the cliché "we love you" message session, to finally Youta playing video games all night "for Hina's sake". Not to mention that I'm absolutely hating how the series is depicting Youta's "mission of rescuing Hina" as something beneficial for her health. Also, the assistant not suspecting of Youta's identity despite his looks and notorious inability to interact with children with special needs is beyond stupidity at this point and please series, tell me MC isn't planning on kidnapping Hina from the health center now that his cover was exposed. Because seriously, that would be the last nail in this series' coffin. |
SouthRzVaDec 22, 2020 8:02 PM
| I hate Youta so damn much. What a selfish, arrogant, agressive douche. |
| Each time I saw Hina in this episode I dropped a tear. Specially when she smiled. Dude, this is hard. z00nex said: Can Youta shut up and let her play the game? In a certain way, talking is necessary to motivate. Of course, not the way he did. |
niko_sbDec 23, 2020 12:40 PM
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niko_sb said: Yes, that’s what I was talking about. He kept shouting at her even though the nurse warned him many times about it.. z00nex said: Can Youta shut up and let her play the game? In a certain way, talking is necessary to motivate. Of course, not the way he did. |
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z00nex said: Yes, that’s what I was talking about. He kept shouting at her even though the nurse warned him many times about it. Yep. It was hard to see Hina crying over his misbehaviors, too. Seemed so truly painful. Congrats to VA for that |
niko_sbDec 23, 2020 1:10 PM
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| Urrr Yota was so annoying... Poor Hina :( |
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